View Full Version : Starting a letter campaign ..going Solo
bsbawa10
05-16-2009, 02:33 PM
I am starting a letter campaign starting asap. No, I am not requesting IV or anybody else to join me in doing it. I have tried several times but we are not that much united. If somebody joins me, it is fine, otherwise I am going solo. I plan to write to the following places regarding my grievances about the unfair visa quota and USCIS not following the priority dates.
1. cis ombudsman
2. CNN
3. Mr. President
4. USCIS Director
5. DHS Director
Yes, I still need your help. Help me in getting the addresses please. ( I think we can put them on Wiki also)
Help me in drafting the letter please (if you have some kind of draft in any earlier thread).
<edit> the draft of the letter is now ready can be viewed and edited. Here is the link:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_140ftnwd26b&invite=1870524266
Many thanks in advance.
snathan
05-16-2009, 03:28 PM
I am starting a letter campaign starting asap. No, I am not requesting IV or anybody else to join me in doing it. I have tried several times but we are not that much united. If somebody joins me, it is fine, otherwise I am going solo. I plan to write to the following places regarding my grievances about the unfair visa quota and USCIS not following the priority dates.
1. cis ombudsman
2. CNN
3. Zoe
4. Mr. President
5. USCIS Director
6. DHS Director
Yes, I still need your help. Help me in getting the addresses please. ( I think we can put them on Wiki also)
Help me in drafting the letter please (if you have some kind of draft in any earlier thread).
Many thanks in advance.
You dont have to go solo. Join the donor forum, state chapter and if you want do this...you can start a campaign and lead the effort.
Then people take you seriously and will support you.
bsbawa10
05-16-2009, 04:57 PM
You dont have to go solo. Join the donor forum, state chapter and if you want do this...you can start a campaign and lead the effort.
Then people take you seriously and will support you.
I think people do not have to support me, I can go solo and tell them I did it. If they want to do the same, they can if they do not , they do not.
ilikekilo
05-16-2009, 06:11 PM
Hey if you think you are doing the right thing, no one is gonna stop you, but if you put your enthusiasm and energy in to collective effort and work with everyone on this platform, chances of being successful are more. Its up to you, think a bout it...thanks
bsbawa10
05-16-2009, 06:14 PM
Hey if you think you are doing the right thing, no one is gonna stop you, but if you put your enthusiasm and energy in to collective effort and work with everyone on this platform, chances of being successful are more. Its up to you, think a bout it...thanks
I am just informing everybody here so that there is a possibility of this thing being collective effort. However, in the past it clearly showed that we are not united and people do not take action at all. So, I am not waiting on anybody and delaying my action but I am in a way leading by showing that I am doing it but it is upto people to follow or not.
ilikekilo
05-16-2009, 07:45 PM
More or less this effort looks like this one below ..It may hurt us more than it might help..but hey, looks like you know what you are doing..good luck
http://www1.immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=327841&postcount=36
ssingh92
05-16-2009, 08:01 PM
Good Luck for solo efforts!! I am already doing this!!!
There is a MSN article and I just posted following
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Banking/HomeFinancing/let-immigrants-fix-the-housing-mess.aspx?pgnew=true#uc2Lst
Let these people think!!
Why you need to bring new immigrants. Why you people are not thinking about the legal immigrants who are already here!!!
I read some of the comments and I believe nobody talk about the legal immigrants who have come on H1B Visa and now waiting for green card. These immigrants (including me) have earn lot of money and will buy not only home , cars, furniture.....
We already have talked to some politicians and many others but nobody understands. Instead they sent the processing date of green card back to 2000 or unavailable and forcing us to leave country. What a joke!! We earned a lot of money here legally, paid all kind of taxes now politicians think that we should go back not only with all money (that we earned from you) with the jobs we are doing here. Remember that the IT jobs are most easily outsourced.
Why need green card???. Because green card make sure that
1. We will get longer term Driving License.
2. Don't need VISA stamping every time we go home country and come back.
3. Need not to maintain tons of legal paper work to remain as legal immigrant. Will save thousand dollars of attorney fees.
4. Can change the employer.
5. We can manage our investments in better ways.
6. Will get a chance to become citizen.
We understand that if we get green card and even if we all buy home it will not solve the housing problem completely but it will reduce some home inventory and will increase the consumer spending. I am not sure that my comment will convince anyone or not but till I get Green Card or get kicked out of the country I will be living in the lowest rented apartment with bare minimum spending, saving most of the my salary.
