House GOP Hints At Immigration Reform For Skilled Workers

[schumy_micheal]

Found this article in Huff Post. Looks like GOP is waking up and IV should support this initiative. First time hearing "Legal Immigration" not being mixed with other "Types".:)

House GOP Hints At Immigration Reform For Skilled Workers (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/02/republicans-house-immigration-reform-skilled-workers_n_870600.html)

[indo_obama]

good to see that finally the politicians are waking up to our plight

[DudleyDoRight]

It’s good to see that the GOP is beginning to recognize that the high-skilled immigration side badly needs fixing. In my opinion, if (and that is a big IF) the GOP passes a high-skilled immigration bill in the house, it’s the perfect way to put the democrats in the senate under the spot light. The democrats have combined high-skilled and low-skilled immigration reform into CIR and have refused to decouple the two. Now, with President Obama saying that he recognizes what highly skilled immigrants bring to the table, what will the senate democrats do? Will they stall a high-skilled immigration reform bill just because they want political power (assuming that the Hispanic community is against high-skilled immigration reform and pro family-based and low-skilled immigration reform) or will they recognize the economic and innovation needs of the country and do what is right for the country?

[1528boyz]

This is good news that first time washington is trying to look at skilled immigration as a different from unskilled immigration, hope they will identify the issues and come up with some solutions that will bring our endless wait times to a sensible wait time.

[planets]

Good to hear and Good to discuss.

But nobody knows when will the bring?

[hireamerican]

With over 9% unemployment, there is no need to sponsor anymore temporary guest workers. We need to retrain the unemployed to fill jobs.

[gk_2000]

With over 9% unemployment, there is no need to sponsor anymore temporary guest workers. We need to retrain the unemployed to fill jobs.

not 9%, but 4%. This is the IT sector. You are perhaps in the wrong forum. We never discuss about increasing the temporary guest workers here. That is NOT what immigration is. Hope I have been able to clue you in

[anilnag]

With over 9% unemployment, there is no need to sponsor anymore temporary guest workers. We need to retrain the unemployed to fill jobs.

You are abolutely misguided if you believe that 'Immigration reform for skilled workers' just means 'sponsoring more temporary guest workers'. Reform is needed if current policy is outdated and is not serving it's original intent in today's scenario.

No lawmaker will make a policy if it's not in the benefit of the country. High skilled immigration has been and will always be required for this country to remain competitive and ensure economic growth. If reform streamlines this process then what's wrong with that?

[prakashv44]

With over 9% unemployment, there is no need to sponsor anymore temporary guest workers. We need to retrain the unemployed to fill jobs.

Now Mr.Hireamerican will see 9% to 16%. Companies like Google will move workers to south asian countries. Atleast now immigrants in this country paying tax in USA.

Now good for the Asian countries like China and India. Hope that's good for Mr.Hireamerican

[belmontboy]

With over 9% unemployment, there is no need to sponsor anymore temporary guest workers. We need to retrain the unemployed to fill jobs.

To start with, i suggest those folks to get a STEM degree.
Comeback then

[immigrant2007]

Now Mr.Hireamerican will see 9% to 16%. Companies like Google will move workers to south asian countries. Atleast now immigrants in this country paying tax in USA.

Now good for the Asian countries like China and India. Hope that's good for Mr.Hireamerican

Immigration is always an emotional and tricky issue especially when immigrants gets chance to get good and well paid jobs.

[gk_2000]

I did mention the work 'retrain", didn't I ?

I work along side some of these so called hightech workers and know exactly what they do. Most jobs being filled by these so called high tech workers can be filled with US highschoolers.

Let me offer a perspective here

- Is it our fault, that we have been invited here to work? I assume no.

- We have served here for several years. We came into this country, young and extremely ambitious, and lofty dreams. Would you fault us for this?

- We carried on despite the frustrations we experienced due to bodyshoppers, in the hope that some day we would be rewarded for our sacrifices in terms of ambitions and dreams, watching the politicians play games with our careers.

Note that so far I have never said a word about "bringing in" more temporary workers..

- Now, all our group wants, is a simple promotion to the next stage, the greencard. This country talks about absorbing 12 million fence-jumpers, and yet we who are hardly 1 million get nary a word of mention. Why? We are here by ourselves; with no big politician or corporates on our side. Do you now understand us somewhat better?

And regarding your highschool remarks, there was no reason employers would not have used that option, if they shared your view and wanted "cheap" labor. Please keep these arguments where they belong, ie the illegal labor camp. If you are really convinced about your view then I invite you to put your money where your mouth is, and employ teenagers for your high-tech company

[gk_2000]

The US was doing fine until the H1bs swarmed the place after the year 2000.

Now why would a subway sandwich or a Dunkin Donut shop needs programmer analysts on H1b visas? These are cashiers masquerading as high tech workers. Enough already!!
We need to get rid of this program that is so corrupt it is beyond repair.

You are welcome to blow the whistle for cases like this -- we support legal immigration, not fraud. and BTW, were you trying to apply for a job in that dunkin donuts shop?

[joydiptac]

The US was doing fine until the H1bs swarmed the place after the year 2000.

Now why would a subway sandwich or a Dunkin Donut shop needs programmer analysts on H1b visas? These are cashiers masquerading as high tech workers. Enough already!!
We need to get rid of this program that is so corrupt it is beyond repair.

HireAmerican Dude,

If someone came in on an H1B and is working as you say in a subway sandwich or DD shop - that is illegal. Please report these people to USCIS. There may be 1% fraud and that is normal with any system. We are true Hi Tech workers in this forum. Most of us work in very reputable companies.

In recent months there is a shortage of good people in Hi Tech jobs. This is true.
As good as it may sound on paper and speeches, I can assure you, your highschoolers cannot be retrained to do these jobs, they need to be "re-colleged".
Unfortunately college ed is not affordable.

Life is not fair to US Citizens!

We Asians/Europeans pay almost nothing for college compared to US undergrad costs. IMO, US lawmakers should (1) make undergrad STEM ed tuition FREE in Govt Univs. (2) Have merit based STEM exam to filter the best and the brightest of US students to fill the STEM programmes.
Future of this country is bleak if the US lawmakers don't realize this. They are trying to band-aid a system without really searching for the underlying cause.
I am sure they have their reasons, and they may be right in their reactive actionary way of thinking. But IMO its far better use of taxpayer money to super-subsidize STEM ed compared to fighting wars in far-far-away countries.

