DREAM Act to be Reintroduced Tomorrow

[smuggymba]

WASHINGTON – Democrats are trying once again to advance legislation that would give some young illegal immigrants a chance to live legally in the U.S.

Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois plans to file a new DREAM Act bill on Wednesday. In the House, Rep. Howard Berman of California plans to file similar legislation.

Generally, to qualify the young immigrants must have a high school diploma or the equivalent and have spent two years in college or the military. They must have been under 16 when they arrived in the U.S.

At least one Republican, Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida, is co-sponsoring the House bill.

The bill filings would follow a speech Tuesday in Texas on immigration by President Barack Obama.

Read more: Democrats to try again on DREAM Act - FoxNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/10/democrats-try-dream-act/#ixzz1M3rtftS0)

[blacktongue]

I sincere hope Dream act pass. Illegal kids suffer more. Our suffer less. Parents made mistake. Why they pay?

[smuggymba]

I sincere hope Dream act pass. Illegal kids suffer more. Our suffer less. Parents made mistake. Why they pay?

thanks for your expert opinion:D

[sanz]

agree with black tongue... at least we are much better than their scenario

[gc_vbin]

Any idea if any of IV provisions (like recapture) being included in the bill?

[RollingStone12]

I sincere hope Dream act pass. Illegal kids suffer more. Our suffer less. Parents made mistake. Why they pay?

Shouldn't they ask this question to their parents ? Why should US pay for their mistake ?

[go_guy123]

WASHINGTON – Democrats are trying once again to advance legislation that would give some young illegal immigrants a chance to live legally in the U.S.

Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois plans to file a new DREAM Act bill on Wednesday. In the House, Rep. Howard Berman of California plans to file similar legislation.

Generally, to qualify the young immigrants must have a high school diploma or the equivalent and have spent two years in college or the military. They must have been under 16 when they arrived in the U.S.

At least one Republican, Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida, is co-sponsoring the House bill.

The bill filings would follow a speech Tuesday in Texas on immigration by President Barack Obama.

Read more: Democrats to try again on DREAM Act - FoxNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/10/democrats-try-dream-act/#ixzz1M3rtftS0)

All token stunt by Democratic party before 2012. Last time they failed in lame duck but with GOP in power even Latino groups are not energised by it

[gc_check]

Obama getting ready for 2012 Campaign !!!
(http://www.barackobama.com/get-involved)

[Suva]

I have the same question. Recapture bill can be added as an amendment. Is any of IV's provisions there in the bill?

Any idea if any of IV provisions (like recapture) being included in the bill?

[pappu]

I have the same question. Recapture bill can be added as an amendment. Is any of IV's provisions there in the bill?

No IV provision is in the bill.

For something to happen, each member needs to do their part by supporting this effort and taking part in action items. With so little support and initiative we cannot expect to match the kind of hard work DREAM act advocates have done.

If we need an amendment, we should be showing up for advocacy day or signing up for monthly contributions, volunteer our time, or doing any state chapter work by meeting local lawmaker offices regularly in groups. Dream Act folks have built a very strong network and advocacy effort that no politician can ignore. Go through the list of things they have been doing over the past few years and you can judge how much percentage we have as a community matched that effort. This is a reality and and ultimately it will be us that are responsible for no bill being passed in the last few years.

The community needs to do more than wasting time on the forums and trackers if they really want any bill to happen.

[thankgod]

I sincere hope Dream act pass. Illegal kids suffer more. Our suffer less. Parents made mistake. Why they pay?

Its your stupidity to talk like this.
Then what about the people who want to immigrate legally and stand in the line for many years.

If they do pass DREAM Act now, the same thing will releat again in 2016 or 2020 .

The solution is really to deport all the illegal immigrants and to tighten the borders.

We are the one who is paying taxes and every year and thousands of dollars insurance.

If you do them legal (Young Illegals). simply, they will collect their Food stamps and their unemployment wages happily.


See to improve the economy really , they need to give the green cards to young talented legal people. then people like me and you will buy a home here with out any fear. You dont send money any more to your own country.


Think twice before you give a statement.

I totally disagree with you.

[thankgod]

No IV provision is in the bill.