Thanks for reading!!!
gc_dream07
05-16-2009, 08:04 PM
I am just informing everybody here so that there is a possibility of this thing being collective effort. However, in the past it clearly showed that we are not united and people do not take action at all. So, I am not waiting on anybody and delaying my action but I am in a way leading by showing that I am doing it but it is upto people to follow or not.
Do you have the letters ready? Can you please share? I will send them too.
jthomas
05-16-2009, 08:41 PM
Let us know when you finalize the letter. I will join you too.
there are some active members who will support you on this. Is it okay to make a yahoo/google group with those members and make the letters and then post the updates on IV website. Just thinking of the anti's.
J Thomas
I am starting a letter campaign starting asap. No, I am not requesting IV or anybody else to join me in doing it. I have tried several times but we are not that much united. If somebody joins me, it is fine, otherwise I am going solo. I plan to write to the following places regarding my grievances about the unfair visa quota and USCIS not following the priority dates.
1. cis ombudsman
2. CNN
3. Mr. President
4. USCIS Director
5. DHS Director
Yes, I still need your help. Help me in getting the addresses please. ( I think we can put them on Wiki also)
Help me in drafting the letter please (if you have some kind of draft in any earlier thread).
Many thanks in advance.
bsbawa10
05-16-2009, 08:51 PM
I will finalize the letter by tomorrow and post it here
snathan
05-16-2009, 09:30 PM
Let us know when you finalize the letter. I will join you too.
there are some active members who will support you on this. Is it okay to make a yahoo/google group with those members and make the letters and then post the updates on IV website. Just thinking of the anti's.
J Thomas
We already have a media group. If you are interested, become a donor and contact meenal for further information.
Thanks,
snathan
05-16-2009, 09:31 PM
I will finalize the letter by tomorrow and post it here
Why dont you join our media group....
hiralal
05-16-2009, 09:41 PM
Good Luck for solo efforts!! I am already doing this!!!.
Why need green card???. Because green card make sure that
1. We will get longer term Driving License.
2. Don't need VISA stamping every time we go home country and come back.
3. Need not to maintain tons of legal paper work to remain as legal immigrant. Will save thousand dollars of attorney fees.
4. Can change the employer.
5. We can manage our investments in better ways.
6. Will get a chance to become citizen.
We understand that if we get green card and even if we all buy home it will not solve the housing problem completely but it will reduce some home inventory and will increase the consumer spending. I am not sure that my comment will convince anyone or not but till I get Green Card or get kicked out of the country I will be living in the lowest rented apartment with bare minimum spending, saving most of the my salary.
Thanks for reading!!!
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good post ..actually we should talk about this ..for e.g. I get along with my manager and I told him the GC delays prevented me from buying a house at bubble prices !!!
also even if 1/4th the inventory were to be cleared then it would help a lot ..sad point is that lot of immigrants (and Indians) ran to buy a house at bubble prices as soon as they got their EAD's ..if they had waited then we would have had bigger leverage !!
bsbawa10
05-16-2009, 10:00 PM
Below is the draft of my letter. I am focusing on one thing only i.e. unfair country quota for now. I still need the addresses. If somebody has them, please post here or PM me.
LIST OF ADDRESS BELOW (PLEASE CONTRIBUTE ADDRESSES)
1. CIS ombudsman
Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman
Department of Homeland Security
Attention: Case Problems
Mail Stop 1225
Washington, D.C. 20528-1225
2. CNN (address needed)
3. Mr. President(address needed)
4. USCIS Director(Please correct this address if it is wrong)
Emilio T. Gonzalez
20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20529
5. DHS Director(address needed)
Subject: Suffering of Indian and Chinese community due to unfair country quota for employment based green cards
With due respect, I want to bring your attention to unfair and unjustified country quota for green card for legal tax paying employment category waiting for green card.
It is an unseen torture but that there are people(Indian and Chinese especially) who have spent more than a decade just to become a permanent resident in this country. To add insult to the injury, there is a random factor also provided by DHS(Department of Homeland Security) and USCIS(US Citizenship and Immigration Services). The visa dates which dictate when a person can apply for green card or when his green card can be processed keep on moving back and forth which determine when a person can apply for his adjustment of status under employment based category . The logic for moving the dates is not transparent and retrogresses by as much as 4 years. Yes, in the world of USCIS, there are no numbers published and there is no way of knowing as to how many applications are pending per country per category. It is like shooting in the dark and if you are luck, you would get your green card.
