Antis preparing for onslaught

[doggy]

Check http://anti-antis.blogspot.com/2009/07/conference-call-to-teach-antis-how-to.html
Conference Call on Effective Posting - tomorrow, July 21st at 7:15pm

How to Post for Maximum Impact
Conference Call tomorrow night, 7:15pm Central

Labor Day marks the beginning of national discussions on the corporate visa programs that allow companies to legally bypass the US workforce. Most tech workers see this bypass and confront this bypass when they are looking for jobs. But most recent college grads will never see or confront this issue because they will never be considered for jobs their degrees qualify them to do.

This is the power of employment discrimination. This issue will be part of a national conversation on comprehensive immigration reform if we tell the truth about our own circumstances.

Businessweek will be posting their article on H-1b exploitation on Wednesday. Join me to discuss why the "culture of bypass" is the necessary precondition to create the "culture of exploitation."

Scheduled Conference Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009
Scheduled Start Time: 07:15 PM Central Daylight Time
Scheduled End Time: 07:55 PM Central Daylight Time

Type of Conference: Standard
Dial-in Number: 1-219-509-8111
Participant Access Code: 798504


Reservation:
NO, just dial in at 7:15pm Central

Text of Email Sent Last Week:

This culture of exploitation among IT labor contractors could not occur without the legal protections to bypass the US workforce. This is why the corporations are fighting hard to defend this protection and defeat the Durbin bill (S. 887).

Readers may not make the connection between this corporate malfeasance and the bypass of qualifed citizens and green card holders - but your posts can. Make sure your posts mention the Durbin bill (S.887).

Here's some talking points on corporate protections affored by visa programs:

* The H-1b corporate visa program is responsible for these crimes because it protects corporations from ever considering local talent and opening the door to this culture of exploitation. Passing the Durbin bill will end this culutre of exploitation.
* Protectionist measures in the current corporate visa programs are poisoning the IT industry - no corporation should be protected from the consequences of discriminatory hiring practices.
* American labor laws and EEO have had a powerful impact on American society. These visa programs protect corporations from employing a workforce that knows their rights and can exercise them. That's why corporations don't want the Durbin bill (S. 887) to pass.
* Far from protecting the US workforce, the Durbin bill (S.887) will give us a chance to compete for job openings in our own country, thus preventing these corporate crimes.
* It's the responsibilty of the federal government to ensure that we have the freedom to compete- and we will get this freedom to compete when S.887 passes.
* If these companies were required to seek local talent first, these shakedowns would virtually disappear.
* The discriminatory practice of recruiting abroad for US job openings now breeds a form of exploitation unimaginable to 21st century Americans. These cheats could never swindle Americans this way.

Our posts promoting the Durbin bill will be watched -- and measured -- by Congressional supporters of the Durbin bill and all of the players who will be at the table when this issue comes up in the fall.

Your posts supporting the bill and defending American labor and talent will let all the players know that American IT professionals are standing up for what they want and shaping the circumstances of our lives.

Donna Conroy
Director
www.brightfuturejobs.com
dmconroy@sbcglobal.net

[Winner]

Oh my god.....Really? is the ice cold there?

[ronhira]

doggy, (what a name) u just signed-up and this is your first post..... r u an agent of anti-immigrant website doing their media campaign :cool:


Check Anti Antis: Conference call: To teach Antis how to post!!! (http://anti-antis.blogspot.com/2009/07/conference-call-to-teach-antis-how-to.html)
Conference Call on Effective Posting - tomorrow, July 21st at 7:15pm

How to Post for Maximum Impact
Conference Call tomorrow night, 7:15pm Central

Labor Day marks the beginning of national discussions on the corporate visa programs that allow companies to legally bypass the US workforce. Most tech workers see this bypass and confront this bypass when they are looking for jobs. But most recent college grads will never see or confront this issue because they will never be considered for jobs their degrees qualify them to do.

This is the power of employment discrimination. This issue will be part of a national conversation on comprehensive immigration reform if we tell the truth about our own circumstances.

Businessweek will be posting their article on H-1b exploitation on Wednesday. Join me to discuss why the "culture of bypass" is the necessary precondition to create the "culture of exploitation."