For something to happen, each member needs to do their part by supporting this effort and taking part in action items. With so little support and initiative we cannot expect to match the kind of hard work DREAM act advocates have done.

If we need an amendment, we should be showing up for advocacy day or signing up for monthly contributions, volunteer our time, or doing any state chapter work by meeting local lawmaker offices regularly in groups. Dream Act folks have built a very strong network and advocacy effort that no politician can ignore. Go through the list of things they have been doing over the past few years and you can judge how much percentage we have as a community matched that effort. This is a reality and and ultimately it will be us that are responsible for no bill being passed in the last few years.

The community needs to do more than wasting time on the forums and trackers if they really want any bill to happen.




Definitely it is time to Unite. If they are doing illegal immigrants legal citizens, why should not legal applied immigrants as Green card holders.

Do you think we need to start some thing like flower campaign or sending letters to president like that....

But it is the time to act. Now or Never..........

[ameerka_dream]

I sincere hope Dream act pass. Illegal kids suffer more. Our suffer less. Parents made mistake. Why they pay?

Please don't open your mouth...it really really stinks :)

[pnara2]

Focus should be on creating jobs. For that US needs to allow skilled legal immigrants to stay.

Agreed, not all legal immigrants will become enterpreneurs and create jobs but I still think that contribution from skilled workers is more to the economy and has a much larger impact than that of illegal migrants!

[EBX-Man]

Ahhh !!!! the junior members come out of the wood work with enthusiasm and fire. let us see how long this lasts !!!!, Only untIl the next VB I would assume

[gk_2000]

No IV provision is in the bill.

For something to happen, each member needs to do their part by supporting this effort and taking part in action items. With so little support and initiative we cannot expect to match the kind of hard work DREAM act advocates have done.

If we need an amendment, we should be showing up for advocacy day or signing up for monthly contributions, volunteer our time, or doing any state chapter work by meeting local lawmaker offices regularly in groups. Dream Act folks have built a very strong network and advocacy effort that no politician can ignore. Go through the list of things they have been doing over the past few years and you can judge how much percentage we have as a community matched that effort. This is a reality and and ultimately it will be us that are responsible for no bill being passed in the last few years.

The community needs to do more than wasting time on the forums and trackers if they really want any bill to happen.

Definitely it is time to Unite. If they are doing illegal immigrants legal citizens, why should not legal applied immigrants as Green card holders.

Do you think we need to start some thing like flower campaign or sending letters to president like that....

But it is the time to act. Now or Never..........

Another idea.. (this will require a small bunch of people only)

Let a group of 10-25 people tie themselves on chainballs and handcuffs (or fetters) and march 1 mile to the USCIS office. Get this event covered by media..
Hold banners like "Free us", "We want EAD", "i485 NOW" and raise a few slogans

In addition someone can dress as Uncle Sam and pretend to whip the prisoners..

[ramaonline]

Great idea... The only problem is that even the small group won't show up.
I volunteer to get whipped - Who will be Uncle Sam?


Another idea.. (this will require a small bunch of people only)

Let a group of 10-25 people tie themselves on chainballs and handcuffs (or fetters) and march 1 mile to the USCIS office. Get this event covered by media..
Hold banners like "Free us", "We want EAD", "i485 NOW" and raise a few slogans

In addition someone can dress as Uncle Sam and pretend to whip the prisoners....

[goel_ar]

I don't know why do we (EB community) support it?

1. There is no economic sense for DREAM act. You are going to make illegal people legal - without any much restrictions. How about kids of people who are waiting for their GCs (kids born in native country)? Don't you see any unfair treatment handed out to kids of legal immigrants.

2. Why not give them legal status until age of 18 or 21, then they must prove their worth to economy by going to F1 visa , h1 visa & using available path to immigration?

3. It is about re-uniting families - There are people struggling in legal immigration queue who want to unite with their families - parents - there is no provision in law or effort of making it possible.

This is all politics & I will never support it.

[nikamd]

Gaz,

Totally agree with you. We always think and hope grass is greener on the other side and in this case we may not realize now difficult it might be for these kids to have a normal life.

