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Suva
05-26-2011, 11:34 AM
Washington (CNN) -- The Supreme Court has backed an Arizona law that punishes businesses hiring illegal immigrants, a law that opponents, including the Obama administration, say steps on traditional federal oversight over immigration matters.

The 5-3 ruling Thursday is a victory for supporters of immigration reform on the state level.

It was the first high court challenge to a variety of recent state laws cracking down on illegal immigrants, an issue that has become a political lightning rod.

The outcome could serve as a judicial warm-up for a separate high-profile challenge to a more controversial Arizona immigration reform law working its way through lower courts. That statute would, among other things, give local police a greater role in arresting suspected illegal immigrants.

The hiring case turned on whether state law tramples on federal authority.

"Arizona has taken the route least likely to cause tension with federal law," wrote Chief Justice John Roberts. "It relies solely on the federal government's own determination of who is an unauthorized alien, and it requires Arizona employers to use the federal government's own system for checking employee status."

Arizona passed the Legal Arizona Workers Act in 2007, allowing the state to suspend the licenses of businesses that "intentionally or knowingly" violate work-eligibility verification requirements. Companies would be required under that law to use E-Verify, a federal database to check the documentation of current and prospective employees. That database had been created by Congress as a voluntary, discretionary resource.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce filed a lawsuit against the state, arguing federal law prohibits Arizona and other states from making E-Verify use mandatory. The group was supported by a variety of civil rights and immigration rights groups. The state countered that its broad licensing authority gives it the right to monitor businesses within its jurisdiction.

The Obama administration recommended a judicial review, and sided with businesses and civil rights groups.

A 1986 federal act significantly limited state power to separately regulate the hiring and employment of "unauthorized" workers. An exception was made for local "licensing and similar laws." Under the law, employees are required to review documentation to confirm someone's right to work in the United States, including checking the familiar I-9 immigration form. Civil and criminal penalties were strengthened, but businesses making a "good faith" effort to comply with I-9 procedures were generally immune from prosecution.

Roberts, backed by his four conservative colleagues, said "Arizona went the extra mile in ensuring that its law tracks (the federal law's) provisions in all material aspects."

In dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor noted E-Verify is a voluntary program, and said criticism that the federal government is not doing enough to enforce the law is irrelevant.

"Permitting states to make use of E-Verify mandatory improperly puts states in the position of making decisions ... that directly affect expenditure and depletion of federal resources," she wrote. Justices Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg also dissented.

Justice Elena Kagan did not participate in the case, since she had been the administration's solicitor general last year when the case was being appealed to the high court.

Gov. Jan Brewer had backed the law, telling CNN in December when the case was argued, "The bottom line is that we believe that if the (federal) government isn't going to do the job then Arizona is going to do the job. We are faced with a crisis."

This case could serve as a bellwether to how the court will view a larger, more controversial state immigration law from Arizona. Much of that statute was tossed out by a federal judge in August and is currently pending at a federal appeals court. It would, among other things, give police authority to check a person's immigration status if officers have a "reasonable suspicion" that the individual is in the country illegally.

The hiring case is Chamber of Commerce v. Whiting (09-115).

Source: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/26/scotus.arizona.law/index.html?hpt=T1)

h1techSlave
05-27-2011, 07:52 AM
It is getting tougher to break laws now a days. And it is only getting worse.

I feel sorry for all the law breakers. Do you meant to say, they will be forced to abide by the law going forward? That will be a disaster for them.

Tell me again, how will an honest bad guy survive in this climate?

ram04
05-27-2011, 09:42 AM
I heard the oral arguments yesterday in C Span regarding this.

The Solicitor general of AZ justified with better arguments.
The other attorneys ( chamber of commerce & one representing immigrants) representing could not justify many questions posed by judges & Chief Justice John Roberts.

snathan
05-27-2011, 10:49 AM
It is getting tougher to break laws now a days. And it is only getting worse.

I feel sorry for all the law breakers. Do you meant to say, they will be forced to abide by the law going forward? That will be a disaster for them.

Tell me again, how will an honest bad guy survive in this climate?

If he is honest, why he is bad..?
:(

gk_2000
05-27-2011, 12:43 PM
If he is honest, why he is bad..?
:(

Sarcasm, dude ..

But really, sometimes I feel laws only create more criminals. For example, it is a criminal misdemeanor not to fill up AR11 within 10 days of moving. I mean like, come on! You cant brand me a criminal for a small oversight like that! While I accept, it is there to deter illegal stayers, but it penalizes the innocents who just happen to be a little lax

Goodintentions
05-27-2011, 03:43 PM
Dear All,

This is indeed a welcome step!

First of all entering a country illegally is wrong. It is a crime. After committing an illegal act, seeking protection by talking about civil rights, liberty etc is absolutley unfair. Every country has a right to enforce its borders.

Will it be ok if 10 million Pakistanis enter India, stay and work illegally? Please pause to think. Let us be fair!

Might is not right! Just because the illegals have a HUGE NO. they are arm twisting the government and also holding people like you and I to ransom. They are the ones who are preventing anything good happening to us. I am least bothered about what they do, till it affects the legal immigrants.

Why should we fall under the ambit of the CIR? In what way did we violate the process? The issue is simple ---> The illegals have all the money,muscle and vote power but 0% of the law on their side! In our case we have neither the money, nor the muscle or vote power, but have 100% of the law on our side.

I only hope Arizone wins the major legal battle too!

GOD bless the legal immigrant community!!!

cbpds
05-29-2011, 12:58 AM
Well said !!

Dear All,

This is indeed a welcome step!

First of all entering a country illegally is wrong. It is a crime. After committing an illegal act, seeking protection by talking about civil rights, liberty etc is absolutley unfair. Every country has a right to enforce its borders.