Life is not fair to Hi tech workers either!

Some of us have to wait for a decade to 40 years to get a green card while others can get their green cards in 3 years. So you are thinking why should I care? Because we are the sweet spot in US Immigration. We are the innvators, company founders, job creators, basically the smart folks that make US great. The only regenerative component of this import everything economy. That's why.

BTW, There is really no need to get all excited. GOP is merely sweet talking and showing the carrot to increase the H1B quota. Campaign funding from Hi Tech companies is really the motive.

So dear HireAmerican, the politicians are neither your friends nor ours. :D
Cest la vie!

[looivy]

IV should delete this moron hireamerican's posts and deactivate his account and block IP. This guys is just saying non-sensical things.

[gk_2000]

IV should delete this moron hireamerican's posts and deactivate his account and block IP. This guys is just saying non-sensical things.

Patience, bro.. Lets not behave like those groups of anti's, at least not without proper dialog.

Yes, the anti's web-site is very quick to discard dissenting voices in order to spread more and more ignorant and false doctrines.

[hireamerican]

Indians pay only 4K for a degree, whereas an American degree costs over 100K. So for most American highschool graduates, it is prohibitively expensive to go to college.

And for those that do go to college and get an American college degree, they only know about getting a job at employer college campus interviews. They do not know the concept of padding resumes with fake experience.The IT field has become such that only Indians have access to cheap training with illegal copies of software. The Americans are largely kept out of this network and ultimately the jobs.

Hope that explains it.

[airbusfan]

hmm...., Hireamerican, I was kind of starting to respect your opinions. but, this was the stupidest comment anyone has made, have you ever stepped out of West side of Baltimore???

I agree with you about the fake resumes/fake payrolls etc., but closing down an entire program because of abuse by some is like chopping off your arm because your finger is sore.

Now go drink some koolaid


If one makes the conscious decision to move to another country, they are responsible for their action and the consequences.

Same goes with Americans. If you go to another country, do not assume anything. Make sure you do the right thing and you will be fine.

[airbusfan]

Indians pay only 4K for a degree, whereas an American degree costs over 100K. So for most American highschool graduates, it is prohibitively expensive to go to college.

And for those that do go to college and get an American college degree, they only know about getting a job at employer college campus interviews. They do not know the concept of padding resumes with fake experience.The IT field has become such that only Indians have access to cheap training with illegal copies of software. The Americans are largely kept out of this network and ultimately the jobs.

Hope that explains it.

Ofcourse, the college is expensive, but if government steps in to control the cost of education, you will be the first one to scream "Oh this is socialism" and "too much govt interference" etc.

Do you know why is getting a college degree so expensive?? And please don't tell me its because the education is better! I've gotten a completely free graduate education in engineering from a top university in USA, wonder who paid for it ??

[gk_2000]

Indians pay only 4K for a degree, whereas an American degree costs over 100K. So for most American highschool graduates, it is prohibitively expensive to go to college.

And for those that do go to college and get an American college degree, they only know about getting a job at employer college campus interviews. They do not know the concept of padding resumes with fake experience.The IT field has become such that only Indians have access to cheap training with illegal copies of software. The Americans are largely kept out of this network and ultimately the jobs.

Hope that explains it.

Not sure what you are trying to explain, and to whom. We here here to talk about greencard issues, and here comes this tangential thread. Usually threads like these end up deleted.

That said, I kind of understand what you say about fake experience. We have survived some of that + a lot other negative factors. We have made it on our own and survived several years with no godfathers, and believe in USA to provide a fair environment for all to prosper.

Do you or dont believe in your country's ability? Irrespectively, we do.

[hireamerican]

The argument to level the playfield for everyone is lost on you. I guess we could completely shut the outsiders and then we don't have worry about socialism yada yada, right?

[hireamerican]

It IS like taking care of a sore finger. There is NO taming this beast. It is too foregone.

We need to perhaps retain the EB-1 category and strengthen some of the other other visa programs.

[airbusfan]

The argument to level the playfield for everyone is lost on you. I guess we could completely shut the outsiders and then we don't have worry about socialism yada yada, right?

Well, if you shut out all the outsiders, the corporations would just off-shore the maximum amount of work they possibly can and then you're worse off than where you started.

The reason the playing field isn't equal is because Americans would rather be a doctor, lawyer or a Manager. Nobody wants to spend 100k (today) on a degree and earn 60-90k a year to start with! I would say, reform the education system so that the bachelors degree doesn't push people into bankruptcy and immigration system so that the people who you are complaining about wouldn't abuse the system.

[bugsbunny]

I did mention the work 'retrain", didn't I ?

I work along side some of these so called hightech workers and know exactly what they do. Most jobs being filled by these so called high tech workers can be filled with US highschoolers.

Were you aware that a big chunk of the fees for applying for an H1B visa goes towards prevention of fraud and scholarships for retraining

Around $2.3 billion has been raised from fiscal years 2000 to 2011 and is used to fund thousands of scholarships for US workers in the fields of Science and Math

Check out the American Competitiveness and Workforce Improvement Act which created this program.

so even after extra scholarships...why is there a shortage of tech workers?...as someone else said...here many don't think its cool to study science...socially cast as a nerd...many start a science degree but never finish. I personally had a friend who started with electrical engg and ended up in kinesiology. Everyone wants to be on wall street or a manager of some kind. Don't get me wrong i am met quite a few gifted Americans but they are the exceptions not the rule.

The reason they are finding more fraud cases is because the fees also provide the money for fraud detection.

and lately there is an additional fee of $2000 for H1B on mostly indian companies which is used to fund border protection and 9/11 safety fund etc.

No one on here supports fraud. You cannot fake a shortage, and with the recent requirement for LCA from Dept of Labor its not easy to fake a low salary.

There used to be a lot of fraud but now its very much reduced with stricter enforcement and thats good for us legitimate people.

[airbusfan]

good point bugsbunny, not to mention the money that H-1B and L-1 would contribute to the border security!!

