Suggestions for IV Core

[VA2008]

With all the anti-immigration sentiment going on right now and the focus being on fixing the economy, I am not sure how much we can do to lobby for passing new immigration bills etc. However, there could be something that we can do to alleviate the pain for most of us waiting for green cards.

Here is what I propose that IV core focus on fighting for.

1. Issue Advanced Parole document for 2 years; remove restrictions (humanitarian /significant public benefit clause) to facilitate unrestricted travel
2. Issue EAD cards with validity up to 5 years
3. If I-140 is approved and AOS is pending for more than six months, allow for unrestricted (remove similar/same clause in AC 21) job change.
4. Last, but not the least, if a case is pre-adjudicated (if indeed there is a status like that), let the applicant be self-employed. Meaning, there is no need to be working for your petitioned employer.

My proposals may not be perfect and need some alteration, but the intent is to bring us all as close as possible to the benefits of having a green card while waiting for one eternally.

[Marphad]

With all the anti-immigration sentiment going on right now and the focus being on fixing the economy, I am not sure how much we can do to lobby for passing new immigration bills etc. However, there could be something that we can do to alleviate the pain for most of us waiting for green cards.

Here is what I propose that IV core focus on fighting for.

1. Issue Advanced Parole document for 2 years; remove restrictions (humanitarian /significant public benefit clause) to facilitate unrestricted travel
2. Issue EAD cards with validity up to 5 years
3. If I-140 is approved and AOS is pending for more than six months, allow for unrestricted (remove similar/same clause in AC 21) job change.
4. Last, but not the least, if a case is pre-adjudicated (if indeed there is a status like that), let the applicant be self-employed. Meaning, there is no need to be working for your petitioned employer.

My proposals may not be perfect and need some alteration, but the intent is to bring us all as close as possible to the benefits of having a green card while waiting for one eternally.

I second you. I don't think lobbying for removing retrogression is going to help in this situation.

[bikram_das_in]

IMHO...Scope of this proposal is very narrow and only addresses people who have got EADs due to 2007 fiasco.

[Marphad]

IMHO...Scope of this proposal is very narrow and only addresses people who have got EADs due to 2007 fiasco.

One thing at a time :)

[vbkris77]

If you add the below point your support base increases

1. Allow AOS to be filed after I140 is approved,

[nousername]

I would love to see something like this happen and some of these points (1 and 2) are doable (i.e. if gov. agrees). Points 3 and 4 actually conflict with the underlining immigration category i.e. Employment Based. When a company applies for a GC they basically are saying, "Hey Uncle Sam, I need a person with certain skill set which the citizens or GC holders don't have, so please give this person a new GC".

Now if gov. lets us move freely (which sounds great) or start our own business (which I plan to do) then it voids their original purpose / request.. Hence it won't happen..

With all the anti-immigration sentiment going on right now and the focus being on fixing the economy, I am not sure how much we can do to lobby for passing new immigration bills etc. However, there could be something that we can do to alleviate the pain for most of us waiting for green cards.

Here is what I propose that IV core focus on fighting for.

1. Issue Advanced Parole document for 2 years; remove restrictions (humanitarian /significant public benefit clause) to facilitate unrestricted travel
2. Issue EAD cards with validity up to 5 years
3. If I-140 is approved and AOS is pending for more than six months, allow for unrestricted (remove similar/same clause in AC 21) job change.
4. Last, but not the least, if a case is pre-adjudicated (if indeed there is a status like that), let the applicant be self-employed. Meaning, there is no need to be working for your petitioned employer.

My proposals may not be perfect and need some alteration, but the intent is to bring us all as close as possible to the benefits of having a green card while waiting for one eternally.

[Winner]

With all the anti-immigration sentiment going on right now and the focus being on fixing the economy, I am not sure how much we can do to lobby for passing new immigration bills etc. However, there could be something that we can do to alleviate the pain for most of us waiting for green cards.

Here is what I propose that IV core focus on fighting for.

