My apologies to IV core members, and all who can file

[bigtime008]

Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:


You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.

Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.

This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!
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[Almond]

You expressed frustration at your situation, and rightfully so, anyone one of us would have felt the same way in your situation. This is so unfair. As far as I'm concerned, you have nothing to apologize for. I hope you get approved soon so you can join the rest of us I485'ers. Good luck to you.

[piperwarrior]

Shows you the general herd mentality on this forum. As long as everyone is thinking the same way, everything is great. If you differ, everyone will call for a ban on you. They are all lemmings. Unfortunately, I had to come to this forum for news. I have never seen such a bunch of dimwitted people in one place...

Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:


You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.

Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.

This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!

[bestia]

Now I'm gonna feel guilty for criticizing bigtime. Can admins un-ban him? Is there any option like that? Well.. yes, bigtime would have to wait until the celebration is over. But banning him is over the top.

[VMH_GC]

Please remove the ban on this guy. I sympathize for your cause. Labor Backlog elimination should be IV's Goal number 1.

[Almond]

Shows you the general herd mentality on this forum. As long as everyone is thinking the same way, everything is great. If you differ, everyone will call for a ban on you. There are lemmings everywhere. Unfortunately, I had to come to this forum for news. I have never seen such a bunch of dimwitted people at one place...


I generally really like this place but for the past week I have had about 5 moments where I've sat at my computer with complete disbelief at seeing people get banned or yelled at in mass just for being pessimistic or for not agreeing with others' opinions. You'd think it'd be due to cursing, or anti immigrant feelings, or constant spamming/waste of posts, etc, but no, all you have to do is disagree with people. Now who's this guy who inspired the flower movement and what was he about?? right.

[waiting4gc]

I think they might not have realized that you are stuck in BEC. Welcome back, I am sure you will be able to file your 485 soon.

Just fyi, there are a lot of people who are also stuck in BEC but I think IV core might object to the attitude that they are cutting in front of you. Please realize that while they will be filing their 485 before you, they will NOT be getting their GCs before you.

Also there are lots of people who due to circumstances have been here since mid nineties but have a priority date of 2006. Do you really think that people like these getting an EAD are cutting the queue?


Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:


You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.

Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.

This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!

[waiting4gc]

If you think there's only dimiwitted folks here, need I remind you that you are posting here too.

Anyways, mistakes are made and can be corrected. Name calling doesn't achieve anything.

Shows you the general herd mentality on this forum. As long as everyone is thinking the same way, everything is great. If you differ, everyone will call for a ban on you. They are all lemmings. Unfortunately, I had to come to this forum for news. I have never seen such a bunch of dimwitted people in one place...

[mbawa2574]

Anyone in this situation would have expressed frusturation. He did this in BEC forum. I don't see a reason to ban him. Please....
Aman/Ashish if you can jump in and unban him.

[asanghi]

I don't why you were banned. However I do know how you feel. I guess that probably should be one of next big item for fights - BEC elimination.

If it is any consolation however, present efforts will help you in the sense, once your labour is approved, you won't have to deal with retrogression

[makemygc]

Shows you the general herd mentality on this forum. As long as everyone is thinking the same way, everything is great. If you differ, everyone will call for a ban on you. They are all lemmings. Unfortunately, I had to come to this forum for news. I have never seen such a bunch of dimwitted people in one place...

None has called a ban for anyone being differ but it's just the way you express your opinions by using the words like "herd mentality", "dimwitted" etc. Not that you have accepted that you are here for news only, I don't think we need people like you.
IV is not a news site. It's a group of people who are fighting for a common cause. One needs to understand the common cause is not just helping July filers or people affected with retrogress but a bigger aim of helping all the legal employment-based immigrants. But one also needs to understand that not all the objective can be accomplished at a time and we need to strike the iron when it's hot and make every opportunity count, be it a BEC, retrogression, July filer or Visa recapturing.

Having said that, I do agree that BEC is one of the issue which should definitely be focussing on next. I'm sure IV members (even if they are not a BEC victim) will support whole heartedly any cause which can bring some relief to BEC victms. What we need is a united front and some unique ideas like flower campaign. Do not forget the flower campaign idea was pursued by one of the IV member who was not part of core.

[boreal]

Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:


You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.

Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.

This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!


Please understand that your older PD is much more important because u would get ur gc that much earlier compared to 2005-07 people. Just because ppl are able to file 485 does not mean that they are going to take a number out of the quota for that year. The numbers are only taken during approval and hence they would all still be stuck in the same queue and you would have gotten an oppurtunity to file and possible get your GC too...take a deep breath, relax and think about this with a cool mind. I definitely do feel bad for you. My labor was stuck in BEC too and i left my company and joined a new one and restarted all over again. Been on H1 for seven years without ever getting any chance to file 485 until now...

[she81]

I am in a silimar situation stuck at PBEC. I haven't posted anything because people are quick to come and bash (as you noted - even if we are just venting frustration - like the rest of everyone a few days back). Yeah, life is unfair but some things further add to it.

P.S. My husband attended the rally in SJ nevertheless (I was out of town.)

Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:


You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.

Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.

This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!

[tcsonly]

Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:


You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.

Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.

This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!


Don't be sorry, but take action. Donate to IV and get your papers ready to file for 485.

-c.

[pns27]

Anyone in this situation would have expressed frusturation. He did this in BEC forum. I don't see a reason to ban him. Please....
Aman/Ashish if you can jump in and unban him.

I second, remove the ban

[gsc999]

Please understand that your older PD is much more important because u would get ur gc that much earlier compared to 2005-07 people. Just because ppl are able to file 485 does not mean that they are going to take a number out of the quota for that year. The numbers are only taken during approval and hence they would all still be stuck in the same queue and you would have gotten an oppurtunity to file and possible get your GC too...take a deep breath, relax and think about this with a cool mind. I definitely do feel bad for you. My labor was stuck in BEC too and i left my company and joined a new one and restarted all over again. Been on H1 for seven years without ever getting any chance to file 485 until now...
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Exactly!

Only if people stop complaining when they see how they don't loose out even if others can "apply" for I-485.

I guess, there is lot of frustration and anger which maybe clouding judgement.

[rustamehind]

I am in a silimar situation stuck at PBEC. I haven't posted anything because people are quick to come and bash (as you noted - even if we are just venting frustration - like the rest of everyone a few days back). Yeah, life is unfair but some things further add to it.

P.S. My husband attended the rally in SJ nevertheless (I was out of town.)

We are ready to help BEC guys in whatever way possible.Don't think you are left alone.

[manderson]

it should help u from getting banned.

on a cheerful note congrats to IV core team and everybody.

[HumHongeKamiyab]

I feel sorry for you. I sincerely request admins to reinstate you here.

Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:


You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.

Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.

This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!