Scheduled Conference Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009
Scheduled Start Time: 07:15 PM Central Daylight Time
Scheduled End Time: 07:55 PM Central Daylight Time

Type of Conference: Standard
Dial-in Number: 1-219-509-8111
Participant Access Code: 798504


Reservation:
NO, just dial in at 7:15pm Central

Text of Email Sent Last Week:

This culture of exploitation among IT labor contractors could not occur without the legal protections to bypass the US workforce. This is why the corporations are fighting hard to defend this protection and defeat the Durbin bill (S. 887).

Readers may not make the connection between this corporate malfeasance and the bypass of qualifed citizens and green card holders - but your posts can. Make sure your posts mention the Durbin bill (S.887).

Here's some talking points on corporate protections affored by visa programs:

* The H-1b corporate visa program is responsible for these crimes because it protects corporations from ever considering local talent and opening the door to this culture of exploitation. Passing the Durbin bill will end this culutre of exploitation.
* Protectionist measures in the current corporate visa programs are poisoning the IT industry - no corporation should be protected from the consequences of discriminatory hiring practices.
* American labor laws and EEO have had a powerful impact on American society. These visa programs protect corporations from employing a workforce that knows their rights and can exercise them. That's why corporations don't want the Durbin bill (S. 887) to pass.
* Far from protecting the US workforce, the Durbin bill (S.887) will give us a chance to compete for job openings in our own country, thus preventing these corporate crimes.
* It's the responsibilty of the federal government to ensure that we have the freedom to compete- and we will get this freedom to compete when S.887 passes.
* If these companies were required to seek local talent first, these shakedowns would virtually disappear.
* The discriminatory practice of recruiting abroad for US job openings now breeds a form of exploitation unimaginable to 21st century Americans. These cheats could never swindle Americans this way.

Our posts promoting the Durbin bill will be watched -- and measured -- by Congressional supporters of the Durbin bill and all of the players who will be at the table when this issue comes up in the fall.

Your posts supporting the bill and defending American labor and talent will let all the players know that American IT professionals are standing up for what they want and shaping the circumstances of our lives.

Donna Conroy
Director
Bright Future Jobs (http://www.brightfuturejobs.com)
dmconroy@sbcglobal.net

[rockstart]

They are just pointing to one side of story. Yes H1B program has been massively misused by corporations and LLC's ( This includes L1 visa). Yes they have injected huge foreigh labor into US markets (till 2004 it was 120K I beleive and now it is at 80K with L1 extra).

But then there is other side of the story. Look at the competativeness of US companies due to these workers. Look at the massive amount of e-commerece, B2C and B2B commerce that was possible because of the work that these workers have done. Yes it reduced labor cost's and increased the pool of talent that employer could chose from. But then labor cost's were always conforming to DOL laws & prewailing wages for each occassion for most cases ( except few bad eggs, which I beleive was very small percentage of this program). So wages argument is not as valid as it looks if anti' s feel wages have been less they need to ask DOL to increase prevailing wages to what they feel is right but then that will make all these innovations extremely expensive and companies will face budget constraints and feel less inclined to try new things. That will make US less competative globally.

[doggy]

doggy, (what a name) u just signed-up and this is your first post..... r u an agent of anti-immigrant website doing their media campaign :cool:

:-)
If I was anti immigrant, why would I post the information about the "Secret meeting of the Antis" in this forum?

I suggest people here join the conference call and post back the findings. I'll be a little busy around that time.
:D

[kosb]

Check Anti Antis: Conference call: To teach Antis how to post!!! (http://anti-antis.blogspot.com/2009/07/conference-call-to-teach-antis-how-to.html)
Conference Call on Effective Posting - tomorrow, July 21st at 7:15pm
Businessweek will be posting their article on H-1b exploitation on Wednesday. Join me to discuss why the "culture of bypass" is the necessary precondition to create the "culture of exploitation."


So this confirms FIRMLY that antis and BusinessWeek are working in tandem against legal immigration reform. Sometime back.. I read that BusinessWeek is for sale.. by McGraw Hill (its parent company). I wish.. that sale happens soon and let common sense prevail. Probably they are trying too hard to shore up their subscriber base by evoking the last resort.. creating sensation with meaningless issues.

[kartikiran]

This I hope will convince more people to join and align themselves with IV's activities than going in their seperate ways.