1. Issue Advanced Parole document for 2 years; remove restrictions (humanitarian /significant public benefit clause) to facilitate unrestricted travel
2. Issue EAD cards with validity up to 5 years
3. If I-140 is approved and AOS is pending for more than six months, allow for unrestricted (remove similar/same clause in AC 21) job change.
4. Last, but not the least, if a case is pre-adjudicated (if indeed there is a status like that), let the applicant be self-employed. Meaning, there is no need to be working for your petitioned employer.

My proposals may not be perfect and need some alteration, but the intent is to bring us all as close as possible to the benefits of having a green card while waiting for one eternally.

VA2008,

Great suggestions!
Can you also kindly detail out how you are going to participate if IV core decides to work on some of the ideas you have presented?

[sanju]

Excellent suggestion! BTW, can IV core make sure that everyone posting to this thread is mailed their approved GC with their next utility bill. Think about it. Wouldn't it save USCIS postage if they send green card with the utility bill. Why can't you talk to Obama for this change, it will help keep a lower budget and save the economy. You see, EB immigrants want to save the world by saving the economy. Why can't Obama see this? oh, before I forget, can I get some freedom fries with my GC?

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[sanju]

If you add the below point your support base increases

1. Allow AOS to be filed after I140 is approved,


I am not sure about this one. Can we conduct a vote on this one, like the one on the Senate floor. I want to find out if this will pass the cloture vote on the forum.

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[qasleuth]

I am not sure about this one. Can we conduct a vote on this one, like the one on the Senate floor. I want to find out if this will pass the cloture vote on the forum.

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Sanju,
Once you get your GC with your next utility bill, I urge you to give Lewis Black a run for his money. You have the exact style to run him out of business (as his routine is getting old, we need a new face).

Lewis Black - Serious, sarcastic, angry and displays characteristics of having an aneurysm on stage :)

[Marphad]

Sanju,
Once you get your GC with your next utility bill, I urge you to give Lewis Black a run for his money. You have the exact style to run him out of business (as his routine is getting old, we need a new face). Serious, sarcastic, angry and displays characteristics of having an aneurysm on stage :)

Ignore him! He didn't have coffee and blasting on everyone in every forum for no reasons.

[qasleuth]

I was totally joking, Sanju is ok. Take it easy now Sanju.

Ignore him! He didn't have coffee and blasting on everyone in every forum for no reasons.

[sanju]

I was totally joking, Sanju is ok. Take it easy now Sanju.

Ok, I will. The problem is, people here have no touch with the reality of what's going on out there. Some folks talk here as if they we have to pay more taxes if they use use common sense.

If I don't try to stop this thread here, in 2 days it will end in Eb2 v/s Eb3 fight, some name calling, and the next day everyone will still be here talking something else.

Sorry guys I had to do. This is not the Senate floor and none of us is a Senator, yet :cool:


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[Marphad]

I was totally joking, Sanju is ok. Take it easy now Sanju.

:).

May be the original ideas are not acceptable by all. But need something else other than "Give us GC" at this point. I also don't agree something like FOIA is going to help.

[VA2008]

I would love to see something like this happen and some of these points (1 and 2) are doable (i.e. if gov. agrees). Points 3 and 4 actually conflict with the underlining immigration category i.e. Employment Based. When a company applies for a GC they basically are saying, "Hey Uncle Sam, I need a person with certain skill set which the citizens or GC holders don't have, so please give this person a new GC".

Now if gov. lets us move freely (which sounds great) or start our own business (which I plan to do) then it voids their original purpose / request.. Hence it won't happen..
I see your point regarding #3. It may be altered to defend your argument as "If I-140 is approved and AOS is pending for more than six months and the applicant has worked for at least 6 months with the petitioning employer, allow for unrestricted (remove similar/same clause in AC 21) job change" The 6 months number is based on the common notion that citizenship interviewer expects the applicant to have actually worked for the employer for at least six months.

Also, I agree with the proposal that if 140 is approved, to let the applicant apply for AOS. Really, adjustment of status is simply seeking a change in status. Given the delay in visa number availability, this seems completely justified. Bottom-line is we need to fight for our cause without actually declaring a war...I am not sure how much support we can gather (outside of the immigrant community) to seek changes in law given the dire state of things.

[Marphad]

Ok, I will. The problem is, people here have no touch with the reality of what's going on out there. Some folks talk here as if they we have to pay more taxes if they use use common sense.