The indirect suffering is actually on the US side also but it is again not seen. Thousands and thousands of such Indian and Chinese cannot contribute to society , cannot buy houses (which can contribute to economy).
It is traumatic experience to wait endlessly in anticipation of green card. This endless wait is taking toll on individual and families. As individuals, we are not able to make any career moves due to the fear of losing status. Secondly , on the family front, we are not able to invest in buying a home or making any long term investment. I want to bring to your notice that the main sufferers are Indian and Chinese aspirants who toil hard to study, build skills, get employment pay taxes, Medicare and Social Security for years and still there is endless wait for them to get the green card.
With years and years of wait and thousands of dollars spent on maintaining status and renewing visas, the following questions start brewing in our minds:
Are we worse than the people who illegally enter the country ? Are we paying price for honestly paying the taxes and legally entering the country ? Does US want to show that it encourages racism by having per country quotas (I am sorry to use the word "racism" but this is exactly what it amounts to) ?
With so much media coverage having been focused on illegal immigration until now, nobody has seen the plight of legal immigrants. Nobody has seen the torture to them.
It is unfair, in a democracy and in a country that prides itself on its openness, for the government to manipulate procedures, while wreaking havoc on people's lives. It undermines our legal immigration system and the orderliness upon which that system - and all of those relying upon it - depend
I strongly request removing country limit for employment based visas and it makes sense because EB is based on qualification and employment vs any pre-defined quota. This is not only just and fair, but it is "right thing to do". Also because it is justice to people. It will show that "Honesty and hard work are rewarded" in America.
mannubhai
05-16-2009, 10:26 PM
I know a few days back there was a posting with a link to sending letters / comments to White House. I just dug it out -
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contactus/
Please post any other addresses you have get your hands on
hiralal
05-17-2009, 06:54 AM
The question is do we write only to president or to media also ..for e.g. what if there is a change in policy which says Americans first (even if unqualified) ...and hence we maybe seeing the increase in RFE's etc
we should send to media also or maybe Shiller maybe send it to realtors also ..and tell them that we cannot sign contracts for house because of GC delays ..in other words keep on trying ,,who knows which plan succeeds ..
btw ..for those still waiting to buy a house ...have more patience ..or don't worry it seems housing will not recover for 5 years minimum !!
BECsufferer
05-17-2009, 09:10 AM
Below is the draft of my letter. I am focusing on one thing only i.e. unfair country quota for now. I still need the addresses. If somebody has them, please post here or PM me.
Subject: Suffering of Indian and Chinese community due to unfair country quota for employment based green cards
With due respect, I want to bring your attention to unfair and unjustified country quota for green card for legal tax paying employment category waiting for green card.
It is an unseen torture but that there are people(Indian and Chinese especially) who have spent more than a decade just to become a permanent resident in this country. To add insult to the injury, there is a random factor also provided by DHS and USCIS. The visa dates which dictate when a person can apply for green card keep on moving back and forth which determine when a person can apply for his adjustment of status under employment based category . The logic for moving the dates is not transparent and retrogresses by as much as 4 years. Yes, in the world of USCIS, there are no numbers published and there is no way of knowing as to how many applications are pending per country per category. It is like shooting in the dark and if you are luck, you would get your green card.
It is traumatic experience to wait endlessly in anticipation of green card. This endless wait is taking toll on individual and families. As individuals, we are not able to make any career moves due to the fear of losing status. Secondly , on the family front, we are not able to invest in buying a home or making any long term investment.
I want to bring to your notice that the main sufferers are Indian and Chinese aspirants who toil hard to study, build skills, get employment pay taxes for years and still there is endless wait for them to get the green card.
Are we worse than the people who illegally enter the country ? Are we paying price for honestly paying the taxes and legally entering the country ?
With so much media coverage having been focused on illegal immigration until now, nobody has seen the plight of legal immigrants. Nobody has seen the torture to them.
It is unfair, in a democracy and in a country that prides itself on its openness, for the government to manipulate procedures, while wreaking havoc on people's lives. It undermines our legal immigration system and the orderliness upon which that system - and all of those relying upon it - depend
I strongly request removing country limit for employment based visas and it makes sense because EB is based on qualification and employment vs any pre-defined quota.
