Start of the Donor Forum on IV

[eb3_nepa]

Hi Guys,

I noticed recently a lot of people have the status of "Donor" instead of "Senior Member", "Member", Junior Member etc.

How does one become a "Donor". I have donated to IV SEVERAL times in the past.

IV has started a donor Forum for contributing members.

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=109

Our monthly subscription based model will help members get access to this area for that time period. In the coming days we will be consolidating all previous subscribers who are continuing their subscription at present to be added as well. If you are an old continuing subscriber, and do not have access, do send an email to info at immigrationvoice.org with your name, email, amount subscribed every month and your IV ID. We will verify it and add you. If you have given a one time payment this month more than $25, we will be dividing it by $25 and the system will calculate the number of months you are subscribed. If you have the old $20/month subscription, please continue that. We will add you in the Monthly subscribers as well.

If you wish to subscribe, please click on the donate now link, adjacent to the green progress bar above and subscribe.

From now we will post IV updates on the donor forum so that members who contribute get the privilege of getting the information. If the information can be released for public, we will release it on the main forums after a delay. Donor forum will have the first access to the information. All donors will be identified by a 'donor' status in their profiles instead of junior/senior members.

If members want to start a thread in the donor forum, please add 'Donor Forum' before the the thread title so that everyone knows it is in the restricted area.

Admins will visit this area more often and answer questions from members. This will also enable more close coordination and communication between committed members. It is sometimes difficult for us to to read every post on the forum or post certain information for public consumption.

Thank you for your continued support

[breddy2000]

Looks like it only tracks people who donated for FOIA

[pappu]

IV has started a donor Forum for contributing members.

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=109

Our monthly subscription based model will help members get access to this area for that time period. In the coming days we will be consolidating all previous subscribers who are continuing their subscription at present to be added as well. If you are an old continuing subscriber, and do not have access, do send an email to info at immigrationvoice.org with your name, email, amount subscribed every month and your IV ID. We will verify it and add you. If you have given a one time payment this month more than $25, we will be dividing it by $25 and the system will calculate the number of months you are subscribed. If you have the old $20/month subscription, please continue that. We will add you in the Monthly subscribers as well.

If you wish to subscribe, please click on the donate now link, adjacent to the green progress bar above and subscribe.

From now we will post IV updates on the donor forum so that members who contribute get the privilege of getting the information. If the information can be released for public, we will release it on the main forums after a delay. Donor forum will have the first access to the information. All donors will be identified by a 'donor' status in their profiles instead of junior/senior members.

If members want to start a thread in the donor forum, please add 'Donor Forum' before the the thread title so that everyone knows it is in the restricted area.

Admins will visit this area more often and answer questions from members. This will also enable more close coordination and communication between committed members. It is sometimes difficult for us to to read every post on the forum or post certain information for public consumption.

Thank you for your continued support

[reddymjm]

Just send an email with details to adminstrator2.

[reddog]

Looks like it only tracks people who donated for FOIA

No, it does not even do that. it does not let FOIA donors logon too.
First, the whole concept of donor based organisation is so stupid.
I mean really stupid.

If the donor based thing is ON, the future of IV is not good.
Yeah, IV does good work by talking to people all around, from different stratas of lawmaking and what not.

but get real, look around guys, information is everywhere, not only here. and you are working for the greater good of the community, only donors are not going to be benefitting from this.

Instead of making donor based posts, have a FOIA kinda drive every now and then.

unbelievable, and to top that, even donors cant access the so called 'DONOR posts'.
talk about low life bureaucracy, welcome to IV.

[ItIsNotFunny]

Looks like it only tracks people who donated for FOIA

Not true. Anybody donates will get Donor status. This is started for last few days, so people who donated in last few days get this. Pappu mentioned that he is planning to cross reference this with old donations but not sure whats happening there.

[reddog]

Not true. Anybody donates will get Donor status. This is started for last few days, so people who donated in last few days get this. Pappu mentioned that he is planning to cross reference this with old donations but not sure whats happening there.

This is how You release code to PROD? no user testing at all?
and the entire paid thing is the beginning of the end. not good.
why didnt we even have a poll on this? crazy crazy idea.

[akhilmahajan]

Give the Core team a break. What you think they have nothing else to do?
They have families and above all they have a life. IV is not paying for their family or anything, so they have to work and earn for their livelihood. They do all this in their spare time, and not like you, who always end up criticizing.

Think before you start bashing or belittle anyone;s efforts.

Go I/V GO. TOGETHER WE CAN

[reddymjm]

It is very easy to contradict or find errors.

No body is getting paid here to have a tester test it.

Yes I like the idea of donor for paid members. There are 31000 members not even 2500 members are contributing. This is one way of making them pay for the services or the info you get from the forum.

[Caliber]

It is very easy to contradict or find errors.

No body is getting paid here to have a tester test it. Yes I like the idea of donor for paid members. There are 31000 members not even 2500 members are contributing. This is one way of making them pay for the services or the info you get from the forum.

I support you reddymjm. It is easy to criticize. Every one should understand this. I was supporting paid forums from the begining. Nothing comes FREE in this world.

Many of my known people who are paid as much as me or even more do not even think of contributing any amount. But they keep questioning when do we get green cards.

We were habituated to criticize others as we were grown to spoon feed by our parents.

I support IV on this.

[ItIsNotFunny]

Pappu,

I have a suggestion! I don't think forcing monthly $25 contribution to keep donor status alive is a very good idea, especially in current economy. Take an example of myself. It is decided that I am going to loose job on 17th March, may not be able to contribute every month.

Rethink!

[reddog]

This is SO wrong. I strongly disagree on this new initiative.
Desperation does not necessarily have to be shown.

[Caliber]

Pappu,

I have a suggestion! I don't think forcing monthly $25 contribution to keep donor status alive is a very good idea, especially in current economy. Take an example of myself. It is decided that I am going to loose job on 17th March, may not be able to contribute every month. Rethink!

Dear ItIsNotFunny,

For committed people like you, we can request IV core for some special consideration.

But I support this initiative. Just see the FOIA thread. We could not even pool up 5K and there are at least 5000 members out of which at least 500 active users.

Unless there is some intiative like this, it will be impossible for pushing any lobbying activities. There are many people who wants every thing free.

I support IV

[ItIsNotFunny]

Dear ItIsNotFunny,

For committed people like you, we can request IV core for some special consideration.