If I don't try to stop this thread here, in 2 days it will end in Eb2 v/s Eb3 fight, some name calling, and the next day everyone will still be here talking something else.

Sorry guys I had to do. This is not the Senate floor and none of us is a Senator, yet :cool:


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I completely understand your point but then why are you using language that could initiate a fight?

[sanju]

:).

May be the original ideas are not acceptable by all. But need something else other than "Give us GC" at this point. I also don't agree something like FOIA is going to help.

Oh ya, FOIA will help. It will help us to find out until when we will NOT get the GC. So it sure will help. This is very important information, just as it is important to find out until when the economy will NOT collapse.


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[sanju]

I completely understand your point but then why are you using language that could initiate a fight?

oh come on! I just asked for a provision to send approved GCs with the next utility bill and a cloture vote on the forum for I-140 provision, that's all. I did not use any language to initiate a fight. I am just sharing my suggestions on the thread that is titled - Suggestions for IV Core.

Is there anything wrong with asking them to send approved GCs with the next utility bill?


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[vbkris77]

Try a cloture without this.. :p


I am not sure about this one. Can we conduct a vote on this one, like the one on the Senate floor. I want to find out if this will pass the cloture vote on the forum.

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[zen]

I completely understand your point but then why are you using language that could initiate a fight?
the problem with sanju is that whenever someone comes up with an idea ...he starts to jump as if his pants are on fire ...
if he is smart then instead of attacking all ideas he needs to come up with new ideas ... can you do it Sanju ?

[VA2008]

Sanju, obviously your frustrated soul is making irrelevant comments... How is this going to cause a rift between EB2 and EB3? Can you explain? The suggestions apply to most candidates waiting for Green Cards.

[Marphad]

oh come on! I just asked for a provision to send approved GCs with the next utility bill and a cloture vote on the forum for I-140 provision, that's all. I did not use any language to initiate a fight. I am just sharing my suggestions on the thread that is titled - Suggestions for IV Core.

Is there anything wrong with asking them to send approved GCs with the next utility bill?


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I respected your posts before. Looks like you are becoming rheotic recently.

Just relax and chill pill. You gotta learn to respect others. Its OK if you don't agree with the guy's suggestions. Just say that. It is not civilized way to make mockery of everything if you are not agreed with others.

[GCKaMaara]

Excellent suggestion! BTW, can IV core make sure that everyone posting to this thread is mailed their approved GC with their next utility bill. Think about it. Wouldn't it save USCIS postage if they send green card with the utility bill. Why can't you talk to Obama for this change, it will help keep a lower budget and save the economy. You see, EB immigrants want to save the world by saving the economy. Why can't Obama see this? oh, before I forget, can I get some freedom fries with my GC?

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Do you know how to remain silent?

[sanju]

Sanju, obviously your frustrated soul is making irrelevant comments... How is this going to cause a rift between EB2 and EB3? Can you explain? The suggestions apply to most candidates waiting for Green Cards.

I also don't understand how it does always end up causing rift between Eb2 v/s Eb3. But somehow it always does. You should ask this question to the folks who argue about it. Just trust me that it sure will end up in Eb2 v/s Eb3. I have stayed on these forums long enough to see how most people here think and react. You can dig previous threads and see for yourself. Live and learn my friend. I am just a messenger here trying to avert the fight before it occurs. Humans are short vision inferior species, and we don't see value in suffering that we did not go through. We have to suffer and only after an experience of sense of lose, do we want to learn and improve. And if someone will tell you ahead of time, not to go there, humans tend to ridicule, yes, that's who we are, folks who have to kill our food before we eat, folks who have to fight & draw blood before we learn.



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[VA2008]

Sanju,
Thanks, you are heard…now let’s move on.

For the benefit of folks who are just jumping into this thread here is what I suggested. Altered #3 as someone raised a good point regarding the intent to work for petitioning employer

"With all the anti-immigration sentiment going on right now and the focus being on fixing the economy, I am not sure how much we can do to lobby for passing new immigration bills etc. However, there could be something that we can do to alleviate the pain for most of us waiting for green cards.

Here is what I propose that IV core focus on fighting for.

