Sri Lankan tamils issues

[bajrangbali]

Guys..as many of you have heard..Sri Lankan government has led an offensive against LTTE over the past few weeks and both sides have accused each other of killing civilians. And all countries have called for restraint on both sides and stop killing civilians.
UN confidential report which came to light shows the SL government bombing the safe-zone they allocated for civilians since the offensive began. For the first time, besides each side accusing each other of the civilian killings there is some proof regarding who has done what.
It is a shame India does not act to protect the interests of its citizens even after this news came up.
We may be busy with our own issues here..economy, immigration, family, job-stress...the least we can do is bringing to light what is happening to fellow Indians elsewhere in the world..
No politics can justify killing of innocent people...if congress and India can not get over themselves and help fellow Indians..the day we can claim to be atleast a regional power if very far away. Heck, even USA is trying harder than India by using its muscle to block billions of dollars of IMF funds to SL for not caring about ceasefire.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6206708.ece

[chantu]

Forget fellow Tamils in SL.....Our CON govt under weak Puppet PM MM Singh cannot protect his fellow citizens. See the link from the US state dept.

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2008/122434.htm

"In 2008, India ranked among the world’s most terrorism-afflicted countries."

And we still find a large number of educated Indians still vote for this WEAK PM.

[kittu1991]

It is a shame India does not act to protect the interests of its citizens even after this news came up.


Why do you think it is Indian citizens? Just because some politicians are saying so for their own gains all Tamilians in Srilanka are not Indian citizen.

Heck, even USA is trying harder than India by using its muscle to block billions of dollars of IMF funds to SL for not caring about ceasefire.


Are you suggesting India should start playing the role of world police as USA.

LTTE is the one who took the life of our beloved leader Rajiv Gandhi who would have taken India to much high in the world. And why should India protect them.

[RandyK]

Dude,

DO NOT bring politics into this forum.

LTTE is a terrorist organization banned all over the world, first by India and US.

If you go read about the situation on the UN site you will find out that the civilians are held hostage by the LTTE and that is the main reason for the civilians to be in this situation.

If you want to see what LTTE is doing to their OWN people click on the link below and click on the link on the right hand side on top. You will see like 20 LTTE terrorists shooting at like 5000 tamils trying to escape from them. This was taken from a UAV of the SL Gov like a week ago.

http://www.defence.lk/hm/hm.asp

[sobyb]

When did Srilankan Tamilians become Indian citizens??? also India should make sure that terrorists organisation like LTTE is wiped out from the face of earth weather its in Srilanka, Afganistan or Pakistan... gone are the days when these thugs where called 'freedom fighters' .. they are a terrorist organisation and should be treated in that manner.

[kittu1991]

When did Srilankan Tamilians become Indian citizens??? also India should make sure that terrorists organisation like LTTE is wiped out from the face of earth weather its in Srilanka, Afganistan or Pakistan... gone are the days when these thugs where called 'freedom fighters' .. they are a terrorist organisation and should be treated in that manner.

Exactly...

[Keeme]

When did Srilankan Tamilians become Indian citizens??? also India should make sure that terrorists organisation like LTTE is wiped out from the face of earth weather its in Srilanka, Afganistan or Pakistan... gone are the days when these thugs where called 'freedom fighters' .. they are a terrorist organisation and should be treated in that manner.

Its in today TOI that Congress/UPA govt. has raised a concern to their PAK counterparts about safely of some 35 Sikh families living in a small village which falls in Taliban's territory.

Why not a single statement by UPA Govt. / MPS/ any high ranking diplomats for Srinlankan's Tamil ? Are they affraid of Congress leadership or what ?

I don't know for what cause LTTE is fighting for and see them as same other terrorist organization in name of freedom. Its LTTE and their leaders who should be punished and brought to justice for killing of Rajeev Gandhi, not the whole community.

Don't be too confident that you may never be in the situation like them. Who knows tomorrow ? History tells us that you would be never safe on foreign soil ! If its not you, it would be your next generation who might seek support from your home country

My post is to just show double standard played by UPA govt.

[sargon]

Please show solidarity with Pakistani Sikhs too.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Pakistan/Taliban-seize-Sikh-houses-shops-in-Fata/articleshow/4469796.cms

The least India can do is to is to offer asylum to all Pakistani Sikhs. Our govt has not shown any inclination for that so far.

[Keeme]

Please show solidarity with Pakistani Sikhs too.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Pakistan/Taliban-seize-Sikh-houses-shops-in-Fata/articleshow/4469796.cms

The least India can do is to is to offer asylum to all Pakistani Sikhs. Our govt has not shown any inclination for that so far.

We must ! Have no doubt about it !

[sobyb]

Hi Keeme,

My post was not about double standards BUT about opposing terrorism, it doesn't matter if its LTTE, KHALISTAN, TALIBAN or any other organisation which terrorises the society. These terrorists outfits should be handled beyond any religious, linguistic or any other consideration.
Regarding support for common man/community, we should oppose any human rights violation against any individual/community, there shouldn't be any double standards BUT at the same time action against terrorist outfits should not be compromised.

[mr_aryan]

I'm not sure if you r a tamilian or not, but u defenitely sound like India's neighbour Pakistan who claim that their fellow muslims are killed in kashmir by indian solidiers and who also cliam that muslims have been opressed and want a seperate statehood just like the LTTE.
Lemme remind guyz like u, that LTTE has been responsible of killing Indian Prime minister along with many inncocent civilians & presidents, many prominent leaders, innocent civilians in srilanka.They have been labled as a terrosit organization.
Srilankan Government has been facing LTTE atrocites for many decades & now that they decided enough is enough & doing what they think is right for their country.
But some Tamilians like you who are born citizens of India or any other coutry blaming Srilankan Govt, by sympathising with terrorist organisation like LTTE just like any other terrorsit organisation in the world.
Probably you would'nt have supported LTTE if any of your family member has been killed for being prsent around an attack by LTTE on some leader.
So just think wisely before you post somethin though this is not the frum for such posts, just because u r a tamilian & some tamilians r killed in a war between LTTE & SL govt.

[snathan]

When did Srilankan Tamilians become Indian citizens??? also India should make sure that terrorists organisation like LTTE is wiped out from the face of earth weather its in Srilanka, Afganistan or Pakistan... gone are the days when these thugs where called 'freedom fighters' .. they are a terrorist organisation and should be treated in that manner.

Tomorrow if we or our generations are getting killed in the US, would you say the same thing. Now do you understand why the country needs to care about its people no matter where they are.

[chantu]

Guys do not get deceive by CON/UPA govt raising voice for Sikhs in Pak. They raised it because the next phase of elections will be held in Punjab, Himachal, Delhi and Haryana where there are significant Sikh population. CON/UPA govt does not care about Sikhs. They want to cover up for the mess they created because of Tytler issue.

Also, why did CON/UPA govt did not raise voice when homes and temples of Hindus in Kazakhstan were destroyed.

[Keeme]

Hi Keeme,

My post was not about double standards BUT about opposing terrorism, it doesn't matter if its LTTE, KHALISTAN, TALIBAN or any other organisation which terrorises the society. These terrorists outfits should be handled beyond any religious, linguistic or any other consideration.
Regarding support for common man/community, we should oppose any human rights violation against any individual/community, there shouldn't be any double standards BUT at the same time action against terrorist outfits should not be compromised.

Correct ! Stand against injustice ! Let's discuss it out. Do you see LT ( karshimir) same as you see LTTE ? Do you feel anything for Kashimiri Pandits ?

[Jerrome]

What do you mean by some tamilians killed, almost 10 thousand people killed in 2 months.

Personally i don't believe 2000 terrorists could hold hostages of 3 or 4 lakh people for 2 years.

Do you know or read reports that daily 5000 bombs are dropped on civilian areas to make them to run towards the army.Do you know that the army poisoned the drinking water and people ran towards army without food or water and now they are in Nazi like camps.

It is not released by the LTTE but released by the UN.

No Second opinion about killing terrosists, but killing innocent people is not acceptable at any cost.

[gcisadawg]

Don't be too confident that you may never be in the situation like them. Who knows tomorrow ? History tells us that you would be never safe on foreign soil ! If its not you, it would be your next generation who might seek support from your home country


Well said! Being an Indian-Tamilian, it pains to see the whole SL Tamil community caught between the devil (LTTE) and deep sea (SL govt). The SL gov't has used this war cleverly to nurture the hatred between SL Tamil minority and Sinhala majority deep, very deep almost to the point of no return.

Thomas Jefferson, once said, "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. "
I really believe Jefferson's worst fear is playing out in Sri Lanka.

Discalimer: I dont support LTTE. Also, I was pained and frustated equally when terrorists killed innocent Indian civilians. So, pls. don't jump on me on that account!

[hpandey]

Its in today TOI that Congress/UPA govt. has raised a concern to their PAK counterparts about safely of some 35 Sikh families living in a small village which falls in Taliban's territory.

Why not a single statement by UPA Govt. / MPS/ any high ranking diplomats for Srinlankan's Tamil ? Are they affraid of Congress leadership or what ?

I don't know for what cause LTTE is fighting for and see them as same other terrorist organization in name of freedom. Its LTTE and their leaders who should be punished and brought to justice for killing of Rajeev Gandhi, not the whole community.

Don't be too confident that you may never be in the situation like them. Who knows tomorrow ? History tells us that you would be never safe on foreign soil ! If its not you, it would be your next generation who might seek support from your home country

My post is to just show double standard played by UPA govt.

The Pak Sikhs are being troubled by the Taliban whom everyone opposes and the Pak govt is doing nothing and hence India should raise a voice.

The Tamils in SriLanka are not being opressed by SriLanka but by LTTE themselves ( using their own people as human shields ) . The Srilankan govt is trying its best to minimise losses while trying to rout the terrorist LTTE. India does not have any sympathy either for the Taliban or for LTTE. Both are enemies of India.

Personally I hate the LTTE and their damn cause. Someone who would kill our PM does not deserve any sympathy.

I cheer the brave SriLankan Army who will finally clear their country of this terrorist manace. I wish India had the same drive to remove terrorists from our country in J&K and elsewhere .

[snathan]

The Pak Sikhs are being troubled by the Taliban whom everyone opposes and the Pak govt is doing nothing and hence India should raise a voice.

The Tamils in SriLanka are not being opressed by SriLanka but by LTTE themselves ( using their own people as human shields ) . The Srilankan govt is trying its best to minimise losses while trying to rout the terrorist LTTE. India does not have any sympathy either for the Taliban or for LTTE. Both are enemies of India.

Personally I hate the LTTE and their damn cause. Someone who would kill our PM does not deserve any sympathy.

I cheer the brave SriLankan Army who will finally clear their country of this terrorist manace. I wish India had the same drive to remove terrorists from our country in J&K and elsewhere .


Who told you this...do you know the history and are you sure the tamils are not opressed by the SL govt. Read the history before you make the comments.

By the way I am not supporting the LTTE. Here the question is should Indian govt support the civilions or not. Given a chance the SL govt wants to wipe out the entire tamil community. Do not think it will not happen to you/us here tomorrow.

[snathan]

Well said! Being an Indian-Tamilian, it pains to see the whole SL Tamil community caught between the devil (LTTE) and deep sea (SL govt). The SL gov't has used this war cleverly to nurture the hatred between SL Tamil minority and Sinhala majority deep, very deep almost to the point of no return.

Thomas Jefferson, once said, "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. "
I really believe Jefferson's worst fear is playing out in Sri Lanka.

Discalimer: I dont support LTTE. Also, I was pained and frustated equally when terrorists killed innocent Indian civilians. So, pls. don't jump on me on that account!

I second this..

[Michael chertoff]

[QUOTE=snathan;338267]Thomas Jefferson, once said, "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. "
I really believe Jefferson's worst fear is playing out in Sri Lanka.

QUOTE]

This quotation is only for Sri Lanka?? or it can be tru for india too???

MC

[hpandey]

Who told you this...do you know the history and are you sure the tamils are not opressed by the SL govt. Read the history before you make the comments.

By the way I am not supporting the LTTE. Here the question is should Indian govt support the civilions or not. Given a chance the SL govt wants to wipe out the entire tamil community. Do not think it will not happen to you/us here tomorrow.

And who told you that they are being opressed - have you been to Sri Lanka and if yes which places did you visit to see the Tamils being opressed .

The terrorists who come to fight in J&K from Pak say they are fighting because Indian Army and govt is opressing the Muslims . Is that true also ?

Seriously I don't care - my personal opinion that in this particular case it is none of our ( India's ) business to meddle in Sri Lankan affairs when they are on the verge of getting rid of a menace they have . Terrorism is not a solution of anything . Only peaceful times can bring happiness and prosperity.

[sobyb]

Tomorrow if we or our generations are getting killed in the US, would you say the same thing. Now do you understand why the country needs to care about its people no matter where they are.

"Tomorrow if we or our generations are getting killed in the US, would you say the same thing" ....

Of course yes! If our generations are US citizens, US govt should take care of them and if they are part of any terrorist organisation, they should be treated the way terrorists are treated.

"Country needs to care about its people" ... Its is in your quote ... Issue is about Srilankan's and their goverment should take care of it, NOT India. I don't think any one has a doubt about how LTTE should be handled.

[vivid_bharti]

Sri Lankan Tamils may not be Indian citizens but are etinic Indians and that is what their problem is and it is the problem in several other places like Malasiya, Fiji, Trinidad etc. these people are still called Indians in these countries and being discriminated. India being a powerful nation should protect the rights of ethnic Indians, but it doesn't....most or all of us know the reasons, it is being ruled by a lame duck govt. who cannot protect citizens living within the Indian boundries, so even if they try to interfere in other countries affairs, I'm sure even a smal coutry like Sri Lanka has guts to say Shoooo!!!! to our foreign Minister. India does not have any respect whatsoever in the world politics now, whatever was earned during the NDA govt. is all lost, nobody sees India with any respect any more, so atleast in my mind I know the answer why India is turning a blind eye towards the killing of Tamils in Sri Lanka & blatant Human Rights murder by a tiniest neighbor

[Keeme]

"Tomorrow if we or our generations are getting killed in the US, would you say the same thing" ....

Of course yes! If our generations are US citizens, US govt should take care of them and if they are part of any terrorist organisation, they should be treated the way terrorists are treated.

"Country needs to care about its people" ... Its is in your quote ... Issue is about Srilankan's and their goverment should take care of it, NOT India. I don't think any one has a doubt about how LTTE should be handled.

Agreed but some Govt. fails to do so. IF Govt. were acting resposibly , World wouldn't have seen the WW1 and WW2 and Bosnia-Serbia crisis and countless other masscare !

One should understand difference b/w ' Srilankan Tamils' and 'LTTE'.

[Ramba]

Seriously I don't care - my personal opinion that in this particular case it is none of our ( India's ) business to meddle in Sri Lankan affairs when they are on the verge of getting rid of a menace they have . Terrorism is not a solution of anything . Only peaceful times can bring happiness and prosperity.

Really? Then why did India meddle in Pakistan affairs and liberated East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) in 70s? People should post only after reading complete SL history and how minorities were suppressed. One point of time GOI supported and funded and trained LTTE. The problem for India as well as Sri Lankan Tamils is lack of strong/tough/clever leader like Indra Gandhi. The problem for SL tamils are the "ego" of Prabakaran. He himself wants to be a only leader and not yielding to anyone and not willing to compramise. The LTTE is necessary evil to solve this issue. Without them, one can not find a peace solution. Though, they did lot of mistakes and criminal activites, they needed in negotiation. All political parties in TN and GOI is playin drama in view of election. It is so pain to watch the situation of the innocent peoples trapped in this war. If India, would have stepped in long back, lot of innocent lives would have been saved.

[vivid_bharti]

Thread was opened in the support of Tamil Srilanakan civilians not LTTE, India should pressurise Sri Lanka to stop attrocities & killing of civilians, but again who will say it ??? Was there a FM ? a PM ? all puppets...
"Tomorrow if we or our generations are getting killed in the US, would you say the same thing" ....

Of course yes! If our generations are US citizens, US govt should take care of them and if they are part of any terrorist organisation, they should be treated the way terrorists are treated.

"Country needs to care about its people" ... Its is in your quote ... Issue is about Srilankan's and their goverment should take care of it, NOT India. I don't think any one has a doubt about how LTTE should be handled.

[GCkiTaisi]

I am an Indian Tamil and firmly believe that both LTTE and Lankan Army are at fault here. LTTE's tactics have always been to use human cover and the Lankans are guilty of using heavy artillery on civilians. In fact not all the civilians are innocent, some of them are LTTE proponents who prefer to stick with them till their last breath to further promote what is called as Lankan atrocities to the world.

I totally support the Tamil Ealam cause, but the method LTTE has taken would have never gotten them there at the first place. As a country, India should have been a bit more proactive and involved than just supplying arms to the Lankans (which was anyways done to prevent the Lankans from going to the Pakistan or China). So the Indians are just watching the tamasha -- and it is really unfortunate.

How does it bother the Tamilians of India? They are crossed between supporting for Tamil Ealam, death of innocent Tamilians and assassination of Rajiv Gandhi and this leads to mixed feelings. Ideally I would want to see Prabhakaran hanged and Srilankan Tamilians meeting their 3 decade old goals.

[rajsenthil]

And who told you that they are being opressed - have you been to Sri Lanka and if yes which places did you visit to see the Tamils being opressed .

The terrorists who come to fight in J&K from Pak say they are fighting because Indian Army and govt is opressing the Muslims . Is that true also ?

Seriously I don't care - my personal opinion that in this particular case it is none of our ( India's ) business to meddle in Sri Lankan affairs when they are on the verge of getting rid of a menace they have . Terrorism is not a solution of anything . Only peaceful times can bring happiness and prosperity.

I did not travel to SL but had one my classmate from SL. He is an SL Tamilian and joined me in my school. His parents were taken for interogation and they never returned. Father was killed during interogation and mother died in between the clash. He was bundled in the truck by his neighbor and shifter to India. I dont believe that SL Tamils are treated equally. I really hope that there would be an end to their sufferings. It is unfair to make an incorrect statement. Their own Army Chief Pon Sekara made a open statement that the SL Tamils has to live like a secondary citizens. When thousands of innocent people are dying and trying to justifying is equal to committing the murder.

The blunder LTTE did is assassinating Rajiv Gandhi. But again Indira Gandhi was assasinated. Even the SL PM Rajapakse assassinated the editor who has written a column about the civilians sufferings.

I accept that terrorism is not the solution. It is easy to tell that way from a safe place and hidden from the truth.

[vivid_bharti]

Your statement is uncalled for, his opinion is not from people of UP or Bihar, everwhere people have different opnions, and BTW Nitish Kumar & Mayawati are any day better than Karunanidhi, Vilas Rao Deshmukh & YSR and above all they are a million times better than Maino Antonia whom the whole country voted..... Pandey - I no longer wonder why Mulayam/Mayavati/ Lalu and Paswan rule in UP & Bihar.