Most of us will have ideas, but agreed with a consensus we should let IV Core decide on a set of activities and hopefully more members embrace it.

We can never control what anti's think or how immigrants are viewed etc. We ignore others and we fight for what we think is a just measure.

Look within ourselves than looking at others.

I hope more people embrace IV(monetarily, physically, morally) for us to be able to bring volume into our side of the arguments.

Thanks.

[JakeLeone]

Hi,

If you check the bright future jobs website, you will not find any reference to such a "Call".

Beware, calling the number might expose your phone number, and you might become a victim.

Please be aware law enforcement has been notified, if anyone encounters any problems as a result, please contact law enforcement.

I hope the deranged person who originally posted the message can receive help soon.

BTW, if "Antis" is your calling card (it's rarely used in reference to those participating in the immigration debate) you might have exposed yourself a little too much.

[doggy]

Hi,

If you check the bright future jobs website, you will not find any reference to such a "Call".

Beware, calling the number might expose your phone number, and you might become a victim.

Please be aware law enforcement has been notified, if anyone encounters any problems as a result, please contact law enforcement.

I hope the deranged person who originally posted the message can receive help soon.

BTW, if "Antis" is your calling card (it's rarely used in reference to those participating in the immigration debate) you might have exposed yourself a little too much.


:-). Good try. Well, anybody can hide their number using the *67 !!

Ask Donna. It went on her Bright Future Jobs email list, not on the site. It's supposed to be a secret call of the Antis.

I have been fighting the Anti-immigrant propaganda for a long time, okay? Just because I created a new nym to hide my actual identity doesn't mean what I post is untrue.

Of course, unless you are trying to divert people. :-). You took all the trouble of creating a new ID to denounce this? Surprising.

By the way, folks. The number is not a private number. I did a google search on the number, and looks like it's used by a lot of people for hosting conference calls. Probably some kind of service.
http://www.google.com/search?q=(219)+509-8111

See you there.

[saketkapur]

Well I guess one way to make a point is by having a fax, letter and email campaign to let Businessweek know that they will be boycotted.
The other thing to do is get Businessweek declared into a racist publication and every blog entry should mention it so that any google search should bring mention the same.

We need to plug the pieholes from which this crap flows.......

[doggy]

And you have to fight the Antis online too. I have been doing it for years.

Now they are getting a conference call to "teach" them how to spread propaganda in the comments section of newspapers and blogs!!!

You'll be surprised how racist they are towards Chinese and Indian people, especially when they are discussing amongst themselves in private forums. Not only that, they even malign any sane level-headed Caucasian American who speaks out against their approach.

[DoggyStyle]

The host would ask u to introduce yourself and ur phone
number. Ur accent and name expose yourself. They record ur info and deport u if u r on h1b. Antis know a lot of h1b get layoff lately.

Be careful, it would be a prank call.

[ronhira]

hey asshole, stop posting these idiotic messages using different ids..... no one is scared of this shit.... if you really don't want people to call.... stop posting this bullshit..... otherwise people will call in.... and u can't do a jack shit about it..... if u r for real and u think anyone here is scared of this shit...... u r just old school which means u need basic lessons of what's going on in this world ..... probably that's y even slumdogs can take u'r job and u r unemployed.... just image, if according to u "slumdogs" like us can take u'r job.... what does that make you.... worst than a slumdog.... maybe poop of slumdog... do u have any shame..... stop spamming now.....

no one here cares for u'r stupid call of bunch of slumdog poops ..... u'r impotent and u'll continue to be impotent.... go to hell.... with luv from a slumdog


The host would ask u to introduce yourself and ur phone
number. Ur accent and name expose yourself. They record ur info and deport u if u r on h1b. Antis know a lot of h1b get layoff lately.

Be careful, it would be a prank call.