1. Issue Advanced Parole document for 2 years; remove restrictions (humanitarian /significant public benefit clause) to facilitate unrestricted travel
2. Issue EAD cards with validity up to 5 years
3. If I-140 is approved and AOS is pending for more than six months and applicant has worked for at least six months with petitioning employer, allow for unrestricted (remove similar/same clause in AC 21) job change.
4. Last, but not the least, if a case is pre-adjudicated (if indeed there is a status like that), let the applicant be self-employed. Meaning, there is no need to be working for your petitioned employer.

My proposals may not be perfect and need some alteration, but the intent is to bring us all as close as possible to the benefits of having a green card while waiting for one eternally."

[gc_on_demand]

If you add the below point your support base increases

1. Allow AOS to be filed after I140 is approved,..

Did you miss this one in final list or u think you dont need it now ?

[gc_on_demand]

Sanju,
Thanks, you are heard…now let’s move on.

For the benefit of folks who are just jumping into this thread here is what I suggested. Altered #3 as someone raised a good point regarding the intent to work for petitioning employer

"With all the anti-immigration sentiment going on right now and the focus being on fixing the economy, I am not sure how much we can do to lobby for passing new immigration bills etc. However, there could be something that we can do to alleviate the pain for most of us waiting for green cards.

Here is what I propose that IV core focus on fighting for.

1. Issue Advanced Parole document for 2 years; remove restrictions (humanitarian /significant public benefit clause) to facilitate unrestricted travel
2. Issue EAD cards with validity up to 5 years
3. If I-140 is approved and AOS is pending for more than six months and applicant has worked for at least six months with petitioning employer, allow for unrestricted (remove similar/same clause in AC 21) job change.
4. Last, but not the least, if a case is pre-adjudicated (if indeed there is a status like that), let the applicant be self-employed. Meaning, there is no need to be working for your petitioned employer.

My proposals may not be perfect and need some alteration, but the intent is to bring us all as close as possible to the benefits of having a green card while waiting for one eternally."


Do you know if 3 and 4 donnot need any congressional action ? IV had done for EAD so any one can guess 1 and 2 is doable by admin fix. Even 2 should be ok as they are giving 2 years EAD and your 1st point seems valid .. that AP should be valid for 2 years.

If 5th one ( if I 140 is approved allow to file 485 ) is not need any law change then it can bring more members to IV. More people in pain more they join IV or some other groups. atleast people from Mid 2007 to 2008 may have approved i 140 and can join the cause.

[VA2008]

Here is the updated version. I am not sure if congressional action is required for 3 & 4. I leave that to IV core/experienced members to decide.

"With all the anti-immigration sentiment going on right now and the focus being on fixing the economy, I am not sure how much we can do to lobby for passing new immigration bills etc. However, there could be something that we can do to alleviate the pain for most of us waiting for green cards.

Here is what I propose that IV core focus on fighting for.

1. Issue Advanced Parole document for 2 years; remove restrictions (humanitarian /significant public benefit clause) to facilitate unrestricted travel
2. Issue EAD cards with validity up to 5 years
3. If I-140 is approved and AOS is pending for more than six months and applicant has worked for at least six months with petitioning employer, allow for unrestricted (remove similar/same clause in AC 21) job change.
4. If a case is pre-adjudicated (if indeed there is a status like that), let the applicant be self-employed. Meaning, there is no need to be working for your petitioned employer.
5. Allow AOS to be filed after I140 is approved

My proposals may not be perfect and need some alteration, but the intent is to bring us all as close as possible to the benefits of having a green card while waiting for one eternally."

[vbkris77]

I am in and support this.. But what do we do to make it happen??

1. Meet with Administrative staff
2. Letters to Whitehouse
3. Letters to DHS/CIS/OMB
4. Just keep fingers crossed for someone to take lead




Here is the updated version. I am not sure if congressional action is required for 3 & 4. I leave that to IV core/experienced members to decide.

"With all the anti-immigration sentiment going on right now and the focus being on fixing the economy, I am not sure how much we can do to lobby for passing new immigration bills etc. However, there could be something that we can do to alleviate the pain for most of us waiting for green cards.

Here is what I propose that IV core focus on fighting for.