[imneedy]

Everyone should have freedom of speech on a public forum.

Unless there are derogatory remarks directed towards a person or use of offensive language is a no-no, but then what is plain humor and what is offensive?

What is wrong with some one not agreeing to others? Only sheep walk in herds.

Disagreement should never be a reason to ban a person.

Expert from Spiderman -- "With great power come great responsibility!!"

Moderators please use power responsibly.

[yabadaba]

i think this is the same guy who created a huge fuss on july 2nd when we found out that all 485s will be rejected and said that we all deserve it since we did not "remember" people in pbec.

do u want to go thru somthing like that again....by unbanning him?

bestia do not feel sorry for ppl like these...because they kick you when u r happy

[dish]

Now the USCIS had made july bulletin Current again, Everyone with an approved LC can apply. But after Aug 17th The Visa numbers will be unavailable again. USCIS is not going to approve many 485 in this one month period. There may be few lucky ones to get approval between july 17th and aug 17th.

But PD matters when the new fiscal year starts in october. If the dates are retrogressed to 2003 or 2004, USCIS will approve 485 that have PDs before the retogressed dates. Above all Backlog centers are committed to clear their backlogs before sep 30 2007. So there is still hope for those stuck in Backlog Centers that their PD is valuable when retrogression strikes.

Also expect huge delays in getting EADs and APs. IV should urge USCIS to issue interim EADs if EAD is not issued within 90 days.

[sam_i02]

i think this is the same guy who created a huge fuss on july 2nd when we found out that all 485s will be rejected and said that we all deserve it since we did not "remember" people in pbec.

do u want to go thru somthing like that again....by unbanning him?

bestia do not feel sorry for ppl like these...because they kick you when u r happy

hahaha. i also remember one guy telling everyone on this bbs to not file till July 29, so the PDs remain current for August. some one later found out by reading his old posts that he had already filed his 485 :eek:

[test101]

I'm sorry to hear your story. I feel bad for you & i hope a solution comes soon.

[yabadaba]

hahaha. i also remember one guy telling everyone on this bbs to not file till July 29, so the PDs remain current for August. some one later found out by reading his old posts that he had already filed his 485 :eek:
that guy was classic.. with a poll and everything..hahahaha

[makemygc]

that guy was classic.. with a poll and everything..hahahaha

Yeah, that was the case which definitely needs to be put on the top of the Hall of Shame we created. Does anyone remember his/her handle? I'll put him on the top of the list. But I don't think he has courage to show his face again.

[NO_Free_Rider]

You are right, My PD is May 2003 and is still in BEC and the guy with PD May 2007 filed his 485 on June 29th!

[QUOTE=bigtime008]Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:


You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

[bestia]

I got intrigued about bigtime. Looked something up. Here is his post

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=84985#post84985

Note, posted on 06-16-2007.
"How long has your case been pending? My case is pending for only one month, not sure if my lawyer and employer will send email for me."

Which case is pending? LC? PERM? ONE MONTHS? Is this a BEC victim?

[akv123]

Who are you to decide who is needed and who is not needed? Are you sure you do not access other sites for news on immigration; and, IV does not encourage people who come to it for news only?

If answer is yes, please ban my access.

[tinamatthew]

Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:


You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.

Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.

This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!


I admire your courage to stand up and apologise. I wish you all the best, and I hope they lift the ban. You are the type of people we need. Be positive, there is a line for green cards and I didn't know people can jump the line. I need to concurrently file so I can get an EAD. I've been sitting at home for several years as a dependent. And after that I will stand in line with the rest for a green card. All the best and I hope to see you again. Pls don't make this your last posting

[piperwarrior]

Yeah, let's ban everyone. Everyone should rejoice with you, because your body-shop employer won't be able to take advantage of you for much longer...

You should be banned again.

People who feel happy at other people's sorrows don't deserve here. Today in the moment of happiness you only came to spoil the mood and want sympathy from everyone. Your previous posts were VERY offensive. Do not act innocent. I saw them saddistic remarks.

Infact a lot of backlog center people started posting offensive remarks and showed happiness when dates became unavailable. I will never support you guys after what I saw from you as reactions.

[gunabcd]

Please understand that your older PD is much more important because u would get ur gc that much earlier compared to 2005-07 people. Just because ppl are able to file 485 does not mean that they are going to take a number out of the quota for that year. The numbers are only taken during approval and hence they would all still be stuck in the same queue and you would have gotten an oppurtunity to file and possible get your GC too...take a deep breath, relax and think about this with a cool mind. I definitely do feel bad for you. My labor was stuck in BEC too and i left my company and joined a new one and restarted all over again. Been on H1 for seven years without ever getting any chance to file 485 until now...
Most people showing their cool wisdom still not getting the point. A BEC person with Feb 2005 PD may not be able to file for another 2 years while a PD 2007 person will be enjoying EAD during that time. In my dictionary this is injustice. And that's why i was kinda happy when they updated the July bulletin, now I'm not really happy even if my company has already filed my 485/EAD on july 2. I'm still wishing (and i'll be honest) USCIS come up with a reason/regulation/rule that will delay EAD for everyone until BEC people are able to file 485 OR in Oct they retrogress only till March 2005.

P.S. if you are superstitious, you want to know this: most of my relatives/freinds call me "Black Tongue" because usually when i say something unpleasent it happens. e.g. i told my wife last month that i don't believe everyone is able to file 485, something will go wrong and everyone will be disappointed. (when everyone expects something it does not happen- contrarian theory)

[singhsa3]

Welcome back!, your are a part of the team
Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:


You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.

Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.

This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!

[jasmin45]

To apologize, it takes more courage than bashing someone in this forum. But to be honest and speak truth, .. it takes much more than courage than to bluff. I saw some of your post on this forum and you just contradicted them all with this so called “last and final” note.

For now I will vote to remove the ban on your id but its not a bad idea for you to look at yourself and think about what you were doing in this forum for past several days and promise yourself not to repeat the same. Try to be honest about your posts and that would go a long way in this partnership

[piperwarrior]

I hope you understand that Bigtime's post was thickly laced with sarcasm.

I admire your courage to stand up and apologise. I wish you all the best, and I hope they lift the ban. You are the type of people we need. Be positive, there is a line for green cards and I didn't know people can jump the line. I need to concurrently file so I can get an EAD. I've been sitting at home for several years as a dependent. And after that I will stand in line with the rest for a green card. All the best and I hope to see you again. Pls don't make this your last posting

[singhsa3]

Some of the core members are also stuck in BEC. But they still worked selfleshly. And don't preach injustice to me, I came here to study in 1999, got one labor (PD 2002) rejected on technical grounds, went in for other labor PD 2005, so my situation is probably worse than you.

