get a life............

[nitinboston]

This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing :)

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

[PresidentO]

Because your title and your message are at odds with each other.

Did you just get out a meeting where the shouting match involved getting a life?

Mr Elite, Now by 2010 please move to the north of border and dont hang in here.

Troll Alert!!!

[kshitijnt]

USA has a right to choose who they give green card to but not fool Indian people by swinging visa bulletin by 4 years every now and then. Not by discriminating. There should be some transparency to the process and law should be followed. If USA makes a law that Indians wont get GC in EB, I am happy to note. Can they remove their gloves?

[deba]

Well said!

[WaitingUnlimited]

First of all...Welcome to Immigration Voice.

Nitin, how do you think that people who are here in this forum does not know about the other options available? Where in this world you get as many opportunities as you get in USA? Where can you get the flexible life like here?

How many IT jobs are there in Canada (assuming most of the members in IV are into IT)? Canada Alberta program increased processing times to 8 months now and it excludes federal processing times. Federal application method takes more than one and half years.

So its good that you have chosen an alternative and worked out well, but your alternative many not be an alternative or not even option to all!!!

[deepakjain]

I being in US has more self esteem attached to it rather then anything else.

Please do not speak about forgery and unfair means of getting H1B and even applying for GC.

If the GC is to be given based on proper expertise, experience, qualification, experience letters, working knowledge then close to 50% of those crying foul can be sent back home without any issue by US authorities.

USCIS should look at all EB applications on Indian nationals, setup interview and one on one meeting do spot verification...doing this will speed up everything....:D...

[old_hat]

This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing :)

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

People of every country have the right to get whoever they want. The only question is are those rules clear and also are the decisions being made for the correct reasons. If they announce that they do not want to give GCs to anyone people will make up their minds if they want to go now or whenever there visa expires based on their personal situation.

[nitinboston]

I didn't meant to hurt feelings here. and i know how Canada is less opportunity for IT folks. but just couple more points.

1) if number of jobs was criterion, India has far higher number of jobs in IT then US, so people should be rushing bk to India which is not the case. I don't think number of Jobs available in US is why people wanna live here. Even if it takes year or a little more, at least Canadians are transparent about the process.

2) I know everyone here is well read and well educated. Read up about AUS, NZ, Canada and few other countries which have point bases system, they are not under developed or backward in any way. Wikipedia might help.

And please read carefully, my wife is on another beauty of a status called H4B, i mentioned clearly i know how easily people got their H1B's through consultants.

[old_hat]

Sorry nitin my bad. I did not read it correctly. My mistake. I will edit my earlier post.

[Raji]

Very wise of you Nitin. I doubt that anyone in this forum disagrees with what you have said.

But I also believe that IV members are here to address some issues confronting them re the GC processing. I would focus on things that need doing - the core agenda - not on fraud committed by some handful of persons, and who has got his/her spouse a job where. These are not issues that concern us - there are enough crabs in the anti-basket to bring legal immigrants down - its a stunning revelation that USCIS can at random hike fees, lengthen process, and leave legal immigrants in a limbo for years on end. Indeed the system is so incoherent that to this day they are unable to give us a reply on waiting times and our place in the line. I prsonally have yet to see such an ill-defined and poorly organized immigration system anytwhere in the world. Every nation - be it Canada, Australia, NZ, or UK have a clear outline and timeline as to fees, waiting periods, rights and responsbilities of people in the line to immigrate - be it for PR or citizenship. And this is the very least we too can expect of the US immigration system. A big push is needed for immigration reform for legal immigrants. And we are not likely to get anywhere if our focus will be on issues that are raised in anti-immigration forums. This is not to say these issues do not exist - the point I am trying to make is that they are NOT OUR issues.

We only need to focus on the positive. The contributions of the genuine, law-abiding majority of legal H1B who come from many nations across the world and get stuck for years on an artificially created queue. The fact that we have come here on an H1 B visa which by law allowed us to file for a GC. The issue @ hand is waiting time, and associated concerns, an attempt to end retrogression, remove per country limits or at least align them with H!B intake numbers, and recapture of visa numbers. Many of us have lived here 7+ years, have put down some roots, and would like to see some positive end to this frustraing wait. We also need to Q the DHS and CIS process why we are indefinately funding the CIS and seeing no result to our cases. No one likes their life to be held up and that is why we need to get together to end this unfair wait.

To Core: I would argue that the issues that need to be fixed re GC for legal EB immigrants are issues of PROCESS not POLICY. Yes, these issues are often rolled into a bundle and presented as policy - I would argue that they need to be DELINKED from CIR and such like that focus on policy based issues regarding illegal immigrants. This nation already has a policy to allow people to immigrate legally - the problems are in the proces of executing that policy. That and that alone needs to be our focus.

Regards,
Raji

[nitinboston]

Folks don't get me wrong, i understand what you guys are going through. my family and close friends are in same limbo. and if any of you has spouse on H4 you will surely know the wonderful status it is to be in. All i am saying is, if there is too much demand for something, there will be a price attached to it. A British can get US gc faster then a Indian cause there are not that many british who wanna come here. and Since USCIS knows we are almost on our knees, they treat us like dirt. Once the demand goes down and more and more Indians will start to look else where, they will start treating us with respect too. Case in pint china, track its history with USCIS, Chinese no longer flock to US, in fact its US who now depends on Chinese money and all and treats its citizens with respect.

