Where is it all going ....

[sanju]

Someone forwarded me this in the morning. Don't know why, I just thought that someone here will be able to relate to this life experience.

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A personal experience from a “still trying to decide” immigrant to the United States, that may just help the readers understand some real-world perspectives, over and above from raw statistics. My hope is also that this post will help distill facts from quite a few incorrect perceptions on high-technology U.S. immigration — starkly different as they are, from the “cheap labor” problem that the U.S. software industry and society is rife with. I know for a fact that my situation is true for thousands of others, but only a few and select thousands, so that their stories are often drowned in a bustling democratic society. Please bear with me as I forgo my modesty in the interest of providing you with my background.

I happen to have been born in India, among those lucky enough to not only have access to a good education but also with a strong passion for engineering/scientific research as a fulfilling career. After graduating from the premier engineering institution in India, I was accepted for graduate study in one of the best U.S. graduate schools with a Dean’s Fellowship. After completing my Master’s degree and thesis, I chose to move to a U.S. graduate school (ranked as one of the “top 10″) to work for a world-renowned professor on my doctoral dissertation. Throughout my entire graduate career spanning 6 years in the two top-ranked American schools, I earned my subsistence with full-tuition waiver from competitively earned fellowship and scholarship almost completely at U.S. taxpayer expense, totaling about $ 0.5 Million. For about one year of my doctoral dissertation research, I was picked and paid to work embedded at the world’s largest semiconductor company as my talent and work was deemed worthwhile in their efforts to develop the latest and greatest technology in my field. I was awarded the “best research” prize for my doctoral dissertation across disciplines and departments, by the dean of engineering at my alma-mater (the largest public university in the U.S.) — on which I have published many well-cited research papers in the most selective peer-reviewed journals and conferences while also serving as judges in peer-reviewing the work of others. Today I to work in the position of a senior research and development engineer in the semiconductor industry and might I add, I don’t work for cheaper wages compared to any U.S. citizen’s. Just a few months ago, our company shipped the world’s first commercial chip with a novel technology (that has been researched on for the last 40 years but never before successfully deployed), ahead of our South Korean competitor company. My work on a critical and fundamental aspect of this technology went into the working of every chip being shipped with this technology.

Today I am writing this post sitting in India, because for the last 91 days, the U.S. government is trying to decide whether my fully-public, U.S. government and industry funded, published and award-winning research work is aiding terrorists, before they will stamp my H1-B visa. As my petition for U.S. permanent residency as an “outstanding researcher” will take all of 2 years for the government bureaucracy to process, I need the H1-B visa to travel on business in and out of U.S. When I went for the visa stamp, I was promised 4-6 weeks processing time. Just as everyone else under such a “security check” (which pretty much includes everyone with a degree higher than B.S., in any field, currently), I am left stranded without any expectation of accountability or transparency from the U.S. Dept. of State.

I have continuously resided in the U.S. since 2001, and today the silly, disfunctional bureaucracy of U.S. immigration laws is making me seriously rethink whether my talent and career is better contributed to, leveraged at and further developed some other more receptive nation — even as I believe the the U.S. is today my adopted home and would like to give back to the American society that allowed me to professionally achieve nearly everything I have so far, including the international reputation in my field of expertise.

I am not alone. There are a few thousand others with Ph.D.s like me whose lives are being turned upside down by these ham-handed and self-defeating policies of the United States’ immigration. Meritocracy and passion for our work is all that we needed to get us to the points of our careers, not lower wages or longer hours than any of our U.S. citizen peers or immigrants from any other nations. Today I work in a team led by an American manager and team-members comprising natives of Europe, Asia and U.S, selected only on the basis of their abilities and performance, and nothing else. I might add that our team of research & development engineers in Silicon Valley exists today only because of our intrinsic value to our company and these jobs would have long moved to the European operations had we not justified our paychecks irrespective of our nationalities or location. I would like to affirm that we create and justify our own jobs and not “steal” anyone else’s — and we picked our careers and jobs because they are life’s passion (with our intellect and training we could, arguably, earned a much fatter paycheck perhaps in the financial industry).