Just few observations;
1. For us this letter makes all sense, but also bear in mind the reader is un-aware of this whole issue. I suggest, prior to using acronmys like USCIS, decribe them.
2. Emphasize on candiadtes, like many if not most have been educated in USA and posses talents that have been proven by patents and publishments besides economically and technologically empowering American competitivness
3. Stress upon benefits to local communities, schools, real estate etc when we will settle. lets put some numbers, say home value 250K (avg) and potential immigrants per county say 50-100. This converts into ready investment of $12.5 -25 million.
4. Copy to local senators with a point, how these potential "legal" immigrants would contribute to local social/political and economical setup.
I know this is not prefect, but atleast you have started where we all have been delinquiant. Keep doing what you are doing. Can we shoot for final draft by 05/23/09?
hiralal
05-18-2009, 07:11 AM
no posts since the last 21 hours so I am bumping this. have people lost all interest ???:o
just thought that I would mention another plan too ...since it is better to have several small campaigns ..
call your local realtors (maybe 5- 6 realtors), show interest in buying a house (or another house) ..engage him and them back off at the last minutes saying that GC delay is preventing you from signing the contract !
at the very least, we will have more sympathizers during the next recapture effort ..(and more people will realize the benefits of legal immigration !!).
bsbawa10
05-18-2009, 08:36 AM
Just few observations;
1. For us this letter makes all sense, but also bear in mind the reader is un-aware of this whole issue. I suggest, prior to using acronmys like USCIS, decribe them.
2. Emphasize on candiadtes, like many if not most have been educated in USA and posses talents that have been proven by patents and publishments besides economically and technologically empowering American competitivness
3. Stress upon benefits to local communities, schools, real estate etc when we will settle. lets put some numbers, say home value 250K (avg) and potential immigrants per county say 50-100. This converts into ready investment of $12.5 -25 million.
4. Copy to local senators with a point, how these potential "legal" immigrants would contribute to local social/political and economical setup.
I know this is not prefect, but atleast you have started where we all have been delinquiant. Keep doing what you are doing. Can we shoot for final draft by 05/23/09?
Thanks for the suggestions, I will make the some changes and may be put it on google docs, after keeping a copy for myself. Anybody wants to edit it and make it better please do.
vivid_bharti
05-18-2009, 11:06 AM
"It may hurt us", is the craziest thing that you guys speak on this forum...You are being discriminated by your place of birth, in the country which stands for "equality" for all. You are sitting here for a decade waiting for green card...you have invested all your youth in this country...Now you fear of what ????
More or less this effort looks like this one below ..It may hurt us more than it might help..but hey, looks like you know what you are doing..good luck
http://www1.immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=327841&postcount=36
suriajay12
05-18-2009, 01:07 PM
Below is the draft of my letter. I am focusing on one thing only i.e. unfair country quota for now. I still need the addresses. If somebody has them, please post here or PM me.
Subject: Suffering of Indian and Chinese community due to unfair country quota for employment based green cards
With due respect, I want to bring your attention to unfair and unjustified country quota for green card for legal tax paying employment category waiting for green card.
It is an unseen torture but that there are people(Indian and Chinese especially) who have spent more than a decade just to become a permanent resident in this country. To add insult to the injury, there is a random factor also provided by DHS and USCIS. The visa dates which dictate when a person can apply for green card keep on moving back and forth which determine when a person can apply for his adjustment of status under employment based category . The logic for moving the dates is not transparent and retrogresses by as much as 4 years. Yes, in the world of USCIS, there are no numbers published and there is no way of knowing as to how many applications are pending per country per category. It is like shooting in the dark and if you are luck, you would get your green card.
It is traumatic experience to wait endlessly in anticipation of green card. This endless wait is taking toll on individual and families. As individuals, we are not able to make any career moves due to the fear of losing status. Secondly , on the family front, we are not able to invest in buying a home or making any long term investment.
I want to bring to your notice that the main sufferers are Indian and Chinese aspirants who toil hard to study, build skills, get employment pay taxes for years and still there is endless wait for them to get the green card.
Are we worse than the people who illegally enter the country ? Are we paying price for honestly paying the taxes and legally entering the country ?
With so much media coverage having been focused on illegal immigration until now, nobody has seen the plight of legal immigrants. Nobody has seen the torture to them.