[Keeme]

Your statement is uncalled for, his opinion is not from people of UP or Bihar, everwhere people have different opnions, and BTW Nitish Kumar & Mayawati are any day better than Karunanidhi, Vilas Rao Deshmukh & YSR and above all they are a million times better than Maino Antonia whom the whole country voted.....

I take it back !

[gcisadawg]

And who told you that they are being opressed - have you been to Sri Lanka and if yes which places did you visit to see the Tamils being opressed .

The terrorists who come to fight in J&K from Pak say they are fighting because Indian Army and govt is opressing the Muslims . Is that true also ?

Seriously I don't care - my personal opinion that in this particular case it is none of our ( India's ) business to meddle in Sri Lankan affairs when they are on the verge of getting rid of a menace they have . Terrorism is not a solution of anything . Only peaceful times can bring happiness and prosperity.

I think your fear is that if you accept the argument that SL Govt is oppressing the Tamil minority, then by default, you would be *forced* to accept the argument that Indian govt is oppressing Kashmiris. It is an apples vs oranges comparison. The situation that is happening in SL is nowhere near anything that had happened in India. I like to see LTTE wiped out completely. BUT the real question is, would that result in equal rights for SL tamil citizens? Let us wait and watch ( without actively intervening) while the people for whom this war is fought perish one by one. Rajapakhse has termed this war as liberating Tamils from the clutches of LTTE. Instead, it seems like, he is liberating people from their earthly life.

To be a fair judge, one should visit both Tamil leaning websites and defense.lk to get both sides of the story. It is suicidal to make a judgment from those flashy videos at defense.lk alone!

[sobyb]

"No politics can justify killing of innocent people...if congress and India can not get over themselves and help fellow Indians" ... "It is a shame India does not act to protect the interests of its citizens even after this news came up"

The person who opened this thread is not clear about the difference of 'Indian Citizen' and 'Indian Origin' (or Ethinic Indian). Any kind of discrimination faced by these people in their respective countries should be addressed in a non-violent manner and the current world order has its own mechanism to check such acts by majorities/minorities (atleast you get the relevant attention/care if you are not on the wrong side). Terrorism is not the solution to any discrimation ..period! and carrying out terror attacks on the supporting country (Rajiv Gandhi's killing) would only worsen the scenario.
India should work with Srilankan govt to establish democracy, peace and equality in Tamil majority areas and make sure that organizations like LTTE doesn't get the upper hand once again in those areas.

[illusions]

As a fellow Sri Lankan and a member here at IV, i'd request u guys stop posting opinions and views here on a Immigration Forum.

I'd like to request that the Admin to please close this thread as it is irrelevant to Immigration. If any of you would like to discuss politics then please do so in another forum that is meant purely for that purpose.

Some have written some harsh remarks about SL, without even knowing the facts, i for one take some of them personally.

I'm not here to say that i agree / disapprove anything that any of you have said, i'm just saying that there is a place to discuss these issues and i'm sure the Admins here also agree that this is not the place for politics.

Appreciate you consideration.

[bajrangbali]

It looks like my post which was meant to bring some awareness to the innocent civilians being killed in SL has lost its purpose. Here are some clarification which will respond to atleast some posts:

1) There is no support for LTTE, not by Indian govt, not by USA, UN or any other country and neither by me
2) Post is not to gather support for LTTE, post is to gather support for INNOCENT CIVILIANS being killed. Now both sides killed civilians, recent report by UN (third party which is neutral - if neutral or UN still carries any value) shows SL army bombing the civilian safe-zone which is an outrage.
3) SL tamils are not Indian citizens. If we get US citizenship do you think anyone in USA will treat you as american, you are Indian American. My reference to Indians in SL is the same, thought you guys are smart enough to understand that.
4) Our Indian government with all its might..should not keep quiet and let the ethnic cleansing happen..kill all the LTTE no one cares..but killing all tamilians or most of them to keep others quiet is outageous. Bringing out this atrocity is the point of my post.

And guys..I am not a tamilian..I am an Indian..if this happens to any other group in India I will stand up and shout with the same ferocity with which I posted this. Standing up for good cause and protecting human values anywhere in the world need not require us belonging to a particular community. Being human is enough!

Show some understanding to the suffering and above all...stay in peace

[LostInGCProcess]

Sri Lankan Tamils may not be Indian citizens but are etinic Indians and that is what their problem is and it is the problem in several other places like Malasiya, Fiji, Trinidad etc. these people are still called Indians in these countries and being discriminated. India being a powerful nation should protect the rights of ethnic Indians, but it doesn't....most or all of us know the reasons, it is being ruled by a lame duck govt. who cannot protect citizens living within the Indian boundries, so even if they try to interfere in other countries affairs, I'm sure even a smal coutry like Sri Lanka has guts to say Shoooo!!!! to our foreign Minister. India does not have any respect whatsoever in the world politics now, whatever was earned during the NDA govt. is all lost, nobody sees India with any respect any more, so atleast in my mind I know the answer why India is turning a blind eye towards the killing of Tamils in Sri Lanka & blatant Human Rights murder by a tiniest neighbor

I agree with you. It really amazes me that India is not even saying "something" being a so-called "super-power" in south Asia. Until the last generation of politicians are out of the indian political system, nothing is going to change when it comes to the image or pride of India. At least we should exert out strength and take a leadership role in South Asia and show our power.

[old_hat]

When people in Haiti or Fuji are concerned they were people of Indian origin who were forcibly taken by British folks as cheap labor. These guys went from India. Sri Lankan Tamils are most likely natives of Sri Lanka. Bangladesh and West Bengal share the same language but that does not make people from Bangladesh Indians. People of Punjab in both Pakistan and India speak the same language and it does not make people of Pakistan Indians. So in effect the civilians involved in Sri Lankan conflict are not Indians.

On the other hand, Indian government must help the trapped civilians (not the LTTE). LTTE is a terrorist organization and should not be helped. They have targeted Indian PM, Indian Tamils, fellow Sri Lankan Tamils and dissenters at different points of time and should not be helped. LTTE has used civilians as human shield and Sri Lankan army have not stepped back from hitting civilians. It is reasonable to pressurize Sri Lankan govt to help the trapped civilians.

[old_hat]

I agree with you. It really amazes me that India is not even saying "something" being a so-called "super-power" in south Asia. Until the last generation of politicians are out of the indian political system, nothing is going to change when it comes to the image or pride of India. At least we should exert out strength and take a leadership role in South Asia and show our power.

India has a history in Sri Lanka. It started long ago with IPKF. A lot of Indian lives were lost because IPKF had to fight the war with their hands tied. IPKF could have captured Pirbhakaran but they did not because Rajeev thought Tamils will not get their rights if they did so. Then Rajeev Gandhi got assassinated. A few years back LTTE had the upper hand and Sri Lankan govt wanted India to step in and help them. India did not sent the troops. now the battle has swung the other way. It is fairly complicated.

[hpandey]

[QUOTE=Originally Posted by Keeme
Pandey - I no longer wonder why Mulayam/Mayavati/ Lalu and Paswan rule in UP & Bihar.QUOTE]

Keemy this itself shows how intolerant you are . On one side you are trying to profess the cause of people from your community from a different country and on the other hand trying to denigrate people from another region from your own country .

Just because my handle is Pandey you assumed that I am from UP , Bihar and look and behave like the great Mulayam and Lalu and Paswan.

For your information I have never been to UP or Bihar in my life except once as a tourist nor my parents .

Your love for Srilankan Tamils seems to be a lot more than your love for your own countrymen.

Everyone else can decide what you are.

As for me I am an Indian - nothing else nothing more.

To Ms. Rambha - When India interfered in East Pakistan to create Bangladesh don't for a moment believe it was to save the Bangladeshis from suffering . Please read the full war history. In any case we are paying the price for that with more terrorists coming from Bangladesh.

We have paid the price for Srilanka also with IPKF soldiers getting killed in 1987 and then LTTE killing our beloved PM.

Peace.. I am out ..no more postings on this thread where people from my own country write words of hate for me out of their love for foreigners .

[Jerrome]

What do you know, if you don't know anything then shut the hell-up and don't reply.

I have been to srilanka and only tamils in colombo should have ID wherever they go. I was checked in multiple places because i was from TN.(this was back in 2000).

I have met hundreds of businessman from srilanka in TN who lost everything and doing daily work to live. They were not from south or north part of SL but from colombo..

Do you know how many tamils fled that country and living all over the world.

Even now there is no political solution provided by SL govt after they clear out the so called Terrorists.

It is India's business because india provided training and weapons to the so called terrorists during indra gandhi period. If we don't mind then china and pak will mind and they will be at India's balls and they can squeeze as hard as they can.

Please close this thread..it is not going anywhere..



And who told you that they are being opressed - have you been to Sri Lanka and if yes which places did you visit to see the Tamils being opressed .

The terrorists who come to fight in J&K from Pak say they are fighting because Indian Army and govt is opressing the Muslims . Is that true also ?

Seriously I don't care - my personal opinion that in this particular case it is none of our ( India's ) business to meddle in Sri Lankan affairs when they are on the verge of getting rid of a menace they have . Terrorism is not a solution of anything . Only peaceful times can bring happiness and prosperity.

[vivid_bharti]

You post tells me you still didn't understand the difference between LTTE and Srilankan Tamil civilians, probably you are still grief striken because of the loss of your "Beloved PM"..
[QUOTE=Originally Posted by Keeme
Pandey - I no longer wonder why Mulayam/Mayavati/ Lalu and Paswan rule in UP & Bihar.QUOTE]

Keemy this itself shows how intolerant you are . On one side you are trying to profess the cause of people from your community from a different country and on the other hand trying to denigrate people from another region from your own country .

Just because my handle is Pandey you assumed that I am from UP , Bihar and look and behave like the great Mulayam and Lalu and Paswan.

For your information I have never been to UP or Bihar in my life except once as a tourist nor my parents .

Your love for Srilankan Tamils seems to be a lot more than your love for your own countrymen.

Everyone else can decide what you are.

As for me I am an Indian - nothing else nothing more.

To Ms. Rambha - When India interfered in East Pakistan to create Bangladesh don't for a moment believe it was to save the Bangladeshis from suffering . Please read the full war history. In any case we are paying the price for that with more terrorists coming from Bangladesh.

We have paid the price for Srilanka also with IPKF soldiers getting killed in 1987 and then LTTE killing our beloved PM.

Peace.. I am out ..no more postings on this thread where people from my own country write words of hate for me out of their love for foreigners .

[snathan]

And who told you that they are being opressed - have you been to Sri Lanka and if yes which places did you visit to see the Tamils being opressed .

The terrorists who come to fight in J&K from Pak say they are fighting because Indian Army and govt is opressing the Muslims . Is that true also ?

Seriously I don't care - my personal opinion that in this particular case it is none of our ( India's ) business to meddle in Sri Lankan affairs when they are on the verge of getting rid of a menace they have . Terrorism is not a solution of anything . Only peaceful times can bring happiness and prosperity.

If you are so ignorant no one can help you. In SL everything started because of singala opression and chavinisim. But its not the case with J&K. The Pak govt wants J&K and thats how started here. One does not need to go the battle field to understand whats going on there.

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Desperate to escape the warzone in Sri Lanka, a group of 21 people set out from Mulaitivu on April 21. Among them was eight-month-old Kuberan who was feeding on his mother's milk when she died. His family was on a boat with 20 others.

Each one was hoping for safety and the chance of a better life in Rameshwaram, nine hours away. But they got lost and soon they ran out of food and water. One by one 10 people died of hunger and dehydration and their bodies were thrown into the sea.

Lost at sea they finally landed on the Kakinada cost of Andhra Pradesh, but only 11 reached alive.

Kuberan in Hindu mythology means the 'Lord of Wealth'. But this eight-month-old is anything but that. He is the face of the tragic conflict in north Sri Lanka, symbolic of a future and a paradise lost.

"When we were in Sri Lanka, my father died, then my younger sister died, and then my wife. We were trying to escape to save our lives," said S Jagadeeswaran, one of the refugees.

In the last three months, at least 50 boats with Tamil civilians have left Mullaiteevu for Rameshwaram. But no one knows how many of them survived.

"My daughter was in my arms, my lap and she died right there," said Niranjana, a refugee.

Thus, the Sri Lankan civilians who tried to escape the violence, were washed up on India's shores.

[GCkiTaisi]

My blood boils in digust when I read such stories..

[hiralal]

friends lets not fight and over estimate ourselves ..we cannot do anything to solve or highlight our own issues ..then how can we do anything about something happening far away !!!
that being said ..both sides are to be blamed ..SL and Tamil leaders in SL.
SL because they treated tamils as second class citizens even though they were born in SL ..and tamil leaders because they did not accept peace offers / try to give up violence ..
and don't compare this to kashmir ..Kashmiris (except the pandits) are not second class ..they have super / very high class status .
as for congress party (India) ..it is the biggest villian ..why did it send army to SL ..Rajiv Gandhi should have sent his relatives first

[snathan]

friends lets not fight and over estimate ourselves ..we cannot do anything to solve or highlight our own issues ..then how can we do anything about something happening far away !!!
that being said ..both sides are to be blamed ..SL and Tamil leaders in SL.
SL because they treated tamils as second class citizens even though they were born in SL ..and tamil leaders because they did not accept peace offers / try to give up violence ..
and don't compare this to kashmir ..Kashmiris (except the pandits) are not second class ..they have super / very high class status .
as for congress party (India) ..it is the biggest villian ..why did it send army to SL ..Rajiv Gandhi should have sent his relatives first

We are not fighting here for the LTTE or SL. We are not happy to see how our incumbant Indian govt is. This is the same fate we/our generation going to face in the future whatever may be the reason.

Somewhere in the world when one jew is getting killed how the ISREAL govt is reacting. They never mind to go after those guys. But we are unfortunate not to have such govt.

Well..I wont post anything in this thread anymore.

[sobyb]

But real world does not work like this. If you are not aware Gandhiji passed away/ assinated in 1948. this is 2009.

Thanks Dude! .. Gandhiji never died and ever will... the day you realize that there would be real solutions to ethinical/lingustic/religious descriminations/issues :)

[Vishal2007]

read Indian history, you know how Gandhiji is self-fish.

[sobyb]

I think judging Gandhiji in the context of Indian History is beyond my pay grade. I am sure about the fact that his ideology would remain relevant for much more time in human history.

[old_hat]

LTTE deserves no sympathy. Innocent civilians dying in war zone should get protection anywhere in the world. Its sad how so many people are viewing this with their political goggles on blaming one party or another. Any war zone is bad for civilians whether it is Sri Lanka or Kosovo or Darfur. Civilians need protection.

People who are solely attributing Sri Lankan conflict to Singhalese oppression are also distorting history. LTTE has many opportunities to get a peaceful resolution and it ditched it every time. They have been ruthless with Tamils who opposed them. They were merciless with Tamils who joined the mainstream and looked for a peaceful solution. LTTE became weak when Karuna joined mainstream and took away all his fighters.

And for those who are saying Gandhi is no longer relevant, are forgetting the flowers campaign with IV

[Vishal2007]

I think judging Gandhiji in the context of Indian History is beyond my pay grade. I am sure about the fact that his ideology would remain relevant for much more time in human history.


I like this (read as a good humor), his ideology would remain relevant for much more time in human history. you go by , Gandhi is father of our nation, I am thinking beyond that, he had power to influence British gov. to avoid death penalty for Bhagat Singh, he never used his power, because he was jealous of Bhagat

[dreamworld]

Guys Peace..

Every freedom fighter is a terrorist first. We can get this from history. Do you know who killed
mahatma? Why? We can make a different argument. But there are differences between freedom fighters. But the ultimate goal is getting real freedom to the civilians who are fellow souls suffering from all kinds of issues from majority rulers.

Not a single way to solve our immigration issue here in USA and not just ImmigrationVoice is fighting. It applies to any freedom struggle. There are many different freedom fighters fight for the same people for the same case.

Guys look at Srilanka Tamil as Native Tamils from Srilanka and look what was done to them in the last 50 years from the beginning of Srilanka independence from British. Know the history and then make your point.

There is a large humanitarian crisis for Srilanka Tamil in northern Srilanka after the Srilanka military invasion and world is ignoring it.

I know nothing can be brought by killing people but only by peace and democratic and diplomatic approach can bring peace. Peace and Pray for all fallen freedom fighters in the world. Peace and NO WAR.

[old_hat]

By the way which planet are you from...Do you have GC problem there also..?

did you believe in flowers campaign?

[hiralal]

well that is because Israel is a developed (or better ) than India in many ways. one Indian politician had once told Pakistan ..we don't fight when people are killed ..we fight when our land is in danger ..apparently because there is no shortage of people.
I have some sympathy for tamils in SL but not the LTTE ..one of my tamil friends had told me that tamils are treated as second class in SL ..that being said ..the demand of LTTE for a separate state or country (or greater Eelam) is totally unjustified ...
once such a thing happens in SL ..it will then happen in India
but I agree ..civilians should not be targetted ..(as said in the next post) ..if they are bombing hospitals then it is very bad. as for India's reaction .. THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN U ELECT WEAK PRIME MINISTERS

[rajsenthil]

There are few people here trying to mislead the biggest problem. When the Indians support SL Tamils, it is not just ethnic affinity, it is also based on our country's own interest. If India could not handle a country like SL, then what else we can do. I dont like the way India handling this situation, completely ignoring the deaths of thousands of innocent people. Even today, there was bombing on the hospital. It has become common now to bomb schools and hospitals and trying to justify that.

I still find it hard to equate a person death > tens of 1000's of innocent people death.
But still wanting for more deaths. India should step in and stop this genocide. It is shame on us to turn our face and watching it.

[newtoearth]

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[Kodi]

I'm surprised admins are letting this thread continue.

All those who think that the rest of the word should get involved, where were you when the LTTE bombed colombo in numerous occasions? Used suicide bombers to kill innocent civilians. The rest of the world watched and didn't get involved. You had 30 years to provide a solution to this war. Now is not the time to get involved. Sri lankan gov is finally taking matter into their hands and its high time. LTTE is a terrorist organization that's banned in the US/UK and all over the world. They should not be supported. Its sad that tamils are stuck in this situation, gov is doing eveything possible to get them out of the area but its their own so called leader that's refusing to let the people go.

For those that say tamils are discriminated.... think about this.

About 50% of tamils live in other parts of the country in harmony with sinhalese, muslim and other ethnic groups and can conduct business. Tamil children can get education in any of the schools and universities in any part of the country unlike sinhala/muslim kids. Children get free education in the country. Sinhalese are not allowed to attend universities in the north and east. All the sinhala/muslim people were chased away from the north and east where as tamils can live anywhere in the country without any discrimination. If LTTE is providing tamils a safe heaven why did they move out of the north.

Tamils can join the parliament if they're elected through an election. Lakshman Kadirgamaris tamil and held a prestige position in the parliament as the foreign minister but was killed by the LTTE. Look at Muralitharan, wold class bowler. How did he excel if tamils are discriminated. He came from one of the elite schools situated in an area where majority is sinhala/muslims.