[nousername]

Hey Ronhira, I really enjoyed reading your reply.. I really don't care about this so called call but your reply simply made me smile. Thanks...


hey asshole, stop posting these idiotic messages using different ids..... no one is scared of this shit.... if you really don't want people to call.... stop posting this bullshit..... otherwise people will call in.... and u can't do a jack shit about it..... if u r for real and u think anyone here is scared of this shit...... u r just old school which means u need basic lessons of what's going on in this world ..... probably that's y even slumdogs can take u'r job and u r unemployed.... just image, if according to u "slumdogs" like us can take u'r job.... what does that make you.... worst than a slumdog.... maybe poop of slumdog... do u have any shame..... stop spamming now.....

no one here cares for u'r stupid call of bunch of slumdog poops ..... u'r impotent and u'll continue to be impotent.... go to hell.... with luv from a slumdog

[DoggyStyle]

Before you call, enjoy:

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[doggy]

Hey Ronhira, I really enjoyed reading your reply.. I really don't care about this so called call but your reply simply made me smile. Thanks...

You are right. I was on the call, and they only blathered about some Job ADS that specify "H1 Only" or something. THey have an rss feed going on the left side of the brightfuturejobs site, and they want the Antis to post en masse about how these jobs violate their rights.

The push is to get the Durbin bill passed. And they want to use these posts as "historical evidence" or some crap like that.

Pretty much BS. What a waste.
I think there were probably 10-15 people who joined. But I could identify 4/5 separate individuals. So, probably rest of them were Indians.

[ronhira]

this guy doggystyle piss me off, i had other things to do and was not going to attend, but he made sure that i attend and expose incompetency of these impotent people. bottom line - donna wants to be the one to testify to the congress, she wants to be famous. others are idiots and can't see this. here is what happened - total waste of time. doddy is right, could not hear more than 5 distinct voices, they use different ids to make it appear that the whole world is anti immigrant, they even said that on the call, bunch of losers

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donna – put in talking points for each article.
kevin – don’t want to look artificial
donna – yes, no copying pasting,
don’t want to put ourself apart from other american in it . the good thing is republicans are on the message and this is what democrats don’t know how to do. democrats are very articulate, but do not stay on the message
core point of the talking points, want to attack h1b only, that’s the core – we are fighting to apply in jobs in our own country
remember, the business week will post link to these h1b only wanted ads
you will not see an american who’ll be happy to see these ads
goto Bright Future Jobs (http://www.brghtfuurejob.com)
durbin bill will not do enough, will only prevent these h1s to come here. but after durbin bill pass, anyone can send this job. in order to apply for a job in nj one has to through pune, india. they ask new h1b to sign bond contract, and if they leave before 18 months, they will ask to pay the fee. this is bond contract which is illegal in america since long time.
kevin – ha ha ha indentured servants
donna – exactly, ha ha, and durbin will prevent this bond contract, if u click on h1b wanted ads
#7 ads says no degree required
#8 ads this is a govt. contract and the company is minority owned - the reason we attack minority owned or woman owned company is, it’s difficult to get this status and they are violating the spirit in which they got the minority status. there is a large number of unemployed h1b, the corporation made a solemn commitment to the us americans, government and to the foreign nationals – the corporations made the commitment to pay the individual and if they let them go or fire, they fly them home. what is going on is aila is recommending to companies that they essentially intimidate h1b when they let them go, making them sign a letter that they refuse to take ticket to fly back home. this is very very important for us to know and attack
one thing that most people don’t know - the indentured comes from the bond contract – the guest workers, h1b, will be never be deported, because, under the law, theoretically, they r never suppose to become illegal. the only people who r deportable r illegals.
some lady voice – this is not a civil and not a criminal offense
donna – no, because it’s the fault of the cos, bcoz the company did not fly them home. and this is one issue that doesn’t get represented in the media. h1b – that doesn’t have job, most important thing to post is – attack that u don’t have job and can’t apply for job
the exploitation which bw is writing about can only occur when these companies can bypass us – the solution to this lies – when companies are forced to hire her
another stupid woman – yes, the it was invented here
kevin – yes, for green card, lawyers find ways around the process
donna – corporation is finding work around to hire american worker,

door bell rings… that stupid woman answering door and cause disturbance for 5 minutes, opening door, dog barking, bragging to the mail man about being on a big “conference call”….