Most people showing their cool wisdom still not getting the point. A BEC person with Feb 2005 PD may not be able to file for another 2 years while a PD 2007 person will be enjoying EAD during that time. In my dictionary this is injustice. And that's why i was kinda happy when they updated the July bulletin, now I'm not really happy even if my company has already filed my 485/EAD on july 2. I'm still wishing (and i'll be honest) USCIS come up with a reason/regulation/rule that will delay EAD for everyone until BEC people are able to file 485 OR in Oct they retrogress only till March 2005.

P.S. if you are superstitious, you want to know this: most of my relatives/freinds call me "Black Tongue" because usually when i say something unpleasent it happens. e.g. i told my wife last month that i don't believe everyone is able to file 485, something will go wrong and everyone will be disappointed. (when everyone expects something it does not happen- contrarian theory)

[gunabcd]

I hope you understand that Bigtime's post was thickly laced with sarcasm.
It was so intelligently written, that many "skilled workers" did not get it.

[gc1024]

Most people showing their cool wisdom still not getting the point. A BEC person with Feb 2005 PD may not be able to file for another 2 years while a PD 2007 person will be enjoying EAD during that time. In my dictionary this is injustice. And that's why i was kinda happy when they updated the July bulletin, now I'm not really happy even if my company has already filed my 485/EAD on july 2. I'm still wishing (and i'll be honest) USCIS come up with a reason/regulation/rule that will delay EAD for everyone until BEC people are able to file 485 OR in Oct they retrogress only till March 2005.

P.S. if you are superstitious, you want to know this: most of my relatives/freinds call me "Black Tongue" because usually when i say something unpleasent it happens. e.g. i told my wife last month that i don't believe everyone is able to file 485, something will go wrong and everyone will be disappointed. (when everyone expects something it does not happen- contrarian theory)

Wow! I know someone just like you. She has been cribbing, crying and cursing because I have a 2005 PD and she has a 2004 PD and we are filing 485 together. The sad part is she is able to file 485 and her jealously is because we are doing it together. She says she should be much ahead of me by now :) :D

[gunabcd]

Some of the core members are also stuck in BEC. But they still worked selfleshly. And don't preach injustice to me, I came here to study in 1999, got one labor (PD 2002) rejected on technical grounds, went in for other labor PD 2005, so my situation is probably worse than you.
Are you the guy who came up with a stupid idea of creating an entire thread for banning people? You probably don't even know the definition of Freedom and Injustice and you say you studied in US (did you pass?). and hey my earlier post was not a response to you.

[piperwarrior]

LOL

It was so intelligently written, that many "skilled workers" did not get it.

[gunabcd]

if i was an EB-3 applicant (thats AFTER EB-2 and AFTER EB-1) i would be careful about who i call stupid and educationally unqualified.....chill big guy....:)
if you read my post carefully (and if you can understand it) u'll notice that i called the "idea" stupid not the person. Filing in EB3 or EB1 does not prove your IQ.

[rdoib]

people with earlier priority dates who are able to file/not file for I-485 at this time wont be effected much with people with recent priority dates who file their AOS remember while getting IN u may multiple doors ..exit is only one and ordered

[ivar]

I am happy for everyone who can file I-485 but its okay if some one who cannot shows frustration. We as a community should understand each other instead of banning.

[singhsa3]

What freedom and justice you are talking about? The folks on this forum are not responsible for you misery. So stop venting you frustation here. Though, I sympathize with you situtation but unfortuantely the whole legal system is unfair.
What we have done here is a good start, soon we will lobby for passing of SKIL bill . And the day is not far when you too will be benefitted by these efforts

Are you the guy who came up with a stupid idea of creating an entire thread for banning people? You probably don't even know the definition of Freedom and Injustice and you say you studied in US (did you pass?). and hey my earlier post was not a response to you.

[shantak]

I'm still wishing (and i'll be honest) USCIS come up with a reason/regulation/rule that will delay EAD for everyone until BEC people are able to file 485 OR in Oct they retrogress only till March 2005

This is not how you should have said, delay EAD for others just because people are struck at BEC. Comeon buddy show some wisdom, you should have said USCIS come out with a plan where as soon as BEC labor is cleared, they accept the applications for 485.

Most people showing their cool wisdom still not getting the point. A BEC person with Feb 2005 PD may not be able to file for another 2 years while a PD 2007 person will be enjoying EAD during that time. In my dictionary this is injustice. And that's why i was kinda happy when they updated the July bulletin, now I'm not really happy even if my company has already filed my 485/EAD on july 2. I'm still wishing (and i'll be honest) USCIS come up with a reason/regulation/rule that will delay EAD for everyone until BEC people are able to file 485 OR in Oct they retrogress only till March 2005.

P.S. if you are superstitious, you want to know this: most of my relatives/freinds call me "Black Tongue" because usually when i say something unpleasent it happens. e.g. i told my wife last month that i don't believe everyone is able to file 485, something will go wrong and everyone will be disappointed. (when everyone expects something it does not happen- contrarian theory)

[eager_immi]

First of let me tell you life is not fair. All BEC people everyone in this forum empathizes with you esp me since my husband is also a victm, even if they say u should have filed in PERM. I know for a lot of folks this was not a choice for you to make sometimes it is the company, lawyer, ur job situation that is the determining factor. So, please hang in there and contribute without bad mouthing IV. Maybe some of you should become a part of the core and fight for ur rights. The reason I say life is not fair bc people like my husband and I we are not in IT or work for IT consulting companies yet this whole backlog is created bc of that particular industry and abuses to the H1B system and we still suffer. Also, what happens when u work for huge companies that usually don't hire h1b but once they made the step they don't want to loose you since you are an investment for them and hence the wait 5 years to file ur GC. Again life is not fair when the business needs you to move to a different position, or downsizes and you have to start from scratch all over again. Both my husband and I are here for 10 years and are on our 8th year of H1 and this is the first time for me to file 485 with 2006 PD and his labor still has to be filed yet again in Perm. My point life is not fair but you cannot blame others. Very few people are lucky and get GC in a year or year half. If you look most people had some struggle some worse than others. Just be grateful that someone is ready to atleast listen to you and help you fight this long battle.

[gunabcd]

What freedom and justice you are talking about? The folks on this forum are not responsible for you misery. So stop venting you frustation here. Though, I sympathize with you situtation but unfortuantely the whole legal system is unfair.
What we have done here is a good start, soon we will lobby for passing of SKIL bill . And the day is not far when you too will be benefitted by these efforts
Please and i'm begging you that please read the entire post and think for a moment before replying. I'm not in BEC, already filed my 485. I'm aware of the IV efforts towards getting relief for BEC people, I never disputed that. My point has been that the system and July bulletin is unfair (at least from one angle) and that calling it unfair/unjust should not upset others. I don't know what words were used by Bigtime and banning him was fair or unfair.

