H1b - Systematic Ethnic Cleansing of Indians + Chinese Professionals out of US...

[ash123]

FYI .. This post is what I received in e-mail few days back.

I would like to bring to the notice of your readers, editorial committee and leaders of
the Indian community of a systematic way that (legally) the US Government is practicing
legal ethnic cleansing of Indians and Chinese and other H-1B visa holders.

While it is agreeable that the current economic downturn is the worst one has seen.
It is time to band together with what resources we have and make it thru this perfect
storm. However, the machinations of a few politicians and the further connivance of the
USCIS, we are about to see a systematic 'legal ethnic cleansing of Indians and other
foreign professionals'.

Leaders of the ethnic Indian community should take up this issue. Leading Indian attorneys
such as Chugh Firm, Khanna Firm, Sheela Murthy, and leaders like Dr. Romesh Japra and
Yogi Chugh etc should do something about this with their contacts at the highest levels.

How is this happening and why is it ethnic cleansing?

Since 1990's every year several thousands of Indian professionals come to the US. Because of
delay in processing of their Green Cards a vast majority of them are on H-1B.

With the current downturn, Sen. Grassley et all have raised such a stink that companies are
forced to lay off H-1b holders first before they lay off any other US employees. While the US
employers may not always do this. They are being shamed into revealing how they laid off
US Citizens before laying off others. Net Net....Indian professionals are being laid off from
large companies (ofcourse, along with layoffs of US citizens and Green card holders as well).

Now, having been laid off, H-1b holders are forced to leave the country within 10 days if they
do not find another job. Now, many are forced to leave the US as they cannot sustain living
in the US. However, some enterprising few are finding lower paying jobs or are finding so called
'body shopping companies' to file their H-1b transfer in anticipation of staying around till the
economy improves and they can find suitable jobs. Here is when the systematic targetting and
ethnic cleansing is coming to the fore. The USCIS in the past which did not, out of the ordinary
question such H-1b transfers. is raising Request for Evidence (RFE) from these companies.

These RFEs are raised in such a way that it is impossible to answer them. They are thus
not only targetting the H-1b candidates, they are systematically undermining the people
(companies) who want to help out H-1b candidates out of their predicament of being stranded.

Imagine living in the US for the past 8 years. Owning a home, then getting in line for the
Green Card. You are close to getting the green card but because of backlog you only get
what is called the Employment Authorization Card (EAD). So, you continue to be on H-1b status.
Then your employer fires you....

There are two paths here.....Technically, with a EAD card you can get employment anywhere
with what is called US AC21 Portability.However, AC21 EAD portability comes with the need
that a person with EAD should have another job with the exact same profile and same salary.
In this market who is going to give you a job with this exact profile as your old job. The only
way for a person to stay on 'legally' is to file a backup H-1b.

Thus a person in the 'last stages' of his green card also actually ends up joining a fresh h-1b
software professional.

Now, what will the USCIS do? They will ensure that they find some issue with the RFE response
provided by the 'body shopping company' and issue a denial of H-1b extension.

The body shopping companies are trying to be the Raoul Wallenbergs (helping with visa when a
person is in distress - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg). However, the USCIS will
ensure that literally hundred thousand Indian and Chinese professionals are kicked out of the
US. The same professionals who came to US to contribute to its success will now be kicked
out of US against their wish. The companies who are willing to help them will also be harassed
in the bargain, some of those companies will be investigated for non-payment of wages, some
of them will be subjected to USCIS audits for trying to help these helpless people whose lives
are being uprooted.....I am not in any way saying that lives of US citizens is not being uprooted.
These are very tough times and there is no reason to pick on the helpless, unrepresented people.

This is as un-american as it gets. US is famous for its chivalry. Over 5000 lives have been sacrificed
in Iraq to foster democracy and fairness in that part of the world. This is an un-American as it gets.
This is a planned lynching and killing of the 'spirit' of the foreign worker who came to US dreaming
of making it the American dream and participating/contributing to its success.

What should the USCIS do?

Given the tough times...They should allow people to stay on in the US as long as another
employer is willing to keep them in status. They should not question the H-1b applications as
everyone knows that USCIS can find issues with every single H-1b extension filed right now
with their respective offices. As someone said - Rejecting a H1b now is like issuing speeding
tickets at INDY 500. Even the largest companies such as Microsoft and IBM can have their
H-1b applications rejected by the USCIS with the silliest of excuse.

What is in it for the USCIS not to do this ethnic cleansing?

Long term vision for America not just right now. This year the US Embassies in India issued over
98,000 visas to students from India. These are students who are paying their way thru education
in the US (a country with the most expensive but best education). If it turns out that US specifically
targets Indians for 'special h-1b rejection treatment' literally half of them will never aspire to come
to the US within the next 2 or 3 years.

Right now the economy is bad, but it will improve: It is a 'perfect storm' right now which is causing
this downturn. The economy will surely improve in the next few quarters. There will then be new
sectors of the economy that will boom that will need professionals. There will be enough work by then
for these H-1b professionals as well as US residents.

Confident and free people contribute positively:
If the word spreads that even in bad times this society did not turn on them then the US people
will be appreciated. But, if the message is, when you are down they will kick you where it
hurts, then this society will not succeed. Just imagine, there are at least 250,000 (maybe more) people of Indian
and Asian origin who would end up buying a house if they knew for sure that they could continue
to live without the fear of being 'ethnically cleansed'. Most Indians and Asians save money and do
not splurge. Just this measure of confidence will ensure that they will spend money in the US
economy. Just their contributions will ensure that there is a bump in the housing sector.

Finally, As they say - "Those who do not learn from history are forced to repeat it". The US
is perpetrating a betrayal of people who could contribute to its success in the long run. But, what they are
getting is a form of 'systematic and legally driven ethnic cleansing' - they are being identified and
driven out of the country which they have loyally served for varying periods of time.....

