Dream Act - Moving to the Front of the Line

[h1techSlave]

Dream act is in the news again. The loosers are trying to revive it during the lame duck session.

Below is one of the provisions in the DREAM act:

Both bills (House and Senate versions) require USCIS to adjudicate all amnesty applications on “an expedited basis” but prohibit the agency from requiring a higher fee from amnesty applicants for such expedited processing. This means that every illegal alien who applies for amnesty would move to the front of the line, ahead of the millions of people who are in line to come to the United States the right way.

What this means to us is that, if DREAM passes, we are doomed whether our PD becomes current or not. Our applications (H1B, 140, EAD, 485, AP everything) will rot in USCIS, since they would be busy attending to the millions and millions of DREAM applications. Our struggles in the infamous BEC (Backlog Elimination Center) would look like a walk in the park.

[eastindia]

Dream act is in the news again. The loosers are trying to revive it during the lame duck session.

Below is one of the provisions in the DREAM act:

Both bills (House and Senate versions) require USCIS to adjudicate all amnesty applications on “an expedited basis” but prohibit the agency from requiring a higher fee from amnesty applicants for such expedited processing. This means that every illegal alien who applies for amnesty would move to the front of the line, ahead of the millions of people who are in line to come to the United States the right way.

What this means to us is that, if DREAM passes, we are doomed whether our PD becomes current or not. Our applications (H1B, 140, EAD, 485, AP everything) will rot in USCIS, since they would be busy attending to the millions and millions of DREAM applications. Our struggles in the infamous BEC (Backlog Elimination Center) would look like a walk in the park.

Anti Immigrants are very happy today reading your posts. They are celebrating that you fell into their trap and is now inciting against undocumented people. This is exactly what they want. They will pitch legals illegals and have them fight.

Do not just accept what others tell you.

Have you ever bothered to read the Dream Act? Tell us the exact sentence/s where it says everything you are claiming? There is no way undocumented are getting green cards by standing in our line ahead of us.

[h1techSlave]

Text of S.729 as Introduced in Senate: Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act of 2009 - U.S.... OpenCongress (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s729/text)

SEC. 10. EXPEDITED PROCESSING OF APPLICATIONS; PROHIBITION ON FEES.


Anti Immigrants are very happy today reading your posts. They are celebrating that you fell into their trap and is now inciting against undocumented people. This is exactly what they want. They will pitch legals illegals and have them fight.

Do not just accept what others tell you.

Have you ever bothered to read the Dream Act? Tell us the exact sentence/s where it says everything you are claiming? There is no way undocumented are getting green cards by standing in our line ahead of us.

[tonyHK12]

Dream act is in the news again. The loosers are trying to revive it during the lame duck session.

Below is one of the provisions in the DREAM act:

Both bills (House and Senate versions) require USCIS to adjudicate all amnesty applications on “an expedited basis” but prohibit the agency from requiring a higher fee from amnesty applicants for such expedited processing. This means that every illegal alien who applies for amnesty would move to the front of the line, ahead of the millions of people who are in line to come to the United States the right way.

What this means to us is that, if DREAM passes, we are doomed whether our PD becomes current or not. Our applications (H1B, 140, EAD, 485, AP everything) will rot in USCIS, since they would be busy attending to the millions and millions of DREAM applications. Our struggles in the infamous BEC (Backlog Elimination Center) would look like a walk in the park.

Whatever you say is more or less true. But this is a complex political matter, some of the supporters of DREAM are also concerned about our cause, but they can afford to not do anything for us.
Also we don't have a very strong lobby group thanks to non-Donor members, so not many are going to listen us us seperately.
Old saying - "Money talks & bullsh*t walks"

[blacktongue]

Text of S.729 as Introduced in Senate: Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act of 2009 - U.S.... OpenCongress (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s729/text)

SEC. 10. EXPEDITED PROCESSING OF APPLICATIONS; PROHIBITION ON FEES.

I read. No country quota. No quota. Unlimited quota per year. Expedited processing for them. But that is true for CIR amnesty bill. Nothing new.

So they in another fast line. It does not affect EB-1, 2, 3 at all. We are fine. No worry.

[coolngood4u80]

It does affect us as most of the USCIS resources would be allocated to process the DREAM applications

[eastindia]

Whatever you say is more or less true. But this is a complex political matter, some of the supporters of DREAM are also concerned about our cause, but they can afford to not do anything for us.
Also we don't have a very strong lobby group thanks to non-Donor members, so not many are going to listen us us seperately.
Old saying - "Money talks & bullsh*t walks"

You are absolutely correct.