[bikram_das_in]

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

If you bring in a worker with a path to citizenship and make the laws so ambiguous that even after 10 years he/she does not know when to reach the destination in that path is a violation of basic human rights.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

The choice kind of goes back and forth. Getting H1b - yes You can work...Delaying/Rejecting GC...No can't work. It may be rejected without even the fault of the individual. Path to citizenship is an eyewash...there is not path to citizenship for a foreign worker at individual level.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian ....

Punish the guilty and do not stereotype. USCIS report says only 20% of H1b is bad.

5) We all have best back up....Saare Jahan Se Achha....



This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing :)

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

[joydiptac]

Nitin,

US archaic GC rules just lost a potential great immigrant to Canada.

And I agree that everyone should have a life. I suppose they have one too. They have the right to have their own opinion. Guess what? It might be that they like to hang around other Desis in the same boat that may be the reason why they come here. :D

BTW, Congratulations for your Candian PR.

n'

Joy

P.S> This immigration thing is like betting on a stock. Question is do you buy "puts" to insure your long position or not? For all you know Canda might turn out to be top dog in another decade. They have the resources, the land and a bunchof good people.

[piyu7444]

This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing :)

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

Nitin

USCIS has a format which needs to be followed to get a GC. We all know that how much they follow the format/procedure and how much they screw people from India/China (mostly Indians)

There is no set goal to be just in a WESTERN Country but there is an option to be in US (or for argument UK AUS etc) but that is an option. No one forces us to be here or to be anywhere.........Arn't we here by choice?

I am now sick of hearing about the fraud on h1b. If 20 people out of 100 are like bad apples does that gives USCIS the right to screw people from that country for GC. What is the relationship here? Why all Indians have to suffer due to some pathetic people? Why do we GENERALISE such things?

Not defending any of those people but if someone KNOWS S/W testing and that person is skilled in it why cant that person work? Just the damn degree does not gives anything, one needs real work knowledge.

Could write more but I guess I m done with this post....

[snathan]

This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing :)

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

I would have taken it seriouly if you didnt spend six years in the US and did not run away to the Canada. Atleast if you gone back to india, it makes much more sense.

[pappu]

Please update your profile with correct dates or have no dates.

[sidbee]

Very well said.

I totally agree with you.

I really hate those people , who get fraudulent H1B's and GC's through Fraud Desi Consultants. I really wish USCIS to investigate approved GC Cases and deny them , if found a fraud.

This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing :)

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

[cagedcactus]

USA has a right to choose who they give green card to but not fool Indian people by swinging visa bulletin by 4 years every now and then. Not by discriminating. There should be some transparency to the process and law should be followed. If USA makes a law that Indians wont get GC in EB, I am happy to note. Can they remove their gloves?

I agree at fullest. Standing in line is one thing, and watching like a fool while others jump ahead of you is another. What is more disturbing is the law allowing this jumping process, and doing nothing about it.
Mr. seen it all who started this thread hasnt seen much, or he/she would be different on the opinion of getting a life.

[ganguteli]

This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing :)

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

You get a life you coward.
You posted junk and did not do anything on IV in the last 1 year. Now suddenly when your dates are not available you come here to teach others to get a life.

Why don't you get a life and go back to India and get a life there. If you are happy in Canada, then be happy there. Do not teach us. For all of us you are simply a coward who ran away from problems rather than face and fight it. And why do you care about Fraud etc.. if you are in Canada driving Taxi!!!!!

You seem to be an anti-immigrant to me. We have seen many in the last few days and they were rightfully kicked out.

[dallasdude]

This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing :)

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

I'm proud of you. Very well said indeed. Just ignore the haters.

[chanduv23]

My dear friend,
Congrats on your Canadian PR. I am sure, you will definitely do good there. I also agree with you that we are all here caught and dealing with this mess. Some of my friends moved to Canada because they could not deal with this immigration mess - they struggled initially but now well settled, have their own businesses, do a lot of things, have a big community, enjoy their weekends and really doing excellent in their life. So for you - when you go to Canada - things will definitely work out.
Now coming back to global migration and countries where people go - your view is very narrow and centric about Indian companies doing consultancy work. Global migration is common, every country has its policy on these things and we must be glad that in today's world we do have a choice.
For a lot of Tamils in Sri Lanka - migration has been the best optionn to survive. To people from different countries migration has been a boon.
For America in particular - Skilled immigration has been a very important part of immigration to keep the country competitive and make it the best nations in the world. Mathematicians, professors, researchers, teachers, cooks, doctors, nurses, therapists, engineers .... I can go on, Tell me what not - everyone come to America in their own channel - a process that has been created and being followed. Now, the big issue is about retrogression and how it is diffficult for imigrants - this is a known issue, but unfortunately the law was written long back and does not seem to fit well for today's world.
If people got their Green Cards through consuting companies, they did follow law - so lets not blame them. If you think it is unfair, you must work towards conveying your cause.
The good thing about organizations like IV is that it provides platform where people can voice their opinions and work towards a change - so there is no need to discourage people.
Good luck.

[jthomas]

I agree with nitinboston, Forget the haters.

We have to do something.If things work much better than waiting for GC just head over there. There are tremendous oppurinities available. US GC is not the perfect thing to get in life. People like Dhuribhai Ambani, Tata etc... did not work for their American GC. Keep your eyes open and keep on researching with different options.
Regarding IT, I don't think IT guys can only work on IT. you can study something new, change your field and be someone everybody would respect. Some of them in IV have stuidied in IITs, have double master degrees from US and waiting in a que. Start a business, have some goals rather than predicting about visa bulletin.
Majority of you are from India. In India you can hire engineers at a very low salary. I have employees working for me in India for Rs3.5K a month(non-tech) and Graduate enginers working for a salary of 5K/ month. If some of us can outsource jobs in India we would be millionaires within few years.
We are highly skilled immigrants, Can't we make a group and do conusltancy. The consultancy charges for a hour is $570/- in intoto.com where the actual engineer gets $120/- per hour.
Who would care about anti-immigrants, PD dates, etc.. if we can be someone would be like Dhuribhai Ambani. or at least 10%. In fact we are in a better shape than him when he started a business.