God Bless America....God Save America from 'some' of its own people.

Thanks.

[gc_wow]

No one cares about our plight.We are like new Jews in America.No matter what for no reason every one hates us for what we are.

[rvr_jcop]

Nice read...I own a home too. If I have a GC now, I am in a position to pay off considerable amount on my mortgage. I know its a drop in the ocean but I am sure there are lot of people like me.

[EndlessWait]

Its like what NAZIS did to Jews.. Cmon this is America, lets post this to President Obama's website

[ash123]

We have to wake-up before same continue while EAD/AP renewal

[indianabacklog]

Its like what NAZIS did to Jews.. Cmon this is America, lets post this to President Obama's website

This is NOTHING like what the Nazis did to the Jews. It is highly inappropriate to even suggest this. Go away, read your second world war history and you will quickly realize this.

What the US is doing is trying to save jobs for its own. Normal process when things are looking so bad. This has been happening all over the world in many countries for decades.

This level of drama is not going to win anybody any favors. Need to remain level headed and understand the reasoning behind what is happening.

[ashkam]

Are you people daft? Using terms like ethnic cleansing, lynching or comparing our plight to the holocaust borders on the hysterical. Please do not lose your perspective on life.

[dagabaaj]

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/02/12/change-immigration-policy-in-light-of-job-losses/

[oliTwist]

come on this is bull s***.

[sledge_hammer]

Total BS!

How can you even suggest that the immigration related raids to be the same as ethnic cleansing.

Admins, please close this thread!

I would like to bring to the notice of your readers, editorial committee and leaders of
the Indian community of a systematic way that (legally) the US Government is practicing
legal ethnic cleansing of Indians and Chinese and other H-1B visa holders.
...............
............
..............God Bless America....God Save America from 'some' of its own people.

Thanks.

[senthil1]

Ethnic cleansing is eliminating particular group of people while in civil war. Whatever happened in past in Rwanda could be called Ethnic Cleansing. Here Indians including me came for luxury life and better career though most of them available in India because here there is no availablity of skills. If US can get all the skills they need then there is no need for immigrants then if they reduce immigration that is not ethnic cleansing.

Total BS!

How can you even suggest that the immigration related raids to be the same as
.

Admins, please close this thread!

[mps]

"ash123" - you need to correct your post for such a absurd choice of words ! :confused:

Just do some research on phrase "ethnic cleansing." :confused:

[ItIsNotFunny]

Ash,

I can understand your concerns and frustration. You have taken good amount of time and efforts to draft this.

We all are going through the same pain but need to be carefully for our choice of words. You don't want listeners to be on opposite side of what you are saying just because of bad choice of words and language. What you are mentioning can be drafted in good words (In India we used to call as Sugar Coated).

There are parts of world never give citizenship or too difficult to get perm residency also like Switzerland, Germany to name couple of them. Lets be more objective and decide how we encounter the situation we are in.

I am always promoter of Gandhigiri and second flower campaign. AlbertPinto has started a thread for this. Lets just work on this.

I would like to bring to the notice of your readers, editorial committee and leaders of
the Indian community of a systematic way that (legally) the US Government is practicing

....

driven out of the country which they have loyally served for varying periods of time.....

God Bless America....God Save America from 'some' of its own people.

Thanks.

[gcisadawg]

Ash, I agree with the message but you need to work on the choice of words. This not ethnic cleansing or lynching or systematic targetting. I'd say America is going into a protectionist mode. When you are in that mode, the first step is to keep aliens at a distance.

[ash123]

Can someone tell me how to close this thread.

[24fps]

LOL

his choice of words was dramatic/wrong but it does'nt take away the fact the veracity of the article he's posted.

i've been hearing about this for a while as well, and it needs to be debated/looked into

[sanju]

Why do you want to delete this thread? This is true. The witch hunt has started. Why be scared to say the truth?


.


FYI .. This post is what I received in e-mail few days back.

I would like to bring to the notice of your readers, editorial committee and leaders of
the Indian community of a systematic way that (legally) the US Government is practicing
legal ethnic cleansing of Indians and Chinese and other H-1B visa holders.

While it is agreeable that the current economic downturn is the worst one has seen.
It is time to band together with what resources we have and make it thru this perfect
storm. However, the machinations of a few politicians and the further connivance of the
USCIS, we are about to see a systematic 'legal ethnic cleansing of Indians and other
foreign professionals'.

Leaders of the ethnic Indian community should take up this issue. Leading Indian attorneys
such as Chugh Firm, Khanna Firm, Sheela Murthy, and leaders like Dr. Romesh Japra and
Yogi Chugh etc should do something about this with their contacts at the highest levels.

How is this happening and why is it ethnic cleansing?

Since 1990's every year several thousands of Indian professionals come to the US. Because of
delay in processing of their Green Cards a vast majority of them are on H-1B.

With the current downturn, Sen. Grassley et all have raised such a stink that companies are
forced to lay off H-1b holders first before they lay off any other US employees. While the US
employers may not always do this. They are being shamed into revealing how they laid off
US Citizens before laying off others. Net Net....Indian professionals are being laid off from
large companies (ofcourse, along with layoffs of US citizens and Green card holders as well).

Now, having been laid off, H-1b holders are forced to leave the country within 10 days if they
do not find another job. Now, many are forced to leave the US as they cannot sustain living
in the US. However, some enterprising few are finding lower paying jobs or are finding so called
'body shopping companies' to file their H-1b transfer in anticipation of staying around till the
economy improves and they can find suitable jobs. Here is when the systematic targetting and
ethnic cleansing is coming to the fore. The USCIS in the past which did not, out of the ordinary
question such H-1b transfers. is raising Request for Evidence (RFE) from these companies.