In our case by which I mean the EB community we have our own issues which for us would see the most important and of the highest priority. I am also in the same boat and think about it day in and day out. I just think about it and my actions to improve the situation have been insignificant. Hats off to you all for trying to improve the situation and contribute in changing the system.

[rahul2699]

No IV provision is in the bill.

For something to happen, each member needs to do their part by supporting this effort and taking part in action items. With so little support and initiative we cannot expect to match the kind of hard work DREAM act advocates have done.

If we need an amendment, we should be showing up for advocacy day or signing up for monthly contributions, volunteer our time, or doing any state chapter work by meeting local lawmaker offices regularly in groups. Dream Act folks have built a very strong network and advocacy effort that no politician can ignore. Go through the list of things they have been doing over the past few years and you can judge how much percentage we have as a community matched that effort. This is a reality and and ultimately it will be us that are responsible for no bill being passed in the last few years.

The community needs to do more than wasting time on the forums and trackers if they really want any bill to happen.

I agree that a lot needs to be done and our current efforts are definitely not at par with DREAM activists however i believe that some one from the community should take the initiative and i am pretty sure people will follw (atleast members can try to encourage effected people). Lot of folks are expressing interest in volunteer activities etc on the forum and i think we should utilize the enthusiasm..immigration is definitely one of the hot topics now and i think we should use thsi oppertunity to raise our concerns and make sure that some thing gets done for all legal immigrants. I like the idea that we need to have local state chapters/regional chapters to start meeting law makers however we need to make sure that these communities are active. When i joined IV forum, i was looking for an NJ chapter but the communities i saw are inactive for quite some time.

[thankgod]

Ahhh !!!! the junior members come out of the wood work with enthusiasm and fire. let us see how long this lasts !!!!, Only untIl the next VB I would assume

Come on Kid ..Grow up. This is is showing your childish behavior.

What makes you difference between Member and Junior Member. Why do you want to care about that.

If you wanna care about that really , we will make you CIO of this forum LOL.

I think I spent too much time for you.

[Suva]

You are absolutely right. I participated in IV's advocacy effort in Washington last year. But I regret that I could not do the same this year.


No IV provision is in the bill.

For something to happen, each member needs to do their part by supporting this effort and taking part in action items. With so little support and initiative we cannot expect to match the kind of hard work DREAM act advocates have done.

If we need an amendment, we should be showing up for advocacy day or signing up for monthly contributions, volunteer our time, or doing any state chapter work by meeting local lawmaker offices regularly in groups. Dream Act folks have built a very strong network and advocacy effort that no politician can ignore. Go through the list of things they have been doing over the past few years and you can judge how much percentage we have as a community matched that effort. This is a reality and and ultimately it will be us that are responsible for no bill being passed in the last few years.

The community needs to do more than wasting time on the forums and trackers if they really want any bill to happen.

[Honda]

DREAM ACT Is for only illegals not Legals...

Democrats are trying once again to advance legislation that would give some young illegal immigrants a chance to live legally in the U.S

[blacktongue]

Another idea.. (this will require a small bunch of people only)

Let a group of 10-25 people tie themselves on chainballs and handcuffs (or fetters) and march 1 mile to the USCIS office. Get this event covered by media..
Hold banners like "Free us", "We want EAD", "i485 NOW" and raise a few slogans

In addition someone can dress as Uncle Sam and pretend to whip the prisoners..

I have 2 questions. Why you think only I485 not greencard. Fight and get Greencard? Start protest self. Others join when one start. Why not you?

[blacktongue]

This is all politics & I will never support it.

Your support it your I will never support it no meaning. Cannot vote.

[EBX-Man]

I have 2 questions. Why you think only I485 not greencard. Fight and get Greencard? Start protest self. Others join when one start. Why not you?

That is because he does not have the drive and initiative that you have ...

[bobyal]

The bill text says there is NO fee and the applications need to be processed expedited.
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SEC. 10. EXPEDITED PROCESSING OF APPLICATIONS; PROHIBITION ON FEES.

Regulations promulgated under this Act shall provide that applications under this Act will be considered on an expedited basis and without a requirement for the payment by the applicant of any additional fee for such expedited processing.
--------------------------------------------

So once this bill passes, we can just forget about legal immigration applications for 2 ~3 years, until all illeagul and UNDOCUMENTED applications are processed.