It is unfair, in a democracy and in a country that prides itself on its openness, for the government to manipulate procedures, while wreaking havoc on people's lives. It undermines our legal immigration system and the orderliness upon which that system - and all of those relying upon it - depend
I strongly request removing country limit for employment based visas and it makes sense because EB is based on qualification and employment vs any pre-defined quota.
Bawa,
Good one, Keep it UP.
I'm already doing it twice a week. I will send your letter too now. Also can add we can create companies, jobs etc,
Thanks..
hiralal
05-18-2009, 02:09 PM
"It may hurt us", is the craziest thing that you guys speak on this forum...You are being discriminated by your place of birth, in the country which stands for "equality" for all. You are sitting here for a decade waiting for green card...you have invested all your youth in this country...Now you fear of what ????
I agree and well said ... this should be the answer to all naysayers !!
h1b_forever
05-18-2009, 02:28 PM
I have sent an email to my Senator and Congressman describing my situation.
bsbawa10
05-18-2009, 07:08 PM
Everybody,
The draft of the letter is on google docs. Instead of giving any suggestions here, you can directly edit the document for everybody if you want to (that will be of more help). Just keep in mind keep it short and sweet. If you want to customize it for yourself only, then do that for yourself on your local computer. By the way, I am still waiting for the list of addresses. I have kept that area also in the draft, please post any addresses if you have.
here is the link
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_140ftnwd26b&invite=1870524266v
Many thanks. (Please PM me if you cannot view it or edit it)
ss_79
05-18-2009, 11:11 PM
Has any body heard any legal opinions against us being able to get back our Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid contributions if we cannot or do not want to stay in USA for the 10 years or so it takes to get the 40 points? It just seems so unfair that we are forced to contribute our retirement/health savings into a system from which we will probably never get any benefits....after all the whole idea of the system is to support people in their old age and we are just being robbed of any such benefits and we can't even complain. The irony is that the people our money is supporting today are the people who want us out. I just think that we are not getting any younger with this long wait for the GC and at the same time we are faced with a situation where we will potentially loose all our investment we have made for our retirement days. Do you guys think that we should talk to the govt (here and India) to help us invest in a portable investment plans instead of the social security system? The govts can manage the money as long as we are assured of benefits where ever we live. I think it will be beneficial even for the govts since we will hopefully not become a liability in the old age.
Marphad
05-19-2009, 10:08 AM
^^^^
gc_on_demand
05-19-2009, 10:17 AM
Members please submit ur answers to this thread.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=342110#post342110
vbkris77
05-19-2009, 10:50 AM
Everybody,
The draft of the letter is on google docs. Instead of giving any suggestions here, you can directly edit the document for everybody if you want to (that will be of more help). Just keep in mind keep it short and sweet. If you want to customize it for yourself only, then do that for yourself on your local computer. By the way, I am still waiting for the list of addresses. I have kept that area also in the draft, please post any addresses if you have.
here is the link
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dd4vkcmm_140ftnwd26b
Many thanks. (Please PM me if you cannot view it or edit it)
My 2 cents..
I don't have permission to edit, So I am posting this here.
1. It is State Dept that fixes Visa dates
2. It is not required to refer illegals here. There is no advantage for them. More over if you had 10 years of suffering, they have 25 years of suffering. So no point in talking about that. Lot of them wouldn't have seen any other country when their parents got them here.
3. I would highlight more on that per country limit. By saying a guy from UK can land here with the same experience and same skill and become citizen and also a director of a company while the guy from India/China still waiting for GC stuck in quota backlog and be lost in career for no fault of him.. So it is not a level playing field..
4. I would add Visa wastage that CIS admitted in a congress last year, Ironically, that number matches with current EB backlog.
5. Also I would add a copy to Attorney General Eric Holder and highlight his remarks that this country is still a country of cowards in "ra****" matters..
bsbawa10
05-19-2009, 11:04 AM
I believe everybody should have permission to edit. I logged onto my other gmail account and I could edit it.