I totally agree with NitinBoston.

[nitinboston]

I am thankful to everyone who read or responded even if you don't agree. Taking it a step furthur there are couple of things that stand out which i think again show how we twist every fact to our advantage.

1) US need immigration to grow and prosper. wel agreed, but who are we to preach. Its for American to figure it out. We don't care for our mother land i:e India but we are first to point out how US will be worse off if it stops immigration. I really doubt the intention here. You know, we care more bout US then India and once we get our GC we probably wont care much bout US either.

2) Saying its a fight for rights and if we don't fight we are cowards. well i agree we are all cowards not because we are not fighting to bring forward all mighty priority dates but because we showed our backs to our own country. We went to public funded IIT and other institutions and then ran away from our nation at first chance. So yes, in a way we are all cowards here.

3) USCIS should be fair to India. If you look closely, USCIS rules are not country specific. Quota applies to every country, but only India, Mexico and china exhaust theirs. Does tell u something doesn't it.

[PresidentO]

I am thankful to everyone who read or responded even if you don't agree. Taking it a step furthur there are couple of things that stand out which i think again show how we twist every fact to our advantage.

1) US need immigration to grow and prosper. wel agreed, but who are we to preach. Its for American to figure it out. We don't care for our mother land i:e India but we are first to point out how US will be worse off if it stops immigration. I really doubt the intention here. You know, we care more bout US then India and once we get our GC we probably wont care much bout US either.

>> You coward. This is a democracy and the constitution of US allows any one on the land of the United states to speak up and make their case with the US government. You dont need to be a citizen. You and your typical boot licking mentality. Not all of us are selfish maggots as you are and think only about ourselves. We do care about the US. Just dont think that every one is exactly like you in his/her attitude towards US. Preferences are different from caring. Just because one has chosen to immigrate to a different country does not mean that the person does not care for his/her motherland. By your logic, the laloo prasad', Gandhi's, Advani/Modi/Naidu etc all do care for India. LMAO. Will you please shut the f up? <<

2) Saying its a fight for rights and if we don't fight we are cowards. well i agree we are all cowards not because we are not fighting to bring forward all mighty priority dates but because we showed our backs to our own country. We went to public funded IIT and other institutions and then ran away from our nation at first chance. So yes, in a way we are all cowards here.

>> Ok Mr IIT, Stop generalizing again. There are people who paid different kinds of amounts as tuition fee to get a degree. Last time I checked IIT's accept a paltry 3000 students together. Definitely not 300,000. Again, just because you chose to immigrate does not mean that you have showed your back to your own country. If you consider so, please turn the back again and go home. This is a place for individuals who want to immigrate to the US. Not for scums who want to dilute and defeat the whole purpose. You are entitled to your opinions. If you want to take the masses back home, go do it on your turf. <<


3) USCIS should be fair to India. If you look closely, USCIS rules are not country specific. Quota applies to every country, but only India, Mexico and china exhaust theirs. Does tell u something doesn't it.

>> Thank you for showing your two feet in your mouth. Those are not USCIS rules Mr Ignorant. Those are the rules set by the US Congress as a part of the INA act. Your logic of speaking for country caps only shows that you have no idea of the head/tail of the country caps system. Lets apply the country caps on F1/H1B as well and take your sorry a$$ to where it came from <<



Finally, Thank you for your smart and intelligent attempt to dilute the members' focus. First you start off by saying that we have no allegiance to our home land and finally you deduce that country caps are OK.

Inference: You are some psycho who is concerned that the glass ceiling of country caps in employment based system will be shattered sooner or later.

[sidbee]

You get a life you coward.
You posted junk and did not do anything on IV in the last 1 year. Now suddenly when your dates are not available you come here to teach others to get a life.

Why don't you get a life and go back to India and get a life there. If you are happy in Canada, then be happy there. Do not teach us. For all of us you are simply a coward who ran away from problems rather than face and fight it. And why do you care about Fraud etc.. if you are in Canada driving Taxi!!!!!

You seem to be an anti-immigrant to me. We have seen many in the last few days and they were rightfully kicked out.

Are u a crazy ??? He is not teaching you (Looks like you need some teaching anyway)
Just a question , how are you fighting the immigration war.. (You fight a war , and solve a problem)
Anyone has the right to express his opinion. You start calling people coward..

If you have nothing in India to cherish for, Doesn't mean that other people dont have it either?

[PresidentO]

Are u a crazy ??? He is not teaching you (Looks like you need some teaching anyway)
Just a question , how are you fighting the immigration war.. (You fight a war , and solve a problem)
Anyone has the right to express his opinion. You start calling people coward..

If you have nothing in India to cherish for, Doesn't mean that other people dont have it either?

sidbee,

I am afraid you are being naive here. What the OP is saying is

(1) We should all go back to our home land, because he has some opinions and positions on what is considered turning back to home land. You might not see it but he is trying to shape opinion of others very intelligently. Who says this? Some one who does not want competition here. Well, if this was coming from some one who is in India I will give him props. He is in US for 10 years and he is saying US GC system sucks and I will go to canada in 2 years. Damn it! I am better than him because I will go to India and not canada. I will stop short of saying that every one should go back to India or his/her homeland.