Most of the media reports in today’s dire economy about high-tech immigration are so often mired with reports of fraudulent H1-B workers and those accepting cheaper wages that the perspectives and plights of us highly qualified, positively contributing researchers to the society and economy are never heard in the din. Most ironically for the United States, a huge majority of us have been educated and trained at the U.S. taxpayer expense to become some of the best in the world in their respective areas of expertise. Despite criticism from several agencies and expert groups such as Government Accountability Office and leaders of academia and industry (including Nobel laureates) against such self-defeating immigration laws and policies, no constructive changes have ever occured. Personally, I am pretty close to the breaking-point and mulling a decision on the very topic of this article, but I hope I have highlighted the plights of a specific category of these contributing immigrants to America with high-returns for the nation, as opposed to the larger statistics that often misses them.

— J Sarkar
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[mbawa2574]

Welcome to 2009 United Socialist Protectionist States of America where innovation, entrepreneurship , skills and creativity will have no market value

[gapala]

If anyone thinks that only the bad apples will be plucked and disposed, Here's a good one left hanging for ever in the name of "what ever", I should say, given everything above is true, an exceptional one. Does people still think that what ever is going on around, is not a part of larger "protectionist" agenda headed by anti-eb-immigrants? This is one of many stories may be yet to be written.

Do you need more proof? just wait for some more time, you will hear more of tourture and reducule.

What surprises me though is that some folks still doesn't get it and they repeatedly post as if only the bad ones are impacted. Unfortunate!
Thanks for sharing this. Hopefully this help some folks wake up to reality.

[telugu_power]

Very good artical indeed

[angelfire76]

The Statue of Liberty says : give me your poor, homeless etc. etc. right. What it actually meant was this: as long as they are from a certain geographical region (atleast as per the pre-1964 immigration law)
My neighbour back home graduated from Columbia University with a Ph.d in Chemical Engineering in 1954. He had a friend who completed his Ph.d in Oceanography from Florida State in the same year. Both had apparently decided to move back as they didn't see a viable way of making a life in the US.
The only reason they are able to get away with it is because we tolerate it, me included.
Everybody knows the DV lottery is a joke, including the lawmakers. Now they want to expand that crappy little program to 100,000, because it attracts people from Europe.

Anyway my point is this: They don't really care. They know all the facts, yet do it intentionally. This guy should've stolen blueprints to that chip on his way home.

[snathan]

Send this one to the Media like AP and NY Times...let all those morons know whats happening and who is losing...

[pmat]

I believe that this is the personal website of the guy. Looks impressive. We may contact him if needed:
http://www.jsarkar.org/

[gauravsh]

All though, I am not as talented as the guy wrote this article but I also think I should go back to India and startup some thing of my own. Atleast I will be in a place where I am welcomed...
Thanks for writing this article...good job!!

[Saralayar]

All though, I am not as talented as the guy wrote this article but I also think I should go back to India and startup some thing of my own. Atleast I will be in a place where I am welcomed...
Thanks for writing this article...good job!!
Starting something in India is too hard. Still the states are being ruled by corrupted politicians who are making their family richer and richer. merrit is still not acknowledged. I feel very bad to tell this but it is the reality.

[sparky_jones]

I am curious if Mr Sarkar's employer has made any bureaucratic efforts on his behalf to expedite his H1B stamping. I am sure his inability to return back to work in the US would be affecting the projects depending on him. Ideally, his employer should’ve approached an influential member of the House or the Senate to request the Department of State to expedite the clearances needed to issue the visa. Executive intervention in the case of high-value workers is usually quite effective.

It’s quite possible that this has been tried without success. I wish Mr Sarkar would share details on this as well. If this approach too didn’t succeed, it would further reinforce the idea that the bureaucracy is damaging the American enterprise.

[gcisadawg]

Sorry to hear about the situation of jsarkar. Hope he gets his visa soon.
Seems like he is thinking that the tax payers paid for his education. Being on F1 and then on H1, he would not have qualified for federal loans and grants. Whatever scholarship he got was probably from his university's endowment funds.

He truly is one high-skilled dude! :D

[sanju]

He truly is one high-skilled dude! :D

And you are truly a Pakistani terrorist.