They have Hispanic causes >>>>> Where is India Caucus for us?
They have Hispaniic votes >>>>> Where are our Indian American Votes for our bill?
They have Millions from Hispanic businesses, Hispanic origin citizens etc >>>>> Where are our donors?

[h1techSlave]

Whatever you say is more or less true. But this is a complex political matter, some of the supporters of DREAM are also concerned about our cause, but they can afford to not do anything for us.
Also we don't have a very strong lobby group thanks to non-Donor members, so not many are going to listen us us seperately.
Old saying - "Money talks & bullsh*t walks"

The only thing that I wanted to point out was that our applications might slow down due to DREAM act. I know (we all know) the political realities of immigration.

[tonyHK12]

You are absolutely correct.

They have Hispanic causes >>>>> Where is India Caucus for us?
They have Hispaniic votes >>>>> Where are our Indian American Votes for our bill?
They have Millions from Hispanic businesses, Hispanic origin citizens etc >>>>> Where are our donors?

we also don't need just an Indian caucus, black tongue is chinese, add EB3 europeans, others and the total GC, citizen population is about 11 Million or more. Enough votes too.

I'm curious too, where exactly could you take your monthly $25 contribution to IV and spend it on something else? What can you buy with it that lasts for a month? Corn flakes?

The only thing that I wanted to point out was that our applications might slow down due to DREAM act. I know (we all know) the political realities of immigration.

Agreed and they will continue to bash us and roll over us, unless members take the initiative

[eastindia]

The only thing that I wanted to point out was that our applications might slow down due to DREAM act. I know (we all know) the political realities of immigration.

If our recapture bill or STEM exemption bill passes, even then our applications will slow down due to heavy work load.
If people are allowed to file I485 before getting current, then also our applications will slow down.

So are you saying no reform bill should pass because USCIS will be overworked?

In that case let us first stop all lobbying for any bill and just work on a bill that allows USCIS to employ more workers. Once USCIS has more employees then we work on a recapture bill?

[blacktongue]

we also don't need just an Indian caucus, black tongue is chinese, add EB3 europeans, others and the total GC, citizen population is about 11 Million or more. Enough votes too.

I'm curious too, where exactly could you take your monthly $25 contribution to IV and spend it on something else? What can you buy with it that lasts for a month? Corn flakes?



Agreed and they will continue to bash us and roll over us, unless members take the initiative

Chinese against Indians. Indians want country limits remove. But if country limit removed, then all Indians will be before Chinese queue. Chinese against spillover rule . It helps Indians and not Chinese. etc

Other countries also opposition to Indians. Country limit removed will make Indians get card before them.

So cannot possible to work together. Indians to fight alone.

[waitingnwaiting]

Chinese against Indians. Indians want country limits remove. But if country limit removed, then all Indians will be before Chinese queue. Chinese against spillover rule . It helps Indians and not Chinese. etc

Other countries also opposition to Indians. Country limit removed will make Indians get card before them.

So cannot possible to work together. Indians to fight alone.

Indians fight between EB2 EB3.

[tonyHK12]

Chinese against Indians. Indians want country limits remove. But if country limit removed, then all Indians will be before Chinese queue. Chinese against spillover rule . It helps Indians and not Chinese. etc

Other countries also opposition to Indians. Country limit removed will make Indians get card before them.

So cannot possible to work together. Indians to fight alone.

ok agree. Just increasing annual EB visas to about 250,000 would help everybody?

[imh1b]

Indians fight between EB2 EB3.

I hate to say but we Indians are stingy and greedy. There are so many immigration websites run by Indians that make money by our wait and desperation for information. Why can't we have IV message everywhere? Why can't everyone merge with IV and help us?

[Student with no hopes]

Dream act is in the news again.
What this means to us is that, if DREAM passes, we are doomed whether our PD becomes current or not. Our applications (H1B, 140, EAD, 485, AP everything) will rot in USCIS, since they would be busy attending to the millions and millions of DREAM applications. Our struggles in the infamous BEC (Backlog Elimination Center) would look like a walk in the park.

Text of S.729 as Introduced in Senate: Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act of 2009 - U.S.... OpenCongress (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s729/text)
SEC. 10. EXPEDITED PROCESSING OF APPLICATIONS; PROHIBITION ON FEES.