But I support this initiative. Just see the FOIA thread. We could not even pool up 5K and there are at least 5000 members out of which at least 500 active users.

Unless there is some intiative like this, it will be impossible for pushing any lobbying activities. There are many people who wants every thing free.

I support IV

I support the idea. Its just market is bad and people may not be able to contribute so regularly.

[reddymjm]

I too support this. There are exceptions always.. and will be I guess..

[wandmaker]

It is very easy to contradict or find errors.

No body is getting paid here to have a tester test it.

Yes I like the idea of donor for paid members. There are 31000 members not even 2500 members are contributing. This is one way of making them pay for the services or the info you get from the forum.

Actual ball park is 300-350 members, who actually come forward for all campaigns and contribute, and around 50 one-timers.

[needhelp!]

Please send email to info@immigrationvoice.org

Pappu has addressed this in the original thread posted about Donor Forums.


Looks like it only tracks people who donated for FOIA

[gc_on_demand]

Dear ItIsNotFunny,

For committed people like you, we can request IV core for some special consideration.

But I support this initiative. Just see the FOIA thread. We could not even pool up 5K and there are at least 5000 members out of which at least 500 active users.

Unless there is some intiative like this, it will be impossible for pushing any lobbying activities. There are many people who wants every thing free.

I support IV

Then it may start corruption and some people may get access if they are friend of Admins or modetaror. Who is going to define criteria.. ItsNotFunny did good job no doubt but he also did good job at right time. So many members did good job in past but may not benifited becasue they did in past...

[sanju]

Pappu,

I have a suggestion! I don't think forcing monthly $25 contribution to keep donor status alive is a very good idea, especially in current economy. Take an example of myself. It is decided that I am going to loose job on 17th March, may not be able to contribute every month.

Rethink!

Pappu,

Donor forum concept is the only workable model. I request you to not stop this model.

ItIsNotFunny has done very good work to help us all. I would like to double my monthly contribution and contribute on behalf of ItIsNotFunny if that is ok with ItIsNotFunny and you, till the time ItIsNotFunny starts at a new job or till I have a job, whichever is sooner.

Cheers

[wandmaker]

No, it does not even do that. it does not let FOIA donors logon too.
First, the whole concept of donor based organisation is so stupid.
I mean really stupid.

If the donor based thing is ON, the future of IV is not good.
Yeah, IV does good work by talking to people all around, from different stratas of lawmaking and what not.

but get real, look around guys, information is everywhere, not only here. and you are working for the greater good of the community, only donors are not going to be benefitting from this.

Instead of making donor based posts, have a FOIA kinda drive every now and then.

unbelievable, and to top that, even donors cant access the so called 'DONOR posts'.
talk about low life bureaucracy, welcome to IV.

This is how You release code to PROD? no user testing at all?
and the entire paid thing is the beginning of the end. not good.
why didnt we even have a poll on this? crazy crazy idea.

If you are talking about great good of the legal immigration community then you should try to contribute a bare minimum but NO ONE HERE IS FORCING YOU TO CONTRIBUTE, it is just that you will not have access that particular forum. It is America, You don't get free meals everyday.

No offense but IMHO, the real crazy crazy thing would be owning a red dog.

Please fill in your IV profile for the greater good of the community

[wandmaker]

Hi Guys,

I noticed recently a lot of people have the status of "Donor" instead of "Senior Member", "Member", Junior Member etc.

How does one become a "Donor". I have donated to IV SEVERAL times in the past.

Can you take sometime to fill in your profile?

[vin13]

I feel contribution campaign for a specific initiative will have a better result than a general contribution.

The home page should show all the initiatives that is being worked on. Who is leading the effort and then people can contribute for those efforts. This way everyone will have a say in what they feel is more important by contributing more to that effort.

The reason i feel this is because currently the only way i can understand the progress about any initiative is by constantly reading the forum. A lot of times people change topics and open several threads. I need to keep pace with the posts. I spend several hours a day to keep up. I may not be able to do this forever.

Legal employement based immigration has various aspects.Initiative are vast ranging from F1 visas to Advance Parole. If we break the contribution by initiatives, people can visit those areas so they can contribute their time and money more effectively.

Just my 2 cents.

[ItIsNotFunny]

Pappu,

Donor forum concept is the only workable model. I request you to not stop this model.

ItIsNotFunny has done very good work to help us all. I would like to double my monthly contribution and contribute on behalf of ItIsNotFunny if that is ok with ItIsNotFunny and you, till the time ItIsNotFunny starts at a new job or till I have a job, whichever is sooner.

Cheers

Sanju,

Heartly appreciate your friendly gesture. Unfortunately my soul will not accept this solution.

Thanks again for your gesture. I think I got a good friend today, which is difficult :).

[sri1309]

Not true. Anybody donates will get Donor status. This is started for last few days, so people who donated in last few days get this. Pappu mentioned that he is planning to cross reference this with old donations but not sure whats happening there.

Pappu,

In that case I have sent $100 about an year back, and the memo section does say my account name as "sri1309". It was sent by Money order. Can you please change my status as Donor. I like that.
Also I posted one thread just now "lets start writing to Zoe".. Can you please let me know if there is some moderation step which is taking time. Earlier it used to be instantly posted.

ItsFunny,
Thanks,

[amitjoey]

I have been on a monthly contributions program that contributes every month to IV since JAN 2007. If this effort requires the money now, is there a way I can divert the monthly to this effort for the next 3 months. Or should I cancel my monthly contribution and just donate a lump sum for this effort?

[jungalee43]

Pappu,
I have been a donor since 2006 and donated about $1000+ through 3 or 5 one time payments and monthly subscription of $20.
But I discontinued my monthly subscription seeing absence of IV core for long time in 2008. But more than that I was completely pissed off with free riders with one time questions and then disappearing, nanny questions, people sharing jokes on this forum, people commenting on the internal matters of their own country and so on. I felt the forum was being used for all other matters except the one issue it was formed to address: "RETROGRESSION in EB IMMIGRATION".
I am fully supportive of paid membership and welcome this step. I thank IV admin for the same.
Now my questions are
What is the vision / mission/ purpose behind the "donor forum"?
whether members will still be able to post questions for free and get answers? And of course vanish after that.
Would the anti immigrants still be able to use our forum and make posts to tease us?
And most importantly do I have start monthly subscription again to gain access to this forum? If yes, Can I just restart my $20 monthly subscription?