This is going to effect all legal immigrant community, think about waiting for AP, EAD, H1B application and guess people might have to suffer loosing jobs while waiting for these applications processed.

[dealguy007]

The bill text says there is NO fee and the applications need to be processed expedited.
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SEC. 10. EXPEDITED PROCESSING OF APPLICATIONS; PROHIBITION ON FEES.

Regulations promulgated under this Act shall provide that applications under this Act will be considered on an expedited basis and without a requirement for the payment by the applicant of any additional fee for such expedited processing.
--------------------------------------------

So once this bill passes, we can just forget about legal immigration applications for 2 ~3 years, until all illeagul and UNDOCUMENTED applications are processed.

This is going to effect all legal immigrant community, think about waiting for AP, EAD, H1B application and guess people might have to suffer loosing jobs while waiting for these applications processed.

Hope they don't pass this bill and kick us back by 5 Years.

I don't see a relation between Obama saying ..... Cisco, Intel, Ebay started by Immigrants and DREAM. Those Immigrants he is referring to are from India/China and DREAM are from Mexico.
Am i missing something here?

[pappu]

The bill text says there is NO fee and the applications need to be processed expedited.
--------------------------------------------
SEC. 10. EXPEDITED PROCESSING OF APPLICATIONS; PROHIBITION ON FEES.

Regulations promulgated under this Act shall provide that applications under this Act will be considered on an expedited basis and without a requirement for the payment by the applicant of any additional fee for such expedited processing.
--------------------------------------------

So once this bill passes, we can just forget about legal immigration applications for 2 ~3 years, until all illeagul and UNDOCUMENTED applications are processed.

This is going to effect all legal immigrant community, think about waiting for AP, EAD, H1B application and guess people might have to suffer loosing jobs while waiting for these applications processed.

We as a community have not even done 5 % of the hard work that DREAM act advocates have done. So such provisions are well deserved by them for the hard work they have done. If we had done enough work for our provisions, there is no doubt our provisions would have seen the day. You need to do some search on all the DREAM act advocates have done in the last few years to reach where they are now. And then compare it our community effort and you will get the answers.

We recently had an advocacy day. How many of you contributed to it. We failed to even reach a modest budget goal for such a big event. So there is no point blaming undocumented. We need to first blame ourselves for doing nothing.

[smuggymba]

We as a community have not even done 5 % of the hard work that DREAM act advocates have done. So such provisions are well deserved by them for the hard work they have done. If we had done enough work for our provisions, there is no doubt our provisions would have seen the day. You need to do some search on all the DREAM act advocates have done in the last few years to reach where they are now. And then compare it our community effort and you will get the answers.

We recently had an advocacy day. How many of you contributed to it. We failed to even reach a modest budget goal for such a big event. So there is no point blaming undocumented. We need to first blame ourselves for doing nothing.

Only 200 ppl contributed and now 20 new memebers from July 2007 show up everyday in the prediction thread wanting to be current.

I believe there is a mini-advocacy in July - do we need to contribute for that. Any other details?

[bobyal]

We as a community have not even done 5 % of the hard work that DREAM act advocates have done. So such provisions are well deserved by them for the hard work they have done. If we had done enough work for our provisions, there is no doubt our provisions would have seen the day. You need to do some search on all the DREAM act advocates have done in the last few years to reach where they are now. And then compare it our community effort and you will get the answers.

We recently had an advocacy day. How many of you contributed to it. We failed to even reach a modest budget goal for such a big event. So there is no point blaming undocumented. We need to first blame ourselves for doing nothing.

I am not blaming any one. We as leagal immigrants spent money in taxes and uscis fees. They spent the money for the campaign and lobbying.

I do feel we spent more than their campaign in taxes and fees.

[rajuseattle]

Pappu,

Reality is DREAM act is directly connected to HISPANIC votes for Democrats, EB community doesnt have any VOTING rights, neither they get any support from the folks who are already GC/UScitizenship holders.

Once people are out of this GC mess, they all start talking about anti immigration and that's the reality, u go to any indian community around and see how much support you have from those folks who have GC/US citizenship.