I liked your suggestions with the only exception of "mention of illegals". I think by mentioning the illegals, we can actually highlight that we are honest and tax paying people so that they can draw comparison between our and their case. Please incorporate changes into the draft. (You should be able to edit it, if you still cannot edit it PM me your gmail id and I will send you invitation to edit it). I fixed the link: use the link below:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_140ftnwd26b&invite=1870524266
vbkris77
05-19-2009, 11:11 AM
I believe everybody should have permission to edit. I logged onto my other gmail account and I could edit it. I liked your suggestions with the only exception of "mention of illegals". I think by mentioning the illegals, we can actually highlight that we are honest and tax paying people so that they can draw comparison between our and their case. Please incorporate changes into the draft. (You should be able to edit it)
They pay taxes too my friend, they use ITIN to pay. That is the very reason why a guy on H1B can't get IRS refunds when filing jointly with H4 having ITIN. I still don't have access!!!
dummgelauft
05-19-2009, 12:55 PM
I will finalize the letter by tomorrow and post it here
bsbawa, Here is my take on it. Please use whatever part of it you find useful.
Thanks
Subject: Suffering of Indian and Chinese community due to "country of birth quota" for employment based permanent residence.
With due respect, I would like to bring your attention, the unjustified suffering and un-certainity, to which people of Indian and Chinese origin are subject to. These people are not only employed legally in US in diverse, highly techincal and productive jobs, but are for the most part educated in US universities, and are law-abiding, tax paying residents of this great country. These are the people who have chosen this great contry to further their education and careers and to raise their families.
It was the strong meritocracy based system in US that influenced these people in the first place, to chose the USA and their adopted country.
It is an unseen torture, but that there are people(Indian and Chinese especially) who have spent more than a decade just to become a permanent resident in this country. The main reason for this suffereing is that the number of premanent resident visas are distributed evenly, by country of birth of the applicants. As and example, people born in Luxembourg or Nigeria get the same number of permanent resident visas allocated to them as do people from China, India or Philipnes. This leads to several year long queues for those permanent residence applicants who were born in the three afore-mentioned countries.
Contrary to popular beilef, the individuals that fall within this category are not cheap foreign labor, but are well paid and higly productive members of society.
Each year's allocation of visas, if not wholly exhausted within that year can not be carried forward to the next year. During the past 15 years or so, a lot of employment based (known as EB visas) were wasted. According to one conservative estimate as many as 350,000 to 450,000 visas may have gone un-used since 1992, primarily due to processing and adminsitrative delays at DHS and USCIS (US Citizenship and Immigration Service).
For these affected families, it is traumatic experience to wait endlessly in anticipation of permanent residence. This endless wait takes its toll on individuals and families.
As individuals, we are not able to make any career moves due to the fear of losing status.
Secondly, on the family front, we are not able to invest in buying a home or making any long term investment, thereby not being able to provide a stable environment to children. The financial cost of permanent residence application runs into thousands of dollars each year. On an average, a married couple must spend at least $2000.00 -$4000.00 every year, just to main tain their status in US, till suh a time as their Permanent Residence application is approved.
Dear Sir/Madam, I would like to pose a sincere question, Are we, the US educated, techincally skilled people worse than the people who illegally enter this country ? Are we a paying price for honestly paying our taxes and obeying the laws of the land?
With so much media coverage having been focused on illegal immigration until now, nobody has seen the plight of legal immigrants.
In a country that prides itself on individual achievement and individual merit based upon achievement, it seems unfair to create an employment based immigration system that functions based upon one's country of birth, and not based upon the capabilties and achievements of a person.
I would strongly urge you to work for Employment Based Immigration reform, which is rewards an individual not for his or her country of birth, but for his or her contribution to the US economy, indusry and the progress of technology.
An place to start would be to "re-capture" the massive number of Employment Based Immigrant visas that were lost between 1992 and the present, and eventually working torads a merit based visa system.
Sincerely
vbkris77
05-19-2009, 12:58 PM
MY version saved online.. But keep in mind for this to be a success we need atleast 5K-10K volunteers. Otherwise it won't have any impact what so ever...
bsbawa10
05-19-2009, 01:04 PM
MY version saved online.. But keep in mind for this to be a success we need atleast 5K-10K volunteers. Otherwise it won't have any impact what so ever...
Thanks vbkris77, I liked your editing and additions but I do not think we have more than 3 even. That is why I said, I am thinking of going solo. Any body wants to join please do but I am not asking anybody because we are not united.
vbkris77
05-19-2009, 01:08 PM
Try contacting Pappu or someone from IVCore to see if they approve this. Last I heared, they said, we need to wait until end of this month to get a clear picuture. It almost about time. So try to get an endorsement from them, I think we will have good mass then. I will try from side too.
ganguteli
05-19-2009, 01:13 PM
Stop spamming these people.