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[angelfire76]

Seems to be the issue here. Usually anybody working in an area which deals directly with technology utilized for military applications are slapped with this "Request for additional information" . They may or may not work with defense contractors directly, but anything seemingly complex is slapped with 221g by the consular officers. It usually takes 2-3 months to clear. It happened to a former classmate of mine working for the material engineering division in Timken, who contract their composite technology to people like Lockheed and Boeing for use in fighter jet manufacturing. His H1B stamping was finally approved after 8 weeks of uncertainty.

[gcisadawg]

And you are truly a Pakistani terrorist.

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Seems like you are stressed out and that is making you to loose your bearings.
Btw, what made you to think so?
Dude, you should come up with something more nastier to provoke me!

[GreenCardLegion]

Its a shame that people like "J Sarkar" are going through this ordeal. I guess the change mantra of the present democratic administration is totally farse. Idiots. In fact the proponent of change everywhere "Mr Obama" is turning out to be very very anti-legal-immigrant. Shame on the Democrats.

[a.j.2048]

People in niche fields are really suffering. Fields like the one this fellow is in require heavy capital investment, so a decision to start up or attract an investor for a facility outside the US is not easy.

[engineer8916]

Thanks to whoever pulled Joy's profile, and not to digress from the thread here, but PCRAM (Phase change, mram, spin control etc..) falls under controlled technology category (at least our attorney who happens to be a former consulate officer thinks so..). Not that this technology is nascent, but some of the manufacturing techniques are. We (my company) do similar stuff and know of guys who got flagged for this (not in Indian consulates though). It depends on how fast the bureaucracy in Wash., DC responds to the clearance requests. Immigration folks at Joy's workplace may be able to expedite it..

*** As always, above post not to be construed as legal advice.***

PS: Please don't ask me to post my profile. I am a (legal) permanent resident and very empathetic of LPR travails and am a lurker here more than anything else.

PPS: Just thinking ahead before folks ask to "establish" my veracity!

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[sanju]

After outsourcing, Obama opposes overseas nurses
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/after-outsourcing-obama-opposes-overseas-nur.../431684/

What's next?



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[RajahRajah]

"J Sarkar" is indeed a fortunate man. First of all, he received a first-class education at mostly US taxpayer expense and now he is unhappy because his immigration status is questionable. I'd say US has done very well by him and he seems a trifle ungrateful. Second of all, I don't believe he exists. This is one of those apochrophal, "friend of a friend" stories that typically gets circulated in difficult times and falls into the category of an urban legend. It's designed to play on our fears and doubts, because if a genius like "J Sarkar" can't make it, then what chance do the rest of us have?

If you think the "they can live without us" argument carries any weight think again. The reality is we are all guests here and remain only at the pleasure of our hosts. They can tell us all to leave at any time and it may come to that. Look at Uganda under Amin. Eisenhower solved the "wetback" problem in the 50s by rounding them up and shipping them back to Mexico by the thousands. No one even remembers it today. During the Depression, thousands of Canadians had their US work visas cancelled with one day's notice. Tough times often generate a harsh response and everything is on the table.

[chanduv23]

After outsourcing, Obama opposes overseas nurses
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/after-outsourcing-obama-opposes-overseas-nur.../431684/

What's next?



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What kind of training? Is a professional nurse training such an easy thing? Nurse is a very specialty occupation and not everyone can qualify for that job. It needs hard work, dedication, passion, analytical skills , doctoral skills , all sorts of stuff that a professional needs.

[sanju]

Troll alert - anti-immigrant on the loose.


"J Sarkar" is indeed a fortunate man. First of all, he received a first-class education at mostly US taxpayer expense and now he is unhappy because his immigration status is questionable. I'd say US has done very well by him and he seems a trifle ungrateful. Second of all, I don't believe he exists. This is one of those apochrophal, "friend of a friend" stories that typically gets circulated in difficult times and falls into the category of an urban legend. It's designed to play on our fears and doubts, because if a genius like "J Sarkar" can't make it, then what chance do the rest of us have?