These RFEs are raised in such a way that it is impossible to answer them. They are thus
not only targetting the H-1b candidates, they are systematically undermining the people
(companies) who want to help out H-1b candidates out of their predicament of being stranded.

Imagine living in the US for the past 8 years. Owning a home, then getting in line for the
Green Card. You are close to getting the green card but because of backlog you only get
what is called the Employment Authorization Card (EAD). So, you continue to be on H-1b status.
Then your employer fires you....

There are two paths here.....Technically, with a EAD card you can get employment anywhere
with what is called US AC21 Portability.However, AC21 EAD portability comes with the need
that a person with EAD should have another job with the exact same profile and same salary.
In this market who is going to give you a job with this exact profile as your old job. The only
way for a person to stay on 'legally' is to file a backup H-1b.

Thus a person in the 'last stages' of his green card also actually ends up joining a fresh h-1b
software professional.

Now, what will the USCIS do? They will ensure that they find some issue with the RFE response
provided by the 'body shopping company' and issue a denial of H-1b extension.

The body shopping companies are trying to be the Raoul Wallenbergs (helping with visa when a
person is in distress - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg). However, the USCIS will
ensure that literally hundred thousand Indian and Chinese professionals are kicked out of the
US. The same professionals who came to US to contribute to its success will now be kicked
out of US against their wish. The companies who are willing to help them will also be harassed
in the bargain, some of those companies will be investigated for non-payment of wages, some
of them will be subjected to USCIS audits for trying to help these helpless people whose lives
are being uprooted.....I am not in any way saying that lives of US citizens is not being uprooted.
These are very tough times and there is no reason to pick on the helpless, unrepresented people.

This is as un-american as it gets. US is famous for its chivalry. Over 5000 lives have been sacrificed
in Iraq to foster democracy and fairness in that part of the world. This is an un-American as it gets.
This is a planned lynching and killing of the 'spirit' of the foreign worker who came to US dreaming
of making it the American dream and participating/contributing to its success.

What should the USCIS do?

Given the tough times...They should allow people to stay on in the US as long as another
employer is willing to keep them in status. They should not question the H-1b applications as
everyone knows that USCIS can find issues with every single H-1b extension filed right now
with their respective offices. As someone said - Rejecting a H1b now is like issuing speeding
tickets at INDY 500. Even the largest companies such as Microsoft and IBM can have their
H-1b applications rejected by the USCIS with the silliest of excuse.

What is in it for the USCIS not to do this ethnic cleansing?

Long term vision for America not just right now. This year the US Embassies in India issued over
98,000 visas to students from India. These are students who are paying their way thru education
in the US (a country with the most expensive but best education). If it turns out that US specifically
targets Indians for 'special h-1b rejection treatment' literally half of them will never aspire to come
to the US within the next 2 or 3 years.

Right now the economy is bad, but it will improve: It is a 'perfect storm' right now which is causing
this downturn. The economy will surely improve in the next few quarters. There will then be new
sectors of the economy that will boom that will need professionals. There will be enough work by then
for these H-1b professionals as well as US residents.

Confident and free people contribute positively:
If the word spreads that even in bad times this society did not turn on them then the US people
will be appreciated. But, if the message is, when you are down they will kick you where it
hurts, then this society will not succeed. Just imagine, there are at least 250,000 (maybe more) people of Indian
and Asian origin who would end up buying a house if they knew for sure that they could continue
to live without the fear of being 'ethnically cleansed'. Most Indians and Asians save money and do
not splurge. Just this measure of confidence will ensure that they will spend money in the US
economy. Just their contributions will ensure that there is a bump in the housing sector.

Finally, As they say - "Those who do not learn from history are forced to repeat it". The US
is perpetrating a betrayal of people who could contribute to its success in the long run. But, what they are
getting is a form of 'systematic and legally driven ethnic cleansing' - they are being identified and
driven out of the country which they have loyally served for varying periods of time.....

God Bless America....God Save America from 'some' of its own people.

Thanks.

[Tito_ortiz]

His views are distorted.

Can Americans go to India on H1B or similar visa to get work? No? Well, so think about it.

[Chiwere]

His views are distorted.

Can Americans go to India on H1B or similar visa to get work? No? Well, so think about it.

Skilled immigrant not mucho good googling....:D

The Indian Consulate, New York, provides information on the relevant
Visas. It appears you will have to apply for an Employment Visa. There
is detailed information on the page and a Visa Application Form. I
note there is also a Journalists Visa which is for three months. I
don?t know if this is applicable to your situation.

This is some of the relevant information.

EMPLOYMENT VISA: Employment visas are initially issued for one-year
stay. A copy of the contract with the employer has to be enclosed.
Kindly note that Employment Visa is given only for jobs that require
very high level of skills and expertise. This can be extended by
Foreigners Regional Registration Office in India, if the job contract
continues. Spouses and children are granted co-terminus entry visas on
request.
http://www.indiacgny.org/php/showContent.php?linkid=23

[angelfire76]

His views are distorted.

Can Americans go to India on H1B or similar visa to get work? No? Well, so think about it.

They can get a work permit to work in India. The only requirement is that they have to sign on a police register every month or so. This is because Indian Immigration still has not yet computerized all their records due to little to no demand.
Companies like Infosys and Wipro do hire MBAs and Engineering undergrad students to train in their India offices to understand their business model.
Wait a minute, you are from Germany, a historically xenophobic state. :rolleyes:

[gcisadawg]

LOL

his choice of words was dramatic/wrong but it does'nt take away the fact the veracity of the article he's posted.

i've been hearing about this for a while as well, and it needs to be debated/looked into

This is a real life example that happened a week ago. I was at the gym talking to a guy and he was asking where I was working. I told him and I got a look that suggested it was a crime for me to have a job.....No words exchanged but just the look of it...I could feel it..