(2) We all have no right to talk because this is not our country. or We are not in our country and we should not talk. Who says this? Again folks who dont want people here.

(3) Even if I give him the benefit of doubt on other issues, he thinks country caps are OK. Any one who argues for country caps in EB GC with out asking for a country caps in F1/H1B which server as conduit to H1B actually wants the disadvantage to lot of people to his advantage.

Just dont read the words as it is. try to infer some thing. These days trolls have got too much brains.

[tulips]

I think he is right..he is not preaching but just giving different perspective to it. Why do you want to be so desperate to be somewhere where you have to struggle so much just to maintain status. You cant buy a house..always worrying about your status..its not fun!
Why are you being so hard to someone who is just telling you facts ..just because you are not ready to accept the reality?

[nitinboston]

I know some here just cant hear/consider another point of view, but by calling me names and being so upset, they only convince me further. GC pursuit has taken over lives of some. I so wish one had better pursuits in life.
And bout calls for kicking me out, this section for analysis/discussion. If you want to throw everyone out whom you dont agree with, rename it to 'agree with me' section.

[sidbee]

sidbee,

I am afraid you are being naive here. What the OP is saying is

(1) We should all go back to our home land, because he has some opinions and positions on what is considered turning back to home land. You might not see it but he is trying to shape opinion of others very intelligently. Who says this? Some one who does not want competition here. Well, if this was coming from some one who is in India I will give him props. He is in US for 10 years and he is saying US GC system sucks and I will go to canada in 2 years. Damn it! I am better than him because I will go to India and not canada. I will stop short of saying that every one should go back to India or his/her homeland.

(2) We all have no right to talk because this is not our country. or We are not in our country and we should not talk. Who says this? Again folks who dont want people here.

(3) Even if I give him the benefit of doubt on other issues, he thinks country caps are OK. Any one who argues for country caps in EB GC with out asking for a country caps in F1/H1B which server as conduit to H1B actually wants the disadvantage to lot of people to his advantage.

Just dont read the words as it is. try to infer some thing. These days trolls have got too much brains.

Mr President :-)

I agree with you on some aspects , I just didn't like the way ganguteli got flared up.
I believe , nitin has the right to voice his opinion (many people would agree with him, many would disagree). But there is no need to fight like illiterate people. If someone doesn't agree , he should say i don't agree, and this is what i believe in.

I like US very much , i am here for around 5 years , and i believe the GC system really sucks (don't you ?)But i have some commitments in India , and if i don't get a GC in 1-2 years i will go back. All my college batch mates in India are managers now , and i am still a developer. I cant take a better job , because i don't have a GC, and with EB3 India, by the time i will get a GC, i would be about to retire :-)

So everyone would have a different perspective, and different opinions.

[nitinboston]

bringing bk the discussion to more serious point. We can all agree that on the surface immigration system here is seems unfair towards Indian, Chinese and Mexicans. Whats the reason behind it? why only three countries which suffers from long waits. Its demand and supply. If there were no country caps, all the visa's will be absorbed by these three countries. Even though it has cost me time and money, i think its the right policy. for a moment imagine there was no country limit, can you imagine for few years to come immigration will be from only these three countries. i think its only fair to limit how many people can come from one specific country.
and one more point, we are never going to get treated with respect and equality, just get used to it. every American knows we left our country to come to his. he is always gonna look down upon us. Immigrants are never treated with love, respect and dignity, no matter which country they go to. Case in point, Bangladeshi and Nepali migrant workers in India. We treat them like dirt back home, so discrimination against immigrants is part of immigration process. hopefully our ABCD offspring's will face less of it :)

[dallasdude]

bringing bk the discussion to more serious point. We can all agree that on the surface immigration system here is seems unfair towards Indian, Chinese and Mexicans. Whats the reason behind it? why only three countries which suffers from long waits. Its demand and supply. If there were no country caps, all the visa's will be absorbed by these three countries. Even though it has cost me time and money, i think its the right policy. for a moment imagine there was no country limit, can you imagine for few years to come immigration will be from only these three countries. i think its only fair to limit how many people can come from one specific country.
and one more point, we are never going to get treated with respect and equality, just get used to it. every American knows we left our country to come to his. he is always gonna look down upon us. Immigrants are never treated with love, respect and dignity, no matter which country they go to. Case in point, Bangladeshi and Nepali migrant workers in India. We treat them like dirt back home, so discrimination against immigrants is part of immigration process. hopefully our ABCD offspring's will face less of it :)

Big Ups for voicing your opinion. nitinboston for president!!

[qasleuth]

Finally, Thank you for your smart and intelligent attempt to dilute the members' focus. First you start off by saying that we have no allegiance to our home land and finally you deduce that country caps are OK.

Inference: You are some psycho who is concerned that the glass ceiling of country caps in employment based system will be shattered sooner or later.


I strongly disagree. He is no psycho, just a juvenile displaying 4th grade logic to exhort the masses. Comes back and 'moderates' his thread by 'channeling', thanking and asking for more brilliant ideas.
nitinboston, do not brush this off as some kind of personal attack and you have bigger fish to fry...I urge you to read and reflect.



This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.


Comes as a surprise to your fellow elementary schoolers ? Who are you to generalize ? That is what your immediate buddies or people YOU associate may be thinking.


Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.
2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.


Thanks for the breaking news !



4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing


Does your friend or his wife know what kind of a backstabbing 'best and brightest' you are ? Just because your so called friend's wife got a job cheating (if I take your word for it), it does not give you the right to brush the whole category with the same color. Who are you trying to impress by pissing on everybody ?