[gc_wow]

roughly I have donated close to $300-$400 for IV,i dosent matter if it says donor or member what ever as long as you are contributing something to iV.Ieven donated 25 for foia.

[sanju]

mad dog,

I think you need to chill out. This was LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG overdue. Why? to get free loaders like you off our back.

Its a lie that donors cannot access donor posts because I am a donor and I just tested it, again. YOU ARE FULL OF BULLSHIT.

And if information is everywhere, why don't you just go somewhere else instead of breathing your heart out over $25.

I decided not to get upset with cheaters and con artist like you, but you just won't give up, would you?

Get lost and get your information from "EVERYWHERE".




No, it does not even do that. it does not let FOIA donors logon too.
First, the whole concept of donor based organisation is so stupid.
I mean really stupid.

If the donor based thing is ON, the future of IV is not good.
Yeah, IV does good work by talking to people all around, from different stratas of lawmaking and what not.

but get real, look around guys, information is everywhere, not only here. and you are working for the greater good of the community, only donors are not going to be benefitting from this.

Instead of making donor based posts, have a FOIA kinda drive every now and then.

unbelievable, and to top that, even donors cant access the so called 'DONOR posts'.
talk about low life bureaucracy, welcome to IV.

[lahiribaba]

IV has started a donor Forum for contributing members.

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=109

Our monthly subscription based model will help members get access to this area for that time period. In the coming days we will be consolidating all previous subscribers who are continuing their subscription at present to be added as well. If you are an old continuing subscriber, and do not have access, do send an email to info at immigrationvoice.org with your name, email, amount subscribed every month and your IV ID. We will verify it and add you. If you have given a one time payment this month more than $25, we will be dividing it by $25 and the system will calculate the number of months you are subscribed. If you have the old $20/month subscription, please continue that. We will add you in the Monthly subscribers as well.

If you wish to subscribe, please click on the donate now link, adjacent to the green progress bar above and subscribe.

From now we will post IV updates on the donor forum so that members who contribute get the privilege of getting the information. If the information can be released for public, we will release it on the main forums after a delay. Donor forum will have the first access to the information. All donors will be identified by a 'donor' status in their profiles instead of junior/senior members.

If members want to start a thread in the donor forum, please add 'Donor Forum' before the the thread title so that everyone knows it is in the restricted area.

Admins will visit this area more often and answer questions from members. This will also enable more close coordination and communication between committed members. It is sometimes difficult for us to to read every post on the forum or post certain information for public consumption.

Thank you for your continued support


With this model can IV still claim to be a non-profit organization? It seems you are exchanging information in return of cold hard cash? :p

[pappu]

Information meant for public will always be shared on the forum. It maybe delayed a bit.

However direct communication with Admins, Sharing of our strategy, developments etc will only be on donor forum. We do not anyways post it on open forums even now.

This initiative is to provide some incentive to members who support IV financially. In a couple of days we are launching another service to IV members that will be a big help. It will always be free for everyone and you will appreciate it. We are working on it these days.

There are some more ideas in the pipeline to even help all IV members. We just have 24 hours in a day, full time jobs and a life of our own. So we are trying to squeeze as much time possible to make this ideas be brought on IV quickly.

[conundrum]

I am not sure whether it helps to have a donor's only club

IV should be open to anyone and everyone.

My question is what stops a donor from posting stuff in the Donors only forum in the open forum? Is IV going to ban them? What is IV planning on doing if it posted on another forum?

IMHO by creating a donors only forum IV is creating more divisions and problems than it can handle. There is already enough division in the legal immigrant community in IV and one more is definitely not going to help anyone. By all means designate someone as a donor but a seperate forum........

It is very easy to contradict or find errors.

No body is getting paid here to have a tester test it.

Yes I like the idea of donor for paid members. There are 31000 members not even 2500 members are contributing. This is one way of making them pay for the services or the info you get from the forum.

[pappu]

I have been on a monthly contributions program that contributes every month to IV since JAN 2007. If this effort requires the money now, is there a way I can divert the monthly to this effort for the next 3 months. Or should I cancel my monthly contribution and just donate a lump sum for this effort?

If you have a continuing monthly contribution, just send us an email at info at immigrationvoice.org with your name , amount per month, IV ID and we will add you to the donor group after verification

[pappu]

The vision and mission is same. This change is to acknowledge people who support us. We will continue to post public updates as we have done. We feel by having all sincere members who support us in one place we can do better in our efforts.
members can still post questions and threads for free. All forums are available to everyone for free. Except the small donor forum.

[gc28262]

Pappu,

I have a suggestion! I don't think forcing monthly $25 contribution to keep donor status alive is a very good idea, especially in current economy. Take an example of myself. It is decided that I am going to loose job on 17th March, may not be able to contribute every month.

Rethink!

I think IV core can give lifetime exception to active members like 'ItIsNotFunny' for their efforts. For others, let monthly contribution stay.

[vin13]

Pappu,
I have been a donor since 2006 and donated about $1000+ through 3 or 5 one time payments and monthly subscription of $20.
But I discontinued my monthly subscription seeing absence of IV core for long time in 2008. But more than that I was completely pissed off with free riders with one time questions and then disappearing, nanny questions, people sharing jokes on this forum, people commenting on the internal matters of their own country and so on. I felt the forum was being used for all other matters except the one issue it was formed to address: "RETROGRESSION in EB IMMIGRATION".
I am fully supportive of paid membership and welcome this step. I thank IV admin for the same.
Now my questions are
What is the vision / mission/ purpose behind the "donor forum"?
whether members will still be able to post questions for free and get answers? And of course vanish after that.
Would the anti immigrants still be able to use our forum and make posts to tease us?
And most importantly do I have start monthly subscription again to gain access to this forum? If yes, Can I just restart my $20 monthly subscription?


I agree with you. I hope we get some clear vision/mission/purpose behing the 'donor forum'

[snathan]

No, it does not even do that. it does not let FOIA donors logon too.
First, the whole concept of donor based organisation is so stupid.
I mean really stupid.

If the donor based thing is ON, the future of IV is not good.
Yeah, IV does good work by talking to people all around, from different stratas of lawmaking and what not.

but get real, look around guys, information is everywhere, not only here. and you are working for the greater good of the community, only donors are not going to be benefitting from this.

Instead of making donor based posts, have a FOIA kinda drive every now and then.

unbelievable, and to top that, even donors cant access the so called 'DONOR posts'.
talk about low life bureaucracy, welcome to IV.