[gunabcd]

I'm still wishing (and i'll be honest) USCIS come up with a reason/regulation/rule that will delay EAD for everyone until BEC people are able to file 485 OR in Oct they retrogress only till March 2005

This is not how you should have said, delay EAD for others just because people are struck at BEC. Comeon buddy show some wisdom, you should have said USCIS come out with a plan where as soon as BEC labor is cleared, they accept the applications for 485.
The reason i said that: the manpower/funds that will be spent on the 1M+ EADs can be made available to BECs (if possible) and get the BEC job done quicker. EADs will be delayed only by a few months. Also don't forget the "OR..." part dude.

[singhsa3]

If you find /or suspect one, do not forget to post abt them here
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10273

I am aganist amnesty to these illegal posters who post offensive messages.

We are here legally. We follow all the rules, contribute. :)

[gunabcd]

I am aganist amnesty to these illegal posters who post offensive messages.

We are here legally. We follow all the rules, contribute. :)
With you buddy, if they are getting benefit that easily or they getting in our way. i have no problem if illegals get GC if they pay back-taxes equal to the average amount paid by legals + fine for breaking law and stand in the line behind us.

[singhsa3]

I think, he mentioned about posting offensive messages by these people
With you buddy, if they are getting benefit that easily or they getting in our way. i have no problem if illegals get GC if they pay back-taxes equal to the average amount paid by legals + fine for breaking law and stand in the line behind us.

[EkAurAaya]

Please and i'm begging you that please read the entire post and think for a moment before replying. I'm not in BEC, already filed my 485. I'm aware of the IV efforts towards getting relief for BEC people, I never disputed that. My point has been that the system and July bulletin is unfair (at least from one angle) and that calling it unfair/unjust should not upset others. I don't know what words were used by Bigtime and banning him was fair or unfair.

You want everyone else to suffer just because you suffered? or because older pd's suffered? life is not fair so get over with it... the sheer fact that you are in this country is a god's gift to you! So dont be judgmental about things...

btw my pd is feb 2003 and i'm very happy for everyone who will get the opportunity to get in the door!

[anilsal]

First of let me tell you life is not fair. All BEC people everyone in this forum empathizes with you esp me since my husband is also a victm, even if they say u should have filed in PERM. I know for a lot of folks this was not a choice for you to make sometimes it is the company, lawyer, ur job situation that is the determining factor. So, please hang in there and contribute without bad mouthing IV. Maybe some of you should become a part of the core and fight for ur rights. The reason I say life is not fair bc people like my husband and I we are not in IT or work for IT consulting companies yet this whole backlog is created bc of that particular industry and abuses to the H1B system and we still suffer. Also, what happens when u work for huge companies that usually don't hire h1b but once they made the step they don't want to loose you since you are an investment for them and hence the wait 5 years to file ur GC. Again life is not fair when the business needs you to move to a different position, or downsizes and you have to start from scratch all over again. Both my husband and I are here for 10 years and are on our 8th year of H1 and this is the first time for me to file 485 with 2006 PD and his labor still has to be filed yet again in Perm. My point life is not fair but you cannot blame others. Very few people are lucky and get GC in a year or year half. If you look most people had some struggle some worse than others. Just be grateful that someone is ready to atleast listen to you and help you fight this long battle.

There has been lots of unfair events in the immigration process. Genuine cases being stuck at BEC while labor-substituted/body shopping GCs with filings from small states when no one was working there etc got away with approvals.

[sgaur_1977]

I got intrigued about bigtime. Looked something up. Here is his post

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=84985#post84985

Note, posted on 06-16-2007.
"How long has your case been pending? My case is pending for only one month, not sure if my lawyer and employer will send email for me."

Which case is pending? LC? PERM? ONE MONTHS? Is this a BEC victim?

He is stuck in Atlanta for PERM...PD around April-07...though I feel sorry for Atlanta guys. This guy deserves a ban. Good riddance.

Please see the link in the attached message

[syzygy]

Does anyone know if I can file I-485 if my LC is approved before August 17th? Or should it be approved during month of July?

Thanks

[somegchuh]

I don't know the history of BigTime007 postings. Maybe he has said some things in the past that lead to the ban but his most recent post which got him banned seemed just like venting and nothing more.

What I do find annoying though is when ppl whose PD's are in 2006-2007 tell ppl rotting in BEC to "enjoy the ride". I have seen a few threads in the past where someone stuck in BEC was just venting and then ppl come along and tell them to "be happy for others". I don't get it. How is a person who is stuck for years, sees ppl with later cases get interim benefits, supposed to feel happy knowing they will still be stuck. :confused:

I think all these poor souls are looking for is a few words of sympathy and company of ppl in similiar situation (not very different from ppl complaining about retrogression mind you). If we can not do anything to help ppl stuck in those blackhole let's not rub salt into their wounds.

Lastly, regardless of whether you are stuck in BEC or expect to be stuck in retrogression for the next few years, there is no reason to be uncivil.

[bestia]

... I have seen a few threads in the past where someone stuck in BEC was just venting and then ppl come along and tell them to "be happy for others". I don't get it....

Come on, man. We are paying too much attention here. Look, there is always somebody stuck somewhere. People are stuck in BEC, in other contries. People are stuck in Afganistan, Bangalore, there are hungry people stuck in Africa. So? If there are hungry people, then I can't enjoy my dinner then? Someone always has to come and say "you enjoy and there are people stuck somewhere"? What's your reaction would be if someone come on your wedding and start complaining that he is impotent? - these are a little extreme examples, just to make a point.

I'm a June filer, and this July thing will hit me too, but I still congratulate those July filers. So what? I understand that we will start getting our EADs in a year (so we would be applying for next EAD once we got current one). I understand that USCIS officers will be irritated and pissed, they will be under tons of application and everybody will be calling and bugging them. So? I realize that it maybe will take 3-4 years for us to get GC. So? I realize that DOS might retrogress now dates for many years on Oct, and will not do the same stupid mistake as making dates current and unleashing the voluntary slaves. So?

Today was little tiny success and it was day of tiny celebration. There is day for complaining and there is day for celebration.

[jambapamba]

Come on, man. We are paying too much attention here. Look, there is always somebody stuck somewhere. People are stuck in BEC, in other contries. People are stuck in Afganistan, Bangalore, there are hungry people stuck in Africa. So? If there are hungry people, then I can't enjoy my dinner then? Someone always has to come and say "you enjoy and there are people stuck somewhere"? What's your reaction would be if someone come on your wedding and start complaining that he is impotent? - these are a little extreme examples, just to make a point.