5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.
Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.


Again, thanks for the breaking news and brilliant suggestions. First off, stop generalizing and look beyond your pathetic 'immediate circle'. AND here is some breaking news for you: You have not seen it all, as I can clearly see by the quality of your arguments. Don't come onto a forum, hide behind the curtain of anonymity and shoot your mouth off giving 'plain' 'straight from your heart' BS.

[ganguteli]

Guys stop giving respect to this low life Nitinboston. He is an anti-immigrant hiding on our site for past one year reading all posts and reporting to his bosses. Now suddenly his rat fraternity boss asked him to do go the Lion's den and Roar. But he could not and his rats behind got nailed by PresidentO and QAslueth etc.

[PavanV]

Great Dude,

Kudos for voicing your opinion !, its upto every individual to choice his/her path, currently their is sheep herding mentality going on (you know what i mean ;)

I have been in this country since 2000, no GC yet, as a matter of fact if my company does not apply for labour in a couple of months , i am sure to go home, my company has said it would apply, but is taking forever. In hindsight, i feel i should have never left India, i have lost on my career development, lost some of my dignity, and feel that i am treated as a 2nd class citizen.

I have decided the GC is for a chosen few ;), not for everybody, I guess i am a coward (whatever that means ?), I prefer to exhuast my H1 and go back Home with some dignity and self respect. It's like this, US is like a mansion (or rather appears to be) , i asked the owner if i could get in, he said OK, i asked the owner if i can stay longer and be here (GC), the owner said he would think about it, now the owner 'OWN's' me, since i have stayed in the mansion for quite long, I am used to the comforts, and not sure if i want to leave or fight the slave trader. I for one, refuse to be labelled, bonded, and treated as 2nd class citizen. I am off to my birth country, and for me its the greatest country, ever on the face of the earth, and i really feel sorry for abandoning it.

[qasleuth]

and one more point, we are never going to get treated with respect and equality, just get used to it. every American knows we left our country to come to his. he is always gonna look down upon us. Immigrants are never treated with love, respect and dignity, no matter which country they go to. Case in point, Bangladeshi and Nepali migrant workers in India. We treat them like dirt back home, so discrimination against immigrants is part of immigration process. hopefully our ABCD offspring's will face less of it


Excuse me ?? Why did you leave your country and come here ? Your motivations maybe totally different than mine, so don't assume they are the same. For the reason I came over here, why would any 'American' treat me like dirt ? Many countries in Asia are not lands of the immigrant like USA. So your anology of treating migrant workers like 'dirt' to folks over here the same way is totally wrong. Please for heaven sake do some reading before you open your mouth again...you are talking nonsense man....people who are encouraging you are perhaps doing it to see you make a bigger fool of yourself...get off the forums do some reading.

[PresidentO]

bringing bk the discussion to more serious point. We can all agree that on the surface immigration system here is seems unfair towards Indian, Chinese and Mexicans. Whats the reason behind it? why only three countries which suffers from long waits. Its demand and supply. If there were no country caps, all the visa's will be absorbed by these three countries. Even though it has cost me time and money, i think its the right policy. for a moment imagine there was no country limit, can you imagine for few years to come immigration will be from only these three countries. i think its only fair to limit how many people can come from one specific country.
and one more point, we are never going to get treated with respect and equality, just get used to it. every American knows we left our country to come to his. he is always gonna look down upon us. Immigrants are never treated with love, respect and dignity, no matter which country they go to. Case in point, Bangladeshi and Nepali migrant workers in India. We treat them like dirt back home, so discrimination against immigrants is part of immigration process. hopefully our ABCD offspring's will face less of it :)

Ehh! Perspective. Do you think you can make a case for that?

You asked all of those who are making their case with the US Congress or doing some sort of advocacy to get a life. In other words, in one single sentence, your perspective is that all of us who are working towards improving the system do not have a life. Wow! Did I start off by saying that you dont have a life because you chose to go canada and not India after 6 years of stint in US? NO!. Saying "Get a life" or other catchy phrases is easy. F Y I, hear your ears blared" WE DO HAVE A LIFE". We heard your perspective. Now this is not your evangelizing ground for your perspectives. Damn it! Aren't IV's objectives clear? What harm has IV's objectives caused you? You dont believe them fine. Do what ever you want.

You chose to go to canada because US GC system sucks and you are saying that we are all hypocrites. Got some sense? What are you trying to say? We should all follow your lead and go back to where we came from while you preach one thing and do the quite opposite. Still be a turn coat to your home land and be a boot licker (your own idea of immigrant's not mine ) to canada. Perspective ehh?

You argue that immigrants are treated like dirt. I tell you what, look at the president of United States and say that one more time. As a kid born here out of the main land and raised in the most populous islamic country in the world, he went on to become the president of united states. You are one of those who do not want to become the change you want to see. you just want others and system to change and you will take that change. Go figure Mr Slime. Oh B T W there is no one such as American, except for the native american. You showed your 10 fingers in your mouth with your basic lack of understanding about the country and how it formed.

>>> If there were no country caps, all the visa's will be absorbed by these three countries. Even though it has cost me time and money, i think its the right policy. y. for a moment imagine there was no country limit, can you imagine for few years to come immigration will be from only these three countries. i think its only fair to limit how many people can come from one specific country. <<<

you argue that three countries will dominate immigration. how ever you dont point out the fact or cleverly ignore that all these people were not limited by the system through which they enter but limited by the system only after they enter. Hey we, those from those three countries, are already here. lets implement the country caps through out the high skilled immigration or get rid of them. Enough of your disguise as some one who is logically and rationally for country caps. There is no rationale or logic what so ever in your argument. Perspective. Ehhh! forget that word.