1. Issue Advanced Parole document for 2 years; remove restrictions (humanitarian /significant public benefit clause) to facilitate unrestricted travel
2. Issue EAD cards with validity up to 5 years
3. If I-140 is approved and AOS is pending for more than six months
and applicant has worked for at least six months with petitioning employer, allow for unrestricted (remove similar/same clause in AC 21) job change.
4. If a case is pre-adjudicated (if indeed there is a status like that), let the applicant be self-employed. Meaning, there is no need to be working for your petitioned employer.
5. Allow AOS to be filed after I140 is approved

My proposals may not be perfect and need some alteration, but the intent is to bring us all as close as possible to the benefits of having a green card while waiting for one eternally."

[sanju]

the problem with sanju is that whenever someone comes up with an idea ...he starts to jump as if his pants are on fire ...
if he is smart then instead of attacking all ideas he needs to come up with new ideas ... can you do it Sanju ?

Dear Zen,

In zen there is a proverb that says "its the space between the bar that holds the tiger, and its the silence between the nodes that makes the music." Solution to every problem always doesn't have to be loud. I try to be a big picture guy. So you will not get solution from me that says something like - exempt everyone with minimum wage from numerical limits because I make minimum wage. I mean you will not get a solution from me that will be tailor made to fit my situation. And the reason I say that is because as soon as I put in that proposal, just because it is tailored made for me, the negative energy of my ego will be sufficient to destroy that idea. That's what you can see with this VA guy. And that's what you can see on this forum all day along where people fight over the some provision that will benefit the guy who proposed it and then folks sit back in disbelief as to why that other guys cannot understand & agree.

I will not fall in this trap of giving out tailor made ideas. I think this community of educated illiterates is not ready to "create" a change. We have not suffered enough to throw away our differences and that's why we are always divided among ourselves, and we have to throw out these absurd ideas subscribing to the philosophy "let me protect my own interest because no one is watching for me". I think the guys who run the show here have good intentions but they don't know that this community is not ready for their kind of change. I come to these forums for the guys who have good intentions, not for the folks who selfishly throw out tailor made absurd ideas. The other day someone was pushing for a provision that will remove country limits just until his application is approved. And I find it intellectually offensive. Because he was saying that if his application will get approved, it will remove 1 waiting applicant in the line. I find that argument similar to the classical economics argument that says - give tax breaks and money to the top 1% rich people and somehow the wealth will trical down to others.

Every solution has its time. And when the time is ready, the solution will arrive and mature. We will all still have to work for it. Time has come and gone for some of the solution mentioned in this thread. The solution proposed by that VA guy are not his original ideas either. They have been discussed earlier many a times. Now we just have to wait for a suitable time to arrive for these solutions, again. I am sure this VA guy wants to fix it, but just wanting to fix the system and talking over anonymous forum so that someone else will work on his ideas doesn't make it to happen. Is this VA guy willing to work on his ideas, give his money and time to make it happen? If not, I find these threads waste of time and bandwidth. I would rather use this bandwidth on the internet to watch online movies at work rather than reading some silly idea that everyone loves to talk, but no one has time to work on. If there was a way for me to collect a cent for every such idea on immigration forums, Warren Buffet would be my butler.

So to sum up, if you want my idea, then here is it. Listen to the guys who know more than us and let them decide what is possible and what is not possible, now and in the future. Listening to the guys who knows it better than we do is a smart thing to do. And these "new idea" threads carry no meaning. This is my idea.

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[Green.Tech]

Dear Zen,

So to sum up, if you want my idea, then here is it. Listen to the guys who know more than us and let them decide what is possible and what is not possible, now and in the future. Listening to the guys who knows it better than we do is a smart thing to so. And these "new idea" threads carry no meaning. This is my idea.

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Ditto! Good post, Sanju.

We need to learn to bury our differences and move forward as a team. This does not mean that we can't come up with our ideas. It just means that come up with an idea and check with the Core, and see if it is something feasible because as far as I can tell, barring a few folks on this forum, Core is most in touch with what goes on at the Capitol. But first of all, we need to cut the EB-2/EB-3 fight among ourselves and stand united as one community!