Will it be ok if 10 million Pakistanis enter India, stay and work illegally? Please pause to think. Let us be fair!

Might is not right! Just because the illegals have a HUGE NO. they are arm twisting the government and also holding people like you and I to ransom. They are the ones who are preventing anything good happening to us. I am least bothered about what they do, till it affects the legal immigrants.

Why should we fall under the ambit of the CIR? In what way did we violate the process? The issue is simple ---> The illegals have all the money,muscle and vote power but 0% of the law on their side! In our case we have neither the money, nor the muscle or vote power, but have 100% of the law on our side.

I only hope Arizone wins the major legal battle too!

GOD bless the legal immigrant community!!!

hiralal
05-29-2011, 06:18 AM
Dear All,

This is indeed a welcome step!

First of all entering a country illegally is wrong. It is a crime. After committing an illegal act, seeking protection by talking about civil rights, liberty etc is absolutley unfair. Every country has a right to enforce its borders.

Will it be ok if 10 million Pakistanis enter India, stay and work illegally? Please pause to think. Let us be fair!

Might is not right! Just because the illegals have a HUGE NO. they are arm twisting the government and also holding people like you and I to ransom. They are the ones who are preventing anything good happening to us. I am least bothered about what they do, till it affects the legal immigrants.

Why should we fall under the ambit of the CIR? In what way did we violate the process? The issue is simple ---> The illegals have all the money,muscle and vote power but 0% of the law on their side! In our case we have neither the money, nor the muscle or vote power, but have 100% of the law on our side.

I only hope Arizone wins the major legal battle too!

GOD bless the legal immigrant community!!!
The problem is the racial profiling and giving cops (who are clueless about immigration matters) the right to check immigration. I guess one can understand the problems only when you are stopped and asked for papers (say when you are on vacation in Arizona trying to enjoy but instead you are stopped by a cop with whatever motivation he has in his mind ...maybe he just decides to screw around with some colored people).
illegal immigration is bad ...but there are better ways to enforce it ..for one - tighten the screws on employers who hire illegals for pocketing the profits ..once the illegals know jobs are not there for them - they will stop coming illegally
I hope all those who support Arizona's laws are stopped by cops and asked to prove that they are legal in this country ..

hiralal
05-29-2011, 06:19 AM
Dear All,

This is indeed a welcome step!

First of all entering a country illegally is wrong. It is a crime. After committing an illegal act, seeking protection by talking about civil rights, liberty etc is absolutley unfair. Every country has a right to enforce its borders.

Will it be ok if 10 million Pakistanis enter India, stay and work illegally? Please pause to think. Let us be fair!

Might is not right! Just because the illegals have a HUGE NO. they are arm twisting the government and also holding people like you and I to ransom. They are the ones who are preventing anything good happening to us. I am least bothered about what they do, till it affects the legal immigrants.

Why should we fall under the ambit of the CIR? In what way did we violate the process? The issue is simple ---> The illegals have all the money,muscle and vote power but 0% of the law on their side! In our case we have neither the money, nor the muscle or vote power, but have 100% of the law on our side.

I only hope Arizone wins the major legal battle too!

GOD bless the legal immigrant community!!!
The problem is the racial profiling and giving cops (who are clueless about immigration matters) the right to check immigration. I guess one can understand the problems only when you are stopped and asked for papers (say when you are on vacation in Arizona trying to enjoy but instead you are stopped by a cop with whatever motivation he has in his mind ...maybe he just decides to screw around with some colored people).
illegal immigration is bad ...but there are better ways to enforce it ..for one - tighten the screws on employers who hire illegals for pocketing the profits ..once the illegals know jobs are not there for them - they will stop coming illegally
I hope all those who support Arizona's laws are stopped by cops and asked to prove that they are legal in this country ..BTW the supreme court is also tilted towards the right - so no surprises there

waitingnwaiting
05-29-2011, 10:25 AM
Which world are you living brother.
You are saying illegals have money, muscle and vote power.
Explain the three.
How can illegals have money. They are poor and not live in big homes and drive expensive cars like you legals.
How can illegals have muscle power? Are they more healthy than you. Legals have more money to eat healthy food.
How can illegals vote? They are not citizens.


You are also saying " In our case we have neither the money, nor the muscle or vote power, but have 100% of the law on our side"

So you are saying you legals have no money? All your US degrees and best and the brightest credentials are not of any use because you do not have money?
You are saying legals have no muscle. Are they weak or diseased?
You are saying they have no voting power. Only this part is correct. But what about getting support from employers and lawyers who help us with applications. Why can't we get support from them.

you are saying you have 100% law on your side. So why don't you fight legally. How many lawsuits legals have fought. I have not seen a single lawsuit. Its all talk talk talk. Legals are cowards. They can only talk on the forums. But they will spend time in indian temples or discount shopping and watching indian movies in spare time instead of doing anything for green card problem.


Dear All,

This is indeed a welcome step!

First of all entering a country illegally is wrong. It is a crime. After committing an illegal act, seeking protection by talking about civil rights, liberty etc is absolutley unfair. Every country has a right to enforce its borders.

Will it be ok if 10 million Pakistanis enter India, stay and work illegally? Please pause to think. Let us be fair!

Might is not right! Just because the illegals have a HUGE NO. they are arm twisting the government and also holding people like you and I to ransom. They are the ones who are preventing anything good happening to us. I am least bothered about what they do, till it affects the legal immigrants.

Why should we fall under the ambit of the CIR? In what way did we violate the process? The issue is simple ---> The illegals have all the money,muscle and vote power but 0% of the law on their side! In our case we have neither the money, nor the muscle or vote power, but have 100% of the law on our side.

I only hope Arizone wins the major legal battle too!

GOD bless the legal immigrant community!!!