[ilikekilo]

LOL.. nitin...whoever yo uare... you are a piece of work..I feel sorry for you..

[poorslumdog]

LOL.. nitin...whoever yo uare... you are a piece of work..I feel sorry for you..

May be peice of art work...:D

He is moving/moved to Canada and preaching us to go back to India. What kind of loser..:cool:

[nitinboston]

looking at the sarcastic, venomous and abusive responses, make me wonder why some people are so insecure and touchy. Why is there a my way or the highway mentality. Or may be some are happy living in illusion and don't wanna be shown some reality. couple of points

1) again none of us will be treated same as American. Some of you mention BO as role model, remember his mom was American and he was born in Hawaii. had he been born in Merrut, you wont have been talking bout him.

2) I got canadian PR not because i want to move there or anything. I got it cause its a good backup. If things dont go right in India, i can always come back for few more years. But this time it will be Canada. And before you guys start crying again, Canada has no problem with someone keeping a PR as long as he spends 2 out of 5 years in Canada.

Again, just the sheer number of people from India, China and Mexico running after PR ensures there is a long waiting line. No way around it. So either wait for your turn, or explore other alternative. If you want to spend time howling, crying and protesting, well good luck with that too. It only makes American look down on us as GC seeking lowly, noisy, needy immigrants.

Look up how immigration is done in NZ, AUS and Canada, that's a dignified way and then there is this USCIS way which humiliates you at every step. So the choice is there, its just tht we r too stuck with american GC

[Mr. Brown]

Well ... I could partially agree to your rant. While I understand your point of view it is not justified on your part to generalize all posters into one category. You should have been more specific about what kind of posts (and even posters if you wish) frustrate you.

In my view your words "Get a life" certainly applies to the following set of people (in that particular order):


Those who say they are awaiting their GC to plan their lives (get married, have kids, buy a house etc.) I am married with a kid and bought a house and all I have is a I-140 approval (Not applied for I-485 yet). So what happens if I loose my job? I will make an honest effort to find one and if I fail I'll sell my house and go back to India. I am prepared both mentally and somewhat financially too. As much as I want to live in the USA it is common sense that I always have a solid back up plan to go back if need be.

Those who come here whining about their I-485 getting rejected and don't have a back up plan. Seriously, how many times must you get jacked before you realize that USCIS is not dependable? How the heck can one plan their life around it? One must realize that GC is just a small part of your life and not your life itself. Get your priorities straight.

Those who say that laws are racist. Hilarious! BTW racism is not one way (like the Whites out here want you to think) so beware of what you say unless you don't mind getting sued.

Those who build up their hopes with predictions on the next visa bulletin and go emotionally crazy when the hopes crash with the release of that bulletin. I mean c'mon ... flower campaigns? hunger strikes? Are you that naive to think it worked the first time? This ain't a factory in India and we aren't a group of union workers.


The above form a very small group of people on this website and that is where the problem lies with your post. You are basically stereotyping all of us into a category formed by a small group of people.

Anyway, good to know of your Canadian PR success ... good luck!

To those who fall in the above 4 categories take the time to realize that its all in your head. Be strong and prepared mentally. You've done all you can in an honest way. If things don't work out then so be it. Sometime in the future you will realize that it was all for your own good. Move on in style to your next adventure ... it's waiting for you.




This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing :)

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

[gvenkat]

Well ... I could partially agree to your rant. While I understand your point of view it is not justified on your part to generalize all posters into one category. You should have been more specific about what kind of posts (and even posters if you wish) frustrate you.

In my view your words "Get a life" certainly applies to the following set of people (in that particular order):


Those who say they are awaiting their GC to plan their lives (get married, have kids, buy a house etc.) I am married with a kid and bought a house and all I have is a I-140 approval (Not applied for I-485 yet). So what happens if I loose my job? I will make an honest effort to find one and if I fail I'll sell my house and go back to India. I am prepared both mentally and somewhat financially too. As much as I want to live in the USA it is common sense that I always have a solid back up plan to go back if need be.

Those who come here whining about their I-485 getting rejected and don't have a back up plan. Seriously, how many times must you get jacked before you realize that USCIS is not dependable? How the heck can one plan their life around it? One must realize that GC is just a small part of your life and not your life itself. Get your priorities straight.

Those who say that laws are racist. Hilarious! BTW racism is not one way (like the Whites out here want you to think) so beware of what you say unless you don't mind getting sued.

Those who build up their hopes with predictions on the next visa bulletin and go emotionally crazy when the hopes crash with the release of that bulletin. I mean c'mon ... flower campaigns? hunger strikes? Are you that naive to think it worked the first time? This ain't a factory in India and we aren't a group of union workers.


The above form a very small group of people on this website and that is where the problem lies with your post. You are basically stereotyping all of us into a category formed by a small group of people.

Anyway, good to know of your Canadian PR success ... good luck!

To those who fall in the above 4 categories take the time to realize that its all in your head. Be strong and prepared mentally. You've done all you can in an honest way. If things don't work out then so be it. Sometime in the future you will realize that it was all for your own good. Move on in style to your next adventure ... it's waiting for you.