I'm a June filer, and this July thing will hit me too, but I still congratulate those July filers. So what? I understand that we will start getting our EADs in a year (so we would be applying for next EAD once we got current one). I understand that USCIS officers will be irritated and pissed, they will be under tons of application and everybody will be calling and bugging them. So? I realize that it maybe will take 3-4 years for us to get GC. So? I realize that DOS might retrogress now dates for many years on Oct, and will not do the same stupid mistake as making dates current and unleashing the voluntary slaves. So?

Today was little tiny success and it was day of tiny celebration. There is day for complaining and there is day for celebration.

oh god...people stuck at BEC are compared to people "stuck" in afghanistan/africa. Dont understand what they are stuck for... :o

[jambapamba]

I don't know the history of BigTime007 postings. Maybe he has said some things in the past that lead to the ban but his most recent post which got him banned seemed just like venting and nothing more.

What I do find annoying though is when ppl whose PD's are in 2006-2007 tell ppl rotting in BEC to "enjoy the ride". I have seen a few threads in the past where someone stuck in BEC was just venting and then ppl come along and tell them to "be happy for others". I don't get it. How is a person who is stuck for years, sees ppl with later cases get interim benefits, supposed to feel happy knowing they will still be stuck. :confused:

I think all these poor souls are looking for is a few words of sympathy and company of ppl in similiar situation (not very different from ppl complaining about retrogression mind you). If we can not do anything to help ppl stuck in those blackhole let's not rub salt into their wounds.

Lastly, regardless of whether you are stuck in BEC or expect to be stuck in retrogression for the next few years, there is no reason to be uncivil.

I didn't read bigtime* posts either...but if he was being uncivil to us who are filing...its not right. He has every right to be frustrated but being uncivil is not right.

[vjkypally]

Though bigtime's comment was inappropriate it was made in a thread for BEC victims and thus banning him was a complete mistake. There should be a certain criteria for banning people. I have been with iv for last 2 months and only issue I found is this intolerance for difference in opinion. I guess its ok to ban someone who 2 days back went on and on abt why spouses shouldnt get EAD etc, his general tone was completely against wht we all stand for. Yet I think he wasnt banned and this poor guy was banned when he just showed his frustration.

[bigtime008]

I got intrigued about bigtime. Looked something up. Here is his post

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=84985#post84985

Note, posted on 06-16-2007.
"How long has your case been pending? My case is pending for only one month, not sure if my lawyer and employer will send email for me."

Which case is pending? LC? PERM? ONE MONTHS? Is this a BEC victim?


Frist, sorry for the confusion. I do have a 05/2007 PD at Atlanta PERM center. I came to the country in 1999 for grad school, started working with OPT in 2001, converted to H1 in 2002, laid off in 2002, started working again in 2002 with a new employer, filed labor in 2004 and got stuck in BEC ever since. The employer refused to file PERM, so I had change to a new company in 2006, and had PERM filed in 2007 and got stuck there again. Your are right, I am technically not in BEC, but psychologically I always feel I am in there.

I did not know what was 'disruptive' and 'inappropriate' about what I said. This is a board for BEC victims, so BEC victims are not allowed to express our frustration? I just expressed my depress and my concerns over how much this will retrogress the PD without targeting anyone. When tons of people run in front of our queue and shut us out in cold, we are supposed to 'enjoy the moment' with them? If so, when USCIS said no one can file 485 on July 2nd, why none of the people enjoy the happiness with those who already filed, because that will make their processing time much faster. People said we should feel happy for those who can file, because they now can get EAD/AP for their spouses, as if our spouse do not need EAD/AP. And as a result of this total mess, I don't think we'll have hope in another several years to see the date current.

IV core keeps telling us, BEC is always on their agenda. Really? If they did not even understand our pain and consider our frustration a disruption to people's happiness, how can we expect them to help? I still think IV is a great org, as it's the first such organization to speak out for legal immigrants. But when it comes to BEC victims, I did not see IV changed anything, or intend to change anything.

btw my original ID is still being banned

[EkAurAaya]

I am technically not in BEC, but psychologically I always feel I am in there.



What a joke :D I don't think its gonna help you build your credibility though

[Munna Bhai]

Come on, man. We are paying too much attention here. Look, there is always somebody stuck somewhere. People are stuck in BEC, in other contries. People are stuck in Afganistan, Bangalore, there are hungry people stuck in Africa. So? If there are hungry people, then I can't enjoy my dinner then? Someone always has to come and say "you enjoy and there are people stuck somewhere"? What's your reaction would be if someone come on your wedding and start complaining that he is impotent? - these are a little extreme examples, just to make a point.

I'm a June filer, and this July thing will hit me too, but I still congratulate those July filers. So what? I understand that we will start getting our EADs in a year (so we would be applying for next EAD once we got current one). I understand that USCIS officers will be irritated and pissed, they will be under tons of application and everybody will be calling and bugging them. So? I realize that it maybe will take 3-4 years for us to get GC. So? I realize that DOS might retrogress now dates for many years on Oct, and will not do the same stupid mistake as making dates current and unleashing the voluntary slaves. So?

Today was little tiny success and it was day of tiny celebration. There is day for complaining and there is day for celebration.

Bestia, you are again correct. This is tiny success and lot of hardwork has to be done to make this whole GC process a smooth process. Your posting keep the web alive.. cheers.

[somegchuh]

bestia,

My point is enjoy your dinner, yes you can't worry about every hungry man but don't tell the hungry to enjoy the hunger! If we can't help them let's not rub it in their face. That's all I am saying. Anyway, my comment wasn't meant for you. You have shown understanding. I did see a few ppl earlier who literally asked ppl to "shut up and enjoy the ride". That really pi*** me off.

Come on, man. We are paying too much attention here. Look, there is always somebody stuck somewhere. People are stuck in BEC, in other contries. People are stuck in Afganistan, Bangalore, there are hungry people stuck in Africa. So? If there are hungry people, then I can't enjoy my dinner then? Someone always has to come and say "you enjoy and there are people stuck somewhere"? What's your reaction would be if someone come on your wedding and start complaining that he is impotent? - these are a little extreme examples, just to make a point.


Bigtime008,
Its really your judgement call if you believe whether IV is an organization that is helping BEC victims. I think the focus of this organization is retrogression relief. Nothing wrong or right about it.


IV core keeps telling us, BEC is always on their agenda. Really? If they did not even understand our pain and consider our frustration a disruption to people's happiness, how can we expect them to help? I still think IV is a great org, as it's the first such organization to speak out for legal immigrants. But when it comes to BEC victims, I did not see IV changed anything, or intend to change anything.

[krishnam70]

None has called a ban for anyone being differ but it's just the way you express your opinions by using the words like "herd mentality", "dimwitted" etc. Not that you have accepted that you are here for news only, I don't think we need people like you.
IV is not a news site. It's a group of people who are fighting for a common cause. One needs to understand the common cause is not just helping July filers or people affected with retrogress but a bigger aim of helping all the legal employment-based immigrants. But one also needs to understand that not all the objective can be accomplished at a time and we need to strike the iron when it's hot and make every opportunity count, be it a BEC, retrogression, July filer or Visa recapturing.