They will hate us more for clogging their mailbox with your anonymous mails.
If you truly love the crap you have written then here is the test: Send your digital junk to someone else, like your CEO and colleagues and ask them to contact the Senators for you as they are US Citizens. After all you work in their company, pay taxes, help the company grow, work hard and what not. Should they not listen to you? This is Employer sponsored EB green card and not self sponsored greencard. So your employer should be the one doing at least this much for you if he wants to employ you 'permanently'?
You will understand what I said above if you do this test.
vbkris77
05-19-2009, 01:17 PM
Hey, Why in the world, others will fix your problem. They may feel sorry, I have talked to hardcore rep. party folks and they feel sorry, but why in the world, will they write letters for you??? Most don't even read emails they get in office fully..
ganguteli
05-19-2009, 01:20 PM
Most don't even read emails they get in office fully..
If your office colleagues do not even read your emails sent by your office ID fully how do they conduct business?
husamymd
05-19-2009, 01:22 PM
your grammar is terrible. Especially if you are considering sending this letter to CNN you had better have someone spruce it up. "we have invested all your youth" line sounds stupid and ridiculous and means nothing. If you want to be taken seriously be serious about your drafting effort. One look at the letter and CNN will delete it.
ganguteli
05-19-2009, 01:31 PM
. "we have invested all your youth" line sounds stupid and ridiculous and means nothing. If you want to be taken seriously be serious about your drafting effort. One look at the letter and CNN will delete it.
I agree. Lou Dobbs will tell you- Who asked you to invest your youth. You came here on your own and want to stay on your own will. Nobody is forcing you to stay here and waste your youth. And if you tell me your employer wants you to stay then let your employer write to me.
vbkris77
05-19-2009, 02:37 PM
your grammar is terrible. Especially if you are considering sending this letter to CNN you had better have someone spruce it up. "we have invested all your youth" line sounds stupid and ridiculous and means nothing. If you want to be taken seriously be serious about your drafting effort. One look at the letter and CNN will delete it.
Fix it if you would like to participate.. I added some lines. Add/change some from your side. Make it perferct.. No point in finger pointing..
I don't know why there is a resistance in sending a letter. If you don't feel like participating, pls. move on. It is still a draft, we know how to make it correct.
hiralal
05-19-2009, 07:47 PM
I agree. Lou Dobbs will tell you- Who asked you to invest your youth. You came here on your own and want to stay on your own will. Nobody is forcing you to stay here and waste your youth. And if you tell me your employer wants you to stay then let your employer write to me.
is lou dobbs the president or the king of USA ..what the heck is your problem ???
bsbawa10
05-19-2009, 09:15 PM
is lou dobbs the president or the king of USA ..what the heck is your problem ???
Hiralal, thanks for supporting this cause. Taking no action just because somebody will oppose our action is the worst possible move. If you do not take any action, then you do not even stand any chance. But I pretty much knew right in the beginning that some people will oppose within IV. I have seen this a lot. You try to take one action and there are more opposers than supporters.
vivid_bharti
05-20-2009, 10:57 AM
This forum is infested with people who will tell you not to do anything because
1. Your grammer is wrong
2. You will hurt the cause.
3. You will divide the immigrant society as ROW countries may not like you crying against country quota
4. illegals may feel bad
Now I hear all kind of nonsense on this forum and unfortunately only nonsense...It's been years since IV did any meaningful campaign, the last one I remember was in july 2007.
amitjoey
05-20-2009, 12:36 PM
Hiralal, thanks for supporting this cause. Taking no action just because somebody will oppose our action is the worst possible move. If you do not take any action, then you do not even stand any chance. But I pretty much knew right in the beginning that some people will oppose within IV. I have seen this a lot. You try to take one action and there are more opposers than supporters.
bsbawa, I support you. I am sending the letters this week. Ignore the naysayers. All successfull campaigns were started with men/women that believed in what they believed was the right thing to do. They had the guts to pursue their ideas. Lets do it guys!!
amitjoey
05-20-2009, 12:42 PM
This is a draft of what I had sent last year to my senators. I am going to send a similar letter later this week.
Is there no oversight over USCIS. Processing delays, lost paperwork, incourteous and bad customer service. Why should legal immigrants wait in line patiently for half a decade and pay high fees to get lousy customer service and no accountability for fees?.