Yes...this how we need to work. Why you dont support the donor idea. We dont need the free riders. We need only comitted people and not junks

[pappu]

With this model can IV still claim to be a non-profit organization? It seems you are exchanging information in return of cold hard cash? :p

Being a non-profit does not mean everything is free. Even some of our profession's organizations are non-profits and they want subscription to even login to their site. We are being very generous and providing everything for free and we will continue to do so to provide free access to immigrants on our site. Only a small donor area is for donors so that such members can have easy access to information and admins.

[needhelp!]

Please read the purpose of the organization.
Information exchange is only a by product and not the goal of IV.

With this model can IV still claim to be a non-profit organization? It seems you are exchanging information in return of cold hard cash? :p

[vin13]

Yes...this how we need to work. Why you dont support the donor idea. We dont need the free riders. We need only comitted people and not junks

I support the donor idea. But there is no transperency to who is leading what initative. If i want to contribute my time, i have to read through the posts every day for several hours to find who is leading the effort so i can discuss with them. Sometimes i feel there is so much more talk.

Why don't we list out the initiatives that is being considered or worked on. Along with some contact information so people can discuss offline with them. I cannot be online for several hours and read through all the discussions and still not find out who is coordinating the efforts.

[needhelp!]

So you want the people who are working on the initiatives to to go through and read and respond to every individual?
wow!

I support the donor idea. But there is no transperency to who is leading what initative. If i want to contribute my time, i have to read through the posts every day for several hours to find who is leading the effort so i can discuss with them. Sometimes i feel there is so much more talk.

Why don't we list out the initiatives that is being considered or worked on. Along with some contact information so people can discuss offline with them. I cannot be online for several hours and read through all the discussions and still not find out who is coordinating the efforts.

[vin13]

So you want the people who are working on the initiatives to to go through and read and respond to every individual?
wow!

You are not getting my point. It is the other way around. I want to know who is leading the effort so i can contact them and respond or contribute.

[Caliber]

I support the donor idea. But there is no transperency to who is leading what initative. If i want to contribute my time, i have to read through the posts every day for several hours to find who is leading the effort so i can discuss with them. Sometimes i feel there is so much more talk. Why don't we list out the initiatives that is being considered or worked on. Along with some contact information so people can discuss offline with them. I cannot be online for several hours and read through all the discussions and still not find out who is coordinating the efforts.

Dear Vin13,

Thanks for the idea. May I request you to please inform every one here, number of hours that you can spend volunteering for IV? I ONLY contributed DOLLARS, but never contributed TIME and I feel ashamed of that. There are many people who have contributed both dollars and time.

If you promise some time volunteering to IV for all the ideas that you listed, I am PROMISING to contribute DOLLARS for you. Are you ready? If so, please send email to IV core.

Thanks again for the idea.

[vin13]

Dear Vin13,

Thanks for the idea. May I request you to please inform every one here, number of hours that you can spend volunteering for IV? I ONLY contributed DOLLARS, but never contributed TIME and I feel ashamed of that. There are many people who have contributed both dollars and time.

If you promise some time volunteering to IV for all the ideas that you listed, I am PROMISING to contribute DOLLARS for you. Are you ready? If so, please send email to IV core.

Thanks again for the idea.

Here is my point. I spend several hours 3-4 hours at least every day looking through the forum posts hoping to find ways i can contribute to efforts. There are several ideas that are generated in the forum. But cannot find out who is leading it. All i am saying is if we can have a listing of initiatives with some names associated. So i can contribute to the ones that i can support.

I am not sure if i am asking for too much here. I am not a IT guy. I do not know what it takes to post it in the front page.

[Caliber]

Here is my point. I spend several hours 3-4 hours at least every day looking through the forum posts hoping to find ways i can contribute to efforts. There are several ideas that are generated in the forum. But cannot find out who is leading it. All i am saying is if we can have a listing of initiatives with some names associated. So i can contribute to the ones that i can support. I am not sure if i am asking for too much here. I am not a IT guy. I do not know what it takes to post it in the front page.

Dear Vin,

Thanks for your inputs. What I am suggesting is that, every one of us should volunteer for our own good. If you can spend some time, I sugggest that, you send an email to IV core offering them your time so that you can share some of their work load.

[new_horizon]

I fully support this donor forum. there should be some incentive for members who donate. they are not doing it because they have lots of money to spare, but they sacrifice because they believe in this cause. I don't think $25 is going to break anyone's bank. Just sacrifice something that you consume/enjoy every week, and donate that.

It's a pity that even with about 25K members, we cannot raise a minimal amount. People need to realize they cannot simply enjoy the benefits of someone else's labor.

[needhelp!]

Here is my point. I spend several hours 3-4 hours at least every day looking through the forum posts hoping to find ways i can contribute to efforts.

You should find ways to participate if you click on the orange Action Alerts link.

Also, click on "Advocacy" and "Volunteer" in the blue menu bar at the top of every page. You will find TONS of things to do on an ongoing basis.


Did you:
Join your state chapter?
Send letters for FOIA campaign?
Send letters on the spate of I-485 denials?
Send letters to Senators regarding Housing Crisis?
Participate in Team IV?

All links are available under action alerts and first post of each of those threads has all the relevant information. I am not sure what other information you are seeking.

[NolaIndian32]

I fully support a donor-based forum too. I support the concept as put forth by IV Core.

Reddog, if information if free elsewhere, why are you still here at IV? If you are so unhappy with IV, why don't you find another forum where you CAN be happy?

It is very easy to contradict or find errors.

No body is getting paid here to have a tester test it.

Yes I like the idea of donor for paid members. There are 31000 members not even 2500 members are contributing. This is one way of making them pay for the services or the info you get from the forum.

[pappu]

I fully support this donor forum. there should be some incentive for members who donate. they are not doing it because they have lots of money to spare, but they sacrifice because they believe in this cause. I don't think $25 is going to break anyone's bank. Just sacrifice something that you consume/enjoy every week, and donate that.

It's a pity that even with about 25K members, we cannot raise a minimal amount. People need to realize they cannot simply enjoy the benefits of someone else's labor.

Yes. I agree. We had to do this because we saw that even after running a drive for FOIA that helps every member we could not reach the goal yet. This data will be sought by all of us but if we are not ready to support the effort, it will be tough to invest in it. The subscriptions will help us continue IV initiatives with more zeal and we will know that a lot of members support us.