Having said that, I do agree that BEC is one of the issue which should definitely be focussing on next. I'm sure IV members (even if they are not a BEC victim) will support whole heartedly any cause which can bring some relief to BEC victms. What we need is a united front and some unique ideas like flower campaign. Do not forget the flower campaign idea was pursued by one of the IV member who was not part of core.


I think critics of both sides of the argument need to have their say but in a decent manner. This is a public forum and while personal opinions are welcome please be sensitive to the situation other people are in before making any statements. Everybody needs a place to vent out but this is not an forum for vents, it is for a common cause. While we acheive some small victories in this long wait the actual battle is ahead of us and lets not lose focus. There might be many of our fellow members who might become inactive because they recd their GC's or simply not interested anymore and yet at the same time there would be many more new members joining the group for help and advise.

It is imperative to understand , as often pointed out by logiclife, that one person's loss is not anothers gain here. While some of us may feel bad because even latest PERM approved can file 485 while BEC stuck filers are waiting in the benches there is no guarantee that they will get GC before us. If that were true then there would be not so many people waiting here for their GC's. I do feel worried to an extent about how this might affect my chances of getting a GC(waiting 7 yrs already, 485 filed 3 yrs ago) but is there anything we can do to change this? -certainly, the way to change it is to look at the big picture and try to eliminate the reasons for the backlog issue and see that reduced. If that is done and we see some changes on account of the SKILL bill or any of the other initiatives like re-capture of old unused visas or one Visa number per family then all of us would be in a better situation.

For those people who are insensitive to the emotions of people who are stuck in BEC remember till yesterday you were also cursing USCIS(irrespective of your PD) about not being able to file 485 and yet today you scorn those who feel wronged for not being able to file because of this BEC mess.

Lets all unite and try to work towards the large picture issues rather than squabbling over things like this. TO BAN or Not to BAN is IV moderators perogative, if somebody violated the spirit they need to get a warning and given a chance to change or then banned..my thoughts..

cheers

[nk2]

IV core keeps telling us, BEC is always on their agenda. Really?

I am also stuck in BEC, but I know IV has kept BEC victims in mind.


See the following links

Pappu
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6084
It is thru expert drafting and analysis of IV core and its push with various like minded orgs that we got AC21 provisions of H1 re-instated by striking the text in "grand bargain" draft that removed it. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WERE HELPED AND WHOSE CAREERS AND PRIORITY DATES WERE SAVED BY THAT CHANGE ARE BACKLOG CENTER VICTIMS.

LogicLife
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=100024#post100024

[arrarrgee]

LOL...Couldn't help myself after reading this thread... Guys who are frustrated..i totally commiserate with all of you who are stuck in BEC..All the july filers would be eligible to file for their 485s and would get their EAD's ad AP's a couple of months earlier than the folks stuck in BEC.The BEC folks would get them too when the dates move starting Oct 1st.

Its ultimately the PD thats important for the green card..since you already have your PD much before than the june fliers,you always have your place in the GC line. Unless you guys come and join us its not gonna move...

[arrarrgee]

Its just the Battle that has been won guys.,...the War is still on.. Its just the beginning ..everyone has just started taking us seriously...We gotta trust IV and support them (Ourselves) in every step...

[bigtime008]

I am also stuck in BEC, but I know IV has kept BEC victims in mind.


See the following links

Pappu
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6084


LogicLife
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=100024#post100024

Quote from LogicLife's post

'And finally, if you do rejoice at the revisions of July bulletin because that would somehow do justice to you and your other BEC brothers, please rejoice privately, not publicly. Rejoice all you want, if that's what gives you happiness, but send PMs to your BEC friends or do it over the phone. Have a barbeque at your home. Have a conference call and celebrate. '

If all others can rejoice the open of visa filing at our expense publicly, why couldn't we rejoice something that'd bring fairness? Why don't they rejoince in private? You think they have us in mind? I call that BS.

[waiting4gc]

Now I see why you got banned. What you did not realize is others were not rejoicing anything "AT YOUR EXPENSE". They were just enjoying what was available to them. You are the one who wants to make it a zero sum game i.e. gain for others is loss for you and vice versa.

While others were celebrating what was good for them, you want to rejoice others pain. That is just *sic*. I retract my earlier support for you.

Do I think that its unfair that people (I started my GC in May 04) from 06,07 will clog up queue, yes, but such is life. Can't do much about that can we? So enjoy whatever good is happening. Please remember, what goes around comes around. If you rejoice others unhappiness, you too will soon join them.

Quote from LogicLife's post

'And finally, if you do rejoice at the revisions of July bulletin because that would somehow do justice to you and your other BEC brothers, please rejoice privately, not publicly. Rejoice all you want, if that's what gives you happiness, but send PMs to your BEC friends or do it over the phone. Have a barbeque at your home. Have a conference call and celebrate. '

If all others can rejoice the open of visa filing at our expense publicly, why couldn't we rejoice something that'd bring fairness? Why don't they rejoince in private? You think they have us in mind? I call that BS.

[pappu]

=======================

Message from IV for BEC victims

We are aware of the issue and if there is any acion item, we will post it.

also be aware of what we posted earlier on this issue:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6084
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=100024#post100024
=========================

[she81]

Does anyone know if I can file I-485 if my LC is approved before August 17th? Or should it be approved during month of July?

Thanks


Does anyone have an answer for this? Appreciate some response.

[bigtime008]

Now I see why you got banned. What you did not realize is others were not rejoicing anything "AT YOUR EXPENSE". They were just enjoying what was available to them. You are the one who wants to make it a zero sum game i.e. gain for others is loss for you and vice versa.

While others were celebrating what was good for them, you want to rejoice others pain. That is just *sic*. I retract my earlier support for you.
.

Please don't misunderstand me, I did not rejoice their pain, I rejoice what was good for me.

[RRG]

People like bigtime008 are loosers.

They will think of themselves only. Characteristics of such peoiple are: Selfish

Instead of celebrating the greater good for all, they are just worried about what they are getting out of it.
These people join a group for security; but will always think only about themselves and will take every opportunity to demoralize the whole team.

We know BEC is an issue and there is sympathy for them, but does it mean we want to stop 700K people with families not getting a chance to better their lives.

[she81]

Please stop posting such rude and derogatory posts for people stuck at BECs. It's very easy to criticize if you are in a better position than someone. But remember, you could also have been one among them. Then, if you were expressing your dissatisfaction and instead have people call you losers, you wouldn't begin to imagine how that feels. So, be happy you are getting this window of opportunity but stop this ugly bashing and blaming of yours.