A very sensible post. You dont need to have ur life around the GC and Priority dates. You need to do what u want to as much as within ur limits.. But one thing is USCIS can be staright forward and say EB-I wont move for such and such time and people can still plan better... :)

[tulips]

Well said and I agree. USCIS can be more transparent and be clear. They can always tell us that it would take X years and people can plan better and decide accordingly. Why cant they do it is beyond my reasoning. Frustrating part is they wont do that! Everyone makes alternate plans and has a threshold for waiting. I guess this is what nitinboston was trying to say that dont be obsessed about it. Many people took it wrongly and started called names which just shows immaturity. Anyways, GC or no GC one should live happily wherever that be :-)

[harikris]

A very sensible post. You dont need to have ur life around the GC and Priority dates. You need to do what u want to as much as within ur limits.. But one thing is USCIS can be staright forward and say EB-I wont move for such and such time and people can still plan better... :)

I agree. On an average, it seems, one spends just about 6 yrs to get his/her GC. That's nearly 20% of our productive "employment" life. At some point in the process, one starts to wonder if he/she can lay their roots in this country.
It is not an easy or trivial task to "just move on" and pursue plan B or plan C.
With passage of time, the priorities and the drive of people change.
So, the immigration system should be quick and transparent.
If you notice in daily life, there is always a "good-faith" disclosure of terms and conditions before signing up for anything. And both parties strive to keep their end of the deal.
That's all we are really asking from the SYSTEM - "If you are willing to open the gates for immigrants, please process their applications to the best extent possible and don't hold up our lives"

What is missing in this system is "empathy". Rules are fine and we also understand the over-subscription in certain categories. But at the end of day, the controlling or executive authorities have to show some empathy to those that are left hanging. Rules are made to help people and they should not become an excuse to punish [PR process delayed is justice denied, truly] the common folks instead.

President Obama has stated he would like have an empathetic judge on the supreme court. Likewise, we need someone heading the immigration system that empathizes with the lives of prospective PR lot.

What can we do to seek such a leader or change?

[Mr. Brown]

It is not an easy or trivial task to "just move on" and pursue plan B or plan C.
True. If the plan B/C is not up to par with plan A then it is definitely hard to move on. Plan A (GC) gives you a grand standard of living but Plan B (India etc.) gives you a first class citizenship plus a say in the society. It's not all bad.

With passage of time, the priorities and the drive of people change.
Given the passage of time priorities/drive should be geared more towards securing and making the best of what you have (home country's citizenship) rather than what you don't have (GC). Heck, even retirement based mutual funds work in that fashion (aggressive at first, conservative as time passes).

So, the immigration system should be quick and transparent.
No offense but it comes out a bit narcissist like ... don't ya think?

If you notice in daily life, there is always a "good-faith" disclosure of terms and conditions before signing up for anything. And both parties strive to keep their end of the deal.
See now ... everyone keeps talking about this deal that USCIS promised us. Either my lawyer didn't give me the fine print (where the time frame was mentioned) or USCIS doesn't promise a time frame to every applicant.

What is missing in this system is "empathy".
You nailed it. I completely agree with you and guess what this arrogance from USCIS will come back to bite them but it will be too late. How do you think empires that rule for centuries crumble in a few years? Empathy (or lack-thereof) can bring one down to their knees.

What can we do to seek such a leader or change?
Nothing. As second class citizens (GC/USC or not) we don't have a say in this society. We give some to get some.

[PresidentO]

K , I see two views by two different types of folks.

View #1: This system sucks. Its not fair and just. America is a great country and land of immigrants and we chose to immigrate here. Lets work on this issue so that I myself and folks such as myself now and going forward do not have this problem. I will do what ever it takes. I personally feel that regardless of the outcome, it gives immense self satisfaction to commit to meaningful cause. Others might not feel so, but all of us believe that this problem needs to be solved and do what ever we can do.

View #2: Some people come resigned with the idea that they will be looked down. Now My question is what do you want to accomplish on IV if you do not want to work on the issue, If you do not want believe in the core principles of this organization. If you think that immigrants are treated like dirt and again if you believe in that and because you are an immigrant in this country, you should have been putting up with a treatment like dirt, do you have an iota of self esteem?? Seriously, If you really believe what you are saying why do you even want to be here now? or why do you even want to have a backup plan that will again make you a immigrant some where else?? $$$ over ride self esteem Huh? In the name of discussion you want to shape the opinion of people who do not talk much. Kudos to your agenda. You keep spitting out your rhetoric that immigrants are dirt but cannot make arguments that hold water for a single second.

I compared the president to show that immigrants and sons of immigrants can have a life that is quite opposite of what the OP said. Just because you or some one you know treated some one bad does not mean that every one treats others the same. B T W, There are others in congress who are born out of country as well and there are governors born some where. stop smoking too much

B T W, All of us know that immigration in the US is broken and we want to do our best to fix it. You can chose not to do so. Did some one say that you have to get a life because you chose not to do so? Yes, there are many other countries that have smoother immigration process. Every one is welcome to explore them and you did. In fact, IV wiki has sections dedicated for immigration to other countries. You can chose to develop them or can chose other wise. Just because you have explored other options and found some thing that suits your situation does not mean every plain jane can and will find one. You expect the US congress to get its act right, modify the immigration system and have all of us walk on a red carpet. That would be ideal. Even I will love that. As that is not the case and some of us has chosen to work with the US Congress, you consider us folks who dont have a life. It comes down to the difference that you dont want to work on this issue and have things served on a silver platter, while many of us want to work and fix this issue. Rant as much as you can but all of your arguments contradict each other

Mr Brown,

Should I say that all of you those who bought homes and are having a life bought a home with 0% down and interest only loan so that you can save your taxes now and if your GC does not come through in 5 years, you will walk out with out any loss as you made hefty deductions and haven't paid single penny towards the mortgage and simply go to Timbuktu or Krakovia. I will not!. Just because you chose to buy a home and have a life does not mean that others dont. Every one lives their own lives. Those who dont buy a home live a life of their choice. Stop judging people. GC was not a risk or hindrance to you in buying a home but could be for Joe the Analyst. You might have deep pockets, Joe the analyst might not or have other commitments. Coupled with the lack of GC, his risk might be more than some one else.

