From IV: Big interview opportunity: pls help

[pappu]

This is an interview by a national TV channel (name withheld)
They will be doing a story on America's brain drain. To illustrate how America is losing
some of its brightest and most skilled talent, they need to interview an immigrant who is returning to his/her native country because of an expired visa, unable to get a greencard on time and perhaps because the recession has also taken a toll. Jobs have dried up and many have no alternative but to leave the U.S.

Please help IV and thus yourself find someone - maybe a founder of a sizeable company, an inventor, an entrepreneur with an advanced degree - who has created lots of jobs and
is about to return to China or India? The TV channel has offices across the world and this person can also be interviewed abroad. Can you forward the name and number of someone you know/if you are the one or help us spread the word. Please also post this on other immigration websites and ask people to contact immigrationvoice.org if they are interested.

Through this interview we need to show how this brain drain is America's loss and focus the story on an individual about to leave the U.S. /left USA. The interview will bring our point strongly on the value our community provides to USA and the need to retain this talent.

[Green.Tech]

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[vin13]

I heard on NPR a few days ago about Reverse brain drain. This information is available on their website. I am not sure if it is acceptable to post a link here. Go to npr.org and type in "reverse brain drain" on the search. You will get the article.

There could be a possibility to get in touch with the News reporter to get contact information of the individuals. These individuals may have friends who could have moved back too.

Hope this helps.

[Openarms]

It is highly unlikely or almost impossible to find these requested qualified people leaving US??? They know all the roads to work around the system to stay in.... I know people who left the country to save their family life and enjoy the real life in home country... but not those ones that you mentioned...my 2 cents...

[Dice]

Please help IV and thus yourself find someone - maybe a founder of a sizeable company, an inventor, an entrepreneur with an advanced degree - who has created lots of jobs and
is about to return to China or India?

That could be a lil tough, as the above mentioned guys are normally GC/Citizens, as you cant found a company and employ people, on a H-1B, but still, tons of bright kids, future stars, like that Indian guy now in Google Canada, who was profiled in BusinessWeek, can be found i guess.

[Openarms]

May be we can this Indian guy who is doing stuff you are asking google for "mit sixth sense device"

http://video.google.com/videosearch?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=mit%20sixth%20sense%20device&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#

common guys get real...think some thing that really happening to lot of people in the community...take common problems.. you don't need a rocket scientist, inventor to do our job... we are asked to come over here and work for USA needs... just expose those.

[ganguteli]

It is highly unlikely or almost impossible to find these requested qualified people leaving US??? They know all the roads to work around the system to stay in.... I know people who left the country to save their family life and enjoy the real life in home country... but not those ones that you mentioned...my 2 cents...

Stop living inside your cubicle and writing code all day. There is a world outside too. Just because you have worked around the system to stay in does not mean everyone is like you.

You are talking exactly how anti-immigrants wants us to talk. Just because you do not know anyone, does not mean nobody knows. I have heard a lot of people going back. We just need to find their contact information.

IV should also look at the thread about Canada Immigration. There are so many people who are planning to go to Canada.

[ganguteli]

common guys get real...think some thing that really happening to lot of people in the community...take common problems.. you don't need a rocket scientist, inventor to do our job... we are asked to come over here and work for USA needs... just expose those.

Are you a person with no special skills? This is the reason we have 20% abuse of H1B visas.

Most of us do work that no American is available or qualified to do. If you think you are not doing anything important and skillful enough that is better than US citizens, then maybe you should go back. You do not have any right to apply for your greencard because in your greencard your employer had to prove that no American is available for that position. Such applications should be canceled.

I can't imagine a best and the brightest guy writing this. No wonder we fail in our campaigns.

[thomachan72]

This is an interview by a national TV channel (name withheld)
They will be doing a story on America's brain drain. To illustrate how America is losing
some of its brightest and most skilled talent, they need to interview an immigrant who is returning to his/her native country because of an expired visa, unable to get a greencard on time and perhaps because the recession has also taken a toll. Jobs have dried up and many have no alternative but to leave the U.S.

Please help IV and thus yourself find someone - maybe a founder of a sizeable company, an inventor, an entrepreneur with an advanced degree - who has created lots of jobs and
is about to return to China or India? The TV channel has offices across the world and this person can also be interviewed abroad. Can you forward the name and number of someone you know/if you are the one or help us spread the word. Please also post this on other immigration websites and ask people to contact immigrationvoice.org if they are interested.

Through this interview we need to show how this brain drain is America's loss and focus the story on an individual about to leave the U.S. /left USA. The interview will bring our point strongly on the value our community provides to USA and the need to retain this talent.

Wasn't there a mention about a young Indian chap with Microsoft/ some other major software giants I believe who had to be relocated to canada and an office oppened just for him there. He relocated because his wife was not able to obtain a visa or green card and he doesn't want to stick in a country which cannot allow his wife to work. I unfortunately dont remember the details. Anybody remembering about this chap??