People like bigtime008 are loosers.

They will think of themselves only. Characteristics of such peoiple are: Selfish

Instead of celebrating the greater good for all, they are just worried about what they are getting out of it.
These people join a group for security; but will always think only about themselves and will take every opportunity to demoralize the whole team.

We know BEC is an issue and there is sympathy for them, but does it mean we want to stop 700K people with families not getting a chance to better their lives.

[she81]

Can someone please close this thread. It is really ugly and some people have really gone overboard with their criticisms. Need to introduce some serious ettiquette in this forum.

[rongha_2000]

Is there a thing called Double Ban? If there is ban this self centered piece of crap again.:mad:

Most people showing their cool wisdom still not getting the point. A BEC person with Feb 2005 PD may not be able to file for another 2 years while a PD 2007 person will be enjoying EAD during that time. In my dictionary this is injustice. And that's why i was kinda happy when they updated the July bulletin, now I'm not really happy even if my company has already filed my 485/EAD on july 2. I'm still wishing (and i'll be honest) USCIS come up with a reason/regulation/rule that will delay EAD for everyone until BEC people are able to file 485 OR in Oct they retrogress only till March 2005.

P.S. if you are superstitious, you want to know this: most of my relatives/freinds call me "Black Tongue" because usually when i say something unpleasent it happens. e.g. i told my wife last month that i don't believe everyone is able to file 485, something will go wrong and everyone will be disappointed. (when everyone expects something it does not happen- contrarian theory)

[singhsa3]

Oh Boy!, I feel like hugging you (Jadu ki zappi). By the way my story is very similar to you
Came to USA in 1999 to do MBA from a top US school. Joined a multinational org in 2001, filled my labor in 2002, got laid off in 2005, Filled my another labor in 2005.
But look , I am cool!:)

Frist, sorry for the confusion. I do have a 05/2007 PD at Atlanta PERM center. I came to the country in 1999 for grad school, started working with OPT in 2001, converted to H1 in 2002, laid off in 2002, started working again in 2002 with a new employer, filed labor in 2004 and got stuck in BEC ever since. The employer refused to file PERM, so I had change to a new company in 2006, and had PERM filed in 2007 and got stuck there again. Your are right, I am technically not in BEC, but psychologically I always feel I am in there.

I did not know what was 'disruptive' and 'inappropriate' about what I said. This is a board for BEC victims, so BEC victims are not allowed to express our frustration? I just expressed my depress and my concerns over how much this will retrogress the PD without targeting anyone. When tons of people run in front of our queue and shut us out in cold, we are supposed to 'enjoy the moment' with them? If so, when USCIS said no one can file 485 on July 2nd, why none of the people enjoy the happiness with those who already filed, because that will make their processing time much faster. People said we should feel happy for those who can file, because they now can get EAD/AP for their spouses, as if our spouse do not need EAD/AP. And as a result of this total mess, I don't think we'll have hope in another several years to see the date current.

IV core keeps telling us, BEC is always on their agenda. Really? If they did not even understand our pain and consider our frustration a disruption to people's happiness, how can we expect them to help? I still think IV is a great org, as it's the first such organization to speak out for legal immigrants. But when it comes to BEC victims, I did not see IV changed anything, or intend to change anything.

btw my original ID is still being banned

[rongha_2000]

USCIS should have gone back in history to see when you stroke of bad luck started and as a compensation of your "suffering" should have awarded you a PD of 1995 (even before you came to US)

DAMN them USCIS..!!:rolleyes:

Frist, sorry for the confusion. I do have a 05/2007 PD at Atlanta PERM center. I came to the country in 1999 for grad school, started working with OPT in 2001, converted to H1 in 2002, laid off in 2002, started working again in 2002 with a new employer, filed labor in 2004 and got stuck in BEC ever since. The employer refused to file PERM, so I had change to a new company in 2006, and had PERM filed in 2007 and got stuck there again. Your are right, I am technically not in BEC, but psychologically I always feel I am in there.

I did not know what was 'disruptive' and 'inappropriate' about what I said. This is a board for BEC victims, so BEC victims are not allowed to express our frustration? I just expressed my depress and my concerns over how much this will retrogress the PD without targeting anyone. When tons of people run in front of our queue and shut us out in cold, we are supposed to 'enjoy the moment' with them? If so, when USCIS said no one can file 485 on July 2nd, why none of the people enjoy the happiness with those who already filed, because that will make their processing time much faster. People said we should feel happy for those who can file, because they now can get EAD/AP for their spouses, as if our spouse do not need EAD/AP. And as a result of this total mess, I don't think we'll have hope in another several years to see the date current.

IV core keeps telling us, BEC is always on their agenda. Really? If they did not even understand our pain and consider our frustration a disruption to people's happiness, how can we expect them to help? I still think IV is a great org, as it's the first such organization to speak out for legal immigrants. But when it comes to BEC victims, I did not see IV changed anything, or intend to change anything.

btw my original ID is still being banned

[somegchuh]

Great way to show your sympathy! Calling ppl names...

People like bigtime008 are loosers.

They will think of themselves only. Characteristics of such peoiple are: Selfish

Instead of celebrating the greater good for all, they are just worried about what they are getting out of it.
These people join a group for security; but will always think only about themselves and will take every opportunity to demoralize the whole team.

We know BEC is an issue and there is sympathy for them, but does it mean we want to stop 700K people with families not getting a chance to better their lives

[tinamatthew]

Is there a thing called Double Ban? If there is ban this self centered piece of crap again.:mad:

What is BEC? Maybe I don't understand. How can someone on BEC with PD 2005 not get an EAD b4 a PD of 2007?

Pls enlighten me

Thanks

[saimrathi]

Please close this thread... Someone wanted to apologize, they apologized... done deal... no point going on.. I have mentioned in my posts before that if you dont like someone or what they have to say add them to Ignore list, their posts wont show up while you are browsing threads... Lets keep the forum clean and informative... Thanks...

Most people showing their cool wisdom still not getting the point. A BEC person with Feb 2005 PD may not be able to file for another 2 years while a PD 2007 person will be enjoying EAD during that time. In my dictionary this is injustice. And that's why i was kinda happy when they updated the July bulletin, now I'm not really happy even if my company has already filed my 485/EAD on july 2. I'm still wishing (and i'll be honest) USCIS come up with a reason/regulation/rule that will delay EAD for everyone until BEC people are able to file 485 OR in Oct they retrogress only till March 2005.