[NolaIndian32]

Hi Vin,

TeamIV completed its goal over a 12 month span, we raised approx $3000. If you are looking to contribute now, we can still collect money from you. If you are seriously interested, please PM me right away and i get you the details of how to contribute. 100% of your donation will go towards IV's lobbying efforts.

Thanks for your interest in helping IV.

And if you need to find out who is leading an initiative, it is pretty much in the first post of the new thread. So it is easy to pinpoint that person, then you can contact him/her to contribute to their campaign (how come i didn't hear from you? :-) )

Nola

Here is my point. I spend several hours 3-4 hours at least every day looking through the forum posts hoping to find ways i can contribute to efforts. There are several ideas that are generated in the forum. But cannot find out who is leading it. All i am saying is if we can have a listing of initiatives with some names associated. So i can contribute to the ones that i can support.

I am not sure if i am asking for too much here. I am not a IT guy. I do not know what it takes to post it in the front page.

[browncow]

I do not support this donor ONLY idea.
Also, Day 1, the FOIA initiative had a goal of $5K.
And without reason, the goal was increased to $10K.

So, pappu should not complain of not reaching the goal when he keeps increasing the goal.
stay consistent.

[ganguteli]

I mean really stupid.

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If you do not want to pay, get your employer and your lawyer to contribute to IV :D:D

[ganguteli]

I do not support this donor ONLY idea.
Also, Day 1, the FOIA initiative had a goal of $5K.
And without reason, the goal was increased to $10K.

So, pappu should not complain of not reaching the goal when he keeps increasing the goal.
stay consistent.

Is reddog the new browncow? :D:p;)

Dint you read that 5K will get us the data in more than 1 year. Do you want to wait for one year.

[ItIsNotFunny]

I do not support this donor ONLY idea.
Also, Day 1, the FOIA initiative had a goal of $5K.
And without reason, the goal was increased to $10K.

So, pappu should not complain of not reaching the goal when he keeps increasing the goal.
stay consistent.

OK. I take the blame for this. Pappu didn't increase the goal, I did.

USCIS asked for $5K for information. As per Pappu's investigation, USCIS is currently resolving FOIA filed a year back. In that case even after paying 5K, we may get information after a year. We needed little more money keep our options open as we are determined to get this information from USCIS. This is why we needed more money and I raised the goal. If it can be done by 5K, rest of the money will go to IV lobbying efforts. There is nothing wrong in that.

Core team may not like this but I can understand your point. There is a communication gap between IV Core team and members. Core team wants to hide everything they are doing assuming that anti are reading the forum and they will know what we are doing. On other side members feel uncomfortable as nothing comes out as solid / strong plan of action. There were couple of instances were I personally felt that core talks too much among themselves and release almost zero information to members, it may be good for community overall but not good for an organization where everyone is participating directly or indirectly. By recent posts by Pappu, I think they are improving.

We need to give them a chance as anyways their act is selfless. They may be lagging in personal management but they are not bad by heart or doing anything for personal benefit.

[reddymjm]

I do not support this donor ONLY idea.
Also, Day 1, the FOIA initiative had a goal of $5K.
And without reason, the goal was increased to $10K.

So, pappu should not complain of not reaching the goal when he keeps increasing the goal.
stay consistent.
Its just not pappu.
We all felt like increasing the goal becasue out the 100 or so FOIA responses we got atleat we should be able to respond to couple of them. FOIA is not the only one needing money.

[reddymjm]

I do not support this donor ONLY idea.
Also, Day 1, the FOIA initiative had a goal of $5K.
And without reason, the goal was increased to $10K.

So, pappu should not complain of not reaching the goal when he keeps increasing the goal.
stay consistent.

You just joined and started questioning moran..

[conundrum]

It will be great if everyone who comes to IV contributes. That would be the ideal case scenario. But I think if there were specific donation drives like the one that is on going, then I believe a lot of people who believe in that cause would contribute and others who dont, wont!

Now, in this donor's only club that IV is proposing to have, what does the core have in mind. Is that going to be a forum where exclusive information is provided? What is the incentive for a "donor" to visit the general public forum? If the "donor"s dont visit the general forum arent you effectively killing off the general forum?

Like I had posted earlier, what stops a donor from making whatever is there in the donors only forum made available to everyone? Isnt this going to cause more divisions within IV?

Instead of forum for donors wouldnt it make more sense to have additional features made available to donors? Say, like having the ability to ask questions to a immigration lawyer or if any lawmaker is ready to answer quetions, the ability to post questions to them. I am all for donors getting a little bit of extra perks, but to have seperate forum... I am not sure if that is the best way for IV to go abt.


Yes. I agree. We had to do this because we saw that even after running a drive for FOIA that helps every member we could not reach the goal yet. This data will be sought by all of us but if we are not ready to support the effort, it will be tough to invest in it. The subscriptions will help us continue IV initiatives with more zeal and we will know that a lot of members support us.

[axp817]

I'm all for the donors only area.

nuff said,

[needhelp!]

reddog, please explain how you have supported IV in the past in non-monetary ways. For lobbying, there is not much you can do other than support monetarily,or make trips to DC yourself.
I am sure IV core will at least consider such non-monetary support on case-by-case basis.

So your definition of support is 'monetary support' only?

[reddog]

reddog, please explain how you have supported IV in the past in non-monetary ways. For lobbying, there is not much you can do other than support monetarily,or make trips to DC yourself.
I am sure IV core will at least consider such non-monetary support on case-by-case basis.

no, i am not going to switch to defensive mode. this is not about me.

[gc28262]

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Core team may not like this but I can understand your point. There is a communication gap between IV Core team and members. Core team wants to hide everything they are doing assuming that anti are reading the forum and they will know what we are doing. On other side members feel uncomfortable as nothing comes out as solid / strong plan of action. There were couple of instances were I personally felt that core talks too much among themselves and release almost zero information to members, it may be good for community overall but not good for an organization where everyone is participating directly or indirectly. By recent posts by Pappu, I think they are improving.

We need to give them a chance as anyways their act is selfless. They may be lagging in personal management but they are not bad by heart or doing anything for personal benefit.

With all due respect to the selfless hard work of IV core, I concur with ItIsNotFunny. There are many members who feel this way. IV core should be more open to members. I feel a cloud of secrecy always surrounding IV. Of course they cannot be public about all their activities, but more needs to be done on this front. You will see more members actively participating if core is more open.