[Mr. Brown]

Mr Brown,

Should I say that all of you those who bought homes and are having a life bought a home with 0% down and interest only loan so that you can save your taxes now and if your GC does not come through in 5 years, you will walk out with out any loss as you made hefty deductions and haven't paid single penny towards the mortgage and simply go to Timbuktu or Krakovia. I will not!. Just because you chose to buy a home and have a life does not mean that others dont. Every one lives their own lives. Those who dont buy a home live a life of their choice. Stop judging people. GC was not a risk or hindrance to you in buying a home but could be for Joe the Analyst. You might have deep pockets, Joe the analyst might not or have other commitments

Your statements (above in bold) are contradictory. On one hand you don't want us to judge you but you return us the favor anyway.

Let me be clear here. I was talking about people who come here whining about how they can't buy a house ONLY because of the gc/immigration laws etc. I am not talking about Joe the Analyst (nicely copied BTW :-))

All I am saying is to stop whining and do better to withstand what you cannot change.

BTW, I put 10% down on my house and I've got the usual commitments.

[PresidentO]

Should I say that all of you those who bought homes and are having a life bought a home with 0% down and interest only loan so that you can save your taxes now and if your GC does not come through in 5 years, you will walk out with out any loss as you made hefty deductions and haven't paid single penny towards the mortgage and simply go to Timbuktu or Krakovia. I will not!.

Thanks for calling me a hypocrite with out reading the whole answer. I was just giving a hypothetical example on how one can talk about others life and practices in life sitting before a computer. Thanks for your clarification on whom you considered XYZ because lack of GC has stopped them from buying a home. I will respectfully disagree with your opinion that GC is not a non stopper for every one and there is a significant contingent out there who dont want to buy a home without a GC and consider it risk. Opinions differ and yours is taken. Again, You in the above hypothetical example does not refer to any one in person.

[harikris]

[Mr. Brown] True. If the plan B/C is not up to par with plan A then it is definitely hard to move on. Plan A (GC) gives you a grand standard of living but Plan B (India etc.) gives you a first class citizenship plus a say in the society. It's not all bad.


[harikris] Plan B/C comes into play when plan A is logically terminated. That is not the case here Mr. Brown. The process should be fast enough not to allow a life changing event to weigh in on any individual to continue with an initially chosen plan or to abandon it.

[Mr. Brown] Given the passage of time priorities/drive should be geared more towards securing and making the best of what you have (home country's citizenship) rather than what you don't have (GC). Heck, even retirement based mutual funds work in that fashion (aggressive at first, conservative as time passes).


[harikris] Going by your analogy, most "young" folks do play it aggressive(risky) by following up on their dreams and when it is time to consolidate/secure, they are facing uncertainties that are not quite under their control. I can assure you that all their efforts are indeed geared up towards securing what they have worked so hard for all along. I am assuming home country's citizenship and social circles are a given and no extra-ordinary effort needs to be applied in those sectors.

[Mr. Brown] No offense but it comes out a bit narcissist like ... don't ya think?

[harikris] No Sir. I don't believe for a second that i am asking more than what i paid for or entitled to.

[Mr. Brown] See now ... everyone keeps talking about this deal that USCIS promised us. Either my lawyer didn't give me the fine print (where the time frame was mentioned) or USCIS doesn't promise a time frame to every applicant.

[harikris] I am referring to the statements that USCIS/legislators make when they come up with yet another innovative method to overhaul the system to speed up the process and efficiently tackle the existing backlog within a pre-set target date. We have to take their word for it, if we are to have any solid grounds for making a case against backlogs. We got to STOP taking their statements with a "pinch of salt" and "wink-wink" fashion because that would mean we have lost the fight even before we enter the field. We got to "help" USCIS and work with them so that they can help us.


[Mr. Brown] You nailed it. I completely agree with you and guess what this arrogance from USCIS will come back to bite them but it will be too late. How do you think empires that rule for centuries crumble in a few years? Empathy (or lack-thereof) can bring one down to their knees.



[harikris] Thanks. We surely don't want to wish the vehicle [USCIS] that is supposed to take us to our "destination" to crash fatally. Let's strive to put USCIS back on track.

[Mr. Brown] Nothing. As second class citizens (GC/USC or not) we don't have a say in this society. We give some to get some.


[harikris] Please, do what you can. Don't resign to such thoughts. Let's come up with a solution. There is no merit sitting idle. Let's start knocking doors in all earnest and some door should open for sure.

[nitinboston]

Did you guys looked at the latest projections given by USCIS, its on murthy.com. For those who want to wait 10-15 years in limbo, i will pray for you all. For those who want to explore new options, i want to wish you best of luck,

[jthomas]

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-153059.html
Foreign laborers break the law by collecting unemployment

the other person is also a IV member on the post. Anti-immigrants have been comming to our site and collecting information about your discussion. I am not at all worried about anything.

Please do not fight with conflicting topics which is of no use.

Did you guys looked at the latest projections given by USCIS, its on murthy.com. For those who want to wait 10-15 years in limbo, i will pray for you all. For those who want to explore new options, i want to wish you best of luck,