[EBX-Man]

Pappu,

Reality is DREAM act is directly connected to HISPANIC votes for Democrats, EB community doesnt have any VOTING rights, neither they get any support from the folks who are already GC/UScitizenship holders.

Once people are out of this GC mess, they all start talking about anti immigration and that's the reality, u go to any indian community around and see how much support you have from those folks who have GC/US citizenship.

Hispanic community has unity. EB Community has factured groups, each intenet on their narrow goals and aspirations. There is no use commenting on and comparing Hispanic comunity with legal community. Every illegal fights for all the illegals where as every EB immigrant fights for himself and by extension his/her group be it preference category or country category

[smuggymba]

Hispanic community has unity. EB Community has factured groups, each intenet on their narrow goals and aspirations. There is no use commenting on and comparing Hispanic comunity with legal community. Every illegal fights for all the illegals where as every EB immigrant fights for himself and by extension his/her group be it preference category or country category

.................and EB community doesn't even donate 50 dollars for the advocacy event. Did you contribute now that you're giving a lecture.

[bobyal]

Pappu,

Reality is DREAM act is directly connected to HISPANIC votes for Democrats, EB community doesnt have any VOTING rights, neither they get any support from the folks who are already GC/UScitizenship holders.

Once people are out of this GC mess, they all start talking about anti immigration and that's the reality, u go to any indian community around and see how much support you have from those folks who have GC/US citizenship.

That brings a new point for IV leadership. In line with HISPANIC movement, can we take/seek help from various associations of India/China like the ones in link Indian Associations in the US : NRI Desi Associations in USA : India Social, Cultural, Religious Organisations (http://www.thokalath.com/North-America/Indo-American-Community.php)

[indo_obama]

The Dream act is supposed to happen only in your dreams.... Keep Dreaming:eek:

[brawn81]

Obama playing games with immigration - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/12/navarrette.immigration.obama/index.html?hpt=T2)

[waitingnwaiting]

That brings a new point for IV leadership. In line with HISPANIC movement, can we take/seek help from various associations of India/China like the ones in link Indian Associations in the US : NRI Desi Associations in USA : India Social, Cultural, Religious Organisations (http://www.thokalath.com/North-America/Indo-American-Community.php)

Who is we?
why not you try to contact them?

[waitingnwaiting]

Pappu,

Reality is DREAM act is directly connected to HISPANIC votes for Democrats, EB community doesnt have any VOTING rights, neither they get any support from the folks who are already GC/UScitizenship holders.

Once people are out of this GC mess, they all start talking about anti immigration and that's the reality, u go to any indian community around and see how much support you have from those folks who have GC/US citizenship.

I agree.
Citizens want to either start consulting companies and get H1B employees or want to stop more Indians coming. More Indians mean less jobs for their children.
Green card holders do not even want to be friends with H1B.
H1B do not want to be friends with F1.

H1 girls want to be married to citizen or Green card holders. Or someone with EB2 PD.

Green card IV members do not even want to come back here.

[EBX-Man]

I agree.
Citizens want to either start consulting companies and get H1B employees or want to stop more Indians coming. More Indians mean less jobs for their children.
Green card holders do not even want to be friends with H1B.
H1B do not want to be friends with F1.

H1 girls want to be married to citizen or Green card holders. Or someone with EB2 PD.

Green card IV members do not even want to come back here.


And your point is ...............................????

[new2gc]

Hope they don't pass this bill and kick us back by 5 Years.

I don't see a relation between Obama saying ..... Cisco, Intel, Ebay started by Immigrants and DREAM. Those Immigrants he is referring to are from India/China and DREAM are from Mexico.
Am i missing something here?

Nothing but election stunt....trying for another trap.

[thankgod]

The Dream act is supposed to happen only in your dreams.... Keep Dreaming:eek:

Thats a good one. Completely accepting.

[smuggymba]

DREAM Act Loses Republican Cosponsor Richard Lugar



WASHINGTON -- Senate Democrats reintroduced the DREAM Act on Wednesday without the co-sponsorship of Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), who had previously been one of the bill's strongest backers.