[needhelp!]

We cannot expect core members to be online all the time, and we cannot expect to see lobbying related information unless a bill actually comes out. I think what we CAN do is keep the average members like me who want to do something, engaged with things that are within reach.

FOIA campaign was a great example of this.

However, I am very sad to report that only 3 other members from Texas Chapter participated. With such level of participation, I am not even sure that such campaigns are meaningful. Lobbying seems the best option, where we can pay and then be lazy the rest of the time, but the drawback is that updates will be once in 6 months or a year depending on when bill is being introduced.

With all due respect to the selfless hard work of IV core, I concur with ItIsNotFunny. There are many members who feel this way. IV core should be more open to members. I feel a cloud of secrecy always surrounding IV. Of course they cannot be public about all their activities, but more needs to be done on this front. You will see more members actively participating if core is more open.

[needhelp!]

no, i am not going to switch to defensive mode. this is not about me.
OK, then who are you trying to include?

[vin13]

With all due respect to the selfless hard work of IV core, I concur with ItIsNotFunny. There are many members who feel this way. IV core should be more open to members. I feel a cloud of secrecy always surrounding IV. Of course they cannot be public about all their activities, but more needs to be done on this front. You will see more members actively participating if core is more open.

I totally agree to this. Everytime i try to bring this point across all that is being asked is go contribue some money. I have contributed money before and i will contribute lot more if i know what it is getting used for.

There are several of my friends who are not actively looking at IV site. I am sure they will contribute money if they know the initiative IV is currently working on.

[ItIsNotFunny]

We cannot expect core members to be online all the time, and we cannot expect to see lobbying related information unless a bill actually comes out. I think what we CAN do is keep the average members like me who want to do something, engaged with things that are within reach.

FOIA campaign was a great example of this.

However, I am very sad to report that only 3 other members from Texas Chapter participated.

I consider FOIA is a multifold success. Not only we achieved milestone 1 of $5K, we were successful enough to wake up members to do something after long time. Why do you think the very same members were sleeping? I don't believe IV Core was not doing anything in last few months but members always felt that there is no plan of action from IV. There is nothing worst could happen to us just by disclosing our plan of actions in controlled way like:

1. <<ABC>> is preparing document for final data information.
2. <<XYZ>> is evaluating other options how we could retrieve this information.
3. <<DEF>> is understanding how FOIA works and how long it will take us to get data and what will be the best option to get it earlier.
4. <<MMM>> is working on funding drive for this.

There is no reason to hide even this kind of information. But if we do this, members understand what we are doing at high level.

My 2 cents.

[needhelp!]

I totally agree to this. Everytime i try to bring this point across all that is being asked is go contribue some money. I have contributed money before and i will contribute lot more if i know what it is getting used for.

There are several of my friends who are not actively looking at IV site. I am sure they will contribute money if they know the initiative IV is currently working on.
Unfortunately, we will never know the daily or weekly details. If you see three bills introduced in a year like you saw last year, then it is the result of lobbying effort. IV core has periodic meetings with lobbying firm and all your money goes into that. Plus several trips to DC by IV leadership, to represent YOU and ME.

[vin13]

Unfortunately, we will never know the daily or weekly details. If you see three bills introduced in a year like you saw last year, then it is the result of lobbying effort. IV core has periodic meetings with lobbying firm and all your money goes into that. Plus several trips to DC by IV leadership, to represent YOU and ME.

Are you part of core?

Can i take that core will not even give out information on what efforts it is lobbying currently?

I wonder how i will convince some of my friends to contribute to an effort which is not shared?:confused:

[ganguteli]

Reddog is an agent of someone paid to view IV site and create anti-IV posts. He may very well be an anti-immigrant who is now worried that he may not get access to secret info of our efforts.

If he cares for immigrants, why has he not even updated his profile with his application dates. I bet he will also be annonymous with fake contact info.

Tell us what you have done for IV till now?

[ganguteli]

Are you part of core?

Can i take that core will not even give out information on what efforts it is lobbying currently?

I wonder how i will convince some of my friends to contribute to an effort which is not shared?:confused:

Please do not convince your friends.

If you are yourself not contributing, how will you convince them to contribute. :D

[needhelp!]

No. Core member details are on IV About Us.
Agenda of lobbying remains same. It doesn't change weeky/monthly or even annually. Country quotas, increase in EB gc numbers, portability issues. It is also on IV website. Please look. No more details other than that will be made available, unless a bill is on the floor, thats when you see the results. Results are hard to come by. Core cannot reveal roadblocks or mini successes as these are all detrimental to the effort.

Are you part of core?

Can i take that core will not even give out information on what efforts it is lobbying currently?

I wonder how i will convince some of my friends to contribute to an effort which is not shared?:confused:

[ganguteli]

I consider FOIA is a multifold success. Not only we achieved milestone 1 of $5K, we were successful enough to wake up members to do something after long time. Why do you think the very same members were sleeping? I don't believe IV Core was not doing anything in last few months but members always felt that there is no plan of action from IV. There is nothing worst could happen to us just by disclosing our plan of actions in controlled way like:

1. <<ABC>> is preparing document for final data information.
2. <<XYZ>> is evaluating other options how we could retrieve this information.
3. <<DEF>> is understanding how FOIA works and how long it will take us to get data and what will be the best option to get it earlier.
4. <<MMM>> is working on funding drive for this.

There is no reason to hide even this kind of information. But if we do this, members understand what we are doing at high level.

My 2 cents.

I agree with you

[needhelp!]

Please do not convince your friends.

If you are yourself not contributing, how will you convince them to contribute. :D
Agree with you.

[reddog]

Reddog is an agent of someone paid to view IV site and create anti-IV posts. He may very well be an anti-immigrant who is now worried that he may not get access to secret info of our efforts.

If he cares for immigrants, why has he not even updated his profile with his application dates. I bet he will also be annonymous with fake contact info.

Tell us what you have done for IV till now?

So now I am a traitor and a secret agent and a US citizen, just bcos I dont concur with the DONOR based thread idea?

[ItIsNotFunny]

So now I am a traitor and a secret agent and a US citizen, just bcos I dont concur with the DONOR based thread idea?

All, lets not waste energy in negative direction. Not going to help us anyways. Reddog, why don't you contribute for obvious cause of FOIA?