P.S. if you are superstitious, you want to know this: most of my relatives/freinds call me "Black Tongue" because usually when i say something unpleasent it happens. e.g. i told my wife last month that i don't believe everyone is able to file 485, something will go wrong and everyone will be disappointed. (when everyone expects something it does not happen- contrarian theory)

[vrkgali]

I applied for my labor during sept 2002.Just before my labor getting cleared, they started this BEC 's and sent my application to PBEC and it it was cleared during 2006 April.( after 3 and 1/2 years)

During this period I got one year of extension for my H1B and sent papers to the attorney for I-140.That stupid attorney did not file my I-140 for the next 4 months just like that.( god only knows what happened bw, my employer and attorney). and at last we changed the attorney and applied for I-140 during 2006 November. and during 2007 Feb I put my I-140 for premium processing.

Before I get RFE for the premium processing , the USCIS mistook my employer name with other employer and denied my I-140.And again After the attorney clarified them about the RFE , they Put my I-140 into Abeyance state. That means I can not File for I-485 because my I-140 is not in pending state and I can not apply for I-140 again becuase I-140 is not in denied state.

And for the past 3 months My I-140 is in neither pending , nor Denied state and my attorney does not even answer for the question whether I can Apply for the H1B extension.

all these years I am very patient , but once the dates are current , I am lieing , If I say that I am not jealous of those who is able to apply for I-485 , who came to USA in Jan 2007.

[prinive]

Yes ? No?

I applied my Lab at Sep 2001 got approved in Ocy 2005. I140 cleared in 3 months. Now I applied for my I 485 in June 2007.

My friend applied his lab through the same company in May 2001. Got GC 3 years back.

Another friend came to this coutry in Dec 2006. Applied lab in Feb 2007. He is going to apply his I485 tomorrow.

What should I say? Am I pissed?

Ahahaha good luck guys.

[jayram123]

Is it not all about the bottomline?


Can any one of you as a single person make a difference? NO

Can WE as a group make a difference? YES and we have proved that.

Are WE focused as a group? Yes. In its entirety? No, and we will probably never be since we are a group.

This mess was not created by the guy with a PD of 2007 but by USCIS. So, you can hate USCIS all you want but what did the guy with PD2007 do. He just got lucky. He got lucky, plain and simple. Why should anybody feel bad about someone else's luck?


Come on guys, at least some of us are seeing the end of the light. Don't think I am PD 2007. My PD is Dec 2003. This is my fourth employer I am pursuing my GC with. I started working in 1997 and my first labor was filed in 1997. For various reasons I had to switch. I have seen all different cases. People who came in 2004 and got their GC by 2005. Is it fair? No, but it isn't the guy's fault. It is USCIS's and that's what we are trying to change. One issue at a time.

This was a can't miss opportunity caused by the USCIS foul-up. Nobody could miss out on pursuing this. Now that we are done with that, I am sure core will focus on other important issues like BEC victims etc.

Hope that helps. Peace!

[manish_jain99]

People were very happy with the last USCIS announcement but we all forgot about pain of people who are stuck in years of backlog. Though some of those unfortunate may have used harsh or improper language, but they had all the right to express their feelings. We all talk about Gandhian philosophy, but we need to be more tolerant. Before we ask to ban anyone from our forum, please try to put yourself in their shoes.

Our fight is far from over, we should all fight for for in-justice made to people who are trapped in the bureaucracy.

[ilikekilo]

People were very happy with the last USCIS announcement but we all forgot about pain of people who are stuck in years of backlog. Though some of those unfortunate may have used harsh or improper language, but they had all the right to express their feelings. We all talk about Gandhian philosophy, but we need to be more tolerant. Before we ask to ban anyone from our forum, please try to put yourself in their shoes.

Our fight is far from over, we should all fight for for in-justice made to people who are trapped in the bureaucracy.


banning people is not the solution to the problem...live and let live...reasonbly

[Macaca]

bigtime007/8 is clearly a sinner. However, modern civilizations do not kill most sinners. We need to find an atonement prescription for bigtime007/8.

We need to count his (her) posts and persons whom s/he has offended. Then, s/he has to post twice as many posts that offend anti-immigrants and offend twice as many anti-immigrants in non IV blog sites.

To begin with atonement, bigtime007/8 should start studying blogs attached to following articles.

The Gandhi Protests Pay Off (http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2007/db20070716_514499.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index _businessweek+exclusives) Facing political pressure and legal action, the U.S. government may speed up green-card processing and make more slots available by Moira Herbst Business Week, July 17, 2007
A Green Light on the Road to Green Cards (http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2007/db20070717_923080.htm) The federal government reverses a moratorium on "Adjustment of Status" applications in response to protests by employers and high-skilled immigrants by Moira Herbst Business Week, July 18

[delhirocks]

These are really sad set of circumstances. My heart goes out to you. If it is of any consolation, once your 140 is aprooved, you would be able to file for 485 (hopefully in Oct-07) and with a PD of 2002, you should get your GC before most of us..good luck..


I applied for my labor during sept 2002.Just before my labor getting cleared, they started this BEC 's and sent my application to PBEC and it it was cleared during 2006 April.( after 3 and 1/2 years)

During this period I got one year of extension for my H1B and sent papers to the attorney for I-140.That stupid attorney did not file my I-140 for the next 4 months just like that.( god only knows what happened bw, my employer and attorney). and at last we changed the attorney and applied for I-140 during 2006 November. and during 2007 Feb I put my I-140 for premium processing.

Before I get RFE for the premium processing , the USCIS mistook my employer name with other employer and denied my I-140.And again After the attorney clarified them about the RFE , they Put my I-140 into Abeyance state. That means I can not File for I-485 because my I-140 is not in pending state and I can not apply for I-140 again becuase I-140 is not in denied state.

And for the past 3 months My I-140 is in neither pending , nor Denied state and my attorney does not even answer for the question whether I can Apply for the H1B extension.

all these years I am very patient , but once the dates are current , I am lieing , If I say that I am not jealous of those who is able to apply for I-485 , who came to USA in Jan 2007.

[pappu]

Your apologies are accepted and the ban is lifted. Please make sure not to post anything offensive or disruptive. Please also update your profile. You were anonymous and you are still anonymous. We do not welcome annonymous users and their posts. IV does not even answer any anonymous user or helps any anonymous user in PMs or emails.

Making mistakes anonymously and apologizing anonymously has zero value to us.

Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:


You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts

Date the ban will be lifted: Never


After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.

Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.

This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!

[geesee]

Pappu - Thanks for removing the ban!

OP - I honestly feel very sorry for all the people out there who are stuck at PBEC... Its the most unfortunate thing in the whole GC process. And I truly believe that IV Core should treat labor backlog issue as one of their top priority items.

I had filed 2 labor apps in 2004. One from NJ in Jun 2004 and other one from IL in Nov. 2004.. I consider myself lucky to get my IL labor approval. Dont know the status of NJ labor.. I think it might be stuck in backlog too!