donna - the unifying thing is – corporations are ignoring us to find legal ways to ignore us.
stupid woman - how to answer them on the forums
kevin – just basically reply, and reply, and we have overwhelming numbers on our side
when u see their comments, they have high volume for 1 or 2 days, and then they r gone. we continue to post comments sometimes use different ids and make it look like we are many of us.
donna – we r not going to win the posting game, we don’t want to win the posting game
we are positing similar information, and this alerts the journalist and we have to filter our messages, say we have 20 votes about the bypass of the talent, 20 points about the employment discrimination, we will alert discrimination whom we will refer to these articles,
nyt – article got 1000 posts, and passed to other online journals,
as soon as i started, 1 generalist quoted me and then got quoted more
so the journalist who wrote the article, and those who comes afterwards, they read the post, that is important. we want generalist to read our comments, that we cannot apply for the job, and there is employment discrimination
kevin – you can also send reporters direct emails, i emailed moira of bw - direct emails, and that’s how we got bw article
donna – remember we have a track. after labor day, this is going to be up for discussion, btw, don’t even replicate u’r opponents phrases or never repeat u’r opposition is saying about yourself, so don’t say that there is no qualified americans, say we have over abundance of skill talent, in other words over supply, never say shortage, because u’ll otherwise saying opposition’s message about you. doesn’t anybody… do we want to have a discussion on that.
kevin – we do not have to be dignified in our response
donna - there is not a human on this planet who will believe that there are “want” ads that say –americans need not apply – that will create outrage.
buddy – can i ask a question, i click on an add, it goes to indeed, so this is pulled from rss feed
buddy – so i have many friends on facebook, i can tell them about these ads.
donna – exactly, so the jobs r there but we cannot apply for those jobs. we have doj is making a ground breaking case between ‘employment right and it
silly woman – i’ve been it manager, and know many american who
btw – u’r emotional truth will move people. these people have over qualified beyond the job we are positing, and they do not get hired, and that’s the pattern. years ago, we barely know the material, and we learned on the job, and now it’s the other way around, we know it and we are over qualified
another stupid guy - they fake resumes, and they say on the resumes that they know about oracle rake and unix admin, but they don’t know anything
donna - we are laying the groundwork about the washington beltway mentality, if have to make it look like that employer deliberately pst ads
everyone here on the call has historical record, honest to god. i have a good news, we r standing up for ourself, to tell this story of bypassing the american talent, and that’s what brighfuture jobs is about. that’s what durbin bill will do for us. there are couple of people who will focus on foreign citizens. two things (1.) they will hear from us, and (2.) whether we need guest workers at all, will be taken by afl-cio will pick up. but what we will do, we have absolute unique role to play, we will explain how the culture the bypass impacts us, and the culture of exploitation impacts us. we r the only once in the country who can tell this. there is going to be a discussion in beltway about “whether”, but american worker and american it professionals
no one said that - no foreign worker can come here – that’s not the message – it’s the bypass and exploitation.
donna - no there will be a discussion about no foreign work can come
don’t ever say – h1b is when a qualified american worker can not be found. we have to say that h1b law is about the bypass the american worker – the “discussion” will be about commission – anybody heard about that. the unions are setting commission whether or not we need guest workers – theoretically, and we will come up with the stories, boots on the gound, to show them the data the fuel, makes sense? they can have their tea and whatever stuff, and we will bring the bonfire.
kevin – that nyt story about that google supposedly employee, we have to post messages there,
we have to say that – there will not be an american and naturalized citizen, who say -that its ok to exploitation. there is deep deep discussion about who is an american. alf_cio has broken the opposition, but they r talking theoretically, and we r giving boots on the ground –
employers r not giving us the opportunity to compete – it’s the responsibility of federal govt that we are able to compete.
buddy – most of these jobs are it. someone in background in it can pick up even if there is new technology, but we r shut out by people with lower skills
donna -you r wrong, u r not shut down by people with lower skills, but by corporations
buddy – say 4 h1b workers replacing 1 american workers, they network, and team up to help each other
donna - no, u can argue the cheap, that’s ok, but u cannot argue about losing the right to compete. americans love cheap labor, but we have to focus on americans not being able to compete, its not about low wages.
mike – if u’r real american u cannot work for the 3rd world rates
donna – if u’r real american, u’ll make that corporation compete for these jobs locally. if u want americans, u want to create competition amongst americans here.
when a blackman would work for 10 cents, and white man work for $10, they would choose whiteman, they choose whiteman – because they were
so if u want to argue about wages, that’s cool, u r telling people u’r competing for the job. but the focus has to be on the right to compete.
this guy rajiv was replaced by h1b when he was on h1b. ha ha ha (everyone laughs)
find an american who don’t think its ok to find the people to right to compete. we have not said this to the lawmakers. the moment we tell this to the lawmakers, they will be 100% on our side