Were you aware that a big chunk of the fees for applying for an H1B visa goes towards prevention of fraud and scholarships for retraining

Around $2.3 billion has been raised from fiscal years 2000 to 2011 and is used to fund thousands of scholarships for US workers in the fields of Science and Math

Check out the American Competitiveness and Workforce Improvement Act which created this program.

so even after extra scholarships...why is there a shortage of tech workers?...as someone else said...here many don't think its cool to study science...socially cast as a nerd...many start a science degree but never finish. I personally had a friend who started with electrical engg and ended up in kinesiology. Everyone wants to be on wall street or a manager of some kind. Don't get me wrong i am met quite a few gifted Americans but they are the exceptions not the rule.

The reason they are finding more fraud cases is because the fees also provide the money for fraud detection.

and lately there is an additional fee of $2000 for H1B on mostly indian companies which is used to fund border protection and 9/11 safety fund etc.

No one on here supports fraud. You cannot fake a shortage, and with the recent requirement for LCA from Dept of Labor its not easy to fake a low salary.

There used to be a lot of fraud but now its very much reduced with stricter enforcement and thats good for us legitimate people.

[bugsbunny]

Well, if you shut out all the outsiders, the corporations would just off-shore the maximum amount of work they possibly can and then you're worse off than where you started.

The reason the playing field isn't equal is because Americans would rather be a doctor, lawyer or a Manager. Nobody wants to spend 100k (today) on a degree and earn 60-90k a year to start with! I would say, reform the education system so that the bachelors degree doesn't push people into bankruptcy and immigration system so that the people who you are complaining about wouldn't abuse the system.

Microsoft opened a center in Vancouver, canada because they were restricted in hiring tech workers in the US. HP didn't bother ...they just moved a ton of tech jobs to india permanently.
Businesses don't care about who does the work as long as its done quick, good and cheap.

My company recently opened an offshoring center in Costa Rica so they can have offshore workers in the same time zone. they already have several offshore sites in india. If its not india...it will be some other country.

More restrictions for hiring legitimate workers here ...will only lead to more offshoring.
Is it better that these tech workers work here, pay taxes, and support atleast 3 additional jobs by living here and spending into the economy....or it is better that the one tech job and the 3 additional jobs supported by that individual get exported?

[bugsbunny]

Lastly this organization is for reforming the legal immigration process for green cards
our focus is not the H1B visa...although it plays a role in maintaining a legal status here during our endless wait for the green card

Many on here face 30 year waits...how is that fair?
First you have to be good at what you do...then a wiling company has to spend a ton in lawyer fees and go through the whole sponsorship process...showing there are no americans for the job...and then you have to just hang in limbo for 30 years!!! ...just cause you came from a specific country?

Every few years we have to keep spending...or the company has to keep spending to renew the paperwork....travel out of the country can be nightmarish...stuck for hours in the airport...while they check your paperwork...visa refused by consulate even after USCIS approves it. The list of harrasing and humiliating treatment of foreign workers is very very long.

[hireamerican]

If companies offshore the work, we will charge tariffs/taxes when they sell those products in the US. Problem solved.

[hireamerican]

Eliminating Chain immigration is gaining support, so you will only be able to see your extended family when you visit your native countries.

To preserve what this country is , we need to have controlled immigration. We can only let the best and brightest make this country their home.

[hireamerican]

Ultimately people have to be responsible for themselves and their actions.

If companies threaten to outsource and send more jobs overseas, then we will have no choice but to charge Tariffs/taxes on their products to makeup for lost income.

America is such a great country, tAmericans will level the playfield so outsiders can also have the chance to compete alongside themselves.

One has to think outside the box, and not get stuck on concepts/labels. We have to evolve our thinking depending on current events and needs.

[swamy]

Eliminating Chain immigration is gaining support, so you will only be able to see your extended family when you visit your native countries.

To preserve what this country is , we need to have controlled immigration. We can only let the best and brightest make this country their home.

haha we never let in just the' best or the brightest' and are not likely to change anytime soon racists/nativist hysteria notwithstanding - & this actually does 'preserve what this country is'!

[senram]

Mostly it is due to the cost the jobs are moved to India or other countries. The economy is so weak. H1b Cap numbers say the tale. Also local and international graduates are struggling to get a job even though economy recovered little bit. Most Indian students who finished college here in US are getting H1b thro consulting companies or underpaid in OPT program. Economy is not all helping for H1b or EB reform. Only some pro immigration articles are supporting EB reform bills. Even if they increase H1b or Green card numbers offshoring will happen as one fourth cost in India. Another reason no company in USA is ready to give training as cost is so high. In India it is very cheap to get training. So this situation will continue for long time.

But even without reform Eb2 and EB3 PD will move as H1b usage is slow. Eb2 will be much better in future and they do not need recapure or any GC bill. Eb3 will become better but still waiting time is always more than 6 to 8 years.

Microsoft opened a center in Vancouver, canada because they were restricted in hiring tech workers in the US. HP didn't bother ...they just moved a ton of tech jobs to india permanently.
Businesses don't care about who does the work as long as its done quick, good and cheap.

My company recently opened an offshoring center in Costa Rica so they can have offshore workers in the same time zone. they already have several offshore sites in india. If its not india...it will be some other country.

More restrictions for hiring legitimate workers here ...will only lead to more offshoring.
Is it better that these tech workers work here, pay taxes, and support atleast 3 additional jobs by living here and spending into the economy....or it is better that the one tech job and the 3 additional jobs supported by that individual get exported?

[hireamerican]

We did let in only the best and brightest not too long ago....only in the last 10 years we have opened the floodgates it seems....and we were doing fine, until this happened. Now we are in the worst recession in 70 years...

[gk_2000]

Eliminating Chain immigration is gaining support, so you will only be able to see your extended family when you visit your native countries.

To preserve what this country is , we need to have controlled immigration. We can only let the best and brightest make this country their home.

I really wish all sides in this argument drop the "best and brightest" slogan. Because, at one time when people just showed up in Ellis Island they were accepted into the country. And now people dont graduate even when they contribute for several years. I say, what authority do you guys have to trample over our rights? You guys are citizens only because you were born here, while our merit is far more than your forefathers who put you here

[gk_2000]

We did let in only the best and brightest not too long ago....only in the last 10 years we have opened the floodgates it seems....and we were doing fine, until this happened. Now we are in the worst recession in 70 years...