[reddog]

All, lets not waste energy in negative direction. Not going to help us anyways. Reddog, why don't you contribute for obvious cause of FOIA?

I already did. I just dont like this DONOR based thread idea. for reasons already stated.

[vin13]

Please do not convince your friends.

If you are yourself not contributing, how will you convince them to contribute. :D

Great! Someone should give you an award for motivation

For your information, i have contributed to IV monetarily. It just does not show up on the handle for some reason i do not know.

[ItIsNotFunny]

I already did. I just dont like this DONOR based thread idea.

Appreciate it. Lets not use hard language and insult each other. Keep in mind, united we stand.

[conundrum]

As much as I appreciate the efforts that the IV core team has put in, them being so secretive, it is almost like they have formed a cabal.

I agree with ItIsNotFunny. The very least the IV core team can do is post updates on what they are up to. That way if someone believes in a particular initiative that IV is undertaking wants to help, they can contact the concerned IV core team member and offer to help.

I am sure instead of the core team trying to burden themselves with all the work, if they let individuals who believe in particular cause to help them, then life would be a lot easier for everyone. I guess that would also get more people involved with IV.

I know I am out of the rat race, so if you think I am being patronizing, my apologies.

[sanju]

Great! Someone should give you an award for motivation

For your information, i have contributed to IV monetarily. It just does not show up on the handle for some reason i do not know.

So you are looking for motivation? Your post do not indicate that you are looking for motivation. There are those who are undecided or who cannot find enough energy/motivation to do something, and those people need motivation. You don't fall in that category. You are pretty much convinced that you don't belong here. Now you are just spoiling the environment to make sure that others all leave looking at you and mad-dog bickering. And one need not be a rocket scientist to figure that out. Its obvious. There goes your flag for "award for motivation". What's next, you need a shoulder to cry?

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[JazzByTheBay]

Is more or less what I've been vouching for in the past.
You pay the dues, you get benefits.

Just like any other organization, since charitable donations are not enough to sustain an organization where the end-goal isn't really charity, imho.

As far as code and prod is concerned, IV itself is not PROD as an organization just yet. We're a loosely-knit community of folks who want to work towards a common goal for out own benefit.

If 25,000 or whatever number we're at pay/contribute/donate (whatever you want to call it) 20/50/100 $/year for "membership", we'll have a better shot at going "PROD", sustaining the infrastructure and the spirit.. and perhaps achieve our goals, imo again. :)

jazz

This is how You release code to PROD? no user testing at all?
and the entire paid thing is the beginning of the end. not good.
why didnt we even have a poll on this? crazy crazy idea.

[JazzByTheBay]

Hate to be repetitive, so just read my prev response.

jazz

Here is my point. I spend several hours 3-4 hours at least every day looking through the forum posts hoping to find ways i can contribute to efforts. There are several ideas that are generated in the forum. But cannot find out who is leading it. All i am saying is if we can have a listing of initiatives with some names associated. So i can contribute to the ones that i can support.

I am not sure if i am asking for too much here. I am not a IT guy. I do not know what it takes to post it in the front page.

[vin13]

So you are looking for motivation? Your post do not indicate that you are looking for motivation. There are those who are undecided or who cannot find enough energy/motivation to do something, and those people need motivation. You don't fall in that category. You are pretty much convinced that you don't belong here. Now you are just spoiling the environment to make sure that others all leave looking at you and mad-dog bickering. And one need not be a rocket scientist to figure that out. Its obvious. There goes your flag for "award for motivation". What's next, you need a shoulder to cry?

.

If i did not care about it, i would not have replied so much in this post. Talking about spoiling the environment... read your own posts and you will know...

[vin13]

As much as I appreciate the efforts that the IV core team has put in, them being so secretive, it is almost like they have formed a cabal.

I agree with ItIsNotFunny. The very least the IV core team can do is post updates on what they are up to. That way if someone believes in a particular initiative that IV is undertaking wants to help, they can contact the concerned IV core team member and offer to help.

I am sure instead of the core team trying to burden themselves with all the work, if they let individuals who believe in particular cause to help them, then life would be a lot easier for everyone. I guess that would also get more people involved with IV.

I know I am out of the rat race, so if you think I am being patronizing, my apologies.

I agree with you. I admire your involvement with this effort even after you got your GC.

[sprash]

I know I might get bashed over this - but I don't see the so called "freeloaders" like me to be worthless as donors often tend to accuse.

In the past, I have doled out valuable information.... and have taken pains to scan my RFE and post it with detailed explanations etc for the benefit of the community. I have replied to people to the best of my knowledge and participated in numerous mailing campaigns. While those efforts may not be even close to what others have done here, I do believe that donations should be just that 'donations' and not turn that into a 'membership'.

Already I see people asking for exceptions "I have done xyz so I should get free access etc". I'm with that other 'donor' who said that we have enough divisions in our community already.

Keep in mind that by giving such an incentive to pay, you are also giving a disincentive for people to participate and share their data and their valuable experiences (thats not freeloading!).

[ganguteli]

This is nothing but a typical desi mentality coming out from all of us. We all want to get everything for free or at a discount. Each dollar is saved to be transferred to India or to buy larger flat screen TV than our friends at home. :)

[Administrator2]

All,

Please understand few basic facts.


Much of the work that we do is not on the website but behind the scene.
We need resources to carry the message to the lawmakers.
Resources are contributed by the members.
All members do not contribute, and then there are those who contribute.
We have created a specific area on the website where more serious members who are willing to open their wallets, could actively participate, and that will enable us to enlist more active members for the work that we do behind the scene.
Its just one way for us to recruit serious members to help us with more active work and at the same time help to continue with the organizational goals.
From time to time, we will also seek advice from the contributing members. And when we need more help, we will reach out to everybody on the website.
Rest of the area on the forum will continue to be the way that it is right now and every member will continue to access it the way you access it right now.
We are soon going to introduce new and more helpful features for everyone.


Which part of this is not fair? Why can't we all get along? Why do we have to argue and fight over everything?

Please, its not helping this way.

[qasleuth]

ok...I am trying really hard to understand what you are trying to convey. What is your concern ? People will stop visiting IV and go to other websites ?
No need to be over-dramatic (did not read any one calling you a traitor). People talk about going back to their home countries too (but I actually see a small fraction of people actually doing it).