If you think the "they can live without us" argument carries any weight think again. The reality is we are all guests here and remain only at the pleasure of our hosts. They can tell us all to leave at any time and it may come to that. Look at Uganda under Amin. Eisenhower solved the "wetback" problem in the 50s by rounding them up and shipping them back to Mexico by the thousands. No one even remembers it today. During the Depression, thousands of Canadians had their US work visas cancelled with one day's notice. Tough times often generate a harsh response and everything is on the table.

[sanju]

And you are saying folks here don't have those skills? Or are you saying enough folks here do not have your skills? I am just messing with you :p

I think this is an indication of coming events. Soon someone will apply the same logic on everything. Folks at the top in various countries see what's going on and what's coming. That's why key allies including British Prime Minister Gordon Brown cautioned against protectionist attitude.

We will see much such news in coming weeks, months, and it will affect us all.

If Obama don't want people coming here, then ask him to make it retroactive from 1959 (an year before his father came here).




What kind of training? Is a professional nurse training such an easy thing? Nurse is a very specialty occupation and not everyone can qualify for that job. It needs hard work, dedication, passion, analytical skills , doctoral skills , all sorts of stuff that a professional needs.

[chanduv23]

And you are saying folks here don't have those skills? Or are you saying enough folks here do not have your skills? I am just messing with you :p

I think this is an indication of coming events. Soon someone will apply the same logic on everything. Folks at the top in various countries see what's going on and what's coming. That's why key allies including British Prime Minister Gordon Brown cautioned against protectionist attitude.

We will see much such news in coming weeks, months, and it will affect us all.

If Obama don't want people coming here, then ask him to make it retroactive from 1959 (an year before his father came here).

Hey, look - there is so much unemployment in US due to recession, and to fix the problem we have to train local candidates as nurses and kick foreign nurses out - does that not solve a part of unemployment problem?

Lets do that with doctors, scientists, engineers - lets kick all the professionals out and train people to build dams, bridges and do open heart surgeries - so that unemployment is solved.

What a wonderful idea

[sanju]

Hey, look - there is so much unemployment in US due to recession, and to fix the problem we have to train local candidates as nurses and kick foreign nurses out - does that not solve a part of unemployment problem?

Lets do that with doctors, scientists, engineers - lets kick all the professionals out and train people to build dams, bridges and do open heart surgeries - so that unemployment is solved.

What a wonderful idea

That's the idea for the CHANGE we can ALL believe in.


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[gcnotfiledyet]

I don't know where this will stop. If he is against nurses then tech folks can kiss green card good bye. There is very little opposition by nurse union and nursing shortage is very well documented fact. Tech jobs are not in shortage, it has such huge opposition, such a controversial issue. Lets see what else is yet to come.

[gcnotfiledyet]

Hey, look - there is so much unemployment in US due to recession, and to fix the problem we have to train local candidates as nurses and kick foreign nurses out - does that not solve a part of unemployment problem?

Lets do that with doctors, scientists, engineers - lets kick all the professionals out and train people to build dams, bridges and do open heart surgeries - so that unemployment is solved.

What a wonderful idea

He might as well barricade all Indians/chinese and kick them out of the country or in concentration camps. I can't believe what this president is saying. Dow plunges everyday he opens his mouth.

[ganguteli]

What kind of training? Is a professional nurse training such an easy thing? Nurse is a very specialty occupation and not everyone can qualify for that job. It needs hard work, dedication, passion, analytical skills , doctoral skills , all sorts of stuff that a professional needs.

I disagree. It is a short term course that does not require much sharpness as engineering or being a doctor. However the returns are high enough to put a progragrammer salary to shame.

nurses have a strong lobby of hospitals, lawyers and bodyshoppers to fight for getting more nurses in USA. They have enough strength to bring bills and even take away from our EB quota.

The fact is nurses have enjoyed an easy ride to USA far too long. They were coming directly on greencards from India that were meant for us EB folks. There is a bad bodyshopping fraud going on and we have not heard any nurse speak up against it. Probably because they get to come drectly on Greencards with their family. Otherwise in India nurses are paid peanuts and cannot even dream of coming to USA so easily. I have heard that nurses find a bodyshopper in India and they bring them to USA after signing a bond. They are put in sub standard living quarters and are forced to work in sub standard hospitals in poor neighborhoods. There is more and I wish some nurses speak up against their exploitation rather than this hearsay.