Mr. H.A

Your arguments are continuing even when they are growing so weary and weak. Just try to stick to objectivity and truth and you will end up much happier -- but I dont think you will do that. You are one of those deeply indoctrinated chaps and you are trapped in the loads muck they fed you with

But I am sure the day will come when you will overcome these narrow-minded views, and that will be the day you will realize your adulthood. Thanks for participating

[longwait4gc]

We did let in only the best and brightest not too long ago....only in the last 10 years we have opened the floodgates it seems....and we were doing fine, until this happened. Now we are in the worst recession in 70 years...

I dont know where you got the information about flood gates.
If you look at H1B usage in last 10 years it is about the same as previous 10 years.
Probably some numbers USA feeding bull. Did they say H1B caused recession?

[bugsbunny]

If companies offshore the work, we will charge tariffs/taxes when they sell those products in the US. Problem solved.

Protectionist measures only lead to trade wars which lead to the WTO resolving things.
US recently lost a tariff case against China. So problem not so easily solved.

[MacX]

I did mention the work 'retrain", didn't I ?

I work along side some of these so called hightech workers and know exactly what they do. Most jobs being filled by these so called high tech workers can be filled with US highschoolers.
Hey..Hireamerican,

Based on your comments, I am intrested to know what's your education qualitification and what you do for living (job)?

-Mac

[thomachan72]

We did let in only the best and brightest not too long ago....only in the last 10 years we have opened the floodgates it seems....and we were doing fine, until this happened. Now we are in the worst recession in 70 years...

Your ideas, arguments and frustrations are quite understandable my friend. Everybody prefers to have a situation when there is 5 job openings and one applicant, right? However, if you had the slightest idea of how economics work you will understand that this situation on the long run makes the economy unstable. How? several factors including delays in projects and increased wages to name a few. The only way US can get back to a competitive level in job market and work force is to reduce cost of education and simultaneously promoting skilled work force immigration. These two have to balanced and coordinated over the next decade so that as the educational costs are slowly decreased we could slowly reduce the immigration of skilled work force. Given the current trends in educational costs I dont see that happening soon though. The other option is to reduce the value of dollar by printing excessive qty but that will be a very dangerous option on the long run.
to summarize; Just crying or screaming over skilled workforce immigration is wasteful on your part. Instead you should concentrate on improving or suggesting ways to improve the work force availibility here. Start by reducing cost of education...any ideas on that my friend??? Lets battle that one first...:)

[DudleyDoRight]

We did let in only the best and brightest not too long ago....only in the last 10 years we have opened the floodgates it seems....and we were doing fine, until this happened. Now we are in the worst recession in 70 years...

hireamerican,

Do you have facts to back up that statement? Let me prove to you the contrary. Congress passed the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1990 to set most of the levels and categories by which people can immigrate to the US. Here is the break down of green cards issued on an annual basis.

44% Family - immediate
19% Family - other
15% Refugee and Asylees
4% Diversity Quota
2% Others
16% Employment based (with only 7% being principal applicants)

Sources for the above break down: [1] Orrenius, P. M.; Zavodny, M.; "Beside the Golden Door: U.S. Immigration Reform in a New Era of Globalization"; AEI Press; July 2010;
[2] Visa Bulletin (http://travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_1360.html)


So to recap, in the 2000's itself 85% of the green cards issued annually were based on everything else but skill level. Don't give me that horseshit that leading up to this point the US only admitted the best and brightest. By contrast countries like UK, Canada and Australia admit a lot more skill based immigrants than the US does.


Now, the people posting on this forum belong to that employment-based 7% principal applicant category. The category that has the highest likelihood of containing the best and the brightest. Don't buy into bullshit that politicians tell you. Fact check statements for yourself.

[skpanda]

Good Post.. couldn't agree more!

hireamerican,

Do you have facts to back up that statement? Let me prove to you the contrary. Congress passed the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1990 to set most of the levels and categories by which people can immigrate to the US. Here is the break down of green cards issued on an annual basis.

44% Family - immediate
19% Family - other
15% Refugee and Asylees
4% Diversity Quota
2% Others
16% Employment based (with only 7% being principal applicants)

Sources for the above break down: [1] Orrenius, P. M.; Zavodny, M.; "Beside the Golden Door: U.S. Immigration Reform in a New Era of Globalization"; AEI Press; July 2010;
[2] Visa Bulletin (http://travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_1360.html)


So to recap, in the 2000's itself 85% of the green cards issued annually were based on everything else but skill level. Don't give me that horseshit that leading up to this point the US only admitted the best and brightest. By contrast countries like UK, Canada and Australia admit a lot more skill based immigrants than the US does.


Now, the people posting on this forum belong to that employment-based 7% principal applicant category. The category that has the highest likelihood of containing the best and the brightest. Don't buy into bullshit that politicians tell you. Fact check statements for yourself.

[kumar4875]

Eliminating Chain immigration is gaining support, so you will only be able to see your extended family when you visit your native countries.

To preserve what this country is , we need to have controlled immigration. We can only let the best and brightest make this country their home.

To preserve what this country is , we need to have controlled immigration. We can only let the best and brightest make this country their home ----
there you said and thats what GOP is trying to do. do you really need this long thread to understand this?

[gk_2000]

hireamerican,

Do you have facts to back up that statement? Let me prove to you the contrary. Congress passed the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1990 to set most of the levels and categories by which people can immigrate to the US. Here is the break down of green cards issued on an annual basis.

44% Family - immediate
19% Family - other
15% Refugee and Asylees
4% Diversity Quota
2% Others
16% Employment based (with only 7% being principal applicants)

Sources for the above break down: [1] Orrenius, P. M.; Zavodny, M.; "Beside the Golden Door: U.S. Immigration Reform in a New Era of Globalization"; AEI Press; July 2010;
[2] Visa Bulletin (http://travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_1360.html)


So to recap, in the 2000's itself 85% of the green cards issued annually were based on everything else but skill level. Don't give me that horseshit that leading up to this point the US only admitted the best and brightest. By contrast countries like UK, Canada and Australia admit a lot more skill based immigrants than the US does.