[sledge_hammer]

You honestly believe that our problems are comprable to the suffering that the real victims of ethnic cleansing go through?

Why do you want to delete this thread? This is true. The witch hunt has started. Why be scared to say the truth?


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[angelfire76]

This is a real life example that happened a week ago. I was at the gym talking to a guy and he was asking where I was working. I told him and I got a look that suggested it was a crime for me to have a job.....No words exchanged but just the look of it...I could feel it..

Same sense of entitlement to everything landed the US in the soup they are in right now?
There are some very hard-working and bright people and I'm not generalizing here, but they need to understand the the foreign worker (who's probably being paid less than you to do the same job) is not the enemy. The unsustainable lifestyle is.

[angelfire76]

You honestly believe that our problems are comprable to the suffering that the real victims of ethnic cleansing go through?

2 different kinds of torture. The mental and the physical. Even though the extent to which we are being made to suffer (voluntary though) is not even close to the ethnic cleansing, all this anxiety about one's future is sure to send us to an early grave.
You cannot treat people like doormats, removing them when not needed as much. Business is a 2-way street.

[WeldonSprings]

By ensuring that Indians do not get H-1 B visas and don't require their services; the US Government is building Trade Barriers in terms of Indian Goods sold there!!!

WE DO NOT WANT COLGATE, VICKS, COCA-COLA AND PEPSI IN INDIA. THROW THEM OUT! THEY REMIND ME OF BRITISH EAST INDIA COMPANY!!!

Skilled immigrant not mucho good googling....:D

The Indian Consulate, New York, provides information on the relevant
Visas. It appears you will have to apply for an Employment Visa. There
is detailed information on the page and a Visa Application Form. I
note there is also a Journalists Visa which is for three months. I
don?t know if this is applicable to your situation.

This is some of the relevant information.

EMPLOYMENT VISA: Employment visas are initially issued for one-year
stay. A copy of the contract with the employer has to be enclosed.
Kindly note that Employment Visa is given only for jobs that require
very high level of skills and expertise. This can be extended by
Foreigners Regional Registration Office in India, if the job contract
continues. Spouses and children are granted co-terminus entry visas on
request.
http://www.indiacgny.org/php/showContent.php?linkid=23

[tushar123]

Its funny to see that people call this ethinic cleansing.... it is the right of America to punish people who disobey the law. reservation now in india is a better example which deprives people from certain community to persue higher education or employment in govt jobs.

[sanju]

You honestly believe that our problems are comprable to the suffering that the real victims of ethnic cleansing go through?

Are you a jew or are you asking this because you are a conservative Christan and you believe that jews are special because Christ was jew at the time of birth? Not that there is anything wrong with either, but I just wanted to know.

"What I believe" - What difference does it make? Why do you ask? You see its a matter of perspective. Someone may feel extremely miserable going through the process and its possible that that person may chose to compare this experience with the real victims of ethnic cleansing. Just because there is no violence involved, it doesn't mean that things cannot be comparable. Mental agony and silent torture in even worst when compared with physical violence because one is dying every moment you live. You may argue that we are all dying every moment we live, then isn't life just a torture?

Its not necessary that others MUST believe or experience their life the way you or I do. Everybody lives through a different experience. You may not agree with their version or their perspective, but it is not reasonable to force someone to draw comparison based on what you believe. And this is what I believe.

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[venky321]

This is ridiculous; no one asked you to come to this country.

Nor are you entitled to anything besides what they chose to bestow.

Remember that.

[angelfire76]

This is ridiculous; no one asked you to come to this country.

Nor are you entitled to anything besides what they chose to bestow.

Remember that.

Can I then go ask your employer as to why he/she is paying you more than what they might think you deserve to get ? :rolleyes:
After all nobody is forcing you to work with the company right?

[joydiptac]

Ethnic cleansing or not. I somehow knew this was coming. It was obvious, people not getting GCs for so many years. Disaster waiting to happen - count down till the next downturn.

People from Britain and Germany if you are not affected please do not comment. We are smart people we know what is happening no need to rationalize. I would like to see your reaction if you were asked to move back to your country after building a life here for almost a decade.

[BECsufferer]

FYI .. This post is what I received in e-mail few days back.

I would like to bring to the notice of your readers, editorial committee and leaders of
the Indian community of a systematic way that (legally) the US Government is practicing
legal ethnic cleansing of Indians and Chinese and other H-1B visa holders.

While it is agreeable that the current economic downturn is the worst one has seen.
It is time to band together with what resources we have and make it thru this perfect
storm. However, the machinations of a few politicians and the further connivance of the
USCIS, we are about to see a systematic 'legal ethnic cleansing of Indians and other
foreign professionals'.

Leaders of the ethnic Indian community should take up this issue. Leading Indian attorneys
such as Chugh Firm, Khanna Firm, Sheela Murthy, and leaders like Dr. Romesh Japra and
Yogi Chugh etc should do something about this with their contacts at the highest levels.

How is this happening and why is it ethnic cleansing?

Since 1990's every year several thousands of Indian professionals come to the US. Because of
delay in processing of their Green Cards a vast majority of them are on H-1B.

With the current downturn, Sen. Grassley et all have raised such a stink that companies are
forced to lay off H-1b holders first before they lay off any other US employees. While the US
employers may not always do this. They are being shamed into revealing how they laid off
US Citizens before laying off others. Net Net....Indian professionals are being laid off from
large companies (ofcourse, along with layoffs of US citizens and Green card holders as well).