Tamils are not the only ethnic group that was required to carry national ID at all times in colombo. All civilians in colombo, including sinhala and muslims are required to carry IDs with them. I was stopped more than twice at check points and I had to carry my passport with me at all times since I've misplaced my ID.

And the list continues....

I can go on and on but I'll rather not. I didn't want to reply to this thread but finally it got the better of me. Each country should take care of their own matters.

[blueyonder]

1. This is not a political forum ... this discussion has to stop, so does the killing in SL.

2. There is so much hatred between SL Tamils and Singhalese ... pls see the videos on you tube, rediff etc and the comments ... it like a cyber warfare and the posts contain so much hatred between both sides. No wonder there is so much killing and disregard for human life in SL now.

3. People get confused between LTTE and Srilankan Tamils they think they are the same ... Srilankan tamils are facing humanitarian crisis and some people consider raising voice against this crisis is supporting LTTE.

4. SL may be a different country but the Tamils living in India have interest in them and their welfare. This has to be recognized by the Indian government if it values the interest of its people. (Its a dont care situation ... and the apathy is growing in Tamilnadu that they are alienated)

5. There is no expectation from any other Indian other than a Tamil Indian to have interest in this issue unless it was on a human grounds.

6. This cause belongs to Tamils and only Tamils can solve this issue, Indian government is a union of many states and languages and there is oneness of being an Indian if the issue is of interest to the rest of the union. Now it belongs to a <10% Minority (Tamils) so it stays as a Tamil issue. Rest of the Indians don't care if it is happening in SL or Uganda.

We have a oneness in this forum because we all are waiting for GC and nothing else holds us together. Lets stop this discussion now .... it doesnt take us anywhere.

[Kodi]

What ethnic cleansing you're talking about? All tamils are not LTTE but all LTTE members are tamils. So you're saying the gov destroying LTTE is wrong because they're tamils and the gov should not try to liberate the country, they should give LTTE what they're asking for and leave it at that. And what's the guarantee that they're going to end it at that.

If there's ethnic cleansing or genocide happening in sri lanka how come tamils lead prosperous lives in other parts of the country?

[rajsenthil]

If there's ethnic cleansing or genocide happening in sri lanka how come tamils lead prosperous lives in other parts of the country?

I do not understand what do you mean by this? Can you explain it?

[old_hat]

The issue started long before LTTE but it has not stayed static. There were many opportunities to set it correct which LTTE shunned. Again a lot of Tamils joined mainstream in Lanka and LTTE went after them too.

[Kodi]

War is in the northern and eastern provinces. Sinhala and Muslims were driven out of this area by the LTTE. Tamils live all over the country. Tamils lead regular life in other areas of the country that's not succumbed to the war, this includes the capital, colombo. They conduct business, attend universities/schools, they lead a regular life just like any other sinhala or muslims. Tamils lead prosperous lives in other parts than the north and east. The reason they can't live in the north or east is due to their own LTTE, the group that was supposed to liberate tamils.

If there's ethnic cleansing or genocide against tamils, Sinhala and muslim people should be killing tamils all over the country. This is not case in Sri Lanka. I have tamil friends and classmates, we went to school together. How come there are tamil ministers in the parliament. Parliment members Lakshman Kadirgamar and Jeyaraj Fernandopulle both tamils and were killed by the LTTE not the gov. How can this be ethnic cleansing?

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[tamil12]

SL Aravas over pitched language loudness is the whole problem. Arava people want to devide the country there. Santhan that is why it doesn't make any sense. There are Malayalis also in SL but never created nuisance!
If you belive what jihadis is doing wrong in Kashmir. What aravas doing in SL is wrong.

The terrorism either Islamic or Tamil it is terrorism... I can't support a terrorist because he is having roots in India.

Why are you using the word Arava? Don't use that again in the forum..Behave your self.

[newtoearth]

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[vamsi_poondla]

I think here everybody are agreeing to the same thing. Some valid points,
1) People are agreeing pre-LTTE situation was no rosy.
2) Sinhala-Tamil conflict has some deeper socio-ecomomic reasons
3) Sinhala people were less tolerant. Like usually adaptable minorities, SL Tamils did not learn Sinhalese when "Sinhala-Only" policy came. (while everybody learnt English (and many Chinese) in Singapore.
4) Indian politicians (whatever reasons they might have) in 1980s supported LTTE - camps run by RAW and Indian Army trained LTTE. So, we created a monster. Just like American forces trained OBL in Afghanistan as part of Mujahideen against Russians. So, we reaped what we sowed.
5) Some spineless leaders from TN support LTTE. More than anybody they dont know the difference. Or may be to harvest some votes by flaring up emotions.
6) LTTE is evil and has no place on earth.
7) As soon as conflict is over, we have to make sure that SL will really understand how to solve the crisis. SL has to become secular, adapt common business language (English??) and coexist with the north. Short term, they should perhaps grant limited autonomy. It was done earlier and it worked almost everytime, Just need some leadership. Again, this should be our hope and suggestion. No self-respecting country can be told what to do. We can suggest in exchange for some favors. Or else we will be marginalized.

And for good, we should not meddle into others affairs. Whether we hate or love Congress, we all know Rajiv Gandhi would have made lot of difference than many weak PMs we saw after PVN. We lost him in hands of an evil orgn. So, pray that they are eliminated with ZERO innocent people being killed.

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[poorslumdog]

You are talking about Sinhala... LOL... Have you ever been to chennai? Look at the Black paint on Hindi letters on Government boards!:D

Why do they need Hindi in Tamil Nadu...Do you talk Tamil. Then why do you ask them to talk in Hindi.

[rajsenthil]

You are talking about Sinhala... LOL... Have you ever been to chennai? Look at the Black paint on Hindi letters on Government boards!:D
It is far far better than where in some states, North Indian people are kicked and thrown out. This NEVER happed in TN. May be some arrogant people like you make it happen.

[newtoearth]

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[poorslumdog]

Dude I am not saying Aravas needs to learn Hindi.. Why should they an Hindi in TN that is the over piched loudness I am talking about. Chennai is metro city dude.. So many language people are stying there... for rest of the indian the hindi boards needed... Whats wrong..
But politicians and tamil activists successfully spread the hatered...:eek:

Then go to Asam and the naxels are waiting to kick your ass. And go to Mumbai and the Raj thakrey will give you enough shit

[newtoearth]

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[rajsenthil]

Every body knows what happend to kannadigs in chennai, and riots on kannada businesses.
If you want tell me I will give you the THE HINDU ( Chennai Edition) news paper dates so that you can refer to facts.

What ever the drama is being played in Srilanka by aravas if they are going to play those tactics in USA .... immidiately will be kicked out:p

Come on guys.. I can't believe that I am seeing such a support to language terrorists.

Oh, now I understand why you dont make any sense. :cool:

[Vishal2007]

I am watching this thread last 36 hours, this is not media to discuss political issues, we are here to educate/lobby so called law makers of this country for our immigration issues.

STILL BEING TAMILIAN, I HAVE RIGHTS TO SAY MY THOUGHTS


Tamils in SL is not Indian citizen but they migrated long back still have culture,family relation in India. Rajive got assassinated because he is trying to implement unpopular/unacceptable foreign policy in SL simply by trusting his popularity (he deserved for his mistake) One Sikh killed Indira but we accept another Sikh as our PM. It is Indian gov. lobbied efforts to ban LTTE by western country. they are well organized, disciplined and high tech group. some people raise another issue, they recruited young children to fight, we all are talking so called democartic India, still encouraging child labor every where in India. Srilanka Government boldy refusing all western country pressure, even United Nation (UN, this is pice of shit in the trash) unable to convience SL gov. because it is backed by Indian gov. or you may called Sonia gov.


Bottom line is Sonia is taking revenge on Tamils by supporting SL gov., after all she is from the country that killed Jesus.

We already denounced India, I am carrying Indian passport with shame.




see the link below,




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2McxGpfoUM0&feature=related

[newtoearth]

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[blueyonder]

Dude Newtoearth,

Who are you actually .... you are waging a battle here ... have you guys not waged enough battle in SL and on the internet. Stop it pls .....

You are again proving the point the SL govt is trying to prove. Quit it man ... we all know that there is a Govt sponsored propaganda group trying to post and fight in every forum .. I seriously doubt you are one of them ... with a proxy ID for IV.

Stop it now man ... SL have spilt enough blood ... your posts suggest that the thirst for blood never ends ... either it be Sinhalese or Tamil.

[vamsi_poondla]

Language is a very hot boiled subject. We have to be a bit practical about what makes it work. Anti-hindi agitations have other roots as well. Understanding Dravidian history needs an open mind. Same is the case with everything about India.

IMO, India is not formed with a single ethnic group colonizing almost empty land and forming a nation based on some principles and later vast immigration followed by years on assimilation based on melting pot concept. It is more of an idea that is formed politically. All 4 south Indian states having a vast culture being ordered to use one language perhaps backfired fueled by resentment against upper castism that existed in Congress during that time.

Again, it is not either supporting or criticizing any event. That is what happened. We have all Hindi movies being super hit in Chennai. Once can walk in any street in Chennai and transact in English. I find many auto-drivers or even common man,go out of way to help when I speak in English in Chennai. So, please dont stereotype,

Coming back to the point, if we had gone for Hindi as a national and sole business language, (I dont like insisting any thing in a democracy), we would have perhaps missed IT/BPO wave and most of us will not be here in this forum.

[dreamworld]

Newtoearth who are you.

why the independent news-reporters are not allowed to the places where the "hostage" "Rescue operation" are held by srilanka govt? SL Govt can not hide the truth. World knows now. So Stop saying it again and again. Try to get down to the earth.

Do you know the core issue that created SL.Tamil issues? Read the history. Srilanka.Govt want to limit the SriLakan Minority rights and privileges. right? It might be different if the SL.Govt showed any change at policy level and get more SL.tamil civilians support before it started the "rescue operation".

[sobyb]

I am watching this thread last 36 hours, this is not media to discuss political issues, we are here to educate/lobby so called law makers of this country for our immigration issues.

STILL BEING TAMILIAN, I HAVE RIGHTS TO SAY MY THOUGHTS


Tamils in SL is not Indian citizen but they migrated long back still have culture,family relation in India. Rajive got assassinated because he is trying to implement unpopular/unacceptable foreign policy in SL simply by trusting his popularity (he deserved for his mistake) One Sikh killed Indira but we accept another Sikh as our PM. It is Indian gov. lobbied efforts to ban LTTE by western country. they are well organized, disciplined and high tech group. some people raise another issue, they recruited young children to fight, we all are talking so called democartic India, still encouraging child labor every where in India. Srilanka Government boldy refusing all western country pressure, even United Nation (UN, this is pice of shit in the trash) unable to convience SL gov. because it is backed by Indian gov. or you may called Sonia gov.


Bottom line is Sonia is taking revenge on Tamils by supporting SL gov., after all she is from the country that killed Jesus.

We already denounced India, I am carrying Indian passport with shame.




see the link below,




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2McxGpfoUM0&feature=related



This post clearly shows your poor judgement, please start viewing/analyzing politics and history beyond your group/creed/clan's interest.

Be proud of being an Indian!

[shingqor]

Just curious.

Does it mean a uncouth rowdy person?

Is it a Tamil word, or a Singhala word?


Arava stands for over pitched language loudness..

You are issuing some FATHWA on me LOL dude...??? Grow up..
Are you there when some some one used Gujju word here...???

[old_hat]

I am watching this thread last 36 hours, this is not media to discuss political issues, we are here to educate/lobby so called law makers of this country for our immigration issues.

STILL BEING TAMILIAN, I HAVE RIGHTS TO SAY MY THOUGHTS


Tamils in SL is not Indian citizen but they migrated long back still have culture,family relation in India. Rajive got assassinated because he is trying to implement unpopular/unacceptable foreign policy in SL simply by trusting his popularity (he deserved for his mistake) One Sikh killed Indira but we accept another Sikh as our PM. It is Indian gov. lobbied efforts to ban LTTE by western country. they are well organized, disciplined and high tech group. some people raise another issue, they recruited young children to fight, we all are talking so called democartic India, still encouraging child labor every where in India. Srilanka Government boldy refusing all western country pressure, even United Nation (UN, this is pice of shit in the trash) unable to convience SL gov. because it is backed by Indian gov. or you may called Sonia gov.


Bottom line is Sonia is taking revenge on Tamils by supporting SL gov., after all she is from the country that killed Jesus.

We already denounced India, I am carrying Indian passport with shame.


What a massacre of history! LTTE has killed anyone who has opposed them. They killed Tamils who joined the govt. They killed Tamils who opposed them. they killed Sri Lankan Tamils, they killed Indian Tamils. They have believed in terror at every point of history. It is a terrorist organisation. I believe a lot of Tamils got killed ar Sriperambudar in the rally Rajiv was killed. Sonia on her part appealed for clemency to one of the accused who was sentenced to be hanged because she had a small child. Your passion and facts are getting mixed up here.

[poorslumdog]

What a massacre of history! LTTE has killed anyone who has opposed them. They killed Tamils who joined the govt. They killed Tamils who opposed them. they killed Sri Lankan Tamils, they killed Indian Tamils. They have believed in terror at every point of history. It is a terrorist organisation. I believe a lot of Tamils got killed ar Sriperambudar in the rally Rajiv was killed. Sonia on her part appealed for clemency to one of the accused who was sentenced to be hanged because she had a small child. Your passion and facts are getting mixed up here.

You Moron...open your Freaking eyes and read all the posts here. No one is supporting the LTTE. Why do you deviate from the topic again and again. We are talking about the civilians getting killed...but your freaking mind things and talks only about LTTE.

[old_hat]

You Moron...open your Freaking eyes and read all the posts here. No one is supporting the LTTE. Why do you deviate from the topic again and again. We are talking about the civilians getting killed...but your freaking mind things and talks only about LTTE.

dude if u have no arguments, stop from calling names. i am not the one to be riled by intenet name calling. it is no bravery.

See my other posts and you will clearly see i have said that civilians need to be protected whether they are in darfur, kosovo or lanka. and i was replying to this particular person who was claiming

<i>It is Indian gov. lobbied efforts to ban LTTE by western country. they are well organized, disciplined and high tech group. some people raise another issue, they recruited young children to fight,</i>

this guy is clearly condoning LTTE. Dude either you get a pair of glasses or get some arguments with logic and yeah calling someone moron is not an argument.

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[dreamworld]

Some one talking about the fellow decendents...Indian...

1. Srilankan Tamil is not Indians...
2. Most support Malasian tamil issue because.. it is having some sence...

So don't campare the things... See the issue as stand alone...

You created your forum-id just for discussing Tamil issues. So i suspect you seemed to be browsing around this site to make some noise. This community/forum heard your voice and your views on this topic is not popular at all. So learn why not popular and learn the truth.

You seems to have very basic insight into these issue and trying to pick forum fight.

[newtoearth]

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[poorslumdog]

in this thread... last 1o posts are about newtoearth...

people will take peosonally and call names when they can't argue with facts...

if you can talk on the issue lets discuss else (I know this is what you want when you know that you don't have any facts to support you...)
What is relationship to my ID and Attack on Indian Army by Eelam Guys, Real Stupid ...
... I have been so non popular only aravas browsing the thread...

Hey you know what..
There are many Indian Languages top of you in population in India or in rest of the world
Hindi
PANJABI
Bengali
Telugu
all of the above comminities are living all over the world.. But no one made any noise...
Now you think.. where the problem is .. Every body mingled with locals...
But if any one sees Singapore, Malasia, or SL. you know ...
Enough...
I am out of this disscussion if some one is talking it personally

What about Hindi guys are kicked out in asam and Mumbai. Malasiya, Singapore and SL have tamil population and thats why the noise is.

Basically you are a singala guy in this forum for long time and created this id to today to fight with tamils. Because no other indian guy will call tamil as arava...In fact we hear it for the first time and no one knows or cares what it means.

[poorslumdog]

:D:D:D

This reminds me a hilarious movie Burn After Reading!
I am almost rolling on the floor here...

Should I say who supports Prabhakaran here are LTTE or LTTE sponsored ? I don't think so:D:D

You are the only one talking about LTTE or prabaharan. No one cares. Others are talking about civilian..do u know the meaning for that.

[blueyonder]

[QUOTE=newtoearth;338494]Dear dreamworld I am an Indian (period)

I am who wants to see my fellow indians and country free from trrorism Either Islamic or Tamil or any other kind...

"I am Indian (Period)" this what all Srilankans posting in Indian or Public forum say.

Second ... Why do you call Tamil as terrorist, we do not have Tamil terrorism in India .... you have gotten everything wrong in your head .... we all are talking about Srilankan Tamil civilians not the LTTE. You better get it straight we are only talking about the humanitarian crisis faced by the Srilankan Tamils if you get it mixed up its your problem.

Pls refrain from posting any hate message about Tamils in this forum.

[old_hat]

[QUOTE=newtoearth;338494]Dear dreamworld I am an Indian (period)

I am who wants to see my fellow indians and country free from trrorism Either Islamic or Tamil or any other kind...

"I am Indian (Period)" this what all Srilankans posting in Indian or Public forum say.

Second ... Why do you call Tamil as terrorist, we do not have Tamil terrorism in India .... you have gotten everything wrong in your head .... we all are talking about Srilankan Tamil civilians not the LTTE. You better get it straight we are only talking about the humanitarian crisis faced by the Srilankan Tamils if you get it mixed up its your problem.

Pls refrain from posting any hate message about Tamils in this forum.

Dude you are missing his point. He did not call Tamils terrorists. he called LTTE terrorists and that is TRUE in all senses of the word.

[newtoearth]

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[old_hat]

wow so many people here have intolerance for a differing opinion/view point. very petty name calling on forum or as ratings on posts. people are not open to facts or difference of opinions. and whoever is posting fu's to my posts you are basically wasting your energy. i am not going to get riled on an internet forum discussion and i would suggest you do the same. take a chill pill.

[newtoearth]

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[dreamworld]

:D:D:D

This reminds me a hilarious movie Burn After Reading!
I am almost rolling on the floor here...

Should I say who supports Prabhakaran here are LTTE or LTTE sponsored ? I don't think so:D:D

There is a real truth and history. thats why the whole world is crying for Ceasefire and Diplomacy!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8022190.stm
Extract from the news
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Ceasefire pressure
Mr Bildt told the BBC: "They have said I am not welcome at this particular period of time - they were saying that they can't handle too many people.
"There must be some sort of reason but it has to be a rather odd one."
Mr Bildt said he was recalling the Swedish ambassador in Sri Lanka for consultation, adding that Sri Lanka did "not seem to be too interested" in its relationship with Sweden at the moment.
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[poorslumdog]

[QUOTE=blueyonder;338511]

Dude you are missing his point. He did not call Tamils terrorists. he called LTTE terrorists and that is TRUE in all senses of the word.

Its not he....Its you...yes, you are the one comng in three different IDs and supporting yourself.:eek:

[poorslumdog]

Did you ever heard about a frog in well story!:rolleyes:

JaiHind

Yes...you singala racist.