Now, the people posting on this forum belong to that employment-based 7% principal applicant category. The category that has the highest likelihood of containing the best and the brightest. Don't buy into bullshit that politicians tell you. Fact check statements for yourself.

Good job -- I was too lazy to pile this..

BTW our friend seems to have already left :)

[thomachan72]

Guys I think he/she is just a poor soul lost in criticizing the situation for all troubles. He/she either lost a job or is expecting lots more in income which is not happening or has fewer alternatives currently if he/she were to loose the job or has poor acomodating skills (or rather toleration level for differences) none of which is our doing.
It will be good for him if he becomes more competitive after understanding the fact that its all the play of economics of capitalism.
Did you notice the statements "we will just raise the tax on import so all imports can be curbed"? Clearly speaks volumes about the ignorance and lack of a global veiw of economics and how business operates in the new global free trade era.
Only a totally ignorant person (both about politics and econimcs) will consider making that statement when the country has such a huge trade deficit with China and ROW!!!! Now even this trade deficit can baloon instantly if restrictions on transfer of special technology is taken off.
Anyway this person is not going to understand any of this. All they care for is whether he/she has 5 jobs to chose from and can bargain for the best pay. it is almost wasteful for reasoning with people with such wrong assumptions about immigration. They support capitalism but dont listen to the greatest CEOs and enterpreneurs this country has produced like bill gates and several others.
He/she can buy his/her stuff from wallmart which imports 99.9% of the goods sold but is intollerant to workers who come to this country to work so that some manufacturing is done internally?

[cbpds]

Don't give me this dumb excuse that it costs 100k to get a graduate degree in comp sc.
One of my indian relatives, studied comp eng and is in a good job....

Moreover the unemployment percentage is just 4% for IT, why are u giving lame excuses.

If there irregularities or fraud go ahead and expose it, IV surely welcomes it

Indians pay only 4K for a degree, whereas an American degree costs over 100K. So for most American highschool graduates, it is prohibitively expensive to go to college.

And for those that do go to college and get an American college degree, they only know about getting a job at employer college campus interviews. They do not know the concept of padding resumes with fake experience.The IT field has become such that only Indians have access to cheap training with illegal copies of software. The Americans are largely kept out of this network and ultimately the jobs.

Hope that explains it.

[allfoolshere]

To hireamerican

america is in recession today for 2 reason
1) housing bubble :- where 'americans' got greedy and it includes banks and common people. banks who gave loans to people who couldn't afford and people who bought more than one house for trading purpose rather than staying. people couldnt pay, banks collapsed and everyone defaulted. now no H1b were involved in this. infact most people on H1b dont buy houses due to job insecurity.
2) all this led to wall st collapse another bunch of greedy americans. everyone suffered. again no H1bs were involved in this.

So america is in recession not because of H1b program but because of americans themselves who wants to make quick bucks.

Now as for unemployment in americans. it is among those who are not holding BS degrees.let me give u my own ex. I fired an american worker under me in 2008 dec. he had an BS in engineering degree but extremely lousy worker. he got a job in 2009 may in just 5 months and tht too coz he had location restrictions. and if you remember 2009 was the yr when there were massive layoffs. We recruited a fresh engineering grad in aug 09 and trained him. and tht too cos we dint find a suitableperson in these months. THERE WERE NOT MANY AMERICAN ENGINEERS AVAILABLE. at the same time my company did massive layoffs mostly of people who just did office jobs with HS diploma or associate degree. there were just a few BS degree holders who were laid off and this was just to get rid of lazy asses. note tht the engineering grad was an american too.

[thomachan72]

To hireamerican

america is in recession today for 2 reason
1) housing bubble :- where 'americans' got greedy and it includes banks and common people. banks who gave loans to people who couldn't afford and people who bought more than one house for trading purpose rather than staying. people couldnt pay, banks collapsed and everyone defaulted. now no H1b were involved in this. infact most people on H1b dont buy houses due to job insecurity.
2) all this led to wall st collapse another bunch of greedy americans. everyone suffered. again no H1bs were involved in this.

So america is in recession not because of H1b program but because of americans themselves who wants to make quick bucks.

Now as for unemployment in americans. it is among those who are not holding BS degrees.let me give u my own ex. I fired an american worker under me in 2008 dec. he had an BS in engineering degree but extremely lousy worker. he got a job in 2009 may in just 5 months and tht too coz he had location restrictions. and if you remember 2009 was the yr when there were massive layoffs. We recruited a fresh engineering grad in aug 09 and trained him. and tht too cos we dint find a suitableperson in these months. THERE WERE NOT MANY AMERICAN ENGINEERS AVAILABLE. at the same time my company did massive layoffs mostly of people who just did office jobs with HS diploma or associate degree. there were just a few BS degree holders who were laid off and this was just to get rid of lazy asses. note tht the engineering grad was an american too. I think he/she would by reading your answer understand what sort of group he/she is dealing with here. Most of the members here are highly skilled (docs/engineers/researchers/managers etc etc). Hopefully we wont hear more from him/her again. :D:D

[looivy]

Now that you guys are done responding to that moron hireamerican statements, why don't you put in half of that much energy towards the house gop effort which was the purpose of this thread.

I suggest that IV leadership lay out a path/next steps for reaching out to house gop leaders.

Cheers.

[hireamerican]

L1 and B1 visa usage has increased which is masking the numbers. DUH!

[hireamerican]

Do you think the politicians are going to hear you when millions of Americans are fed up with this.....

[hireamerican]

Back in the Ellis Island days, Indians were not on the list of people that were allowed to emigrate.

[hireamerican]

I just stay home and browse the internet :P

[rkay]

Back in the Ellis Island days, Indians were not on the list of people that were allowed to emigrate.
That is your real concern. Non-Europeans immigrating to US. We get it !
American please check your spelling. No wonder you don't get any job.

[hireamerican]

Not all quotas are filled. DUH! No, double DUH!!

[hireamerican]

Why do people try to emigrate to the US? Hmmmm.....if they are so smart, why don't they stay in their own countries and work to make them better. Or, go to some other country with their caluable skills? Why? Why? Why?