Now, having been laid off, H-1b holders are forced to leave the country within 10 days if they
do not find another job. Now, many are forced to leave the US as they cannot sustain living
in the US. However, some enterprising few are finding lower paying jobs or are finding so called
'body shopping companies' to file their H-1b transfer in anticipation of staying around till the
economy improves and they can find suitable jobs. Here is when the systematic targetting and
ethnic cleansing is coming to the fore. The USCIS in the past which did not, out of the ordinary
question such H-1b transfers. is raising Request for Evidence (RFE) from these companies.

These RFEs are raised in such a way that it is impossible to answer them. They are thus
not only targetting the H-1b candidates, they are systematically undermining the people
(companies) who want to help out H-1b candidates out of their predicament of being stranded.

Imagine living in the US for the past 8 years. Owning a home, then getting in line for the
Green Card. You are close to getting the green card but because of backlog you only get
what is called the Employment Authorization Card (EAD). So, you continue to be on H-1b status.
Then your employer fires you....

There are two paths here.....Technically, with a EAD card you can get employment anywhere
with what is called US AC21 Portability.However, AC21 EAD portability comes with the need
that a person with EAD should have another job with the exact same profile and same salary.
In this market who is going to give you a job with this exact profile as your old job. The only
way for a person to stay on 'legally' is to file a backup H-1b.

Thus a person in the 'last stages' of his green card also actually ends up joining a fresh h-1b
software professional.

Now, what will the USCIS do? They will ensure that they find some issue with the RFE response
provided by the 'body shopping company' and issue a denial of H-1b extension.

The body shopping companies are trying to be the Raoul Wallenbergs (helping with visa when a
person is in distress - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg). However, the USCIS will
ensure that literally hundred thousand Indian and Chinese professionals are kicked out of the
US. The same professionals who came to US to contribute to its success will now be kicked
out of US against their wish. The companies who are willing to help them will also be harassed
in the bargain, some of those companies will be investigated for non-payment of wages, some
of them will be subjected to USCIS audits for trying to help these helpless people whose lives
are being uprooted.....I am not in any way saying that lives of US citizens is not being uprooted.
These are very tough times and there is no reason to pick on the helpless, unrepresented people.

This is as un-american as it gets. US is famous for its chivalry. Over 5000 lives have been sacrificed
in Iraq to foster democracy and fairness in that part of the world. This is an un-American as it gets.
This is a planned lynching and killing of the 'spirit' of the foreign worker who came to US dreaming
of making it the American dream and participating/contributing to its success.

What should the USCIS do?

Given the tough times...They should allow people to stay on in the US as long as another
employer is willing to keep them in status. They should not question the H-1b applications as
everyone knows that USCIS can find issues with every single H-1b extension filed right now
with their respective offices. As someone said - Rejecting a H1b now is like issuing speeding
tickets at INDY 500. Even the largest companies such as Microsoft and IBM can have their
H-1b applications rejected by the USCIS with the silliest of excuse.

What is in it for the USCIS not to do this ethnic cleansing?

Long term vision for America not just right now. This year the US Embassies in India issued over
98,000 visas to students from India. These are students who are paying their way thru education
in the US (a country with the most expensive but best education). If it turns out that US specifically
targets Indians for 'special h-1b rejection treatment' literally half of them will never aspire to come
to the US within the next 2 or 3 years.

Right now the economy is bad, but it will improve: It is a 'perfect storm' right now which is causing
this downturn. The economy will surely improve in the next few quarters. There will then be new
sectors of the economy that will boom that will need professionals. There will be enough work by then
for these H-1b professionals as well as US residents.

Confident and free people contribute positively:
If the word spreads that even in bad times this society did not turn on them then the US people
will be appreciated. But, if the message is, when you are down they will kick you where it
hurts, then this society will not succeed. Just imagine, there are at least 250,000 (maybe more) people of Indian
and Asian origin who would end up buying a house if they knew for sure that they could continue
to live without the fear of being 'ethnically cleansed'. Most Indians and Asians save money and do
not splurge. Just this measure of confidence will ensure that they will spend money in the US
economy. Just their contributions will ensure that there is a bump in the housing sector.

Finally, As they say - "Those who do not learn from history are forced to repeat it". The US
is perpetrating a betrayal of people who could contribute to its success in the long run. But, what they are
getting is a form of 'systematic and legally driven ethnic cleansing' - they are being identified and
driven out of the country which they have loyally served for varying periods of time.....

God Bless America....God Save America from 'some' of its own people.

Thanks.

Dude;

This is called natural correction. Read other posts and you would realize that for last 10 yrs majority of these so called IT programmers didn't even go to proper engineering college. More than half of them weren't even qualified to do the jobs. And than most of them came here and sat on bench, even though their actual jobs were still being searched or finalized. This system was mis-used and abused. Now it's time to pay for it!

So thank God this is happening and hope USCIS does good job this time.

[Bpositive]

More unfriendliness towards legal immigration + H1bs = more outsourcing by firms who can't find talent in US + lesser revenues from education + lesser number of top notch talent coming to the US + lesser number of innovative companies coming to US + less stronger relationships with growth economies

Bad, bad equation for US. If I were a US citizen who really cared for the long term success of the country, I would be really scared

[unseenguy]

This is ridiculous; no one asked you to come to this country.

Nor are you entitled to anything besides what they chose to bestow.

Remember that.

Ridiculous - Did anyone ask Jews not to come to Europe? Did anyone tell you ever to file a green card?

[unseenguy]

These days I get a weird look on the trains and planes. I am wondering why are we in this shit place which is full of unhappiness. But I guess it will take 3-4 months to find a good job from here in India. So I will be here until I find one :-d

[unseenguy]

The real face of America, as we used to see it in India is in full light. Hypocrisy under the name of protecting country's job. I agree with Ash's post that in its substance that unlike holocaust, we are not being killed, however; we are being thrown out just like ethnic Indians were thrown out of Uganda by its dictator. This is not much different.