[newtoearth]

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[newtoearth]

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[old_hat]

[QUOTE=old_hat;338512]

Its not he....Its you...yes, you are the one comng in three different IDs and supporting yourself.:eek:

get over delusional thoughts. At my age I am not looking for vindication from any quarters. my opinions are my own and mostly well supported with facts. And yes I am flexible to changing my views based on facts and arguments based on facts.

[poorslumdog]

singala racist won't say jai hind... try to come out of that well

Jaihind

Good try....try something else now..=:)

[newtoearth]

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[dreamworld]

get over delusional thoughts. At my age I am not looking for vindication from any quarters. my opinions are my own and mostly well supported with facts. And yes I am flexible to changing my views based on facts and arguments based on facts.

There is a real truth and history. thats why the whole world is crying for Ceasefire and Diplomacy!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8022190.stm
Extract from the news
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Ceasefire pressure
Mr Bildt told the BBC: "They have said I am not welcome at this particular period of time - they were saying that they can't handle too many people.
"There must be some sort of reason but it has to be a rather odd one."
Mr Bildt said he was recalling the Swedish ambassador in Sri Lanka for consultation, adding that Sri Lanka did "not seem to be too interested" in its relationship with Sweden at the moment.
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[old_hat]

There is a real truth and history. thats why the whole world is crying for Ceasefire and Diplomacy!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8022190.stm
Extract from the news
----------------------------
Ceasefire pressure
Mr Bildt told the BBC: "They have said I am not welcome at this particular period of time - they were saying that they can't handle too many people.
"There must be some sort of reason but it has to be a rather odd one."
Mr Bildt said he was recalling the Swedish ambassador in Sri Lanka for consultation, adding that Sri Lanka did "not seem to be too interested" in its relationship with Sweden at the moment.
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dude i have said civilians in all wor/terrorism zones need to be supported. Please read my posts.

[rajsenthil]

Here Some Arava became Sherlock Holmes II
Unfortunately its a flop show.. I pity you dude..

If you are not Sinhalese then you must be SAROJA DEVI :D
I could guess this from one of your post :cool:

[gimme_GC2006]

as long as puppet Mannu and ring mistress sonia are in New delhi, Indian govt will do nothing...I dont support LTTE at any cost but condemn civilian killing.
:mad:

[Vishal2007]

Tamils are totally discriminated in our so called Home land, I support Prabhakaran to bring Elam that brings relief to Tamils in India, We denounced India long back,, 35 yrs back terrorist Bal Thackeray killed Tamils (for his cheap politics) in Mumbai, then Karnataka (they are incomparable with trash) . Just for every one to know, if you are Singhalese 40% is good for your start College, if not, you need 80% to continue for college.

[vamsi_poondla]

Just for every one to know, if you are Singhalese 40% is good for your start College, if not, you need 80% to continue for college.

Do you mean if a SL Tamil minority person who can speak and write in Sinhala, he still needs 40%? Is it possible to provide adequate proof that discriminates SL Tamils if they can use Sinhala medium?

[JazzByTheBay]

This discussion is way off topic for this forum.

A nation has responsibility (to the extent possible in case of those not residing within its borders) for protecting its citizens.

Once you give up the citizenship of your country of origin, your allegiance, and therefore the expectation of "protection", should be towards and from the country of your citizenship, not from a "foreign government".

jazz



Tomorrow if we or our generations are getting killed in the US, would you say the same thing. Now do you understand why the country needs to care about its people no matter where they are.

[Keeme]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_sri_lanka_civil_war


What a shame ! Yesterday only UPA Govt. issued a statement that because of their intensive efforts SL govt. has stopped bombing.

Congress/ Sonia is seeing this as personal which shouldn't have been the case.

Countries like Japan, Norway have condemned these attacks by SL govt/ sending diplomats and our UPA govt. PM says we can't do anything !

See the poor foreign policy by UPA govt. - Nepal has fallen to Maoist- backed by China, Taliban are rising as never before, LeT has become more stronger, Bangladesh soldiers are killing CRF personals on the boarder and India is home for more 2 Carores Bangladeshi now, China is disputing Arunachalam...and many more.

[svr_76]

And you have moved to the US. Participating in IV forums to see when/how the visa bulleting can be changed so your date becomes current and you get a GC and are free to hop and try to get a job of your dream. Why do you care about these things? Just wait for your card man...enjoy the wait in the line..rest of the stuff is not of your worry (unless offcourse you get laid off and then all of a sudden your patriotism wakens up...and u get all firedup to proove your mettle in your own land.?


Leave this pseudo-patriotism in your apartment dude as u are in the land of dreams that you dreamt about. Just worry about the time it takes for u to get GC and then wait 5 years to get citizenship.

[panini]

if you are Singhalese 40% is good for your start College, if not, you need 80% to continue for college.

Totally incorrect. I challenge you to prove this.

The fact is if you go to secondary (grade 6-12) school in a district that have the best schools like Colombo, Kandy and Jaffna (Jaffna used to have some of the best schools, now I am not sure), then you need to score higher than say from someoone from a backward district like Monaragala or Batticalloa that does not have good schools. This does not have anything to do with your ethnicity. It takes in to account that fact that those from areas with best schools with all the facilities have a better chances than those from less developed aras. So a Sinhalese from Colombo or a Tamil or a Muslim from Colombo needs to score slightly higher to get in to college than a Sinhalese from Monaragala or Tamil from Amparai.

Please do not fabricate this kind of propganda. Tamils do have equal rights just as Sinhalese and Muslims in the country. The core of the issue is this blood thirsty and power hungry LTTE terrorists does not want peace. They know that they cannot survive in a peaceful situaltion. That is why thet sabotaged all the previous peace talks.

The LTTE is right now cornered in an area less that 4 miles. If the SL gov did not care about the safety of the civilians do you really think it is gonna take them this long to finish the LTTE. The reason is that the SL forces are moving very slowly and cautiously to minimize civilian casualties. The sad thing is that the LTTE terrorits are shooting at their own people to create a situaltion and get international attention. Isn't it ironical that the so called saviour of the SL Tamils Probhkaran now has to hide behind the saris of poor innocent tamils women to save his skin??????

[nandakumar]

I completely agree with you.

Few of the most trusted allies for India in the region are Tamils from Sri Lanka and Baluch people from Pakistan but this present UPA govt ditched both of them.

As a Tamil, I too carry the Indian passport with shame and can't wait to see the day when I become a US citizen.

I am watching this thread last 36 hours, this is not media to discuss political issues, we are here to educate/lobby so called law makers of this country for our immigration issues.

STILL BEING TAMILIAN, I HAVE RIGHTS TO SAY MY THOUGHTS

Tamils in SL is not Indian citizen but they migrated long back still have culture,family relation in India. Rajive got assassinated because he is trying to implement unpopular/unacceptable foreign policy in SL simply by trusting his popularity (he deserved for his mistake) One Sikh killed Indira but we accept another Sikh as our PM. It is Indian gov. lobbied efforts to ban LTTE by western country. they are well organized, disciplined and high tech group. some people raise another issue, they recruited young children to fight, we all are talking so called democartic India, still encouraging child labor every where in India. Srilanka Government boldy refusing all western country pressure, even United Nation (UN, this is pice of shit in the trash) unable to convience SL gov. because it is backed by Indian gov. or you may called Sonia gov.

Bottom line is Sonia is taking revenge on Tamils by supporting SL gov., after all she is from the country that killed Jesus.

We already denounced India, I am carrying Indian passport with shame.

see the link below,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2McxGpfoUM0&feature=related

[venetian]

Kodi,

From the bottom of your heart can you tell the forum that there was no discrimination against Tamils in Sri Lanka after its independence from Great Britain.

War is in the northern and eastern provinces. Sinhala and Muslims were driven out of this area by the LTTE. Tamils live all over the country. Tamils lead regular life in other areas of the country that's not succumbed to the war, this includes the capital, colombo. They conduct business, attend universities/schools, they lead a regular life just like any other sinhala or muslims. Tamils lead prosperous lives in other parts than the north and east. The reason they can't live in the north or east is due to their own LTTE, the group that was supposed to liberate tamils.

If there's ethnic cleansing or genocide against tamils, Sinhala and muslim people should be killing tamils all over the country. This is not case in Sri Lanka. I have tamil friends and classmates, we went to school together. How come there are tamil ministers in the parliament. Parliment members Lakshman Kadirgamar and Jeyaraj Fernandopulle both tamils and were killed by the LTTE not the gov. How can this be ethnic cleansing?

[panini]

This is totally correct!!!

Also I would like to ask the posters here who say that SL tamils are discrimanated, can you please post the things that a SL Tamil is NOT allowed to do in Sri Lanka that a Sinhalese is allowed. I am curious to know what they are. :D

War is in the northern and eastern provinces. Sinhala and Muslims were driven out of this area by the LTTE. Tamils live all over the country. Tamils lead regular life in other areas of the country that's not succumbed to the war, this includes the capital, colombo. They conduct business, attend universities/schools, they lead a regular life just like any other sinhala or muslims. Tamils lead prosperous lives in other parts than the north and east. The reason they can't live in the north or east is due to their own LTTE, the group that was supposed to liberate tamils.

If there's ethnic cleansing or genocide against tamils, Sinhala and muslim people should be killing tamils all over the country. This is not case in Sri Lanka. I have tamil friends and classmates, we went to school together. How come there are tamil ministers in the parliament. Parliment members Lakshman Kadirgamar and Jeyaraj Fernandopulle both tamils and were killed by the LTTE not the gov. How can this be ethnic cleansing?

[panini]

Because no other indian guy will call tamil as arava...In fact we hear it for the first time and no one knows or cares what it means.

That is not a Sri Lankan word either. That is the first time I heard it myself.

[minimalist]

Eventhough from a humanitarian point of view, I feel UPA should work with Srilankan government to work out peace. However it is not because the people being killed are Tamilians , who speak the same language as people from my neighbouring state.

I feel sorry for all the civilians who got killed in Iraq, same way.

Now you can't wait to "relinquish" the citizenship of a country that didn't poke it's nose into the affairs of a different sovereign nation as soon as you get the citizenship of another country that is directly responsible for deaths and horrible conditions of scroes more people.

The only reason you are carrying a Indian passport is because it suits you for now. The only condition you are willing to ditch that is when you are sure of a better suited passport for you.

Now express your anger/sympathy or any other emotion but don't pose as if you are doing it for the betterment of world. You put the language people speak over the country one belongs to. Remember the pledge you took during schooling? It said all Indians are my brothers and sisters. If you want to be a world citizen, no issues. People like you are of no use to any country. If you find an issue, work on rectifying it if you have the guts. Don't give dramatic statements like " I too carry the Indian passport with shame"

I completely agree with you.

Few of the most trusted allies for India in the region are Tamils from Sri Lanka and Baluch people from Pakistan but this present UPA govt ditched both of them.

As a Tamil, I too carry the Indian passport with shame and can't wait to see the day when I become a US citizen.

[illusions]

Kodi,

From the bottom of your heart can you tell the forum that there was no discrimination against Tamils in Sri Lanka after its independence from Great Britain.

venetian, you could say that the Tamils in SL were just as a much discriminated in SL as the Muslims in India.

There is no such Genocide happening in SL as some claim. As a matter of fact the LTTE ethnically cleansed the Muslims from the NE of the country in the 90's, yet the Muslims in SL didn't bare arms against the LTTE.

Mind you the civil war in SL is against the LTTE, not the Tamils.

[Jerrome]

This is totally correct!!!

Also I would like to ask the posters here who say that SL tamils are discrimanated, can you please post the things that a SL Tamil is NOT allowed to do in Sri Lanka that a Sinhalese is allowed. I am curious to know what they are. :D

Read this report if you have time. This will tell you why the problem in SL will be there for ever. Again i am not supporting LTTE.

If SL does not change then someone else will come even if there is no LTTE.

http://tamilnational.net/images/2009/april/Asia/TamilNational_Genocide_Part_I.pdf

[panini]

Mind you the civil war in SL is against the LTTE, not the Tamils.

Correct! And it is not even a "Civil War". It is really a war ti erradicate terrorism from Sri Lankan soil. The term Civil War refers to a war between people in a country. The SL government is not waging a war against it's Tamil citizens but against a terrorist group.

[Jerrome]

Correct! And it is not even a "Civil War". It is really a war ti erradicate terrorism from Sri Lankan soil. The term Civil War refers to a war between people in a country. The SL government is not waging a war against it's Tamil citizens but against a terrorist group.

Whoever is supporting the SL govt. Do you deny these facts. From 1948 various SL govts been using different approaches and policies to discriminate Tamils in SL,Now it is in the name of fight against Terrorism.

Ever since independence in 1948, government policies have systematically violated the social, economic and cultural rights of Tamils: through the disenfranchisement of the Indian Tamils, through state sponsored colonization of the North-East by Sinhalese settlers, frequently accompanied by forceful eviction of Tamils, through a discriminatory language, education and recruitment policy which pursued but one aim: the Sinhalization of the state. Today, more than 90 % of civil servants, and 99 % of the security forces are Sinhalese. The politics of ‘positive discrimination’ of the Sinhalese appears presently to be transformed into one of long-term exclusion of the Tamils because of proven incapacity. For what reasoning other than to eliminate the formerly superior Tamil competitiveness once and for all, while prolonging, even cementing Sinhala domination well into the next generation, can be adduced to explain the surplus of 14 000 Sinhala as against a shortage of 10 000 Tamil medium teachers, the lack of the most elementary school equipment (over 120 000 desks and chairs in the Vanni alone); a teacher pupil ratio of 70 to 1 in Tamil areas as against 22 to 1 for the rest of the country? The results of this outright violation of rights manifest themselves: in the competitive examinations for the Sri Lanka Accountant and the Administrative Service at most two Tamils were selected each year since the early 1990s!

[ujjwal_p]

I completely agree with you.

As a Tamil, I too carry the Indian passport with shame and can't wait to see the day when I become a US citizen.

Let me be the first to say, all the best to you to get the US citizenship fast... and more importantly good riddance... And all the best for Americans to get a model citizen like you. By the way, I hope you do know about the oath you need to take to become an American. Hope you do that sincerely and are not narrow-minded then.

[illusions]

Correct! And it is not even a "Civil War". It is really a war ti erradicate terrorism from Sri Lankan soil. The term Civil War refers to a war between people in a country. The SL government is not waging a war against it's Tamil citizens but against a terrorist group.

my bad, what i meant was war. Jerrome that reports is one sided, bias and is opinionated.

[panini]

It is easy to spit out numbers like this. Do you have independent proof of these? Please don't point us to LTTE run web sites. Provide hard proof if you can.

As for "formerly superior Tamil competitiveness", I am sure what you refer to is, the fact that during the British period, the Tamils were given the lion's share (pardon my pun) of all the civil service and other administrative jobs as part of their divide and Rule policy. When SL gained independence of course, things changed so that formerly discriminated Sinhalese started getting their fair share of thse opportunities. Mind you that Sinhalese are after all 75% of SL. Are you saying it is fair to ask 12% of the population (SL Tamils) to have 50% of all the opportuniies and land and the resources reserved for them???



Whoever is supporting the SL govt. Do you deny these facts. From 1948 various SL govts been using different approaches and policies to discriminate Tamils in SL,Now it is in the name of fight against Terrorism.

Ever since independence in 1948, government policies have systematically violated the social, economic and cultural rights of Tamils: through the disenfranchisement of the Indian Tamils, through state sponsored colonization of the North-East by Sinhalese settlers, frequently accompanied by forceful eviction of Tamils, through a discriminatory language, education and recruitment policy which pursued but one aim: the Sinhalization of the state. Today, more than 90 % of civil servants, and 99 % of the security forces are Sinhalese. The politics of ‘positive discrimination’ of the Sinhalese appears presently to be transformed into one of long-term exclusion of the Tamils because of proven incapacity. For what reasoning other than to eliminate the formerly superior Tamil competitiveness once and for all, while prolonging, even cementing Sinhala domination well into the next generation, can be adduced to explain the surplus of 14 000 Sinhala as against a shortage of 10 000 Tamil medium teachers, the lack of the most elementary school equipment (over 120 000 desks and chairs in the Vanni alone); a teacher pupil ratio of 70 to 1 in Tamil areas as against 22 to 1 for the rest of the country? The results of this outright violation of rights manifest themselves: in the competitive examinations for the Sri Lanka Accountant and the Administrative Service at most two Tamils were selected each year since the early 1990s!

[Jerrome]

my bad, what i meant was war. Jerrome that reports is one sided, bias and is opinionated.

My point is simple,
As long as the discrimination is there in SL against tamils, the war won't be won. You can eliminate LTTE but not the root cause of the problem.
Let us see what your govt is going to do after removing terrorism from its soil. my bad no one can see or write about this right. i think i have to get information only from defence.lk because there are no reporters(even singalese) left in SL.

[panini]

Yes, I have seen this and more than enough LTTE sponsored propoganda web sites. This is nothing new. Just beware, do not believe everything you see. Do your own research and form your own opinion.

Read this report if you have time. This will tell you why the problem in SL will be there for ever. Again i am not supporting LTTE.

If SL does not change then someone else will come even if there is no LTTE.

http://tamilnational.net/images/2009/april/Asia/TamilNational_Genocide_Part_I.pdf

[Jerrome]

It is easy to spit out numbers like this. Do you have independent proof of these? Please don't point us to LTTE run web sites. Provide hard proof if you can.

As for "formerly superior Tamil competitiveness", I am sure what you refer to is, the fact that during the British period, the Tamils were given the lion's share (pardon my pun) of all the civil service and other administrative jobs as part of their divide and Rule policy. When SL gained independence of course, things changed so that formerly discriminated Sinhalese started getting their fair share of thse opportunities. Mind you that Sinhalese are after all 75% of SL. Are you saying it is fair to ask 12% of the population (SL Tamils) to have 50% of all the opportuniies and land and the resources reserved for them???

Panini, This is the kind of opinion and mindset is causing the problem. Your reply tells more than the report i provided. I want to see singalese and tamils living peacefully and with equal rights in SL.

I pray god everyday for that only. Every human being is same, Getting discriminated and discriminating people is so stone age mindset.

[panini]

Hmmm... Not sure what you mean about my opinion and mindset. I was only responding to your "accusation" of SL government destroying "competitiveness" by providing some facts openly known to almost all Sri Lankans but not in the outside world. Those facts also give you an insight in to the root cause of the problem. You are free to form any opinions about me. Just remember that there are two sides to each story. Look at both sides before you make a judgement.

As for your wish wanting to see Sinhalese and Tamils living as equals in a peaceful sri lanka, we all share that sentiment with you and Thank you for that. Hopefully that day is not too far.

Panini, This is the kind of opinion and mindset is causing the problem. Your reply tells more than the report i provided. I want to see singalese and tamils living peacefully and with equal rights in SL.

I pray god everyday for that only. Every human being is same, Getting discriminated and discriminating people is so stone age mindset.