[gcisadawg]

Wasn't there a mention about a young Indian chap with Microsoft/ some other major software giants I believe who had to be relocated to canada and an office oppened just for him there. He relocated because his wife was not able to obtain a visa or green card and he doesn't want to stick in a country which cannot allow his wife to work. I unfortunately dont remember the details. Anybody remembering about this chap??

here you go...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/business/12immig.html

[Openarms]

Stop living inside your cubicle and writing code all day. There is a world outside too. Just because you have worked around the system to stay in does not mean everyone is like you.

You are talking exactly how anti-immigrants wants us to talk. Just because you do not know anyone, does not mean nobody knows. I have heard a lot of people going back. We just need to find their contact information.

IV should also look at the thread about Canada Immigration. There are so many people who are planning to go to Canada.

hello gangu,

how many people you employed so far...and I did not realized that are you the one who invented a car that did
go only with air.. isn't it??

--> there is nothing against immigration that talked before... chill out and get real dude..

[simple1]

I second Openarms.

I have seen people going back for
- medical reasons
- to be close with parents
- wife not interested to live in us.
- the primary/principal is fed up relocation after every project.
- better opportunities and quality of life in india.
- leaving to Canada for a better position etc.
- leaving to another country for studies.
- leaving to india to raise children better. etc.

Honestly, I have never seen extremely-high-skilled (like inventor/patent holder, entarchitect worked on verylarge projects, large-marketshare-product management, even a successful book-author etc). Leaving usa for Visa reasons. Infact, I have recently seen an entarchitect getting approx 20% raise (even in this bad economy) for successfully completing a large project.

I have seen another large-marketshare-product manager working in India (for personal reasons) for 8 weeks and still payed in USD with all benefits.

I know a guy who co-authored a book, got job with in few hours.

These extremely-high-skilled can move to jobs at will. They are not constraint by petty Visa stuff.

Loosing Focus:
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Yes, This is a Good PR move. Nothing more.

Guys, Let us not forget an important point here. We are here because we passed the labour market test of “highly skilled, willing, qualified American/GC” not found. I have my self filled in job two times, that was critical and vacant for almost 6 months with no qualified USC/GC to fill in.

Our focus should be to save “highly skilled” like us.
Not to promote agenda of “extremely highly skilled” which I am not one.

This extremely-high-skilled category sounds EB1 to me.

Again this is just my 2 cents.

It is highly unlikely or almost impossible to find these requested qualified people leaving US??? They know all the roads to work around the system to stay in.... I know people who left the country to save their family life and enjoy the real life in home country... but not those ones that you mentioned...my 2 cents...

[ganguteli]

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Yes, This is a Good PR move. Nothing more.

Guys, Let us not forget an important point here. We are here because we passed the labour market test of “highly skilled, willing, qualified American/GC” not found. I have my self filled in job two times, that was critical and vacant for almost 6 months with no qualified USC/GC to fill in.

Our focus should be to save “highly skilled” like us.
Not to promote agenda of “extremely highly skilled” which I am not one.

This extremely-high-skilled category sounds EB1 to me.

Again this is just my 2 cents.

So you are saying unemployed American programmers are not 'highly skilled' They are 'poor skilled' and that is why you passed the Labor Market test?

Don't you realize you are digging your own grave with your arguments and making yourself look weak?
This is to everyone who are arguing about their skills:
If you really passed the 'Labor Market test' , are you willing to have it posted again on the open forum with full details of your company, job requirements etc and be willing to withdraw your application if a willing and qualified American applies?

So tell me why should America give you a greencard when you are just a normal average skilled guy? Why do you use 'best and the brightest' or highly skilled when you have a skill that is too common and average? What makes you valuable to your company that your company wants you permanently? Is it low salary?

You see, this is exactly what anti-immigrants want you to admit and our community is full of idiots who cannot even do good PR and make a good case why they should get greencard. This is why everyone is without a GC and whine all day. No bill will ever come if you have this position about yourself. GC is not a birthright of everyone coming to USA. If you want to fight for it, then have sound reasons for it.

[simple1]

Ok, stop assuming that "only programmers" are applying for GC. I am not a programmer.

Take time, read my post again. I am "highly skilled". My company knows, my clients know it. period. Why the hell should I prove it to you ? Even If I leave today for any reason, my role cannot be filled by USC/GC. That doesn’t make me “extremely highly skilled”; it makes me “highly skilled” in extremely rare area.

I think the labor market test is more important than mythical patent holder or a Book author. Who represent probably <1% of us.

Take time, read the requirements of OP/Admin. He asks for "extremely highly skilled leaving/left usa for visa reasons". Honestly in my 16 year career and 8 years in US, I have never seen even heard of one.