I have been in the country Legally on a student visa and then on a work visa for 10 years. I have been in line and have applied for a greencard 6 years ago and my application has been shuttled through various departments and agencies and not being processed for want of a number (An immigrant number) for a highly skilled immigrant. There are an estimated 1/2 million legal law abiding, tax paying individuals who need your attention. All of them are in the country on a work visa and are in line to recieve an employment based green card.
The Employment based green card system is completely broken due to excessive delays and backlogs in petitions of nearly half a million highly skilled workers who are certified by US Government to be doing a job that no US citizen is willing, qualified or able to do. The delays in obtaining a permanent residency are due to 2 reasons: Numerical caps on employment-based green cards and processing delays in adjudication of files. Today the system takes anywhere between 6-12 years to grant Green cards to some of the best and brightest of the world who have chosen America as their future home.
These future Americans are facing huge quality of life issues and their employers are facing difficulty in attracting more of the best and brightest of the world due to the broken system. The system prevents these workers from accepting promotions and switching jobs for the time-period it takes to process their files. By stagnating career growth and suffocating the creativity of the most innovative and technical minds of the world.
The processing delays mock America’s respect for those who “play by the rules” and get in line. At the same time USCIS awards 10s of thousands of greencards to people every year outside of USA based on a pick or lottery.
Yours truely,
Frustrated, law abiding, tax paying immigrant
neelu
05-20-2009, 01:37 PM
bsbawa, I support you. I am sending the letters this week. Ignore the naysayers. All successfull campaigns were started with men/women that believed in what they believed was the right thing to do. They had the guts to pursue their ideas. Lets do it guys!!
bsbawa,
I support this too. Keep up the spirit.
Like AmitJoey said, ignore the naysayers and do what your heart says is the right thing. I do the same (there is another thread where we/I began sending letters to whitehouse.gov) and I can sleep better knowing I have done my part (or at least tried). Of course there is a lot more to do.
If this thread gets closed because it is not the direction that Immigration voice is taking (as in the example that ILikeKilo pointed), so be it.
I will continue to write these letters even if I cannot post about them here.
AmitJoey, good to see a post from you after a long time. Was fun working with you on the "Add a Member" campaign. I miss the posts from level headed people like you, Makaka, purplehazea, and others.
amitjoey
05-20-2009, 01:56 PM
Neelu, Good to see you. Yes! it used to be so much fun back in 06,07 there were many multiple campaigns, much more camaraderie and momentum. Lets recreate that once more.
hiralal
05-20-2009, 08:42 PM
yes ..lets get this party started ...members have become bit cool ..actually those with higher stakes should take more initiative ..those who are homeowners or planning to become one (I fall in this category) ..those with late PD's ..youngsters etc etc ...
bsbawa10
05-20-2009, 08:51 PM
Thanks Neelu, Hiralal and amitjoey who are supporting. I agree there will always be some people who will oppose no matter what action you take. But we can ignore them.
hiralal
05-20-2009, 09:46 PM
actually we should thank you ..as I said ...your PD is apr 2004 and my guess is that in 6 - 8 months you will get your GC ...and hence those with later PD's, EB3 members (and home owners) etc should start taking more responsibility
arunmohan
05-21-2009, 02:11 AM
Thanks bsbawa10, I will send the letter too.
hopefulgc
05-21-2009, 09:45 AM
I am going to send the letter today.
BTW... I was recently volunteering for capital fraternal caucus and found that they have have been compiling short and succinct prose lately.Their letters are no more than 6 lines and in big bold fonts.
Thanks Neelu, Hiralal and amitjoey who are supporting. I agree there will always be some people who will oppose no matter what action you take. But we can ignore them.
sri1309
05-21-2009, 01:00 PM
A simple, single lines like below also will do.. Go to change.gov, agenda, immigration and send this and the like APART FROM whats suggested here. No limit to sending letters. Unless you raise your voice, no one can hear.
" Please understand EB2 and EB3 employment based LEGAL greencard applicants from India are suffering in never ending queues affecting their lives and any plans to invest in houses or in companies. Please help them out by removing these backlogs which are happening because of quotas and administrative. Some people are waiting for 5-10 years for no fault of theirs,
"
Please participate actively and pass it to your friends as well.
Some * who seems to have access to the backend of the site seems to have given me all reds.. no clue why that is.. can I get some greens please..
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