[Jerrome]

Hmmm... Not sure what you mean about my opinion and mindset. I was only responding to your "accusation" of SL government destroying "competitiveness" by providing some facts openly known to almost all Sri Lankans but not in the outside world. Those facts also give you an insight in to the root cause of the problem. You are free to form any opinions about me. Just remember that there are two sides to each story. Look at both sides before you make a judgement.

As for your wish wanting to see Sinhalese and Tamils living as equals in a peaceful sri lanka, we all share that sentiment with you and Thank you for that. Hopefully that day is not too far.

Panini, Since i know the history better i was making those comments, My opinions are not based on the articles or something which i read recently.

Do you dispute this link, do you think even this is Pro LTTE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Sri_Lankan_civil_war

Tell me is any of this root causes identified in this wikipedia entry is going to be GONE after this war against Terror. I don't think SO.

Now tell me how the problem will be solved if these root causes are not resolved.

[venetian]

Illusions,

If BBC, AFP, AP & Reuters are considered a reliable source of information, then what is happening in Sri Lanka is genocide.

venetian, you could say that the Tamils in SL were just as a much discriminated in SL as the Muslims in India.

There is no such Genocide happening in SL as some claim. As a matter of fact the LTTE ethnically cleansed the Muslims from the NE of the country in the 90's, yet the Muslims in SL didn't bare arms against the LTTE.

Mind you the civil war in SL is against the LTTE, not the Tamils.

[jelo]

I completely agree with you.

Few of the most trusted allies for India in the region are Tamils from Sri Lanka and Baluch people from Pakistan but this present UPA govt ditched both of them.

As a Tamil, I too carry the Indian passport with shame and can't wait to see the day when I become a US citizen.
US citizenship looks too far for you, sail to your beloved place and make sure you throw your passport on your way.

[nandakumar]

Technically I can change my country of citizenship any number of times in my life (cannot, if struck like this GC limbo) or even religion but I cannot change my ethnicity even once because I'm born into it.

I agree Sri Lanka is a sovereign country but why did India poke its nose on the pre-1971 Pakistan and created a new country Bangladesh. Is there a different standard for different people with the Indian govt policies?

Even If I had not got the opportunity to come this great nation United States of America, land of free and country of brave, I would have done whatever I could in India to help the beleaguered Sri Lankan Tamils and protested against the policies of Govt of India toward this issue.

I’m upfront about showing my resentment towards my country of birth and I ’don’t show false patriotism/nationalism towards India like other Pseudo-Nationalists, who internally betray India at any moment and ready to change their nationality at the next opportunity but externally portray that they are the guardian of India and it is their soul. I currently live in a country, where even burning the national flag is considered a form of protest, if someone thinks that expressing resentment to India or protesting against her policy is unpatriotic, grow up guys.

You can say whatever you want and judge me in your point of view, I’m not going to argue about it because you don’t live a life of a Indian Tamil with hands tied of being called a terrorist, when you support Sri Lankan Tamil cause, and you cannot understand the relationship we (Tamils from India) have with the Sri Lankan Tamils, besides the people (including small babies and even some in the womb), who are getting killed in Sri Lanka by the Sri Lankan government are not your kith and kin.

….. If you find an issue, work on rectifying it if you have the guts. Don't give dramatic statements like " I too carry the Indian passport with shame" ….

You don’t know me, and you don’t know what positive things me and my family has done and doing to the people of India, particularly to the farming community and you don’t know what I’m doing to rectifying issues (whatever I’m working on)…..you should be careful when making these kind of statements on person you don’t know anything about except one comment on this thread.


Eventhough from a humanitarian point of view, I feel UPA should work with Srilankan government to work out peace. However it is not because the people being killed are Tamilians , who speak the same language as people from my neighbouring state.

I feel sorry for all the civilians who got killed in Iraq, same way.

Now you can't wait to "relinquish" the citizenship of a country that didn't poke it's nose into the affairs of a different sovereign nation as soon as you get the citizenship of another country that is directly responsible for deaths and horrible conditions of scroes more people.

The only reason you are carrying a Indian passport is because it suits you for now. The only condition you are willing to ditch that is when you are sure of a better suited passport for you.

Now express your anger/sympathy or any other emotion but don't pose as if you are doing it for the betterment of world. You put the language people speak over the country one belongs to. Remember the pledge you took during schooling? It said all Indians are my brothers and sisters. If you want to be a world citizen, no issues. People like you are of no use to any country. If you find an issue, work on rectifying it if you have the guts. Don't give dramatic statements like " I too carry the Indian passport with shame"

[nandakumar]

buddy,

I'm already in my beloved place and with your contribution and help to Immigration Voice, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for the help.

Remember, you are doing this to potentially ditch India and to change your nationality and are going to take oath

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law..............."

My question is, hypothetically if in future if there is a war between USA and India, and hypothetically you become a US citizen, how do you conform to the oath?

Looks like my posting hit the nerve hard, i see it from your response.

I'm cultured enough not to bring your mother and father into the conversation.

Good Luck

Ask your mom why she had you with shameless Indian. US citizenship looks too far for you, sail to your beloved place and make sure you throw your passport on your way.

[ujjwal_p]

Remember, you are doing this to potentially ditch India and to change your nationality and are going to take oath


Wrong! Stop assuming dude. People are here because they need the Green Card. We don't take an oath to renounce loyalties when we get it. Of course your intention is clear and I am thankful that we Indians don't need to count on you. Of course, its interesting that you are quite happy being a US Citizen when it's the US which has called the LTTE a terrorist organization. Hmm, I hope you did your research. Anyway, too late. We don't need you anymore in India and like I said earlier, good riddance. All the best!

[jelo]

buddy,

I'm already in my beloved place and with your contribution and help to Immigration Voice, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for the help.

Remember, you are doing this to potentially ditch India and to change your nationality and are going to take oath

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same..............."

Looks like my posting hit the nerve hard, i see it from your response.

Good Luck

Dude

you are such a contradicting personality. If I take the above oath, at least I will be loyal to the country of my citizenship. somebody washed your brain with too much of what it is not in reality. You have to put your country before your race, color, ethnicity and religion. That is what I learnt as definition for citizenship. I have very good tamil friends and even showed your statement. I am glad that they just hate your personality and you are an atypical Indian tamil.

[nandakumar]

I never stated that I support LTTE.

I understand, how intolerant you are. What is wrong in protesting or showing resentment?

Wrong! Stop assuming dude. People are here because they need the Green Card. We don't take an oath to renounce loyalties when we get it. Of course your intention is clear and I am thankful that we Indians don't need to count on you. Of course, its interesting that you are quite happy being a US Citizen when it's the US which has called the LTTE a terrorist organization. Hmm, I hope you did your research. Anyway, too late. We don't need you anymore in India and like I said earlier, good riddance. All the best!

[ujjwal_p]

I never stated that I support LTTE.

I understand, how intolerant you are. What is wrong in protesting or showing resentment?

It's not about showing resentment. Being able to protest is a fundamental right in a democracy, unlike a dictatorship which essentially the LTTE is. We do that everyday in India, America and other democratic setups. It's quite clear that you don't understand the basic concept of a pluralistic democracy that India and America stand for. To see what's wrong with what you said, let me quote you back :

As a Tamil, I too carry the Indian passport with shame and can't wait to see the day when I become a US citizen.


Now if you don't see anything wrong with that, fair enough. But I do. I don't see resentment there. I see treason. In fact, along with you I'll also probably party when you become a USC. That day will be as happy a time for Indians to not have you around as I'm sure it'll be for you.

[Ramba]

It is easy to spit out numbers like this. Do you have independent proof of these? Please don't point us to LTTE run web sites. Provide hard proof if you can.

As for "formerly superior Tamil competitiveness", I am sure what you refer to is, the fact that during the British period, the Tamils were given the lion's share (pardon my pun) of all the civil service and other administrative jobs as part of their divide and Rule policy. When SL gained independence of course, things changed so that formerly discriminated Sinhalese started getting their fair share of thse opportunities. Mind you that Sinhalese are after all 75% of SL. Are you saying it is fair to ask 12% of the population (SL Tamils) to have 50% of all the opportuniies and land and the resources reserved for them???


Panani,

I dont blame you for your post as you are singalese. However, don't try to hide the truth. Your post itself has the answer. British, did not discriminate the singalse. Though, they ruled India and SL, they always respected the skills and knowledge. Thatswhy, tamils were in good position before 1948. SL denied the voting rights to estate Tamils and want to keep them as slaves. 33% Tamils become 20% because of that act, apart from mass killing of Tamils by SL. SL are still doing forced/barbaric sterilization on Tamil women. The undeniable truth is SL did not want to Tamils to overtake them (pollitically, socially, economically,); though they are the natural born citizen of SL.

I certainly blame GOI, for its mercyless view on Tamils, as they are killed in India's Doorstep. I dont blame one guy saying "its shame to carry the Indian passport".

See the wikipedia It wont lie.

There is a sizable population of Tamils in the Central Province, plantation laborers brought down from India by the British colonial authorities in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. These Indian Tamils (or Estate Tamils), as they are called, still work mainly in Sri Lanka’s tea plantations. They have been locked in poverty for generations and continue to experience poor living conditions.[15] Although they speak the same language, they are usually considered a separate community from the Sri Lankan Tamils of the North and East.

The government of D.S. Senanayake passed legislation stripping the estate Tamils of their citizenship in 1949, leaving them stateless.

The effect was to tilt the island's political balance away from the Tamils. In 1948, at independence, the Tamils had 33% of the voting power in Parliament.[citation needed]. Upon the disenfranchisement of the estate Tamils, however, this proportion dropped to 20%. The Sinhalese could and did obtain more than a 2/3 majority in Parliament, making it impossible for Tamils to exercise an effective opposition to Sinhalese policies affecting them. The main reason for the imbalance was that several multi member constituencies elected a Tamil member of Parliament in a majority Sinhala electorate. The idea in having multi member constituencies was to prevent domination of minorities by a future nationalist government.

[nandakumar]

I never said that I'm disloyal to India or anything derogatory about India.

My statement "shame to hold Indian passport" is to express my resentment and to protest against the polices of the govt of India towards the Sri Lankan Tamil issue. I believe in freedom of expression and I have every right to protest what I deemed to be injustice.

I saying it again, in this country even burning of the national flag is considered a form of protest.

I'm expressing my feelings, if you or your so called "Tamil friends" are not matured enough to understand freedom expression and genuine protesting, I don't care and i don't owe any explanation to any one. Also I don't care what judgments other make about me.


Dude

you are such a contradicting personality. If I take the above oath, at least I will be loyal to the country of my citizenship. somebody washed your brain with too much of what it is not in reality. You have to put your country before your race, color, ethnicity and religion. That is what I learnt as definition for citizenship. I have very good tamil friends and even showed your statement. I am glad that they just hate your personality and you are an atypical Indian tamil.

[ujjwal_p]

I saying it again, in this country even burning of the national flag is considered a form of protest.



Dude, you are seriously delusional. The day you try that stunt with the stars and stripes you'll be on Limbaugh, OReilly, Hannity, Glenn Beck, you name it. I don't agree with them but will still love to watch that unfold on TV.

[nandakumar]

What is treason here, did I betray India? did I sold India's secrets to some other country?

For me it is personal, my kith and kin are getting killed (talking about innocent civilians and not the LTTE) in Sri Lanka and India is actively supporting the Govt of Sri Lanka with weapons and other things, India can leverage its power to stop Sri Lanka to fight until Tamil civilians are cleared from the war zone but deliberately India is not doing that.

I abide by the constitution of India but at the same time I cannot be silent when the country leadership is pursuing a wrong policy, that I wouldn't have protested if India never involved in the issue ever but India used to be actively involved in the issue and has stake in it.

In my case, I came here to study and got an opportunity to work and decided that US is the best place for my career and applied for GC, eventually I might apply for citizenship but with this issue I have another strong reason to pursue my GC.

Just for argument sake, If one believes that their country of birth is pursuing a wrong policy, they can choose to move to a different country rather than living there and blaming it at every opportunity . What is wrong with it?

History is full of so many examples


Jews from Nazi Germany
Oppressed from communist soviet union
Cubans from Fidel Castro regime
Sikhs from India
and so on and so forth


If you or some one is curious, just to introduce me. I'm member of IV from Feb 2006, I participated in all the IV initiatives, besides check my entire forum history to see any where i had showed dissent towards India or for that matter any thing desperate except for free riders in the forum. This issue is personal to me and I have strong opinion on this.

It's not about showing resentment. Being able to protest is a fundamental right in a democracy, unlike a dictatorship which essentially the LTTE is. We do that everyday in India, America and other democratic setups. It's quite clear that you don't understand the basic concept of a pluralistic democracy that India and America stand for. To see what's wrong with what you said, let me quote you back :

Now if you don't see anything wrong with that, fair enough. But I do. I don't see resentment there. I see treason. In fact, I'll probably come over and party with you when you become a USC. That day will be as happy a time for Indians to not have you around as I'm sure it'll be for you.

To respond to your other post...and FYI

Check this link or goolge to know more about US flag burning protest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._Johnson

Dude, you are seriously delusional. The day you try that stunt with the stars and stripes you'll be on Limbaugh, OReilly, Hannity, Glenn Beck, you name it. I don't agree with them but will still love to watch that unfold on TV.

[mkumar]

Wrong! Stop assuming dude. People are here because they need the Green Card. We don't take an oath to renounce loyalties when we get it. Of course your intention is clear and I am thankful that we Indians don't need to count on you. Of course, its interesting that you are quite happy being a US Citizen when it's the US which has called the LTTE a terrorist organization. Hmm, I hope you did your research. Anyway, too late. We don't need you anymore in India and like I said earlier, good riddance. All the best!

Thanks for being the self-designated, unpaid spokesperson for "we indians" and keeping track of accountable indians :)

[ujjwal_p]

For me it is personal, my kith and kin are getting killed (talking about innocent civilians and not the LTTE) in Sri Lanka and India is actively supporting the Govt of Sri Lanka with weapons and other things,

Get your facts right first. India is not actively supporting Sri Lanka. It would be suicidal for India (especially considering nutcases like you that exist) to even think of that again. Sri Lanka is using Israeli UAV's and Chinese fighter aircraft and artillery to fight the LTTE. In fact, India is at a strategic disadvantage now because we choose not to help Sri Lanka militarily. And in fact, Sri Lanka has always suspected India of supporting the LTTE. Read about the "string of pearls" geopolitical strategy of China before letting your emotions run crazy.



India can leverage its power to stop Sri Lanka to fight until Tamil civilians are cleared from the war zone but deliberately India is not doing that.


India rightfully doesn't care about the LTTE. LTTE is a terrorist organization. Period. They killed a former Prime Minister and it doesn't matter if you support the Congress party or the BJP. This is beyond politics and concerns the nation. The primary humanitarian issue in the conflict so far has been with Mullattivu. As soon as that stage started, Shiv Shankar Menon, the Indian Foreign Secretary went and conveyed India's concerns to the President and other higher officials in Colombo. You tell me what India should do. Should we send the IPKF again maybe? Let's get realistic.


I abide by the constitution of India but at the same time I cannot be silent when the country leadership is pursuing a wrong policy, that I wouldn't have protested if India never involved in the issue ever but India used to be actively involved in the issue and has stake in it.

Fine, I don't agree with my government all the time. But I don't say I'm ashamed of my country like you did. In this situation, India does not have any control unless we want to go to war with Lanka. And the LTTE is a terrorist organization declared by the USA. So now genius you tell me,what should we have done.


In my case, I came here to study and got an opportunity to work and decided that US is the best place for my career and applied for GC, eventually I might apply for citizenship but with this issue I have another strong reason to pursue my GC.

Awesome. Good for you. India won't miss you either. And I can tell you right now, you are the kind of a person who will not have any loyalties anywhere but to a very small narrow race or culture. You do not understand the definition of a pluarlistic democracy and will never assimilate anywhere. The day the US says something about the Lankan conflict or any other conflict which you disagree with you'll bolt to Canada. I guarantee that. It doesn't matter to me what you do but don't go around misleading people here by casting aspersions on what India or for that matter any country can do in a complex geopolitical situation. You don't know half of it and you better grow up and admit it.


Just for argument sake, If one believes that their country of birth is pursuing a wrong policy, they can choose to move to a different country rather than living there and blaming it at every opportunity . What is wrong with it?

History is full of so many examples


Jews from Nazi Germany
Oppressed from communist soviet union
Cubans from Fidel Castro regime
Sikhs from India
and so on and so forth


If you or some one is curious, just to introduce me. I'm member of IV from Feb 2006, I participated in all the IV initiatives, besides check my entire forum history to see any where i had showed dissent towards India or for that matter any thing desperate except for free riders in the forum. This is issue is personal to me and I have strong opinion on this.



FYI, I am not Tamilian but I have lived in Tamil Nadu for more than 10 years and can speak it fluently. Needless to say, I have a lot of Tamilian friends and know the culture. I understand the suffering that the Sri Lankan tamils are going through, especially in the Mullattivu region. But we have to understand this is a war which has been going on for decades now. What do you expect to happen in a war? Rave parties?

Anyway hopefully, this will mark the end of the sufferring of both Sri Lankan Tamils and Sinhalese from now on. Both sides in that country have gone through enough already.

Also I give a rats a** how long you've been in IV. It's your attitude and narrow minded selfishness which tell the whole story for everybody to see.

[ujjwal_p]

Thanks for being the self-designated, unpaid spokesperson for "we indians" and keeping track of accountable indians :)

Nice one. I'll take that dig.

[ujjwal_p]

To respond to your other post...and FYI

Check this link or goolge to know more about US flag burning protest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._Johnson

That's not the point dude. Do you think just because its legal, its acceptable and people are burning flags everyday. What are you smoking brother?

[BharatPremi]

buddy,

I'm already in my beloved place and with your contribution and help to Immigration Voice, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for the help.

Remember, you are doing this to potentially ditch India and to change your nationality and are going to take oath

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law..............."

My question is, hypothetically if in future if there is a war between USA and India, and hypothetically you become a US citizen, how do you conform to the oath?

Looks like my posting hit the nerve hard, i see it from your response.

I'm cultured enough not to bring your mother and father into the conversation.

Good Luck

Nandakumar,

It is pretty much proven that in your mental territory you have already ditched India and it is the USA which will take long to grant you a GC and then afterwards citizenship for which you almost represented your beggar like mentality. But that is not my concern and should not be. I have only one question to you and I hope youwould try to answer it with all possible honesty.

Q: What will be your view regarding USA's official policy to consider LTTE a terrorist organisation? ONce you will be come US citizen how will you align yourself with this policy?

[minimalist]

As a person you are offended that I made comment based on what you said in one post without considering your whole lifestory. India's history is out there for everybody to see and most educated indians know pretty well what kind of a nation India is.
However, you managed to compare India with Nazi Germany. Great job. Based on 1 incident, you managed to slam a great nation like India. But when it comes to you you want many factors considered. Why the double standard?