I know why? The US is viewed as a pot of gold, and everyone wants to rush and grab it. Oh the greed.....

[hireamerican]

Change is coming :)

[hireamerican]

It is happening as we speak....

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[gk_2000]

That is your real concern. Non-Europeans immigrating to US. We get it !
American please check your spelling. No wonder you don't get any job.

Not all quotas are filled. DUH! No, double DUH!!

Can some one please translate this to English?

Let me attempt to translate: "didn't you get the memo? We were opposed to Indians back then, and we are opposing now"

Hard to believe there are still grown up people here that reflect their great great greatest grandfathers' views. Why should we even bother to reply to this guy?

[gk_2000]

L1 and B1 visa usage has increased which is masking the numbers. DUH!

L1 and B1 are irrelevant. Show me how many of them converted to citizenship.

[hireamerican]

It is all about the fake everything....fake resumes, fake referrals, seggregated recruiting...the list goes on....

[hireamerican]

I am baaaackkkkk!!!

[DudleyDoRight]

Now that you guys are done responding to that moron hireamerican statements, why don't you put in half of that much energy towards the house gop effort which was the purpose of this thread.

I suggest that IV leadership lay out a path/next steps for reaching out to house gop leaders.

Cheers.

I agree with looivy, its time for IV to chart out a plan and tasklists to communicate with the house GOP leadership.

[hireamerican]

How much did it cost you to get that degree in a corporate college in India :P

[gk_2000]

Curiosity killed the cat. I just stay home and browse the internet :P

Is this a death threat? LOL now I've seen everything! death threat against anonymous people! Maybe we should report this guy, who knows? He may be another crazy person prone to hate crimes

[airbusfan]

I just stay home and browse the internet :P

aah that explains the retarded arguments. Seems like you're one of the xenophobes who thinks that America isn't for non-Europeans (read white). You're not even putting up any solid arguments anymore.

When you say, why don't you stay and improve your own country, I agree that US is the land of opportunities, the opportunities that the Americans born here aren't qualified to exploit even when foreigners on H-1B and L-1 visa are paying them to get trained, and wait we're also paying for the US government to enforce their own laws to keep the illegals out. People like you are screaming their lungs out here on people here who are contributing billions on the broken social security and medicare system which they themselves can't use!! Dare they change the law for them to pay us H-1B folks what they've contributed when you decide to throw us out?? Dude, we're getting exploited much worse than your sorry ass can imagine

[rant over]

[hireamerican]

There are no servants here like they do in India...so get with the program and find out what happened...I will give you a hint....Technodyne, a sub contractor of SAIC...

[hireamerican]

Perhaps if you look beyond your Hinglish , you will see the light :P

[hireamerican]

Is that why you are clamouring on this website....let me in,let me in, pleeeassse let me in....while American citizens are spitting on you telling you to go back to your home country....

[snathan]

There are no servants here like they do in India...so get with the program and find out what happened...I will give you a hint....Technodyne, a sub contractor of SAIC...

I give you the hint for your lazy ass....who is prosecuting him - U.S. Attorney Preet Bharar.

[airbusfan]

There are no servants here like they do in India...so get with the program and find out what happened...I will give you a hint....Technodyne, a sub contractor of SAIC...

American's segregate blacks and asians, "too bad you're too poor so you will get poor education" for blacks, and for asians, "sorry you're too smart and hence can't get into Harvard" American's aren't any better :P Now you get with the program

[gk_2000]

There are no servants here like they do in India...so get with the program and find out what happened...I will give you a hint....Technodyne, a sub contractor of SAIC...

Thank you for being a closet Indian envy'er

And hints like yours (but in the opposite direction) are also dime a dozen, and I could start right here with your comments

Anyway, you seem to be a sheep lost its way. Try this forum: NumbersUSA | For Lower Immigration Levels - For Lower Immigration Levels (http://www.numbersusa.com)
You will plenty like you and you'll make many friends

BTW are there laws in your state against using guns? What state are you from?

[hireamerican]

Fake resumes.fake referrals. Seggregated recruiting.recieiving training on illegal copies of software.

Americans do not have that opportunity like you all do. Enough said.

[AndherNagri]

Immigration issue is a political football.

This particular study group of GOP has loyalty to businesses and it is speaking their language. They will be overwhelmed by others who know that "Will never legalize the illegals" gets them more votes.

Curious things will happen, as has happened in past, IF GOP really starts supporting legal immigration reforms. Democrats, yes, Democrats will shoot it down saying "Oh what we need is CIR, why waste time on incremental reforms. If you want to do incremental reforms start with DREAM". EB reform is used to hide behind to push their agenda of legalization and they can not afford that going away.

If the issue is solved, both parties are losing their war cry. What we need to keep in mind is, they are politicians. Their razor sharp focus is on getting votes and protecting the turf.

[airbusfan]

Is that why you are clamouring on this website....let me in,let me in, pleeeassse let me in....while American citizens are spitting on you telling you to go back to your home country....

Most Amercan's can't find their asses if it wasn't for the smart immigrants, only Xenophobes and racists like you think that Americans are spitting on us and telling us to go back to our country!

[hireamerican]

Lol...yeah...deny deny deny.....the fact that these crooks pocketed over 400 million of the new york city taxpayer money.....lmao...

[gk_2000]

Is that why you are clamouring on this website....let me in,let me in, pleeeassse let me in....while American citizens are spitting on you telling you to go back to your home country....

Beggars!!! -- much better than crooks and hypocrites, and to greater extent, morons.

After listening to you I am fast losing my respect to your entire clan

[hireamerican]

No one gives a rats ass if you have respect for us or not.....

[airbusfan]

Thank you for trying to help.....but, no thanks. We will find our asses ourselves.
Now get lost to your country...we don't want you here....you are stinking up the joint.

who are you the representative of ?? You're the one who is stinking you inbred red-neck

[airbusfan]

No one gives a rats ass if you have respect for us or not.....

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yes you would rather live with illegal criminals than with smart asians who pay taxes and contribute for your effin retirement you retard!!

[hireamerican]

Now the star couple fled to India :P...perhaps they can never be brought to justice.....why did preet Bahara wait and not arrrest them before they fled into oblivion:P

[gk_2000]

No one gives a rats ass if you have respect for us or not.....