[ganguteli]

Dear Zen,

In zen there is a proverb that says "its the space between the bar that holds the tiger, and its the silence between the nodes that makes the music." Solution to every problem always doesn't have to be loud. I try to be a big picture guy. So you will not get solution from me that says something like - exempt everyone with minimum wage from numerical limits because I make minimum wage. I mean you will not get a solution from me that will be tailor made to fit my situation. And the reason I say that is because as soon as I put in that proposal, just because it is tailored made for me, the negative energy of my ego will be sufficient to destroy that idea. That's what you can see with this VA guy. And that's what you can see on this forum all day along where people fight over the some provision that will benefit the guy who proposed it and then folks sit back in disbelief as to why that other guys cannot understand & agree.

I will not fall in this trap of giving out tailor made ideas. I think this community of educated illiterates is not ready to "create" a change. We have not suffered enough to throw away our differences and that's why we are always divided among ourselves, and we have to throw out these absurd ideas subscribing to the philosophy "let me protect my own interest because no one is watching for me". I think the guys who run the show here have good intentions but they don't know that this community is not ready for their kind of change. I come to these forums for the guys who have good intentions, not for the folks who selfishly throw out tailor made absurd ideas. The other day someone was pushing for a provision that will remove country limits just until his application is approved. And I find it intellectually offensive. Because he was saying that if his application will get approved, it will remove 1 waiting applicant in the line. I find that argument similar to the classical economics argument that says - give tax breaks and money to the top 1% rich people and somehow the wealth will trical down to others.

Every solution has its time. And when the time is ready, the solution will arrive and mature. We will all still have to work for it. Time has come and gone for some of the solution mentioned in this thread. The solution proposed by that VA guy are not his original ideas either. They have been discussed earlier many a times. Now we just have to wait for a suitable time to arrive for these solutions, again. I am sure this VA guy wants to fix it, but just wanting to fix the system and talking over anonymous forum so that someone else will work on his ideas doesn't make it to happen. Is this VA guy willing to work on his ideas, give his money and time to make it happen? If not, I find these threads waste of time and bandwidth. I would rather use this bandwidth on the internet to watch online movies at work rather than reading some silly idea that everyone loves to talk, but no one has time to work on. If there was a way for me to collect a cent for every such idea on immigration forums, Warren Buffet would be my butler.

So to sum up, if you want my idea, then here is it. Listen to the guys who know more than us and let them decide what is possible and what is not possible, now and in the future. Listening to the guys who knows it better than we do is a smart thing to do. And these "new idea" threads carry no meaning. This is my idea.

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Post of the day

[Caliber]

Guys,

Giving a suggestion sitting on your office chair, using office computer, office time etc etc is the most easiest thing one can do.

If you guys recall DC rally, we started one bus from NJ which has one of the highest number of H1B's. We ended up getting just 15 people in the whole bus. DC area has equal number of H1B's. How many particiapted?

FOIA thread took 15 days to get 10K from highly paid H1B's (Most of US Citizens get that pay for the whole family)

Lobbying requires lot of money, time, patience, taking leaves to go to DC etc.

How many of the guys that give FREE suggestions are ready to spend time, money and leaves? Except few dedicated persons in core who does thankless job and still get blamed, others are all just paper tigers that includes me.

Please think seriously before putting a suggestion. And when you put a suggstion, also volunteer for that proposal.

Thanks for reading and sorry if I hurt any one.

[ganguteli]

Guys,

Giving a suggestion sitting on your office chair, using office computer, office time etc etc is the most easiest thing one can do.

If you guys recall DC rally, we started one bus from NJ which has one of the highest number of H1B's. We ended up getting just 15 people in the whole bus. DC area has equal number of H1B's. How many particiapted?

FOIA thread took 15 days to get 10K from highly paid H1B's (Most of US Citizens get that pay for the whole family)

Lobbying requires lot of money, time, patience, taking leaves to go to DC etc.

How many of the guys that give FREE suggestions are ready to spend time, money and leaves? Except few dedicated persons in core who does thankless job and still get blamed, others are all just paper tigers that includes me.

Please think seriously before putting a suggestion. And when you put a suggstion, also volunteer for that proposal.

Thanks for reading and sorry if I hurt any one.

You have stated the bitter truth.