Then there are some wacko job politician from TN that says if Prabhakaran is hurt , they will separate from India. All they need is read back to early years of post independence India and a person named Vallabh Bhai Patel. There are still people with similar capacity in India, that will bring such wacko jobs and their supporters in control.

Remember, same goes true for the wacko jobs from Maharashtra too who say Maharashtra is for Marathi's.

Don't compare 1971 Bangladesh with current day Srilanka, if you can think straight.

Flag burnig is a criminal offense in India, just FYI.

Technically I can change my country of citizenship any number of times in my life (cannot, if struck like this GC limbo) or even religion but I cannot change my ethnicity even once because I'm born into it.

I agree Sri Lanka is a sovereign country but why did India poke its nose on the pre-1971 Pakistan and created a new country Bangladesh. Is there a different standard for different people with the Indian govt policies?

Even If I had not got the opportunity to come this great nation United States of America, land of free and country of brave, I would have done whatever I could in India to help the beleaguered Sri Lankan Tamils and protested against the policies of Govt of India toward this issue.

I’m upfront about showing my resentment towards my country of birth and I ’don’t show false patriotism/nationalism towards India like other Pseudo-Nationalists, who internally betray India at any moment and ready to change their nationality at the next opportunity but externally portray that they are the guardian of India and it is their soul. I currently live in a country, where even burning the national flag is considered a form of protest, if someone thinks that expressing resentment to India or protesting against her policy is unpatriotic, grow up guys.

You can say whatever you want and judge me in your point of view, I’m not going to argue about it because you don’t live a life of a Indian Tamil with hands tied of being called a terrorist, when you support Sri Lankan Tamil cause, and you cannot understand the relationship we (Tamils from India) have with the Sri Lankan Tamils, besides the people (including small babies and even some in the womb), who are getting killed in Sri Lanka by the Sri Lankan government are not your kith and kin.



You don’t know me, and you don’t know what positive things me and my family has done and doing to the people of India, particularly to the farming community and you don’t know what I’m doing to rectifying issues (whatever I’m working on)…..you should be careful when making these kind of statements on person you don’t know anything about except one comment on this thread.

[blueyonder]

Enough of Nandhakumar bashing and patriotism .... this tread is about the sufferings of Srilankan Tamils. No one is trying to support LTTE. Clean up your head ... civilians are different from LTTE. Problem here is that every time someone talks about Srilankan tamils it is correlated with LTTE and the discussion is deliberately twisted.

Also stop calling names ... there is no TAMIL TERRORIST ... as there is no Hindi or English terrorist ... this is like branding the entire tamil speaking population.

[Ramba]

As a person you are offended that I made comment based on what you said in one post without considering your whole lifestory. India's history is out there for everybody to see and most educated indians know pretty well what kind of a nation India is.
However, you managed to compare India with Nazi Germany. Great job. Based on 1 incident, you managed to slam a great nation like India.

---For one second hold on your patriotism for India. What kind of greatness did you find in India? Supreme court orders to share the water between TN and Karnadaka. But state of karnataka don't obey the court order. Everytime TN has to beg for water. Same is true with Kerala. Bihari, peoples can not go and work in Maharastra; It is shame that happens in same country. why Bihar to Maharastra? You can not bring the TN labors just live 2 km from kerala border to work in tea estate in Kerala where communist has strong union to protest the job taken away by other state labors. Here we are talking about restriction on H1B. It is just two examples of millions of social, economical, political problems in India.

...
But when it comes to you you want many factors considered. Why the double standard?

Then there are some wacko job politician from TN that says if Prabhakaran is hurt , they will separate from India. All they need is read back to early years of post independence India and a person named Vallabh Bhai Patel. There are still people with similar capacity in India, that will bring such wacko jobs and their supporters in control.

Remember, same goes true for the wacko jobs from Maharashtra too who say Maharashtra is for Marathi's.

-----Are you following what we are discussing? We are not talking about Maratha for Marathi or Tamilnadu for Tamils.

Don't compare 1971 Bangladesh with current day Srilanka, if you can think straight.

----May we know why one should not compare India's role in Bangladesh with SL?.

The problem with SL issue, most of the Indians consider this issue as a "Tamil" issue rather than "Indian" issue.Thats why, though severity and number of life lost in SL is much greater than bangladesh, people ask this type of question.

Flag burnig is a criminal offense in India, just FYI.

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[minimalist]

I wonder what is causing people to say this water is for Kanndiga's. This state is only for Marathas.
Water issues always arise when the stae above tries to have as much as it can with no regard to the sates below. Instead of politicians in Karnataka thinking we should play fair, they stoke the regional sentiments saying we will give our lives to protect Kannadiga interests. Same story with every state where there are enough gullible people to assume that they are fighting for their right. As long as they have fish to bite the race/ethnicity/language/caste cards, they will do it.
If you can't find anything to be proud of about India, then I don't know what to say.

I am following the discussion. The reason I mentioned about Maratha issue is to bring attention to the fact that I have issue with the segregation on basis of regional/ethnicity and not against Tamilians specifically.

Remember this is 2009. If that doesn't answer your question on why shouldn't compare Bangladesh with Srilanka, nothing ever will. (You can wake up the person who is sleeping , but you can't wake up some one who is pretending to be sleeping.)

I am an Indian and my native tongue is not Tamil. I donot consider the issue in Srilanka as Tamil issue. I don't consider it as Indian issue either. I consider it as Srilankan issue.

Hope this addresses some of your questions.

Originally Posted by minimalist
---For one second hold on your patriotism for India. What kind of greatness did you find in India? Supreme court orders to share the water between TN and Karnadaka. But state of karnataka don't obey the court order. Everytime TN has to beg for water. Same is true with Kerala. Bihari, peoples can not go and work in Maharastra; It is shame that happens in same country. why Bihar to Maharastra? You can not bring the TN labors just live 2 km from kerala border to work in tea estate in Kerala where communist has strong union to protest the job taken away by other state labors. Here we are talking about restriction on H1B. It is just two examples of millions of social, economical, political problems in India.

...
-----Are you following what we are discussing? We are not talking about Maratha for Marathi or Tamilnadu for Tamils.


----May we know why one should not compare India's role in Bangladesh with SL?.

The problem with SL issue, most of the Indians consider this issue as a "Tamil" issue rather than "Indian" issue.Thats why, though severity and number of life lost in SL is much greater than bangladesh, people ask this type of question.

[Ramba]

I am an Indian and my native tongue is not Tamil. I donot consider the issue in Srilanka as Tamil issue. I don't consider it as Indian issue either. I consider it as Srilankan issue.

Hope this addresses some of your questions.

Being a NRI in US, your conclusion is it is a SL issue, not a India issue. This is because you enjoy freedom, safety and opportunity in USA, even though you are just a non-immigrant in USA. Hope it will continue. If your job, safety, security, life becomes danger here, then do not get help from India or Indian consulate in USA; because it is a "US issue" as per your logic.

[Amma]

Friends,

The ongoing war between Srilanka and LTTE has grand Indian design and help to Srilanka.
To defeat the so called terrorist organisation LTTE, the whole world is helping Srilanka.
Sonia Gandhi want to avenge the death of her husband.She won't mind killing of thousands of innocent civilians to satisfy her loss in her family. The able primeminister Manmohan singh also became and acting like dumb puppet in this issue.The so called world tamil leader Karunanidhi also joining with Sonia and ditching srilankan tamils.

Two sikhs killed our primeminister Indira. Did we start killing sikhs enmass like the slaughtering of innocent civilians in Srilanka ?.Instead we made Manmohansingh as our primeminister and we are proud of him. That is the real Indian spirit.

LTTE is the creation due to discrimination of Srilankan's Singala only policy.Srilankan tamils fight for their just right in non-violent way initially.When that non-violence activities were crushed by Srilankan government , the disillusioned tamil youths took arms.

Though LTTE did many atrocities, the Srilankan government is not Buddha. They killed many, raped many and encroached the traditional tamil lands.

Even if the present war won by Srilanka government, that country is not going to have peace. Even if Prabakaran and LTTE perished in this war , there will be more Prabakarans will emerge. The seeds are being sown by srilankan government atrocities.

Nelson Mandela was once declared as terrorist by US government.Bagatsingh declared as terrorist by the British.

Time only will tell who is a terrorist and who is a freedom fighter.

Proud to be an Indian but ashamed by senseless acts of Sonia and company.

[venetian]

Come on guys

Why there is so much name calling

I read the entire forum postings to get a perspective. I might quote from most of the participants.

Honestly speaking most of us are members of IV because we want to fix the problem with employment based legal immigration system. We do this because we want to get GC to settle down in life, or to get the deserving promotion or start the new venture we were dreaming about - all in the US. Many of us may eventually apply for the US citizenship.

In some of the forums, members talk of being born in India or China as sin, they get so desperate during the visa bulletin announcements, depressed when they see the PD moving backwards, envy non India & China EB2 applicants, heated EB3 vs EB2 debate, heated labor substitution debate etc etc etc. Personally I know many who curse themselves for being born in India, I’m sure they do not literally mean but it is out of frustration of being in this country for many years and not able to do what they wish in career or in life because of the GC issue, that being said,

Nandakumar’s only grievance is that present Govt of India does not help or care for the suffering of Sri Lankan Tamils, I cannot speak for him but I think because of his intense support for the cause of SL tamils, he might have over stated his displeasure towards India but he never once mentioned Tamil Nadu or its secession or even splitting Sri Lanka , or fights between some of the states in India, or anything related to regionalism and did not even mention or support LTTE in his original postings but only to respond to other members postings.

As I said earlier, all most all of the IV members want to get GC and may want to become US citizen, I’m not sure whether the members who had responded to Nandakumar’s postings have the intentions of permanently settling down in the US. If they do, I don’t see any difference between end objective of either of them, one may present extreme view of protest and reason that for getting US citizenship and other might reason that there is better opportunity in the US than India to get US citizenship, bottom line is both want to leave India and become a citizen of another country, in this case US and show allegiance to the US and its constitution, there after both needs to get Indian visa to visit India, what an irony.

We are a educated lot, I think members should show restraint and stop this name calling business, if they do not agree on an issue, they should agree to disagree but should not disgrace a person and as another member did, do not bring parents into the discussion, just because the other party has opposite view.

Recent past USCIS has raided many Indian owned consulting companies for visa and immigration fraud, earlier too few consulting company bosses were arrested for labor substitution fraud etc, this shows how desperate are people to get GC, why someone has to involve in such frauds to be in the US permanently, what India or their home country has done to them, to leave their home country for US, there are many whose business is to bad mouth India with others. What to call these people?

Another interesting aspect is, nandakumar speaks for himself but others speak for all the Indians, not sure who elected them to represent all the Indians and how do they know the views of all the Indians.

A honest question for the members who are bashing Nandakumar, you are all here in the IV forum for time pass or with the intention of helping IV to work towards overhauling employment based legal immigration process and eventually to get GC and the US citizenship?

PS: I do support the genuine aspirations of the SL Tamils and NOT any organization designated as terrorist organization by some countries including the US and India

Nandakumar,

It is pretty much proven that in your mental territory you have already ditched India and it is the USA which will take long to grant you a GC and then afterwards citizenship for which you almost represented your beggar like mentality. But that is not my concern and should not be. I have only one question to you and I hope youwould try to answer it with all possible honesty.

Q: What will be your view regarding USA's official policy to consider LTTE a terrorist organisation? ONce you will be come US citizen how will you align yourself with this policy?

[minimalist]

You can paint it with any emotion but it still is the fact.
It is no diferent from the wat India dealt with extremism in Punjab.Until KPSGill stepped in,it kept raging. It is same as the way India trying to deal with Kashmir.

I am a non-immigrant in USA,sure. If I try to demand and bear arms to get a separate country here,definitely my life will be in danger.Should I expect India to come to my rescue?




Being a NRI in US, your conclusion is it is a SL issue, not a India issue. This is because you enjoy freedom, safety and opportunity in USA, even though you are just a non-immigrant in USA. Hope it will continue. If your job, safety, security, life becomes danger here, then do not get help from India or Indian consulate in USA; because it is a "US issue" as per your logic.

[illusions]

Illusions,

If BBC, AFP, AP & Reuters are considered a reliable source of information, then what is happening in Sri Lanka is genocide.

Please quote these sites where they mention what is happening in Sri Lanka is a "Genocide". What happened during WWII was a genocide of the Jews. The camps where the IDP's are kept are temporary where they are checked to make sure that there are no suicide bombers, terrorists etc. The LTTE is known to hide behind civilians and attack, like they do now from the safe zone. They are preventing the civilians from leaving the safe zone... so in effect the LTTE is committing a genocide. If there is a Genocide then you would see it everywhere in the country, which is not happening. Half my family side is Tamil, and live in the south / central and west of the island. They are all fine and have no issues, now you go figure.

Having said that i'm not gonna say that the SL gov is an angel, it has it's bad side and good side. I don't agree with the govt that Independent journalists should be kept away or intimidated, but coming from south asia (or any part of the world for that matter), you won't get any govt that is 100% good.

[Kodi]

What exactly is LTTE is asking for? They're asking for a seperate land within sri lanka and make it part of Tamil Nadu. So along that line of thought then why is India fighting for Kashmir?

Some of you are talking about a policy change. Can you tell me which policies that's in practice NOW discriminates tamils?

Read the artical below when u have time.
http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20090310_04

[Jerrome]

Please quote these sites where they mention what is happening in Sri Lanka is a "Genocide". What happened during WWII was a genocide of the Jews. The camps where the IDP's are kept are temporary where they are checked to make sure that there are no suicide bombers, terrorists etc. The LTTE is known to hide behind civilians and attack, like they do now from the safe zone. They are preventing the civilians from leaving the safe zone... so in effect the LTTE is committing a genocide of it's own people. If there is a Genocide then you would see it everywhere in the country, which is not happening. Half my family side is Tamil, and live in the south / central and west of the island. They are all fine and have no issues, now you go figure.

Having said that i'm not gonna say that the SL gov is an angel, it has it's bad side and good side. I don't agree with the govt that Independent journalists should be kept away or intimidated, but coming from south asia (or any part of the world for that matter), you won't get any govt that is 100% good.

It looks like your half family does not know what is happening in the camps. Rather these thrown out media reporters know about that in detail.

Oh..I forgot to mention all the people who are talking in this report are LTTE and supporters of LTTE.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/grim+scenes+at+sri+lankan+camps+/3126257

[illusions]

It looks like your half family does not know what is happening in the camps. Rather these thrown out media reporters know about that in detail.

Oh..I forgot to mention all the people who are talking in this report are LTTE and supporters of LTTE.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/grim+scenes+at+sri+lankan+camps+/3126257

No, they know what's going on, everybody know it's not a picnic there in the North, I didn't say that they were un aware what was going on in the North, all i said they are fine where they are, please read what i said. It seems you are only looking at it from 1 angle.

I'm not disputing what channel 4 reported, it's overwhelming for the govt to handle millions of IDP's and terrorists mixed up in 1 big bowl of soup. In any war situation there will always be cases of misconduct as it has happened in Iraq, Kashmir, Afghanistan etc.

Oh and thanks for being sarcastic, it proves a lot.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-8349680,00.html?gusrc=gpd

[Jerrome]

No, they know what's going on, everybody know it's not a picnic there in the North, I didn't say that they were un aware what was going on in the North, all i said they are fine where they are, please read what i said. It seems you are only looking at it from 1 angle.

I'm not disputing what channel 4 reported, it's overwhelming for the govt to handle millions of IDP's and terrorists mixed up in 1 big bowl of soup. In any war situation there will always be cases of misconduct as it has happened in Iraq, Kashmir, Afghanistan etc.

Oh and thanks for being sarcastic, it proves a lot.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-8349680,00.html?gusrc=gpd

I don't want to bring the Name LTTE in any context in this thread.

Do i support removing LTTE, Yes with full heart.

Do i support the way SL is conducting this war, NO.

Does my opinion matter, NO.

Can i express my opinion, Hell YES.

It is also not good for SL's Democracy because a dictator is in making for SL. Let me tell you this,after this war on terror is over, SL is going to be ruled by a dictator for a long time. wait and see. Again this is my humble opinion. If it is not going to happen i will be the happiest person.

[Kodi]

Do i support removing LTTE, Yes with full heart.

Do i support the way SL is conducting this war, NO.

It is also not good for SL's Democracy because a dictator is in making for SL. Let me tell you this,after this war on terror is over, SL is going to be ruled by a dictator for a long time. wait and see. Again this is my humble opinion. If it is not going to happen i will be the happiest person.

This gov as well as previous govs tried solving this issue for many years without going into a full pledge war. It was the LTTE that refused. Many attempts at peace talks ended without results because there's only one thing they need and that's a seperate land as Tamil Nadu. Now finally this president is doing something to end things and unite the country as one nation.

[patfanboston]

Can I ask a question - tangential, maybe, but not by much. Why do Tamils have such a problem assimilating? Why don't they learn the local language and respect the local culture when they immigrate? Their motto seems to be "In Rome, be a Raman".

And the opposite is true when people speaking other languages settle in Tamil majority areas - they are, dare I say, forced to integrate, because that is the only way one can manage to live on a day-to-day basis. Would Tamils ever allow a non-Tamil minority to gain even a tiny foothold in their areas where the Tamil writ would not run? I doubt it.

Note that I am a firm believer of learning and respecting the local culture and integration. One does have a 'right' to propagate one's own language and culture, but they lose that right substantially when they emigrate to an alien land - whether it is within the same country or not.

To extend the logic, when we (mostly people of Indian origin in this group, I would assume) immigrate to the US, while we may try to conserve our heritage in private, we cannot impose it on the locals. That is when you end up creating ill-will against immigrants among the native population. America has been a great melting-pot, and has had great success assimilating great waves of immigrants from various countries including Italy, Ireland, Scandinavia, Germany etc, and the reason it succeeded was that in a couple of generations, there was total integration into the American culture. We owe it to our adopted country to do the same.

[Marphad]

Yes, I have seen this and more than enough LTTE sponsored propoganda web sites. This is nothing new. Just beware, do not believe everything you see. Do your own research and form your own opinion.

First fix your profile. You can't be heard if your credibility is under question.

[Jerrome]

Can I ask a question - tangential, maybe, but not by much. Why do Tamils have such a problem assimilating? Why don't they learn the local language and respect the local culture when they immigrate? Their motto seems to be "In Rome, be a Raman".

And the opposite is true when people speaking other languages settle in Tamil majority areas - they are, dare I say, forced to integrate, because that is the only way one can manage to live on a day-to-day basis. Would Tamils ever allow a non-Tamil minority to gain even a tiny foothold in their areas where the Tamil writ would not run? I doubt it.

Note that I am a firm believer of learning and respecting the local culture and integration. One does have a 'right' to propagate one's own language and culture, but they lose that right substantially when they emigrate to an alien land - whether it is within the same country or not.

To extend the logic, when we (mostly people of Indian origin in this group, I would assume) immigrate to the US, while we may try to conserve our heritage in private, we cannot impose it on the locals. That is when you end up creating ill-will against immigrants among the native population. America has been a great melting-pot, and has had great success assimilating great waves of immigrants from various countries including Italy, Ireland, Scandinavia, Germany etc, and the reason it succeeded was that in a couple of generations, there was total integration into the American culture. We owe it to our adopted country to do the same.