I understand some people making an argument that this is demand vs supply. But what logic does it make to go aggressively after those who have spent 5-10 years in this country and followed almost everything legally? and at the same time those who are voters , provide them benefits with our tax paid money.

Problem is not them , problem is us. We left our country sick of reservation etc., So our community was sidelined by the politicians in India and we came here foregoing our "voting rights". Hence politicians here dont care about us. We gave up where we belonged to looking for "shortcut" to success only to be deceived by opportunist Americans dangling carrots of green cards and better life.

They are career politicians and they care only about elections and votes. So this is nothing but vote bank politics.

[sanju]

This is ridiculous; no one asked you to come to this country.

Nor are you entitled to anything besides what they chose to bestow.

Remember that.

No one asked anyone to come to this country. But when we came here few years back, we were told that there are set of procedures in place to get green card. Congress never intended to make people for 10 years to get their green cards. So no one asked us that wait for 10 years either. But we paid taxes for all those 10 years. And my tax $$$, government has decided to bailout banks telling them not to hire me. Again, no one asked me how they will spend my tax $$$ just like no one asked me to come to this country.

Sense of entitlement comes from sense of connection and sense of what we deserve. I am entitled to permanent residency because my wife and I have paid around 1/2 million in taxes in last 10 years, more than 99% of "ALL AMERICAN" FAMILIES. So don't tell us what we are entitled and what we are not entitled for, because that's ridiculous.


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[champu]

Its like what NAZIS did to Jews.. Cmon this is America, lets post this to President Obama's website

Administrator may consider removing this thread...

Content and even title is offensive. It may undermine our cause.

[tushar123]

Dude you pay taxes for all the facilities that you are enjoying in this country.... nothing is free here.


No one asked anyone to come to this country. But when we came here few years back, we were told that there are set of procedures in place to get green card. Congress never intended to make people for 10 years to get their green cards. So no one asked us that wait for 10 years either. But we paid taxes for all those 10 years. And my tax $$$, government has decided to bailout banks telling them not to hire me. Again, no one asked me how they will spend my tax $$$ just like no one asked me to come to this country.

Sense of entitlement comes from sense of connection and sense of what we deserve. I am entitled to permanent residency because my wife and I have paid around 1/2 million in taxes in last 10 years, more than 99% of ALL AMERICAN FAMILIES. So don't tell us what we are entitled and what we are not entitled for, because that's ridiculous.


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[angelfire76]

Dude you pay taxes for all the facilities that you are enjoying in this country.... nothing is free here.

We are not eligible for unemployment, Medicare, Social security benefits, in-state tuition (have to verify this), Federal student aid and many more available to GC holders and US Citizens. As far as infrastructure is concerned, it's minimal at best with little to no public transport in most cities (unlike Europe). As IRS doesn't distinguish between citizens and non-citizens we pay the same amount of taxes, but see very little benefit from them.
Can you update your profile or are you one of those FB guys who troll here to give us crap? :rolleyes:

[sanju]

Dude you pay taxes for all the facilities that you are enjoying in this country.... nothing is free here.

Dude, did YOU and 99% of "ALL AMERICAN" FAMILIES not enjoy all the SAME facilities that I enjoy in this country. Why do I pay more than 99% of "ALL AMERICAN" FAMILIES, whatever that means? That's creates entitlement for me. That creates entitlement for EVERYONE in EB category.


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[unseenguy]

Dude, did YOU and 99% of "ALL AMERICAN" FAMILIES not enjoy all the SAME facilities that I enjoy in this country. Why do I pay more than 99% of "ALL AMERICAN" FAMILIES, whatever that means? That's creates entitlement for me. That creates entitlement for EVERYONE in EB category.


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Well with unemployment rate fast approaching 10%, you may want to make your percentage more like 85 or 80%, counting SS benefit, medicare

[shiva7]

If we think about the motive behind this I don't see any reason to believe that it's ethnic cleansing. They want to help Americans but not to punish H1-B workers. It maybe fair to not to hire H1-B or fire H1-B. May be they believe that they could help themselves without any foreign worker. But it is not fair to delay Green cards to those who filed for green cards.Because we went through all the legal processes, spent time, spent money and so on...
:(

[ssingh92]

Dude;

This is called natural correction. Read other posts and you would realize that for last 10 yrs majority of these so called IT programmers didn't even go to proper engineering college. More than half of them weren't even qualified to do the jobs. And than most of them came here and sat on bench, even though their actual jobs were still being searched or finalized. This system was mis-used and abused. Now it's time to pay for it!

So thank God this is happening and hope USCIS does good job this time.

I totally agreed with you. This system has to be cleaned. If a system is being misused then the Gov will take some action. I also dont think they want to remove all Indians from US. I believe they will link this system with a new system similar to JRE and TOFFEL so that a police inspector from India can not come as PL/Sql programmer no matter who is hiring. I know my comment will hurt lot of people here.

[sanju]

I totally agreed with you. This system has to be cleaned. If a system is being misused then the Gov will take some action. I also dont think they want to remove all Indians from US. I believe they will link this system with a new system similar to JRE and TOFFEL so that a police inspector from India can not come as PL/Sql programmer no matter who is hiring. I know my comment will hurt lot of people here.

I bet you, Urban legend or joke about 'police inspector as PL/Sql programmer' is what you heard in some desi party. I have heard that story many times from multiple people, each one telling their own version. Its just like religion, where every one is stupified by other's ignorance and having fun at others expense. Can you name that police officer? Now you won't reply. I bet lot of others on this forum may have also heard this joke. Is there anyone who knows the name of that police officer pl/sql programmer? You see, fun jokes are good only for desi pani puri parties. This is serious discussion going on here, so if you would please excuse us and take your 20 year old jokes to your standard weekend desi parties, please?