I read. No country quota. No quota. Unlimited quota per year. Expedited processing for them. But that is true for CIR amnesty bill. Nothing new.
So they in another fast line. It does not affect EB-1, 2, 3 at all. We are fine. No worry.

If this bill does pass, they cannot come under the 140,000 visas in the EB category right - since they will not belong to EB1, EB2 or EB3.

Which category will they come under? Or is this about the USCIS being overwhelmed with applications?

[imh1b]

ok agree. Just increasing annual EB visas to about 250,000 would help everybody?

It would increase the work of USCIS and jam the system. USCS can barely manage to process 140K applications per year and not waste visas. By giving them more work to do we are putting too much pressure on an agency that cannot handle. I suggest we give them a year of time off so that they are well rested and come back next year to process applications in FIFO. :D:D:D:D:D

[h1techSlave]

If our recapture bill or STEM exemption bill passes, even then our applications will slow down due to heavy work load.
If people are allowed to file I485 before getting current, then also our applications will slow down.

So are you saying no reform bill should pass because USCIS will be overworked?

In that case let us first stop all lobbying for any bill and just work on a bill that allows USCIS to employ more workers. Once USCIS has more employees then we work on a recapture bill?

If they pass recapture or anything related to legal immigration, then the benefits would far outweigh costs (from legal community perspective). If they pass DREAM, legal community has no benefit; only cost.

[blacktongue]

If they pass recapture or anything related to legal immigration, then the benefits would far outweigh costs (from legal community perspective). If they pass DREAM, legal community has no benefit; only cost.

For EB1 category any bill for recapture or anything related to legal immigration slow us. Even now our processing slow now. We wait slow USCIS processing despite current dates. Imagine if more file applications.

[tonyHK12]

It would increase the work of USCIS and jam the system. USCS can barely manage to process 140K applications per year and not waste visas. By giving them more work to do we are putting too much pressure on an agency that cannot handle. I suggest we give them a year of time off so that they are well rested and come back next year to process applications in FIFO. :D:D:D:D:D

Yes they would "appear" to be overloaded. My point is we have to get a Bill in that has a support of chinese and others too as we need numbers.

USCIS is paid about $3000 for the GC fees for a single applicant. I can't believe they cannot find people to work 100 hours at $30/hour on one application.
Where is all the money going to - Medicare?

[TeddyKoochu]

If they pass recapture or anything related to legal immigration, then the benefits would far outweigh costs (from legal community perspective). If they pass DREAM, legal community has no benefit; only cost.

Well said, anything for legal’s like us who follow the law is good. Anything that benefits only those who did not only slows things down but is an affront to those who follow the law every day. While I appreciate that there are human issues on the other side but America is a country of laws and they must prevail with Legal’s having the preference.

[tonyHK12]

Well said, anything for legal’s like us who follow the law is good. Anything that benefits only those who did not only slows things down but is an affront to those who follow the law every day. While I appreciate that there are human issues on the other side but America is a country of laws and they must prevail with Legal’s having the preference.

Yes true, I'm tired to hearing the fake human sympathy propaganda.
Mexico is a civilized country whose population doubles every 20 years and has similarly happened in the US too, and will continue to happen in the future.
They have to tackle the underlying cause of poverty and a bad economy.

[looneytunezez]

come on man, what did corn flakes ever do to you??? why pick on poor li'l corn flakes?!!!


I'm curious too, where exactly could you take your monthly $25 contribution to IV and spend it on something else? What can you buy with it that lasts for a month? Corn flakes?

[tonyHK12]

come on man, what did corn flakes ever do to you??? why pick on poor li'l corn flakes?!!!

All right you can have your corn flakes, we need you to stay healthy for the senator meetings! I'm more of a BEC guy.

IV wants a buck a day from all of you.

Coffee ya IV (drip) apki marzi....

[h1techSlave]

Yes true, I'm tired to hearing the fake human sympathy propaganda.
Mexico is a civilized country whose population doubles every 20 years and has similarly happened in the US too, and will continue to happen in the future.
They have to tackle the underlying cause of poverty and a bad economy.

Mexico's fertility rate is 2.1 children per woman. In plain English, this means that Mexico's population has stabilized. Their population would NOT increase in a long term basis. Short term population might increase due to improving life expectancy. (India's rate is 2.7, while US has 2.1).