Don't bring this flavor to the discussions. Do you know 25% of population in Tamilnadu are telugu speaking people.

Previous CM(MGR) was a keralite, MS Jayalailtha is a kanadika, Superstar Rajinikanth is a Kanadika, Mr vijaykanth is a Andhraite.

It is true that tamilians have high respect for their culture and identity so as everyone in the world. Even now the jews practice their culture and language here, are they getting discriminated for doing that? The problem arises when anyone is discriminated for some reasons.

Tamils in SL were not emigrated they were there for past 2000 years or so.

[venetian]

If you are talking about SL Tamils, they are not immigrants but are the native sons of northern part of the present geographical area known as Sri Lanka. Before Europeans came, they had their own kingdom but when finally British left, they left it with hands of the narrow minded majority, who started to discriminate ingenious Tamils left and right.

Of course there are Indian Tamils in Sri Lanka who were taken by British to work in the tea plantations.

Current issue in Sri Lanka is between native Tamils and Sinhalese. Indian Tamils factor very minimal.

Do some research before making a comment about entire ethnicity.


Can I ask a question - tangential, maybe, but not by much. Why do Tamils have such a problem assimilating? Why don't they learn the local language and respect the local culture when they immigrate? Their motto seems to be "In Rome, be a Raman".

And the opposite is true when people speaking other languages settle in Tamil majority areas - they are, dare I say, forced to integrate, because that is the only way one can manage to live on a day-to-day basis. Would Tamils ever allow a non-Tamil minority to gain even a tiny foothold in their areas where the Tamil writ would not run? I doubt it.

Note that I am a firm believer of learning and respecting the local culture and integration. One does have a 'right' to propagate one's own language and culture, but they lose that right substantially when they emigrate to an alien land - whether it is within the same country or not.

To extend the logic, when we (mostly people of Indian origin in this group, I would assume) immigrate to the US, while we may try to conserve our heritage in private, we cannot impose it on the locals. That is when you end up creating ill-will against immigrants among the native population. America has been a great melting-pot, and has had great success assimilating great waves of immigrants from various countries including Italy, Ireland, Scandinavia, Germany etc, and the reason it succeeded was that in a couple of generations, there was total integration into the American culture. We owe it to our adopted country to do the same.

[Kodi]

It is true that tamilians have high respect for their culture and identity so as everyone in the world. Even now the jews practice their culture and language here, are they getting discriminated for doing that? The problem arises when anyone is discriminated for some reasons.

Tamils in SL were not emigrated they were there for past 2000 years or so.

Just like the jews, tamils practice their culture and language in sri lanka without been discriminated. You don't see Jews armed with weapons asking for part of USA for themselves.

[svr_76]

I think this forum is the wrong place to discuss any of this. The thread must be deleted.

[venetian]

Tamils in the US too doesn't ask a part of US armed with weapons.

SL Tamils in Sri Lanka is fighting for their homeland which was unjust fully integrated by the Europeans/British with the Sinhalese majority south, paving way the Sinhalese to discriminate the Tamils in their homeland. SL Tamils are fighting for their homeland and not someone else land.

Just like the jews, tamils practice their culture and language in sri lanka without been discriminated. You don't see Jews armed with weapons asking for part of USA for themselves.

[Jerrome]

Just like the jews, tamils practice their culture and language in sri lanka without been discriminated. You don't see Jews armed with weapons asking for part of USA for themselves.

Don't you know about Israel? Don't tell me tamils are not discriminated in SL. It it outright lie and read my earlier posts with references.

[Keeme]

get your facts right first. India is not actively supporting sri lanka. It would be suicidal for india (especially considering nutcases like you that exist) to even think of that again. Sri lanka is using israeli uav's and chinese fighter aircraft and artillery to fight the ltte. In fact, india is at a strategic disadvantage now because we choose not to help sri lanka militarily. And in fact, sri lanka has always suspected india of supporting the ltte. Read about the "string of pearls" geopolitical strategy of china before letting your emotions run crazy.




India rightfully doesn't care about the ltte. Ltte is a terrorist organization. Period. They killed a former prime minister and it doesn't matter if you support the congress party or the bjp. This is beyond politics and concerns the nation. The primary humanitarian issue in the conflict so far has been with mullattivu. As soon as that stage started, shiv shankar menon, the indian foreign secretary went and conveyed india's concerns to the president and other higher officials in colombo. You tell me what india should do. Should we send the ipkf again maybe? Let's get realistic.


Fine, i don't agree with my government all the time. But i don't say i'm ashamed of my country like you did. In this situation, india does not have any control unless we want to go to war with lanka. And the ltte is a terrorist organization declared by the usa. So now genius you tell me,what should we have done.


Awesome. Good for you. India won't miss you either. And i can tell you right now, you are the kind of a person who will not have any loyalties anywhere but to a very small narrow race or culture. You do not understand the definition of a pluarlistic democracy and will never assimilate anywhere. The day the us says something about the lankan conflict or any other conflict which you disagree with you'll bolt to canada. I guarantee that. It doesn't matter to me what you do but don't go around misleading people here by casting aspersions on what india or for that matter any country can do in a complex geopolitical situation. You don't know half of it and you better grow up and admit it.



Fyi, i am not tamilian but i have lived in tamil nadu for more than 10 years and can speak it fluently. Needless to say, i have a lot of tamilian friends and know the culture. I understand the suffering that the sri lankan tamils are going through, especially in the mullattivu region. But we have to understand this is a war which has been going on for decades now. What do you expect to happen in a war? Rave parties?

Anyway hopefully, this will mark the end of the sufferring of both sri lankan tamils and sinhalese from now on. Both sides in that country have gone through enough already.

Also i give a rats a** how long you've been in iv. It's your attitude and narrow minded selfishness which tell the whole story for everybody to see.

well said !!

[Kodi]

Tamils live the same life as Sinhala and Muslims, if you're visited sri lanka you would see that. Schools are open to everyone within their respective distances, tamils conduct business same as muslims and sinhala. What you're discussing is something that happened when the country was given independance and the sinhala policy came into act. This is not the case anymore in sri lanka, if it was all the tamils in the country would have moved to the north where their so called saviors were fighting.

[Keeme]

I think this forum is the wrong place to discuss any of this. The thread must be deleted.

I'm sorry, forgot to say ' GOOD BYE" when you declared 3 weeks back - you won't visit IV site any more and wanted to denounce your IV membership.

May I ask, what made you to change your mind ?

Dear, you won't get a good farewell party here ! Pl help youself !

[Jerrome]

Tamils live the same life as Sinhala and Muslims, if you're visited sri lanka you would see that. Schools are open to everyone within their respective distances, tamils conduct business same as muslims and sinhala. What you're discussing is something that happened when the country was given independance and the sinhala policy came into act. This is not the case anymore in sri lanka, if it was all the tamils in the country would have moved to the north where their so called saviors were fighting.

Oops i may be living in a parallel world. I failed to see the people in yalpanam and triconmole living peacefully with equal rights.

FYI i have been to SL twice(2003 & 2005) to colombo and yalpanam(Pls don't comeback at me calling me as LTTE).
Have you ever been to yalpanam and triconmole while you were in SL.

[Kodi]

Read my previous posts where I said tamils that doesn't live in the war areas lead life just as other nationalities. Its my fault that I didn't mention it again.

Ofcourse people in yalpanam and triconmole are leading a hard life due to the war. Yes, I was in trincomalee just 3 years ago when they re-opened A9. I'm not talking about tamils in the areas where the war is going on. Who chased the sinhala and muslims from those areas? Its was the LTTE that pretty much ruled those areas till now.

Are you saying tamils are discriminated in Colombo?

What I'm saying is if tamils are discriminated then they would be all over the country.

[Jerrome]

Read my previous posts where I said tamils that doesn't live in the war areas lead life just as other nationalities. Its my fault that I didn't mention it again.

Ofcourse people in yalpanam and triconmole are leading a hard life due to the war. Yes, I was in trincomalee just 3 years ago when they re-opened A9. I'm not talking about tamils in the areas where the war is going on. Who chased the sinhala and muslims from those areas? Its was the LTTE that pretty much ruled those areas till now.

Are you saying tamils are discriminated in Colombo?

What I'm saying is if tamils are discriminated then they would be all over the country.

Read this
http://www.fidh.org/Expulsions-of-Tamils-from-Colombo

http://www.paperarticles.com/2008/09/tamils-resent-surveillance-in-colombo.html

My point is the same as following

"FIDH recalls that LTTE has been involved in various attacks on civilians, including recent bomb attacks. FIDH condemns such attacks; however, an indiscriminate and arbitrary reply targeting the whole Tamil community can only further fuel violence and polarization between the different ethnic communities in Sri Lanka."

[Kodi]

This is an old artical I was able to dig up. These LTTE members have been living in colombo for 15 years. Its hard for the military to pin point terrorist among so many tamils. That's why they asked them to justify their stay in colombo. Its not a pretty situation, if the military doesn't question then the LTTE would have already taken over the capital.

This is just one incident, so far military have found many times, large number of weapons are explosives from houses in Colombo.

http://www.lankalibrary.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2818

[patfanboston]

@venetian:

I was not responding to the Sri Lankan issue - please don't read it as such. As I said, my comment was tangential to the discussion thread. I was just writing about my observation of the behavior and attitude of Tamils in general in India.

@jerrome:

Your point about MGR/Jayalalitha/Rajanikanth just proves my point. These people migrated to Tamil Nadu, made it their home and 'assimilated' by learning Tamil and considering themselves Tamil and showing their love for Tamil - they did not become famous in TN by propagating Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada. Now, if only you could provide some examples of the other way around - Tamils who migrated elsewhere and who made the host cultures proud. Can you?

There definitely are Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada natives in TN - but without exception, they have 'Tamilized' themselves to a great extent to live a normal life. Is the converse true?

[return_to_india]

I have seen lot of Tamil folks in Kerala ( mainly migrated for construction work ). THose who came earlier speak good Malayalam.

[venetian]

Just a few...


Sellapan Ramanathan - President of Singapore
Sir Veerasamy Ringadoo, ex-President of Mauritius
Ariranga Govindasamy Pillay - ex-Chief Justice of Mauritius
Angidi Verriah Chettiar - ex-Vice President of Mauritius
Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar - Nobel Laureate and University of Chicago professor.
Navanethem Pillay - United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (originally from South Africa.)
James Appathurai -NATO Spokesman (from canada)
Lakshmi Sahgal - Freedom fighter settled in Kanpur
Tun V.T. Sambanthan - One of the founding father of modern Malaysia
S Jayakumar, Deputy Prime Minister, Singapore.
Tharman Shanmugaratnam, Minister of Education, Singapore.
Vivian Balakrishnan, Minister in, Singapore.
S Rajaratnam, ex-Deputy Prime Minister, Singapore.
S Dhanabalan, ex-Minister, Singapore.
Radhakrishna Padayachi, Minister in Republic of South Africa.
Gunasagaran Gounder, Fiji politician
Perumal Mupnar, Fiji politician
Aruna Roy - head of Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangathana, Rajastan
R. K. Laxman & R. K. Narayan, lived in Karnataka


I did not include Sri Lankan Tamil politicians or sports persons.

I can go on and on...

Again, do some research before commenting


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tamil_people

@venetian:

I was not responding to the Sri Lankan issue - please don't read it as such. As I said, my comment was tangential to the discussion thread. I was just writing about my observation of the behavior and attitude of Tamils in general in India.

@jerrome:

Your point about MGR/Jayalalitha/Rajanikanth just proves my point. These people migrated to Tamil Nadu, made it their home and 'assimilated' by learning Tamil and considering themselves Tamil and showing their love for Tamil - they did not become famous in TN by propagating Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada. Now, if only you could provide some examples of the other way around - Tamils who migrated elsewhere and who made the host cultures proud. Can you?

There definitely are Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada natives in TN - but without exception, they have 'Tamilized' themselves to a great extent to live a normal life. Is the converse true?

[dreamworld]

Just like the jews, tamils practice their culture and language in sri lanka without been discriminated. You don't see Jews armed with weapons asking for part of USA for themselves.

Your Justification makes no sense.............Jews and America is different. but SL.Tamils in SriLanka are like Jews and Hitler.

There is no independent media allowed to the war zone. That tells the truth is hidden.

So you might rise your voice and bring any comparisons/theory. but still you need hard-core independent media report to convince the world.

[dealsnet]

I am not a Tamil or Singalese. We cannot say Tamils went to Lanka and asking for homeland. The truth is both Tamils and Singalese migrated from India. May be Tamils went to Lanka before the Singalese. LTTE is a terrorist organization, but it gained popularity because of Singalese neglect of Tamils. I don't think the problem can be resolve through military means. The war will change from conventional to gorrilla within this year.
Only political solution can bring peace.
Read these historical facts about the singala migration.
http://www.lankalibrary.com/books/sinhala_history.htm

http://www.sinhaya.com/begining.htm
http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-13173.html

[Jerrome]

@venetian:

I was not responding to the Sri Lankan issue - please don't read it as such. As I said, my comment was tangential to the discussion thread. I was just writing about my observation of the behavior and attitude of Tamils in general in India.

@jerrome:

Your point about MGR/Jayalalitha/Rajanikanth just proves my point. These people migrated to Tamil Nadu, made it their home and 'assimilated' by learning Tamil and considering themselves Tamil and showing their love for Tamil - they did not become famous in TN by propagating Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada. Now, if only you could provide some examples of the other way around - Tamils who migrated elsewhere and who made the host cultures proud. Can you?

There definitely are Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada natives in TN - but without exception, they have 'Tamilized' themselves to a great extent to live a normal life. Is the converse true?

President of Singapore and people living in Singapore. I can go on with the list.

Can i ask simple question to you. what language you speak at home, which temple you are going in US?

Let us say after 25 years US is demolishing all the hindu,gurduars and asking everyone to convert to christianity. what will you do? Do you want to mingle into local culture.

If someone is coming to your home and asking you to eat different food and speak different language and workship different god what will you do? This applies to even a state and to a country?

Don't talk like a fool preaching immigrants should mingle with the country culture. We are not talking about immigrants here, Native Tamils in SL.

Tamil people migrated to WestIndies,Fiji, Malay,USA everywhere they are living peacefully, because they have adopted to their immigrated country.


I really don't know what is the point you are trying to make.

[GCKaMaara]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_sri_lanka_civil_war


What a shame ! Yesterday only UPA Govt. issued a statement that because of their intensive efforts SL govt. has stopped bombing.

Congress/ Sonia is seeing this as personal which shouldn't have been the case.

Countries like Japan, Norway have condemned these attacks by SL govt/ sending diplomats and our UPA govt. PM says we can't do anything !

See the poor foreign policy by UPA govt. - Nepal has fallen to Maoist- backed by China, Taliban are rising as never before, LeT has become more stronger, Bangladesh soldiers are killing CRF personals on the boarder and India is home for more 2 Carores Bangladeshi now, China is disputing Arunachalam...and many more.


Agreed.

[Jerrome]

This is an old artical I was able to dig up. These LTTE members have been living in colombo for 15 years. Its hard for the military to pin point terrorist among so many tamils. That's why they asked them to justify their stay in colombo. Its not a pretty situation, if the military doesn't question then the LTTE would have already taken over the capital.

This is just one incident, so far military have found many times, large number of weapons are explosives from houses in Colombo.

http://www.lankalibrary.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2818

Again you are replying with a different post than what i was referring. If you see a terrorist in your capital then you have all the rights to arrest them and put them in jail or hang them to death. You have all the rights.

but it was funny that they shippped 300 people to East and North from colombo. For what? To join LTTE? Your supreme court condemned this act and asked them to be sent back to colombo. I was referring to that.

Again and again i am stressing that i don't agree the way SL army is conducting this war. Do you know how many SL soldiers died in this war? Do you have any independent media reporters available in the war region(i am talking about SL media not foreign), If SL is so called Democracy why Sinhalese writers are fleeing the country.

That is what i was referring and mentioning all along. SL govt is going in a wrong direction. Democracy is logically dead in SL.

[vamsi_poondla]

Tamil problem is true, relevant and has to be solved within the framework of SL Constitution with all moderate SL Tamil parties sitting across the table.

If Tamil issue == LTTE, no Indian would support (and a significant majority of SL Tamils themselves will not support). Every single LTTE member has to be brought to the court if possible or they should perish in the war. However noble their intention was, their means is called Terrorism, which any civil person should oppose. Now don't draw any arguments about Black July or Sinhalese Only policy of 1960s. I know that and that is what is reflected in the paragraph 1 above.

And dont get hyper if you see TN politicians making ruffle. They already proved that they have no brain. Just want your votes and they know how to provoke. Otherwise offensive started long back and with the same arms approved by Indian Cabinet in which many TN parties are members of.

[dealsnet]

Both Tamils and Singalese are our people. They migrated to Lanka about 2-3 thousand years back. Now the fighting is for stamping authority to rule one over the other.
2000 years back most of the south India speaks Tamil/Dravidian language. Malayalam is a new language made from Sanskrit and Tamil.

No one is sure who migrated to Lanka first. Tamils are still in India, so poeple think they migrated and now making a fight with the foreign country. It is wrong. See the links below to see the Singalese miration details.

I am not a Tamil or Singalese. We cannot say Tamils went to Lanka and asking for homeland. The truth is both Tamils and Singalese migrated from India. May be Tamils went to Lanka before the Singalese. LTTE is a terrorist organization, but it gained popularity because of Singalese neglect of Tamils. I don't think the problem can be resolve through military means. The war will change from conventional to gorrilla within this year.
Only political solution can bring peace.
Read these historical facts about the singala migration.
http://www.lankalibrary.com/books/sinhala_history.htm

http://www.sinhaya.com/begining.htm
http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-13173.html

[BharatPremi]

Both Tamils and Singalese are our people. They migrated to Lanka about 2-3 thousand years back. Now the fighting is for stamping authority to rule one over the other.
2000 years back most of the south India speaks Tamil/Dravidian language. Malayalam is a new language made from Sanskrit and Tamil.

No one is sure who migrated to Lanka first. Tamils are still in India, so poeple think they migrated and now making a fight with the foreign country. It is wrong. See the links below to see the Singalese miration details.

We all have heard about great war of Kalinga in Which Samart Ashoka's army killed almost 2 hundred thosand people in a very short span of time. At the time thosands of people fled from Patliputra to current Odissa and many from that lot kept on pushing them till they found their last destination which is Sri Lanka. Decendents of these people today call them Sinhaleese. In the last 2 centuray British colonized Sri Lanka like India and ruled it. British take tamils to sri lanka for labor. Thus the ancestors of present day Sri Lankan's tamils have fairly recently migrated to Sri Lanka.

[venetian]

Your statement completely misleads and not true.