[ronhira]

mike – what about some of the corporation r not american corp.
donna – it doesn’t matter. ha ha
mike – indian corporation is hiring indians,
donna – that’s right, but doesn’t matter where they come from, we have to tell that they r taking away from
what will happen is that they will cease to exist. tata has not applied for 1 h1b.
kevin – they get people on company2company transfer
donna – because durbin bill hit the nerve, that essentially, h1b is dead in water, now l1 is being scrutinized by uscis, so actually, these cos have to hire locally
we have to laying down tracks for – that the bypass of us citizens and gc holder creates the culture of exploitation – this is our version of best & brightest.
if you look at our opposition – best & brightest, remain competitive, so this is, i think we have really strong chance to stay on message. democrats are articulate but can’t stay on the message, but we can. i meant it people.
btw, compete america, gave up on job posting for 30 days from durbin bill. durbin bill not allow h1b on client site, so have to place americans on 3rd party cites, and 30 days to post a job on dol site for us. it’s the academic arena will choke, and there will be so many jobs for us in academic arena.
kevin –schumer idiot thinks rich people wall street but we in it cannot make more than 40,000.
barbara – someone will say 30 days – that will stop our mission critical project
donna – no it won’t happen compete america, gave up on job posting for 30 days, because we were able to fight back, and we r in a strong position. we have to push for our agenda to strengthen our position.
kevin – on durbin bill, who will testify in the committee hearing
donna – nobody knows
kevin – the message is fragmented, donna the first one to say, get on to the message
donna – the players and politicos, who will talk about this, there is a big group who called me last week,
barbara – yes, we r fertilizing the soil.
donna - there is a republican who wrote this book – who said – its not what we say its what they hear. when we say after labor day – we are fighting for our right to compete for the jobs – the unions around the country will go wow, say anything that we have to defeat them.
kevin – we put this on internet it will stay forever and people will see it.
donna – someone in dean campaign, is interested in helping us
kevin – we have to get sound bites on the news, mostly its ron hira or kim berry
mike – one can
donna – a large organization will put me in 1 of the hearing. let’s guarantee that, by showing our level of sophistication. so target h1b only wants ads, companies are recruiting abroad for american jobs.

have to checkout now, have to head out, thanks everyone, bye guys.

if we play our cards right, we maybe able to get our contingent for the hearing. well great, i’ll do it next september.

alright bye bye.
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waste of my 1 hour, will not my time ever on these losers, now i know why they can't keep the job that they have, and why they can't find a new job.....

[DoggyStyle]

I knew the call was a BS. I don't want to waste my prepaid calling card. Real job ads are hard to come by these days, and H1b job ads
don't exist any more.:D

[ronhira]

I knew the call was a BS. I don't want to waste my prepaid calling card. Real job ads are hard to come by these days, and H1b job ads
don't exist any more.:D

very smart??? asshole stfu, u guys talked everything u wanted and left the call satisfied and victorious. in reality, the call was cheap shit.... that's what it was worth.....

[ronhira]

hey meatloaf, what's uuuuuppppppppppp!!!!!!!
r u not going to post anything here, i though we were buddies.... me ... ronhira.... u meatloaf..... we all friends.... i not english speak.... u can tall..... teach me somthing.... u proof-e-soor

[doggy]

I knew the call was a BS. I don't want to waste my prepaid calling card. Real job ads are hard to come by these days, and H1b job ads
don't exist any more.:D

Yeh, right!!

[ronhira]

I knew the call was a BS. I don't want to waste my prepaid calling card. Real job ads are hard to come by these days, and H1b job ads
don't exist any more.:D

doggystyle,

here is a tip for next time, never threaten and intimidate other people and think that just because they r immigrants they r weak. law protects us all equally, and anytime u threaten, when i am around, just make sure it will have a negative affect....

if u want to talk i'll wait for your post, if u want to talk on the phone, i'll give u my number.... let me take out that element of fear from immigrants..... everyone is not intimidated by your posts.... i hope u get the message....