It is good that Obama has taken a tough stand. I hope he sticks to it rather than being influenced by lobbyists. India needs nurses more than USA.

[gc28262]

That's the idea for the CHANGE we can ALL believe in.


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After 4 years of his presidency, I can see the capitalism in America in same state as communism in China.:rolleyes:. Both non-existent.

He is a good president, for a socialist country.

[chanduv23]

I disagree. It is a short term course that does not require much sharpness as engineering or being a doctor. However the returns are high enough to put a progragrammer salary to shame.

nurses have a strong lobby of hospitals, lawyers and bodyshoppers to fight for getting more nurses in USA. They have enough strength to bring bills and even take away from our EB quota.

The fact is nurses have enjoyed an easy ride to USA far too long. They were coming directly on greencards from India that were meant for us EB folks. There is a bad bodyshopping fraud going on and we have not heard any nurse speak up against it. Probably because they get to come drectly on Greencards with their family. Otherwise in India nurses are paid peanuts and cannot even dream of coming to USA so easily. I have heard that nurses find a bodyshopper in India and they bring them to USA after signing a bond. They are put in sub standard living quarters and are forced to work in sub standard hospitals in poor neighborhoods. There is more and I wish some nurses speak up against their exploitation rather than this hearsay.

It is good that Obama has taken a tough stand. I hope he sticks to it rather than being influenced by lobbyists. India needs nurses more than USA.

My wife is doing her residency in a community hospital in Brooklyn, NY. We live here in this rundown area and yes, there are a lot of foreign nurses (India, Philippines etc.) and all these people live here. So what? The conditions here are far better than say Mumbai. Most of the contracted foreign nurses are either specialists or do nocturnal jobs. Believe me, it is very difficult to find nurses doing night and weekend jobs unless you bait foreign nurses into green cards - you won't find nurses here. This is truth and reality.

Hey if local nurses are willing to take up all these jobs - the industry would be glad to hire them. But there is no preference or whatever you think because of lobbying power. Lobbying is done to get people to fill empty spots - not to replace.

[ganguteli]

After 4 years of his presidency, I can see the capitalism in America in same state as communism in China.:rolleyes:. Both non-existent.

He is a good president, for a socialist country.

Madoff, housing crisis, banking crisis are products of capitalism. Do you want that?

[nk2006]

We will see much such news in coming weeks, months, and it will affect us all.

If Obama don't want people coming here, then ask him to make it retroactive from 1959 (an year before his father came here).

I think so too...we will see much more such news.

Obama administration is trying hard to paint a centrist picture while pushing their agenda. Some of the measures might be a true result of the current mess of economic conditions but they are also using it as an excuse to push some of far left ideology (which would have been difficult to push during normal economic conditions). One example is pampering to labor unions and resulting protectionist agenda.

Its only a month and it might be too soon to judge but their tone and policies so far are completely against our/EB community's interests. Even when (and if) they take up immigration reform - I am fearing there might be more bad news than good news. lets hope this is only our fear and sanity will prevail.

[gc28262]

Madoff, housing crisis, banking crisis are products of capitalism. Do you want that?

FYI: I dislike both capitalism and socialism. IMO both are extremes and are not good.

[chanduv23]

I am surprised that they don't touch the illegals but right on skilled workers. If there haas to be sanity in the immigration system, should illegal immigration not be curbed? Or , is illegal immigration considered "real immigration"?

Like, chase all the EB folks away and then give illegals green cards via CIR

[gc28262]

I am surprised that they don't touch the illegals but right on skilled workers. If there haas to be sanity in the immigration system, should illegal immigration not be curbed? Or , is illegal immigration considered "real immigration"?

Like, chase all the EB folks away and then give illegals green cards via CIR

Yes, that is the double standard of Mr Change.

[gcnotfiledyet]

I am surprised that they don't touch the illegals but right on skilled workers. If there haas to be sanity in the immigration system, should illegal immigration not be curbed? Or , is illegal immigration considered "real immigration"?