SL Tamils are not immigrants but are the native sons of northern part of the present geographical area known as Sri Lanka. Before Europeans came more than 500 years ago to Sri Lanka, SL Tamils had their own kingdom but when finally British left, they left the Tamils land and fate with the hands of the narrow minded majority, who started to discriminate ingenious Tamils left and right.

Of course as you said, there are Indian Tamils in Sri Lanka who were taken by British to work in the tea plantations. Besides, Muslims in Sri Lanka also speak Tamil but they don’t usually associate racially with Tamils and maintain separate identity

Current issue in Sri Lanka is between native Tamils and Sinhalese. Indian Tamils factor very minimal in this conflict.

Please do some research before putting things in historical puerspective.


We all have heard about great war of Kalinga in Which Samart Ashoka's army killed almost 2 hundred thosand people in a very short span of time. At the time thosands of people fled from Patliputra to current Odissa and many from that lot kept on pushing them till they found their last destination which is Sri Lanka. Decendents of these people today call them Sinhaleese. In the last 2 centuray British colonized Sri Lanka like India and ruled it. British take tamils to sri lanka for labor. Thus the ancestors of present day Sri Lankan's tamils have fairly recently migrated to Sri Lanka.

[BharatPremi]

Your statement completely misleads and not true.

SL Tamils are not immigrants but are the native sons of northern part of the present geographical area known as Sri Lanka. Before Europeans came more than 500 years ago to Sri Lanka, SL Tamils had their own kingdom but when finally British left, they left the Tamils land and fate with the hands of the narrow minded majority, who started to discriminate ingenious Tamils left and right.

Of course as you said, there are Indian Tamils in Sri Lanka who were taken by British to work in the tea plantations. Besides, Muslims in Sri Lanka also speak Tamil but they don’t usually associate racially with Tamils and maintain separate identity

Current issue in Sri Lanka is between native Tamils and Sinhalese. Indian Tamils factor very minimal in this conflict.

Please do some research before putting things in historical puerspective.

You contradict yourself while saying "Your statement completely misleads and not true". I am saying this because you preferred not to comment on "Sinhala" part of my statement. So, should I safely assume that you are in agreement with that part? I agree with you on one thing as in my statement I did not enlist all probable historic migrations of tamils in past for an example during Chola invasion or at the time of Prince Vijaya.. But still I would say there is a truth in my statement as tamils were never been in such a huge proportion of sri lankan population in history. Today's almost 18-20% of tamil population in Sri lanka is due to the large scale migration happened during British time period. And yes if stick to the truthful definition of "native" neither Sinhala nor tamils are the natives of Sri Lanka as both ethenic groups have been migrated from India to Sri Lanka at some point of time in history. And we can not change the definition of "native" in every century. Can we?:)

[panini]

According to the latest news from Sri Lanka:

1) All the Tamil civilians that were held hostage as human shields by the LTTE, have been rescued by the Sri Lankan army and have crossed over to safety.
2) The LTTE have conceded defeat and said it is ready to surrender to a 3rd party.
3)The whereabouts of Prabhakaran is not yet known but there is lots of rumors in the net saying that his body has been found and it is being investigated for DNA proof.
4) The Sri Lankan army is still engaged in clearing out small pockets of LTTE that still remains.
5) The whole island is celebrating with dancing in the streets, fire crackers and distributing Kiri-Bath (Milk Rice) which is cooked for very important occasions. And I wish I was there too !!!! :)

So as you see it is all good!!!

[panini]

Oh Yeah? Says who? You? and made you the boss?

First fix your profile. You can't be heard if your credibility is under question.

[Kodi]

According to the latest news from Sri Lanka:

1) All the Tamil civilians that were held hostage as human shields by the LTTE, have been rescued by the Sri Lankan army and have crossed over to safety.
2) The LTTE have conceded defeat and said it is ready to surrender to a 3rd party.
3)The whereabouts of Prabhakaran is not yet known but there is lots of rumors in the net saying that his body has been found and it is being investigated for DNA proof.
4) The Sri Lankan army is still engaged in clearing out small pockets of LTTE that still remains.
5) The whole island is celebrating with dancing in the streets, fire crackers and distributing Kiri-Bath (Milk Rice) which is cooked for very important occasions. And I wish I was there too !!!! :)

So as you see it is all good!!!

Same here. I wish I was there to join the celebrations.

[panini]

You are partially correct BharatPremi. The Sinhalese migrated to the island long before the time of emeror Ashoka and not from Orissa. According to the written history of Sri Lanka they arrived about 2500 years ago from the region of Bengal (which is refered to as the land of the Vanga people in SL history). The exact kingdom they came from as supposed to be located in present Bangladesh. By the time of Ashoka the Sinhalese had already established their first kingdom with the capital in the ancient city of Anuradhapura. In fact Budhism was first introduced to Sri Lanka by Arahat Mahinda who was the son of emperor Ashoka. By the time he arrived as the head of one of the buddhist missions the emperor Ashoka had sent to the regions around India, he was welcomed by the Sinhalese king Tissa and the whole country embrased Buddhism.

The SL tamils arrived long after that during the Chola empire as invaders. They occupied the country for a while untl the Sinhalese princes were able to drive most of them back to India. The present SL tamils are the people who stayed behind in the northern regions of the island. Since they were in the island for a relatively shorter time they did not evolve a new language like the Sinhalese did. Sinhalese however evolved a new language and ther own unique culture which is still pretty similar to Indian culture.

So the Tamils as well as the Sinhalese has lived in the island for a very long time and has every right to live in the island peacefully. This does not however give the SL Tamil the right to claim one part of the island for their exclusive use.

We all have heard about great war of Kalinga in Which Samart Ashoka's army killed almost 2 hundred thosand people in a very short span of time. At the time thosands of people fled from Patliputra to current Odissa and many from that lot kept on pushing them till they found their last destination which is Sri Lanka. Decendents of these people today call them Sinhaleese. In the last 2 centuray British colonized Sri Lanka like India and ruled it. British take tamils to sri lanka for labor. Thus the ancestors of present day Sri Lankan's tamils have fairly recently migrated to Sri Lanka.

[Bpositive]

Best of luck...sri lankan sinhalese and sri lankan tamils...I hope you can accept each other's perspectives and move away from extreme positions.sri lanka is such a beautiful country. i hope i can visit again and explore the northern areas..here's wishing peace with dignity (not subjugation) for all.

[panini]

The state television of Sri Lanka has confirmed that Prabhakaran has been shot dead while trying to flee the war zone.

And the whole island has been liberated from the LTTE terrorism.

Here is my salute to the brave and heroic Sri Lankan armed forces, our president and the secratery of defence and to my fellow Sri Lankan brothers and sisters!!!! This is it boys!!!! We did it !!!!

[chanduv23]

Best of luck...sri lankan sinhalese and sri lankan tamils...I hope you can accept each other's perspectives and move away from extreme positions.sri lanka is such a beautiful country. i hope i can visit again and explore the northern areas..here's wishing peace with dignity (not subjugation) for all.

If you talk to a Sri Lankan tamil - they are under the impression that Sinhalese people are barbaric and we cannot live with them in peace. If you talk to Sinhalese they say the same.

The thing is - it is difficult to change people's views and opinions. The whole thing about history and religion and discussing what people did thousands of years back and why people are killing now and linking things is just an example of how a human mind is oriented.

We can clap only if two hands join. If one part seeks peace and the other does not - then it is not as easy as we all preach.

Lets take the example of how difficult it is for us to get any legislation passed to help clear our backlogs and resolve our issues. Now, why is it so difficult? It is not because the system is noy good - no one other than US who suffer will agree the system is not working. If you step into the shoes of someone from the other side - you will realise that - things are not easy, especially to deal with Beurocracy.

Will things change? Lets hope for the best - let us atleast do our part by inculcating love and good heartedness in our next generation - let us not tell them - "in history such thing happened thats why I have this opinion and you must also have the same opinion"

[Marphad]

Oh Yeah? Says who? You? and made you the boss?

So you mean to say we have to listen to imposter like you who is roaming around in immigration forum with chargeability as United States? There could be only 2 reasons for this:

1. You want to use fake profile to spread non-sense rumours and un-necessary posts.
2. You are anti-immigrant.

In both cases I want to show you door. Have a nice day buddy. Now please leave.

[illusions]

How has panini's profile in THIS THREAD got anything to do with immigration? this is NOT an immigration related thread. If you should police a person's profile in an immigration related thread no one would object, but this is the wrong thread. And isn't the default changeability the US ? Your accusations are pretty strong and doesn't seem to have any backing; what are the rumors that he has been spreading ? anti immigrant ???

If you should police this site, then ask the Admin's to close non immigration related threads that have a political debate involved.

[Marphad]

How has panini's profile in THIS THREAD got anything to do with immigration? this is NOT an immigration related thread. If you should police a person's profile in an immigration related thread no one would object, but this is the wrong thread. And isn't the default changeability the US ? Your accusations are pretty strong and doesn't seem to have any backing; what are the rumors that he has been spreading ? anti immigrant ???

If you should police this site, then ask the Admin's to close non immigration related threads that have a political debate involved.

Well,

Panini's profile is "WRONG" on this thread too: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=237356&postcount=1

More, It is wrong to put fake data. All I suggested is that it has some impact on his credibility and his reaction was very strong. I agree with his post contents and second them too! Not comfortable with someone roaming around with fake profile - keep in mind profile is the same whether it is immigration or non-immigration related thread.

You tell me the reason you think why Panini put wrong profile data. OK, you don't know, then tell me why you put correct profile information? You will get your answer.

[dealsnet]

It is not good to put fake identity in any forums. The guy (MARPHAD) pointed out have a good civic sense. Here admins are not paid. They have jobs, and not always watching people. This site is for every one. So the members have an obligation to find out the fake, anti immigrants. He may not be anti immigrant, but he have fake identity. So if you not correct, and going in wrong path, some one may point out to you. Do not expect you need or only obey a Police to get a direction. Grow up guys.

How has panini's profile in THIS THREAD got anything to do with immigration? this is NOT an immigration related thread. If you should police a person's profile in an immigration related thread no one would object, but this is the wrong thread. And isn't the default changeability the US ? Your accusations are pretty strong and doesn't seem to have any backing; what are the rumors that he has been spreading ? anti immigrant ???

If you should police this site, then ask the Admin's to close non immigration related threads that have a political debate involved.

[illusions]

Well,

Panini's profile is "WRONG" on this thread too: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=237356&postcount=1

More, It is wrong to put fake data. All I suggested is that it has some impact on his credibility and his reaction was very strong. I agree with his post contents and second them too! Not comfortable with someone roaming around with fake profile - keep in mind profile is the same whether it is immigration or non-immigration related thread.

You tell me the reason you think why Panini put wrong profile data. OK, you don't know, then tell me why you put correct profile information? You will get your answer.

Marphad, i didn't say that it's wrong or right, you implied he is anti immigrant, spreading rumors and writing un-necessary posts, i just failed to see how you concluded all that just by looking at his profile ? And point taken after you replied.

And isn't the content in his profile all default content (correct me if i'm wrong) when the tracker was introduced, even i had a changeability as US. And i'm not trying to defend him, but you seem to assume it's fake. And the way i see it, it is incomplete.

If one has a fake profile do you really think he will make it so obvious ? it would resemble more accurate data than the most obvious.

And i do know the profile carries on to a on-related immi thread, no doubts there, except it only makes sense looking and analyzing it when related to an immi issue, unless you are looking for something else.

[Marphad]

Marphad, i didn't say that it's wrong or right, you implied he is anti immigrant, spreading rumors and writing un-necessary posts, i just failed to see how you concluded all that just by looking at his profile ? And point taken after you replied.

And isn't the content in his profile all default content (correct me if i'm wrong) when the tracker was introduced, even i had a changeability as US. And i'm not trying to defend him, but you seem to assume it's fake. And the way i see it, it is incomplete.

If one has a fake profile do you really think he will make it so obvious ? it would resemble more accurate data than the most obvious.

And i do know the profile carries on to a on-related immi thread, no doubts there, except it only makes sense looking and analyzing it when related to an immi issue, unless you are looking for something else.

I didn't say it is fake in my first post. I just pointed out that guy that profile has some wrong content that may impact his credibility. His answer was rude and made me upset.

No hard feelings for anyone buddy, we are all going through more or less the same pain.

[dealsnet]

I think conventional war was ended. But the mistrust is still there. New organization and another set of gurilla warfare will be start very soon. Many LTTE still in Sri Lanka. They may regroup after some time. The refuge camp will be breading ground. If need peace, settle these refugees to good housing, education and jobs. If Sri Lanka thinks the war is over with LTTE, and rule with same manner like before, no peace at sight. May be the unrest will be not in the north, may be in south.
For long lasting peace, cosider all minority with equal rights, like in India. Minority get more rights, because of vote bank.

The state television of Sri Lanka has confirmed that Prabhakaran has been shot dead while trying to flee the war zone.

And the whole island has been liberated from the LTTE terrorism.

Here is my salute to the brave and heroic Sri Lankan armed forces, our president and the secratery of defence and to my fellow Sri Lankan brothers and sisters!!!! This is it boys!!!! We did it !!!!

[Marphad]

I think conventional war was ended. But the mistrust is still there. New organization and another set of gurilla warfare will be start very soon. Many LTTE still in Sri Lanka. They may regroup after some time. The refuge camp will be breading ground. If need peace, settle these refugees to good housing, education and jobs. If Sri Lanka thinks the war is over with LTTE, and rule with same manner like before, no peace at sight. May be the unrest will be not in the north, may be in south.
For long lasting peace, cosider all minority with equal rights, like in India. Minority get more rights, because of vote bank.

I think SL government will emphasize on providing jobs etc to tamilians to resolve the issue in right way. They won the war part 1 now most critical is part 2...

[simple1]

To me: sinhalas and tamils look very similar.
This guy even goes further and says they are one and the same.

http://www.geocities.com/nallathambi_thevar/TamilSangam_Mauryas.htm

The present day Sinhala-Tamil conflict though originally a conflict between followers of Hinduism and the neo converts to Buddhism had morphed into a conflict between casteist Tamil Hindus and Tamil followers of ‘Organized Buddhism’ to a conflict between Tamils and Sinhala with the converted Buddhist shifting there allegiance to Pali/Sinhala.Organized Buddhism succeeded in separating Elangai from Tamilakam with its own language of Pali/Sinhala.

[krish2005]

To me: sinhalas and tamils look very similar.
This guy even goes further and says they are one and the same.

http://www.geocities.com/nallathambi_thevar/TamilSangam_Mauryas.htm

The present day Sinhala-Tamil conflict though originally a conflict between followers of Hinduism and the neo converts to Buddhism had morphed into a conflict between casteist Tamil Hindus and Tamil followers of ‘Organized Buddhism’ to a conflict between Tamils and Sinhala with the converted Buddhist shifting there allegiance to Pali/Sinhala.Organized Buddhism succeeded in separating Elangai from Tamilakam with its own language of Pali/Sinhala.

If we are trying to quote facts here then myths also come into play. Remember the ramayana when ravana was ruling srilanka. Who were those in Srilanka at that time ? Were they tamils ? No. If that can be accepted true then natives of srilanka should not be tamils. We dont know that time of ramayana tamils were a clan that even existed. But tamil is a age old language so tamils were one of the earliest clan too.

Only way a co-existence could be established is by the world exerting pressure on lanka to
treat tamils as brothers. If tamils existing there are citizens (granted by lanka), then why the inequality in rights. These armed groups only spring into existence because of suppression or power greed. Earlier times it was suppression, later it became power greed which killed the cause. Peaceful protests are always watched and will be supported by world. With technology in hand, (post LTTE) tamils could show to the world that they have a peaceful fight at hand.

[panini]

Illusions, Thanks Bro!!

Marphad, I have posted less than 20 posts in this forum and I have never posted anything anti-immigrant. The most number of posts I have ever posted was in this thread.

And that was because I saw some people posting misleading information about the Sri Lankan war and I wanted everyone to see at least what I consider to be the real situation. I can't help it if people have trouble listening to different opinions and different sides of the story but this is a public forum and I have the freedom to post what I feel as long as I don't cross the line.

In any case, I am too happy today to be wasting my time on petty stuff like these.

Hasta la vista Baby!!!! :D

Marphad, i didn't say that it's wrong or right, you implied he is anti immigrant, spreading rumors and writing un-necessary posts, i just failed to see how you concluded all that just by looking at his profile ? And point taken after you replied.

And isn't the content in his profile all default content (correct me if i'm wrong) when the tracker was introduced, even i had a changeability as US. And i'm not trying to defend him, but you seem to assume it's fake. And the way i see it, it is incomplete.

If one has a fake profile do you really think he will make it so obvious ? it would resemble more accurate data than the most obvious.

And i do know the profile carries on to a on-related immi thread, no doubts there, except it only makes sense looking and analyzing it when related to an immi issue, unless you are looking for something else.

[simple1]

krish2005,

Please don’t mix up LTTE and Tamils.

The question is simple. Are tamils and sinhalese genetically the same? to me they look very similar.
If Yes, why
- sinhalese were violent against tamils in 20th century
- tamils want to secede based on language, religion and social-culture ?
If No, give supporting evidence that they are not.

Clearly Both groups are not natives (except veddhas all seem to have immigrated at some point).

Is it all petty politics, external-profiteers and power mongers in play ?

external-profiteers: I heard a small city state indirectly benefited in SL’s 80’s from the civilwar was afraid Colombo will complete with them.

If we are trying to quote facts here then myths also come into play.

[venetian]

LTTE is almost obliterated. Hope, from now on people will not be crude to mask the SL Tamil issue relating with the LTTE.

Whether LTTE is a freedom movement or a terrorist organization, they were the saviors of the SL Tamils, now SL govt has got the free hand to annihilate entire Tamils from Sri Lanka. I don't think even god can save SL Tamils from tyranny and potential modern day holocaust.

How long can any organization survive without the support or backing from any major country? and for the LTTE, it is even worse as there is no land border to escape and fighting an enemy with the ratio of more than 1:20 and who got unlimited supply of arms. Of course LTTE dig their own grave with their attitude, actions and misunderstanding of geo political reality.

I hope and wish that some sanity prevails among the Sinhalese public.

[Marphad]

Illusions, Thanks Bro!!

Marphad, I have posted less than 20 posts in this forum and I have never posted anything anti-immigrant. The most number of posts I have ever posted was in this thread.

And that was because I saw some people posting misleading information about the Sri Lankan war and I wanted everyone to see at least what I consider to be the real situation. I can't help it if people have trouble listening to different opinions and different sides of the story but this is a public forum and I have the freedom to post what I feel as long as I don't cross the line.

In any case, I am too happy today to be wasting my time on petty stuff like these.

Hasta la vista Baby!!!! :D

Would you consider updating your profile please!

[BharatPremi]

http://books.google.com/books?id=i4b6xmZI_XoC&dq=would+India+help+Sri+lanka+tamils&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=plUTSsCPFoS08ASj_LCIBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=13#PPA34,M1

[return_to_india]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India-set-to-counter-Chinas-influence-in-Lanka/articleshow/4553638.cms