Mexico's per capita GDP is $8000 and has a rank of 69 (for comparison China: $2000, India: $800).

So the underlying cause of high illegal immigration from Mexico to the US is neither huge population pressure nor poverty. My understanding is that their problem is law-enforcement. No law --> no businesses --> no jobs for young people --> immigration to the US.

Ironically the law makers in the US is slowly making this country a lawless land.

GDP (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map. (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_percap-economy-gdp-nominal-per-capita)
Google - public data (http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_dyn_tfrt_in&tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=world+fertility+rate#met=sp_dyn_tfrt_in&idim=country:MEX&tdim=true)

[SGP]

Hi Guys,
When does the lame duck session start?
Any clues on the agenda they will discuss?
Any TV channel or website where we can get the updates?

[goosetavo]

Let's get real, Comprehensive Reform is dead in the new Congress, if this bill can even come up for a vote it would be a miracle and could give us a chance to get some temporary relief (in the form of an ammendment), we should see this as an opportunity.

We all have different needs (there are EB even filers from Mexico!), let's not get caught up in the details of what would help each group more, we don't even have a proposal to speak of yet.

[tonyHK12]

Mexico's fertility rate is 2.1 children per woman. In plain English, this means that Mexico's population has stabilized. Their population would NOT increase in a long term basis. Short term population might increase due to improving life expectancy. (India's rate is 2.7, while US has 2.1).


Minor correction (didn't post earlier as I didn't consider it important)
I was more referring to the latino/Hispanic voting community in the US, currently at 10%, its expected to double every 20 years according to census estimates will post a link later. its a big voting bloc, more so in the future. well heres a related one, in fact asians are the fastest growing population in the US, I guess the total is lesser though:
http://www.census.gov/population/www/pop-profile/natproj.html

Let's get real, Comprehensive Reform is dead in the new Congress, if this bill can even come up for a vote it would be a miracle and could give us a chance to get some temporary relief (in the form of an ammendment), we should see this as an opportunity.
According to Attorney Murthy's blog, CIR may well be alive. Republicans plan to also do something for the large hispanic community as they need their support in 2012. Well any way hope they bring in DREAM also with ammendments.

[goosetavo]

Noty sure what the pay is here, this could be an opportunity for us if the new strategy is to go piecemeal:

"Shortly before Election Day, Reid promised during an interview with Univision, a Spanish-language television network, that he would bring the Dream Act up for a vote before the end of the year."

Reid on the hook for delivering on election promises in lame-duck session - TheHill.com (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/128027-reid-on-the-hook-for-election-promises-in-lame-duck-session)

[looivy]

Minor correction (didn't post earlier as I didn't consider it important)
I was more referring to the latino/Hispanic voting community in the US, currently at 10%, its expected to double every 20 years according to census estimates will post a link later. its a big voting bloc, more so in the future. well heres a related one, in fact asians are the fastest growing population in the US, I guess the total is lesser though:
Population Profile of the United States (http://www.census.gov/population/www/pop-profile/natproj.html)


According to Attorney Murthy's blog, CIR may well be alive. Republicans plan to also do something for the large hispanic community as they need their support in 2012. Well any way hope they bring in DREAM also with ammendments.

Any hope of attaching EB recapture provision to DREAM? Can IV please take this up? I see a very narrow opportunity here.

[tonyHK12]

Any hope of attaching EB recapture provision to DREAM? Can IV please take this up? I see a very narrow opportunity here.

Well IVs campaigns are confidential and are available in the Donor forum as requested by Administrators.
Interesting questions like - which lawmakers are doing what with legal immigration, their support, lobby , counter-lobby efforts, negotiations and results. What exactly is happening in DC politics for us.
Pretty interesting stuff I might add.

[gk_2000]

Well IVs campaigns are confidential and are available in the Donor forum as requested by Administrators.
Interesting questions like - which lawmakers are doing what with legal immigration, their support, lobby , counter-lobby efforts, negotiations and results. What exactly is happening in DC politics for us.
Pretty interesting stuff I might add.

Happy reading

[rameshvaid]

Did some one watch "Beyond Boarderlines" on CNBC on 11/15/10 @ 10.00 pm a two hours show.. What a brilliant display of unity by Illegals..Amazing.. Can IV do something on those lines. I am ready to contribute whole heartedly..

Can some one post a link here please???

RV..