Like, chase all the EB folks away and then give illegals green cards via CIR

They will give millions of votes to democrats in future. Illegals will blindly follow herd and vote for dems all their lives.
EB folks on other hand will have informed decision and can vote for either party. We are of no use from electorate point of view. Also we in such a small number that we do not matter.

[ganguteli]

I am surprised that they don't touch the illegals but right on skilled workers. If there haas to be sanity in the immigration system, should illegal immigration not be curbed? Or , is illegal immigration considered "real immigration"?

Like, chase all the EB folks away and then give illegals green cards via CIR

They touch legals beause legals take away jobs that Americans 'want' to do.

Illegals take jobs that Americans do not want to do.

[gcnotfiledyet]

Yes, that is the double standard of Mr Change.

On other hand can you believe a man's word when publicly he declares package without any earmarks and in reality there are nearly 8000 porks built in that proposal? So much for a change!

Oh by the way he just said change, he never mentioned it would be good change.

[gcnotfiledyet]

I've gotten a few emails from folks concerned about remarks President Obama made yesterday regarding the role of foreign nurses in solving the nation's desperate nursing shortage. At a White House health care forum, President Obama discussed the nursing shortage with Congresswoman Lois Capps, a former nurse. According to Indian news service IANS, the President has proposed a substantial budget increase in nursing education in the US in hopes of ending the country's dependence on foreign nurses:

“The notion that we would have to import nurses makes absolutely no sense,” he said at a White House Forum on Health Care Thursday when a lawmaker pointed out that America’s huge shortage of nurses may mount to over 500,000 in the next seven years.

“And there are a lot of people who would love to be in that helping profession, and yet we just aren’t providing the resources to get them trained, that’s something that we’ve got to fix,” he said in response to the question from Democrat Lois Capps, who is one of the three nurses in the US Congress.

“That should be a no-brainer. That should be a bipartisan no-brainer, to make sure that we’ve got the best possible nursing staffs in the country,” Obama said.

Pointing out that US has a huge shortage of nurses and the “greatest bottleneck for educating more nurses comes from the lack of nursing school faculty,” Capps wanted to know how the US can further advance nursing education and faculty training.

Obama agreed, “Nurses provide extraordinary care. …And they don’t get paid very well. Their working conditions aren’t as good as they should be. And when it comes to nurse faculty, they get paid even worse than active nurses.

“So what happens is, is that it is very difficult for a nurse practitioner to go into teaching, because they’re losing money,” he noted.

Some of the headlines in the Asian papers about this story have been misleading. The President has not suggested he won't support nursing immigration legislation. Rather, he's saying that we need to do a better job training more Americans to go in to the profession so we don't need to rely so heavily on nurses from abroad to take care of our patients.

I don't disagree. Nursing is a great profession that is incredibly important and we need to encourage more young Americans to consider a future in the field. But it will take a good ten years of heavy investment in education to be able to really start making a dent in the shortage in this country - estimated at nearly a million nurses. Until then, who will care for our sick? The great thing about the legislative proposal likely to be heard soon for opening up nursing immigration (which has largely been shut down for over a year), is that there are significant new filing fees that will go directly to nursing education initiatives in this country so we can do exactly what the President is proposing.

Nursing immigration won't cure the dire shortage of RNs in this country. But they will help alleviate the systems until we have that cure.


http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/

[angelfire76]

Like it or not, White Americans can not come to terms with accepting colored people coming into "their" country (which was basically snatched from the natives by brute force and slyness).
We have to amit, long as you are not white skinned, you will be discriminated against and looked upon as "coming into our country", "taking our jobs away" and crap like that.
I say, every Indian immigrant family should have 4- kids and increase out numbers here.

If somebody like Jesse Jackson was the president of this country, you won't even be able to set foot in this country. He will shut down all immigration from Asia and let only people from Africa in. The situation is manageable because guys like him are not in power. So let's not tar all white americans with the same brush. After all it was a white guy, Ted Kennedy, who was the architect of the immigration bill allowing people from Asia to immigrate to the US. Don't blame others when there is a population explosion in our own country and our countrymen game the immigration system, making it harder for the others following them.