No problem you can keep your rat's ass for yourself. I never asked for it :p (and be assured, I never will) .. But for the record, I am against sodomizing animals

[hireamerican]

Fake resumes are also illegal.duh!

[hireamerican]

I saw a video the other day where an Indian man was marrying a dog.

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[airbusfan]

Fake resumes are also illegal.duh!

pray explain ??

[hireamerican]

Is it because I am bringing your secrets out?

[airbusfan]

Fake resumes are also illegal.duh!

How to Fake a Resume | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/how_2124204_fake-resume.html)

Maybe the guys who spent 100k degrees should learn how to use google, Now this is an American writing this article!!

[hireamerican]

Hmmm....you see someone at work that looks all of 22 years old......is on an H1B visa.....now how could that person qualify for high skilled labor :P

[lostcause2007]

you can rant all you want but ultimately skilled immigrants will always be welcome here while jerks like you will be standing in unemployment lines somewhere or standing with a board at a traffic intersection asking for pity.
So you know very well who is having the last laugh...and that explains your frustration. Now shoo..go away.

Now the star couple fled to India :P...perhaps they can never be brought to justice.....why did preet Bahara wait and not arrrest them before they fled into oblivion:P

[airbusfan]

I saw a video the other day where an Indian man was marrying a dog.

Man in India Marries Dog to Atone for Stoning to Death Mating Canines - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311079,00.html)

Oh Fox news!! Your bible!! LOL!! Also didn't one of them also claim that the world is going to end on 21 May and couldn't point to where Egypt was ??

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[airbusfan]

Hmmm....you see someone at work that looks all of 22 years old......is on an H1B visa.....now how could that person qualify for high skilled labor :P

and you were the manager who hired that person??

[gk_2000]

Thank you for trying to help.....but, no thanks. We will find our asses ourselves.
Now get lost to your country...we don't want you here....you are stinking up the joint.
This is why Indians are not liked
It is said: "What goes around, comes around". What made you to enter this forum and try to provoke us? I have sometimes wondered what people like you do after having every one of their talking points knocked down. Now I got my answer, the ugly and racist creature makes itself fully visible. Way to go! I suggest you go back to your masters and beg to know what new answers are suitable after being proven wrong

[hireamerican]

Tweaking a resume is different..VS claiming on resume

Oct2001 - Oct2002
XX Company
Did YADA YADA YADA

while still in diapers :P

[hireamerican]

Resolution offered. Go back where you came from.

[hireamerican]

all the new laws being passed....tell you a different story

[airbusfan]

Tweaking a resume is different..VS claiming on resume

Oct2001 - Oct2002
XX Company
Did YADA YADA YADA

while still in diapers :P

need not say more!! Get it, if a white man does it its tweaking, else its faking, now go back where you came from

[hireamerican]

An American. This country is my home. You are not welcome here.

[hireamerican]

LOL...Can't take it can you....

22 years old....with 10 years on the job experience...hehehe

[hireamerican]

Yeah...would be nice if you did not care to come here....

[hireamerican]

Why do you want to live alongside idiots...go back.....

[airbusfan]

LOL...Can't take it can you....

22 years old....with 10 years on the job experience...hehehe

well you were the manager who didn't see it!! Or wait, the dollar amount was more important, most people always clap with 2 hands!!

[hireamerican]

Game over!!!

[hireamerican]

Laws, and more laws are being passed each day.

[gk_2000]

Guys, let's ignore this troll, as he has revealed all his dark thoughts, dropping all pretentions of making healthy debate. If I were the admin, I would supply his email to police and ask them to watch this guy, as he has made a death threat.

Just a random wayward teenager .. why you guys trying to feed condiments to a monkey?

[airbusfan]

Game over!!!

Well, I always agreed that the loophole needs to be fixed, its the same deal with illegal immigration as long as there are employers who are willing to hire for cheap labor this is going to continue!!

People have already said, if there is fraud that you see you can report it. Snathan's signature has the numbers. You are so lazy that you won't pick up the phone. The point is most people here are frustrated with the system too!! This dysfunctional system needs to be fixed to eliminate fraud and letting only genuine people in. If your government listens to nut-jobs like you and kick us out, we'll take your jobs home. You will charge tariffs, we won't buy your weapons. I'm glad to say that in the ten years that I've lived here, I haven't met a single American who is as dumb as you are!! (Mostly because I think I went to an awesome school and always worked in great companies).

[mdcowboy]

Laws, and more laws are being passed each day.

Buddy...at the end of the day..you will still be the same as you are now..

We would have gone to another level.

Grow up yeah?

[lostcause2007]

The IP address and additional identity of the user originating these messages (including the threats, as pointed out) has been identified and recorded. Will be followed up by law enforcement. Time to teach these bigots/haters a lesson.

Guys, let's ignore this troll, as he has revealed all his dark thoughts, dropping all pretentions of making healthy debate. If I were the admin, I would supply his email to police and ask them to watch this guy, as he has made a death threat.

Just a random wayward teenager .. why you guys trying to feed condiments to a monkey?

[airbusfan]

Laws, and more laws are being passed each day.

which laws mate?? Please let us know too

[hireamerican]

DO IT!!! Let's get this thing wide open!!!

About time everyone in America knew how their jobs are being stolen everyday by those who come here with degrees that cost less than $4000, and with claims of fake experience, while college kids here spend hundreds of thousans of dollars on education and wait for campus hiring opportunities!!!

[airbusfan]

DO IT!!! Let's get this thing wide open!!!

About time everyone in America knew how their jobs are being stolen everyday by those who come here with degrees that cost less than $4000, and with claims of fake experiences while college kids here wait for campus hiring opportunities!!!


on you mate!! Your country!!, Lobby your senators and Reps for a sensible immigration and education reform !! We support you!!

[hireamerican]

I am happy where I am in my life...go on...climb the ladders of success...by hook or crook...

[hireamerican]

Hehehehe...no guts....

[hireamerican]

Fake resumes, fake referrals...the list goes on...they will come back to bite ya.

[airbusfan]

Fake resumes, fake referrals...the list goes on...they will come back to bite ya.

so are you going to lobby for immigration reform and education reform or no??