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[angelfire76]

I totally agreed with you. This system has to be cleaned. If a system is being misused then the Gov will take some action. I also dont think they want to remove all Indians from US. I believe they will link this system with a new system similar to JRE and TOFFEL so that a police inspector from India can not come as PL/Sql programmer no matter who is hiring. I know my comment will hurt lot of people here.

I think you just invented 2 new exams "JRE" and "TOFFEL"? Are these the ones that a police inspector (like you?) needs to take to become a PL/SQL programmer? :D

[cbadari99]

1 Post WW-1 Germany started to prosper economically, Jewish people have significantly contributed to its development especially by intellectual activities and in knowledge based industry
People of Asian (mostly Indians and Chinese) origin have contributed significantly to the knowledge industry of US and enhanced its intellectual capital

2. Since 1933, Nazi party, their parliamentarians several organizations and general media started a hate campaign against Jews blaming them for all ills of Germany

In US, Different organizations, media personnel and some congressmen started criticizing H1B workers as if they are to blame for the financial downturn and job loss

3. Nazi Eugenics lead by Josef Mengele and others prove through scientific experiment that Jews and non Aryans are intellectually inferior and unworthy to live. Their work was funded by Nazi party
Norman Matloff have performed detailed study to prove that Indian and Chinese people are incapable of innovating. Research funded by CIS whose origin is questionable

4. Jews were to wear special badges with Yuden written in it so that SS guys can identify them easily
Several US states starts issuing DLs that has a different orientation with "TEMPORARY VISITOR" written across it so that cops can easily identify immigrants

5. Starting from 1933, a number of restrictive laws prohibited Jews from taking up professions as lawyers, civil service, professors etc to protect German Jobs
US Congress started imposing some impossible restriction on hiring mostly Indians and Chinese people in key industries and financial sector

6. A strong wave of protectionist sentiment swept Germany. Members of of the Sturmabteilung started picketing outside Jewish business with "Germans! Defend yourselves! Don't buy from Jews."
Strong protectionist sentiment in USA. Different US organizations cautioning against Indian firms in the name of defending American jobs

7. Raiding Jewish business and making arrests on a number of charges
Arrests and charges against body shops have started on body shops.

More to follow

[belmontboy]

Donot abuse the word "Ethnic cleansing". Our situation is nowhere close to being called that.

Whatever is happening right now is Darwin's theory at work - "Survival of the fittest".
Boom in financials, jobs that were spawned by housing, all needs to be corrected.

Its going to be one helluva ride, buckle to your seats folks. I hope we emerge strong from all these.

Good luck and may god bless us all.

[ujjwal_p]

1 Post WW-1 Germany started to prosper economically, Jewish people have significantly contributed to its development especially by intellectual activities and in knowledge based industry
People of Asian (mostly Indians and Chinese) origin have contributed significantly to the knowledge industry of US and enhanced its intellectual capital



Can we stop this bs please. Comparing the fate of us, high-tech, high earning, upper middle class folks with that of millions of people who were killed in Europe, Rwanda, Cambodia is ridiculous and insulting to say the least. Agreed the system is unfair but please let's not get over our heads. People still have the choice to work anywhere(mostly), have the same rights as anyone else, can buy a house, basically do whatever they want, as long as they don't break the law. Such superflous comparison is actually providing fantastic material to the anti-immigrants.

[looivy]

However, the immigration policy has been Europe friendly. They allowed free flow of white Europeans during 19th and a good part of 20th century. No doubt that these Europeans who came also struggled initially.

The recent policy is to block non-English speaking Mexicans. Why shoudl language and to some extent race be a factor?

[sri1309]

IV Core,

Can you please monitor the threads more closely and remove anytning like this. If you are running out of resources, please add some more guys who can do this. There are many guys who always post constructive threads all the time. I may be one of them, if you look at all my previous posts. I can help in cleansing some bad threads here. This thread is insulting to us all, and more to you who maintain this forum, if I am not wrong.

[waitforevergc]

this is an irrelavant thread. pls delete this thread.
'ethnic cleansing' is a strong word and shouldnt be used in our context.
thanks.

[sledge_hammer]

How is it relevent if I am a Jew, a Christian, a Muslim, a Hindu, or anybody else for that matter? Your question is so absurd, and has absolutely nothing to do with what a human being should feel towards the suffering/struggle of another human. The reason I asked you what you think is because you supported OP's idiotic comparison.

I do not know what you have against conservative Christians or Jews, but you knowing my religion will not prove anything or make your statements any more sensible.

In order to feel pain for a person, how closely do you have to be to that person? What is the definition and boundry? Do you need to be only a parent, child, or a sibling? Can you be just a blood relative? Do you have to speak the same language or come from the same state? Do you have to be of the same caste? Same religion? Same race?

Do I HAVE to be a Jew to sympathize with them?

As humans, there are certain standards associated to the pains people go through. The Jews or the Kashmiri Pandits or Muslims or Christians that are killed, gassed, persecuted, imprisoned have definitely been through more than what we legal immigrants are going through.

You ougth to be such an egotistical and selfish person if you feel that your pain (not getting H-1B) is more than someone else's (being killed) because you're experiencing it! Even if you're simply "comparing"!

So in your case, since you support OP's analogy (our suffering vs. Jews), you would rather be gassed like the Jews were than to wait in line for 10 years in the queue for your GC? Or if you feel that being gassed is equivalent to being denied your H-1B extension in a TARP company, be my guest; to have a first hand experience, go lock yourself in your car garage w/ the engine running and all the doors locked. Come back alive (which I highly doubt you will), and tell us that you felt the same pain in that car as you would have felt if your H-1B was denied, then we'll believe you.