Arguments aside, if you find send PM to Admin.
This will be my last post in this discussion item.

So you are saying unemployed American programmers are not 'highly skilled' They are 'poor skilled' and that is why you passed the Labor Market test?

Don't you realize you are digging your own grave with your arguments and making yourself look weak?
This is to everyone who are arguing about their skills:
If you really passed the 'Labor Market test' , are you willing to have it posted again on the open forum with full details of your company, job requirements etc and be willing to withdraw your application if a willing and qualified American applies?

So tell me why should America give you a greencard when you are just a normal average skilled guy? Why do you use 'best and the brightest' or highly skilled when you have a skill that is too common and average? What makes you valuable to your company that your company wants you permanently? Is it low salary?

[Openarms]

In my opinion,

If you talk about and give examples of only one or two people, they come up with simple solution for those 2 people..not just you and me and lot of other people in this forum and outside of this forum as well.... as an organization you need to project most peoples issues not just one or two...stop projecting people who has "masters degrees", "inventors" and "extremely highly talented" are the ones who can stay in US... they do not need IV to do PR campaign....I thought IV core has come out of those dilemmas long back...IV core needs to focus issues that concern to most people...that is how we can rise contributions.

--> If IV wants to help real folks start making agenda, action item for VISA recapture bill pass and ask people to raise contributions for lobbying.. I am positively sure IV may get donations they ask for...I believe that is what happened for "FOIA Request Action Item" but some how IV core did not take that issue any further (not raising the awareness to congress, media when USCIS asking $5000 for each request to process, and lot of other non sense issues that came with it)

--> If we remember, a conversation with Kojo Namdi show on NPR a few weeks back, all the parties agreed that when US invites people here to work on H1B, they should make easier to get GC. That's the point period... that I would agree... no bu***t crap like "Inventor", "Employer", "Highly Talented"...blah blah....

my 10 cents.

Stop living inside your cubicle and writing code all day. There is a world outside too. Just because you have worked around the system to stay in does not mean everyone is like you.

You are talking exactly how anti-immigrants wants us to talk. Just because you do not know anyone, does not mean nobody knows. I have heard a lot of people going back. We just need to find their contact information.

IV should also look at the thread about Canada Immigration. There are so many people who are planning to go to Canada.

Ok, stop assuming that "only programmers" are applying for GC. I am not a programmer.

Take time, read my post again. I am "highly skilled". My company knows, my clients know it. period. Why the hell should I prove it to you ? Even If I leave today for any reason, my role cannot be filled by USC/GC. That doesn’t make me “extremely highly skilled”; it makes me “highly skilled” in extremely rare area.

I think the labor market test is more important than mythical patent holder or a Book author. Who represent probably <1% of us.

Take time, read the requirements of OP/Admin. He asks for "extremely highly skilled leaving/left usa for visa reasons". Honestly in my 16 year career and 8 years in US, I have never seen even heard of one.

Arguments aside, if you find send PM to Admin.
This will be my last post in this discussion item.

[Openarms]

Listen Mark Bartosik and other pannel's (anti and pro immigrants) comments, you should be able to find audio archive on NPR/WAMU website http://wamu.org ....They all agreed what I have said in my previouse post about GC issuance. See the link for the post details. http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24319

[Openarms]

Here is the audio acrhive http://wamu.org/programs/kn/09/03/12.php

[ganguteli]

In my opinion,

If you talk about and give examples of only one or two people, they come up with simple solution for those 2 people..not just you and me and lot of other people in this forum and outside of this forum as well.... as an organization you need to project most peoples issues not just one or two...stop projecting people who has "masters degrees", "inventors" and "extremely highly talented" are the ones who can stay in US... they do not need IV to do PR campaign....I thought IV core has come out of those dilemmas long back...IV core needs to focus issues that concern to most people...that is how we can rise contributions.

--> If IV wants to help real folks start making agenda, action item for VISA recapture bill pass and ask people to raise contributions for lobbying.. I am positively sure IV may get donations they ask for...I believe that is what happened for "FOIA Request Action Item" but some how IV core did not take that issue any further (not raising the awareness to congress, media when USCIS asking $5000 for each request to process, and lot of other non sense issues that came with it)

--> If we remember, a conversation with Kojo Namdi show on NPR a few weeks back, all the parties agreed that when US invites people here to work on H1B, they should make easier to get GC. That's the point period... that I would agree... no bu***t crap like "Inventor", "Employer", "Highly Talented"...blah blah....

my 10 cents.

If your argument is that you are just a ordinary H1B and you should get your greencard then it is fine. You will get your greencard. But you will have to stand in line and wait however long it takes and you should not complain.

USA needs best and brightest who can innovate, open new companies, create jobs and wealth for the country. What benefit does an average H1B provide to USA?