[hireamerican]

Hmm..you want a project plan in MS Project :P

[hireamerican]

Where are the police? I can't wait around forever..ya know.....

[airbusfan]

Hmm..you want a project plan in MS Project :P

If you don't quote the statement you are replying to, you seem like a dumb ass (which I'm sure you aren't)

So I'm assuming you're replying to my asking your lobbying effort (not support) for closing all the loopholes in immigration system and not letting 22 year old 4k Bachelors degree holder to come and take your and your kinds' jobs! I guess you just want to come to these forums and vent out your frustrations! Oh well, good luck then to change these laws :D

[airbusfan]

Where are the police? I can't wait around forever..ya know.....

gottcha !! I didn't think you would stick around

[hireamerican]

Still heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

[airbusfan]

Still heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

You aren't answering about how you plan to change the laws..., please oh almighty American, let us your knowledge on little Indians who are much smarter than you!

[hireamerican]

You aren't answering about how you plan to change the laws..., please oh almighty American, let us your knowledge on little Indians who are much smarter than you!

LOL....figure it out, oh smart one!!

[airbusfan]

LOL....figure it out, oh smart one!!

okay then not as almighty as you make yourself out to be, go check out Weiner's weiner :P

[bugsbunny]

time for banning and thread deletion :) any mods around?
What a change in 24 hours...initially some basic arguments...now its just pure hate and trash

[schumy_micheal]

I agree with bugsbunny...As the OP my intentions were different and the mood was of 'Hope'. But because of 'Hireamerican' this thread has changed in color so much.

In the end, we still have 'Hope' and we still believe in 'American Dream' as millions of people in last 250 years did. A person like 'Hireamerican' will never understand or appreciate the sacrifices his forefathers made to make this country great..Lets hope we all get green soon..

[gk_2000]

time for banning and thread deletion :) any mods around?
What a change in 24 hours...initially some basic arguments...now its just pure hate and trash

I say, hold on to the thread, and just ban. It will be useful when police asks

[airbusfan]

I say, hold on to the thread, and just ban. It will be useful when police asks

Why delete?? I'm actually enjoying this duel, it's quite interesting to see the other side's view.

And who is going to call the police? Which department??

[gk_2000]

Why delete?? I'm actually enjoying this duel, it's quite interesting to see the other side's view.

And who is going to call the police? Which department??

Don't you think we've seen enough of their "views"? The problems here are
- There are no actual "views" here, just dumb old talking points
- This person has no interest in "our" side of the story, and he is NOT here to exchange views
- He seems full of hate and malice, and that's not our forum is for. Such extreme elements affect our own psyche and we will begin wondering about every American we meet, "could he be one of the crazies who might shoot me?"

as for department, I would just dial the number first, then ask to get redirected

Plus, there is nothing left to enjoy in this duel. It has fully downgraded in quality and entered the name-calling match phase

[gk_2000]

Where are the police? I can't wait around forever..ya know.....

Sure, they're there only to serve you bacon. These guys here didn't make me an admin, because they feared what I would do to the likes of you :p

[forgerator]

To start with, i suggest those folks to get a STEM degree.
Comeback then

yea no kidding. The majority of these folks want an easy ride in college by majoring in sociology and english.... and then they complain about not getting a job :D

[syedajmal]

This isn’t a new viewpoint, of course. Every four years since 1995, the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS) has shown that students from Asia outperform US students in assessments of math skills.

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[new2gc]

If companies offshore the work, we will charge tariffs/taxes when they sell those products in the US. Problem solved.

Guess who will be paying the cost?? I don't think you can understand...it will be the common AMERICAN users...businesses do not pay anything from their pocket..

[bikram_das_in]

Please refrain from responding to hireamerican. Mind of bigot is like pupil of an eye. The more light you shed, the narrower it gets. This guy is here to vent his frustration of loosing his job. Every time he goes to a job interview, finds bunch of Indians taking his interview. My sympathies are with him.

[ameerka_dream]

Guys,

Please stop responding to this racist..he doesn't represent true american people, doesn't even care the values of this great country and not even to the sacrifices of his immigrant forefathers. He can't fit to work in any workplace on this planet with his 'A FROG in a WELL' mindset in this global era of competitive markets.

Please let him live in well and he will be destined to hell one day with his racist frustration and with out realization.

Peace out.

There is no great difference in the reality of one country or another, because it is always people you meet everywhere. They may look different or be dressed differently, or may have a different education or position. But they are all the same. They are all people to be loved. They are all hungry for love.
-- Mother Teresa

His foreparents came to America in immigrant ships. My foreparents came to America in slave ships. But whatever the original ships, we are both in the same boat tonight.
-- Jesse Jackson

Remember, remember always that all of us, and you and I especially, are descended from immigrants and revolutionists.
-- Franklin D. Roosevelt

[bugsbunny]

Such extreme elements affect our own psyche and we will begin wondering about every American we meet, "could he be one of the crazies who might shoot me?"

man you get easily provoked :) there are crazies everywhere...in the US its much lesser than most other countries...its a matter of perception

this guy wasn't as bad as some others i have seen in online forums/comments/message boards. The talk of reporting to police is laughable...everyone's views and rights to free speech is protected by the constitution...whether its good or bad. However allowing this hate speech on here is clearly upto the the mods.

[gk_2000]

man you get easily provoked :) there are crazies everywhere...in the US its much lesser than most other countries...its a matter of perception

this guy wasn't as bad as some others i have seen in online forums/comments/message boards. The talk of reporting to police is laughable...everyone's views and rights to free speech is protected by the constitution...whether its good or bad. However allowing this hate speech on here is clearly upto the the mods.

Well I've been to many forums too, but I never saw any talk of killing. But that aside, I did what I did to divert the tempo. You can laugh, but I am sharing the joke ;)

[gk_2000]

I don't think an American will waste his time in this discussion forum, my guess is , this guy just got his Green card, and now he is insecured about his job, and he doesn't want any other people to get GC..

I agree this is one of the possibilities. But he did have better language, and he called us out on Hinglish --- but that can be interpreted either way

When I go thru the discussions here I can't help but get the "very Indian" feeling :) -- not to offend anyone (I dont consider it wrong to laugh at myself a bit)