The legislation would allow some undocumented young people to become U.S. citizens and has been introduced repeatedly over the years with Lugar and Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) as the cosponsors. The most recent vote on the DREAM Act was in December, when it fell five votes short of bypassing a filibuster. Lugar was one of just three Republicans to vote for the measure.

In a statement, Lugar spokesman Mark Helmke blamed Democrats for turning immigration into a partisan issue.

"President Obama's appearance in Texas framed immigration as a divisive election issue instead of attempting a legitimate debate on comprehensive reform," wrote Helmke. "Ridiculing Republicans was clearly a partisan push that effectively stops a productive discussion about comprehensive immigration reform and the DREAM Act before the 2012 election."

In his Tuesday speech at the Mexico-U.S. border, Obama pointed the finger at Republicans for moving the goal posts on immigration reform. The president argued that his administration has gone out of its way to accommodate their requests.

"Maybe they'll say we need a moat. Or alligators in the moat," Obama joked, referring to the GOP. "They'll never be satisfied. And I understand that. That's politics."

Helmke said Lugar's staff told Democrats that the Indiana senator supported the initiative, but he wanted them to work on getting more Republican support. Lugar's spokesman claims that not only did Democrats not do that, but they set up a press conference to announce the reintroduction of the DREAM Act before the Lugar had made his final decision not to cosponsor. Democrats, however, said that it was clear for months that Indiana Republican wasn't going to cosponsor the bill at this time.

[smuggymba]

DREAM Act Re-introduced in the Senate


A day after President Obama gave a speech on immigration, Senators Richard Durbin, Harry Reid, Robert Menendez and 30 others re-introduced the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act that would allow young undocumented people to apply for legal status if they join the military or attend college for two years.

Each year about 65,000 undocumented students who were brought to the U.S. by their parents, often as very young children, graduate from high school and face a bleak future because of their status. Last fall, despite President Obama’s strong support, the DREAM Act passed the House but failed to attract the 60 votes needed to end a Senate filibuster.

Chung-Wha Hong, executive director of the New York Immigration Coalition welcomed the move, but pointed out that the bill faces a slim chance in the current Congress and said the President should use the authority of his office to protect young undocumented immigrants.

[gc_check]

DREAM Act continues to be a "Dream" @least for now !!!

[gk_2000]

Let's hope for a speedy death for this abomination ... speedy death means issue over before elections/voting

[indo_obama]

I agree.
Citizens want to either start consulting companies and get H1B employees or want to stop more Indians coming. More Indians mean less jobs for their children.
Green card holders do not even want to be friends with H1B.
H1B do not want to be friends with F1.

H1 girls want to be married to citizen or Green card holders. Or someone with EB2 PD.

Green card IV members do not even want to come back here.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
agree 100% .....thats us indians ... a real selfish lot

[bugsbunny]

If you want to help IV and in turn help yourself
step 1. setup atleast $25 recurring contribution to IV and become a Donor.
step 2. participate in your state chapter
if its not active ...make it active
step 3. coordinate with other volunteers and help with media outreach
or meet your local lawmakers along with fellow IV members to talk about our issues.

sure there are plenty of things IV could do better but it cannot happen without your active participation. People who get greened will leave cause they do have better things to do than to toil on for people who don't even appreciate their efforts on here. Some who are noble stick around to help.

If you are complaining that there is no bill to help legal immigrants then ask yourself...Have you done your part in pushing for it?

[gk_2000]

I have 2 questions. Why you think only I485 not greencard. Fight and get Greencard? Start protest self. Others join when one start. Why not you?

A beggar only thinks of bread and never cake.

Do you think it will have any impact if I do it alone and no one covers it? It will be noticed only if a group does it, and it is covered in local media at least

Why dont you also volunteer?

[gk_2000]

I sincere hope Dream act pass. Illegal kids suffer more. Our suffer less. Parents made mistake. Why they pay?

Why dont you start a campaign? What use posting on forum?

[sage2006]

Exactly. Its a waste of time reading or following about this DREAM act v2.0.
All indications are that it is going nowhere and is just political posturing.
Let's hope for a speedy death for this abomination ... speedy death means issue over before elections/voting