Get over yourself and stop writing nonsense!

Are you a jew or are you asking this because you are a conservative Christan and you believe that jews are special because Christ was jew at the time of birth? Not that there is anything wrong with either, but I just wanted to know.

"What I believe" - What difference does it make? Why do you ask? You see its a matter of perspective. Someone may feel extremely miserable going through the process and its possible that that person may chose to compare this experience with the real victims of ethnic cleansing. Just because there is no violence involved, it doesn't mean that things cannot be comparable. Mental agony and silent torture in even worst when compared with physical violence because one is dying every moment you live. You may argue that we are all dying every moment we live, then isn't life just a torture?

Its not necessary that others MUST believe or experience their life the way you or I do. Everybody lives through a different experience. You may not agree with their version or their perspective, but it is not reasonable to force someone to draw comparison based on what you believe. And this is what I believe.

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[sledge_hammer]

To answer your question, no, I'm not a conservative Christian. I'm a Hindu and I'm proud of it!

Now that I have answered your question, allow me ask YOU a few questions:

1. If I really were a Conservative Christian, does my belief that Jew were persecuted hold any less credibility?
2. Are you an anti semite?
3. Are you friends with Ahmedenejad?
4. Do you watch a lot of Mel Gibson movies when you're not otherwise writing nonsense on this forum? :)

Are you a jew or are you asking this because you are a conservative Christan and you believe that jews are special because Christ was jew at the time of birth? Not that there is anything wrong with either, but I just wanted to know.

"What I believe" - What difference does it make? Why do you ask? You see its a matter of perspective. Someone may feel extremely miserable going through the process and its possible that that person may chose to compare this experience with the real victims of ethnic cleansing. Just because there is no violence involved, it doesn't mean that things cannot be comparable. Mental agony and silent torture in even worst when compared with physical violence because one is dying every moment you live. You may argue that we are all dying every moment we live, then isn't life just a torture?

Its not necessary that others MUST believe or experience their life the way you or I do. Everybody lives through a different experience. You may not agree with their version or their perspective, but it is not reasonable to force someone to draw comparison based on what you believe. And this is what I believe.

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[shiva7]

Dear Administrator,
Thank you so much for giving me an opportunity to pay through paypal. I am proud of me for contributing $100.00 today.
I suggest that please keep an activated Paypal logo on our website so our comrades can understand that we could pay through paypal.
I read on our site that we could pay through paypal but didn't know how.
I am not so smart to learn that visa/mastercard/check logo will take me to paypal acoount login page. And so I didn't pay for a long time.
Thank you anyway. Let's continue to struggle.

[polapragada]

For those who is not seeing this is happenning,
Just look at what is happening around you...

[pcs]

1 Post WW-1 Germany started to prosper economically, Jewish people have significantly contributed to its development especially by intellectual activities and in knowledge based industry
People of Asian (mostly Indians and Chinese) origin have contributed significantly to the knowledge industry of US and enhanced its intellectual capital

2. Since 1933, Nazi party, their parliamentarians several organizations and general media started a hate campaign against Jews blaming them for all ills of Germany

In US, Different organizations, media personnel and some congressmen started criticizing H1B workers as if they are to blame for the financial downturn and job loss

3. Nazi Eugenics lead by Josef Mengele and others prove through scientific experiment that Jews and non Aryans are intellectually inferior and unworthy to live. Their work was funded by Nazi party
Norman Matloff have performed detailed study to prove that Indian and Chinese people are incapable of innovating. Research funded by CIS whose origin is questionable

4. Jews were to wear special badges with Yuden written in it so that SS guys can identify them easily
Several US states starts issuing DLs that has a different orientation with "TEMPORARY VISITOR" written across it so that cops can easily identify immigrants

5. Starting from 1933, a number of restrictive laws prohibited Jews from taking up professions as lawyers, civil service, professors etc to protect German Jobs
US Congress started imposing some impossible restriction on hiring mostly Indians and Chinese people in key industries and financial sector

6. A strong wave of protectionist sentiment swept Germany. Members of of the Sturmabteilung started picketing outside Jewish business with "Germans! Defend yourselves! Don't buy from Jews."
Strong protectionist sentiment in USA. Different US organizations cautioning against Indian firms in the name of defending American jobs

7. Raiding Jewish business and making arrests on a number of charges
Arrests and charges against body shops have started on body shops.

More to follow


The pint is well made....

See the history... all big things ( godd or evil ) started small....


How can one bring US out of recession by firing 65000 H1-B when FOUR MILLION jobs are lost in a year ?????

[angelfire76]

The pint is well made....

See the history... all big things ( godd or evil ) started small....


How can one bring US out of recession by firing 65000 H1-B when FOUR MILLION jobs are lost in a year ?????

85000 x 6 = 410k. Of which let's assume that around 30-35k are taken by Indian companies who generally don't use the H1B time to the same extent as local companies or desi consultancies. It still leaves around 300k jobs that could be vacated by force.
Even 30k jobs added "back" to the available pool for American workers is a PR victory for the administration. Besides nobody likes us anyway, which is another PR coup for the antis.

[gc_wow]

That is like Saudi King one fine day deciding he is not going to sell any more oil to US,if such is the case world economy halts.

[go_guy123]

That is like Saudi King one fine day deciding he is not going to sell any more oil to US,if such is the case world economy halts.

If they decide not to sell oil then what are they going to eat. OPEC countries are known to cheat on the quotas. In fact countries Iran export crude oil...and the irony is that they import petrol, diesel etc...they dont produce even the basic refined products for they own use..so without exporting they themselves will have energy shortage.