I am not sure you understand the concept of an organization offering 'services' to its members. X man hours to produce ? what are you talking about ?
My friend it is not just 'information'. Information is money. All you are talking about is 'forums/discussion boards'. I have mentioned this before as well. IV is more than a discussion board and you can make no comparison to other tracker websites.

Here is some additional info about non-profit orgs. You SHOULD read about non-profit orgs in the below link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit



So your definition of support is 'monetary support' only?

I am sorry for being so critical, but then someone has to.
If the idea of monetary only threads is to affirm the show of support, than am i a traitor to the greater good of retrogressed non-immigrants? This is not the right way to go.

Donors here on this very thread have already started talking about people spilling over to sites like and also if members might float other immigration websites.

why are we doing this? Why are we creating differences?
What is the Donor only thread? is it a commodity, that took 'x' man hours to produce, that you are charging money for it?

It is information. period. and as every hour passes, more organisations are providing or striving to provide information free of cost.

Also, what are we discussing in these threads, that we have to be paid members to view it?

Have you even thought about this legally?
Usually, a non-for-proft org has a fund raiser or a money raiser drive or event.
How are you even justifying asking for money to view threads, which is nothing but information that you do not own and have not worked to get it.

Believe me, this is walking on a very thin line.

[qasleuth]

I consider FOIA is a multifold success. Not only we achieved milestone 1 of $5K, we were successful enough to wake up members to do something after long time. Why do you think the very same members were sleeping? I don't believe IV Core was not doing anything in last few months but members always felt that there is no plan of action from IV. There is nothing worst could happen to us just by disclosing our plan of actions in controlled way like:

1. <<ABC>> is preparing document for final data information.
2. <<XYZ>> is evaluating other options how we could retrieve this information.
3. <<DEF>> is understanding how FOIA works and how long it will take us to get data and what will be the best option to get it earlier.
4. <<MMM>> is working on funding drive for this.

There is no reason to hide even this kind of information. But if we do this, members understand what we are doing at high level.

My 2 cents.

I totally agree. It is not a question of being transparent Vs secretive, it just gives us all a sense of purpose and direction.

Also, information like how much IV is spending on lobbying on a monthly basis ? As this information is publicly available (in fact Sanju could find it by searching for under 10 mins and can be googled),why can't it be displayed on the website ?

[sanju]

Oh I can find that information again-

Goto - http://soprweb.senate.gov/index.cfm?event=selectfields

- check box for client name
- click 'submit' button
- enter 'Immigration Voice' in the client name
- click 'submit' button

Now you see the amount spent by IV for lobbying in the Senate documents. Its around 1/2 million dollars.

[ItIsNotFunny]

I already did. I just dont like this DONOR based thread idea. for reasons already stated.

Why reddog is not marked as "Donor" yet?

[GCAmigo]

As much as I appreciate the efforts that the IV core team has put in, them being so secretive, it is almost like they have formed a cabal.


I feel 'cabal' is too strong a word.. secrecy may be but I don't see any conspiracy here..

~GCA

[h1techSlave]

Is the min contribution required, $25 per month or $25 for 12 months?

Pappu,

I have a suggestion! I don't think forcing monthly $25 contribution to keep donor status alive is a very good idea, especially in current economy. Take an example of myself. It is decided that I am going to loose job on 17th March, may not be able to contribute every month.

Rethink!

[pappu]

min contribution required is $25 per month

[natrajs]

IV has started a donor Forum for contributing members.

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=109

Our monthly subscription based model will help members get access to this area for that time period. In the coming days we will be consolidating all previous subscribers who are continuing their subscription at present to be added as well. If you are an old continuing subscriber, and do not have access, do send an email to info at immigrationvoice.org with your name, email, amount subscribed every month and your IV ID. We will verify it and add you. If you have given a one time payment this month more than $25, we will be dividing it by $25 and the system will calculate the number of months you are subscribed. If you have the old $20/month subscription, please continue that. We will add you in the Monthly subscribers as well.

If you wish to subscribe, please click on the donate now link, adjacent to the green progress bar above and subscribe.

From now we will post IV updates on the donor forum so that members who contribute get the privilege of getting the information. If the information can be released for public, we will release it on the main forums after a delay. Donor forum will have the first access to the information. All donors will be identified by a 'donor' status in their profiles instead of junior/senior members.

If members want to start a thread in the donor forum, please add 'Donor Forum' before the the thread title so that everyone knows it is in the restricted area.

Admins will visit this area more often and answer questions from members. This will also enable more close coordination and communication between committed members. It is sometimes difficult for us to to read every post on the forum or post certain information for public consumption.

Thank you for your continued support

I did many one time contributions before , Today I started my monthly contibution ( Paypal - Subscription Number: S-3GB61005N70576746)

Better Late than never.

Thanks

Natraj

[swamy]

i've been contributing for abt a year now so shldn't i be a senior donor?jk - im guessing its bcos of email-id confusion that im a mere sr member -when we started the michigan forum our leader suggested i get an yahoo id for the groups & then he himself subscribed with a gmail making me look stupid - anyway...not in michigan anymore so its ok

[chaukas]

BTW , I have been a monthly contributor for years and also contributed to other special occasions :) . Still patiently waiting for access to the donor forum.

[snathan]

BTW , I have been a monthly contributor for years and also contributed to other special occasions :) . Still patiently waiting for access to the donor forum.

Send mail to Admin....

[Marphad]

min contribution required is $25 per month

I support donations but not mandatory donations. Its not a good idea.

More, I want to understand little more about this. Is it $25 only per month minimum subscription to visit donor only forums for every one?

[mhathi]

I have been a monthly contributor ($50/month) since December 2007. Already sent mail about a week ago to info at immigratin voice dot org.

Waiting for access... Glad to help in any way I can. I like the idea of having a donor forum. I have seen too many of our posts wind up on the pages of anti-legal immigrant groups over the years.

[chi_shark]

hey, how about doing something a la steve jobs. each post should cost $0.99. ??? what say?

[thomachan72]

min contribution required is $25 per month

Hi Pappu,
I just joined the 12 mth subscription of $25. Please enroll me into the donor forum. Thanks

[Suva]

Hi pappu, I am contributing $5/month from 2007. This is $60 for every year. Am I eligible for donar forum? I am sending the checks from 2007 till now by bill pay from my bank.

[wantgc23]

Hi pappu/admin,

I just signed up for $25 per month contributions, Can you please allow me Donor access when you get a chance.

Thanks!

wantgc23