[DoggyStyle]

thank u for posting the conversation that I miss. that saves me few bucks. u have the nerve to dial in that other IVians don't
have. u r the hero. (dial-in-hero) :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[mhtanim]

So this confirms FIRMLY that antis and BusinessWeek are working in tandem against legal immigration reform. Sometime back.. I read that BusinessWeek is for sale.. by McGraw Hill (its parent company). I wish.. that sale happens soon and let common sense prevail. Probably they are trying too hard to shore up their subscriber base by evoking the last resort.. creating sensation with meaningless issues.

If the sale takes place, it probably will be bought by either a Chinese or Indian company. Some dumb anti-immigrationists will try to block legal migration every possible way when most of their companies are either taking jobs overseas or getting sold to foreign companies. Go and find the source of what has destroyed the economy and try to fix it. No foreigner has ruined the economy.

[DoggyStyle]

If the sale takes place, it probably will be bought by either a Chinese or Indian company. Some dumb anti-immigrationists will try to block legal migration every possible way when most of their companies are either taking jobs overseas or getting sold to foreign companies. Go and find the source of what has destroyed the economy and try to fix it. No foreigner has ruined the economy.

I agree. They just blame Indians for everything they fail.

[Devils_Advocate]

I have been following "Doggys" stuff and anti-anti blog for a while and know that he's not an anti for sure, and before anyone gets paranoid and accuses me of being "doggy" no sire i am not:p

[doggy]

I have been following "Doggys" stuff and anti-anti blog for a while and know that he's not an anti for sure, and before anyone gets paranoid and accuses me of being "doggy" no sire i am not:p

Thank you!!
Sometimes paranoia gets the better of us.

I have access to a lot of "extra" stuff, as you can tell from the blog. It has been a long and tiring fight, but someone has to do it.

RonHira did a pretty accurate transcript. The funniest part was the way Donna was talking to the folks there. It seemed very much like the way a PreSchool teacher talks to her class. She was speaking slowly, repeating stuff multiple times, adding extra emphasis on phrases (like "talking point") and repeating them. Then someone would suggest something and she will go "That is a perfect post", and then he/she will try to say something, and Donna would go "No No, what you said first was perfect, don't deviate".

I was feeling bad for the Antis.

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Gimme some green guys, now that I've proven I'm not an Anti.

[DoggyStyle]

Thank you!!
Sometimes paranoia gets the better of us.

I have access to a lot of "extra" stuff, as you can tell from the blog. It has been a long and tiring fight, but someone has to do it.



Ur blog is full of childish gossips from message boards, like 'extra', which are not useful for IVians.:(

[ronhira]

u know what i think, doggy, doggystyle and devils_advocate are all the same person, or they are anti-immigrants who are teaming up. admin may want to look at them closely... i would.... others can keep an eye on these guys too....

[Devils_Advocate]

u know what i think, doggy, doggystyle and devils_advocate are all the same person, or they are anti-immigrants who are teaming up. admin may want to look at them closely... i would.... others can keep an eye on these guys too....


u know what i think, you're a paranoid schizophrenic ( having someones else name doesnt help your cause either:p )

I think Pappu has had enough correspondence with me to know whether i am an anti or an anti-exposer :)

I seriously think you folks need to get a grip over yourselves, it quits being funny and turns ridiculous after a while.

[doggy]

u know what i think, doggy, doggystyle and devils_advocate are all the same person, or they are anti-immigrants who are teaming up. admin may want to look at them closely... i would.... others can keep an eye on these guys too....

RonHira,
I understand your cocern. However, do you really think an Anti will come to this board and post information about their conference HERE?
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Now, no Anti can come up with THAT, can they? ;-)
-Doggy

[PERM12]

This is un acceptable talk. Forum is to share - no one deny's it. ANTI or PRO - each can put their own thoughts...BUT not in the above said language

I hope we keep our dignity and self respect

[doggy]

This is un acceptable talk. Forum is to share - no one deny's it. ANTI or PRO - each can put their own thoughts...BUT not in the above said language

I hope we keep our dignity and self respect

Oh, the message was not intended for anybody. It was a way to prove that I'm not one of the Antis.

Sorry to offend you, or anybody else. I've removed it.