Don't tell me you pay Taxes. Heck even an undocumented using a fake SSN pays taxes like you. In fact undocumented people do the jobs Americans do not want to do. On the other hand you do jobs that Americans want to do. So what benefit are you providing to USA that USA should introduce a bill and get you your greencard ASAP? So tell me who should get priority? You who is allegedly is stealing jobs according to anti -Immigrants and because you are not ready to go on record saying that you are you are best and brightest or the undocumented who deserves a greencard because he is doing the job nobody wants? Or the best and the brightest only should get greencards and you should wait years and years without greencard.

Just because you have filed your I485 and paid to USCIS does not mean people should give good service and welcome everyone to USA. We need to prove our worth to USA if we want USA to listen to us. If you project yourself as average H1B, then you better go home. Because it does not matter to USA. For one person going home, there are hundreds and thousands willing to come here if they are given a chance. So what is really your worth to USA and why do you deserve a greencard?

[thomachan72]

Pappu I think the guy from google is certainly a top candidate for the interview. Now seems our members are arguing instead of trying to think of somebody who might be worthy of being highlighted. most of us, I agree are truly deserving a GC based on the demand and requirement of our respective industry, however, to put up there on the media we certainly need to bring some guys.
If you have connection with Prof Vivek please post a question to him too. He mentioned that he was a founder of a company and has hired several very qualified individuals.
One another point that pappu you could include in this interview (if possible) is the disability of EB applicants on the everlasting waiting list to really invest in this country, whether it be cars/houses/business partnerships etc etc. sometimes we need not have a bill gates to change things around. it might be the common guy who starts a local software firm/biotech/ whatever that really matters.

[Openarms]

Man I would not go for that low level of argument... just listen to Mark Bartosik interview and learn and come back with all the points they discussed.
Audio acrhive at http://wamu.org/programs/kn/09/03/12.php

[newbie2020]

I met someone few days back from China who was going back to his home country due to visa issues, I don't know too much about him to see if he can take up an interview. I will pm his phone number if someone wants to talk to him

[psaxena]

Hold on , I need to know what is the definition of the extremely high skill, as far as I know I feel my job is fairly simple, but thats me, if I leave a position , the company doesn't get any one for months and months to fill up that. So should I be called extremely high skilled?
But I think my job is simple for me because I am real good at it and I understand the ifs and buts and I can anticipate whats gonna happen with decision taken now in 5 years down the line.

Its not about extremely high skill, its not about guys inventing first phone and car or gravitational force. Its about the story of the guys who are real good at the work and make it look simple when they do it and when others try they just can't even start.

Anyways anyone who knows someone of this types , the story of guys like that are required. Also most of the guys who say they are going back as they have got a better life, most of the time thats not true, they try their level best to stay back and then loose all there hope on the broken system and get a better opportunity they move off.. Talking about guys who move down because of the parents or their wives dun like it here, thats not the case, these are envelopes to cover up the main frustration of things not happening, and then when the things dun move the way they expected, they choose these reason as the key reasons to move back.

my wife has asked me 10000 times to move back to India and I did not , the only reason is things are going good here and I have got a better life, but the moment I loose my hope, I would start saying , " O Man I am going back to my country, my wife ain't like it here"

I know this friend of mine , when he was with delloitte and the company made him run the road every week, and he was not given the appraisal as well and he was stuck with the GC process, he started saying , you know I am gonna go back I want my kid to have proper indian culture and better education , here the kids are indulged in drugs and girls blah blah.. He kept saying I am gonna go back by the start of 2009.. Then end of the 2008 he got a permanent local job and guess what he is still here, and his kid very well is going to the school with the same "drug addicted" kids. And on top of it he feels proud when his son talks in "ENGLISH"

Everyone is always in denial for their failures looking for some excuse or the other, thats human nature. I just can read the story behind envelope and try to get the root cause, thats how I am , but I believe I won't call it a highly skilled.

So chill and try to work towards the solution rather than growling and fight with each other. Every time when posting a thread just think am I a part of the solution or part of the problem by posting the thread. Then very well you yourself will know if you gonna click the "submit reply" button

Ok, stop assuming that "only programmers" are applying for GC. I am not a programmer.

Take time, read my post again. I am "highly skilled". My company knows, my clients know it. period. Why the hell should I prove it to you ? Even If I leave today for any reason, my role cannot be filled by USC/GC. That doesn’t make me “extremely highly skilled”; it makes me “highly skilled” in extremely rare area.

I think the labor market test is more important than mythical patent holder or a Book author. Who represent probably <1% of us.

Take time, read the requirements of OP/Admin. He asks for "extremely highly skilled leaving/left usa for visa reasons". Honestly in my 16 year career and 8 years in US, I have never seen even heard of one.

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Does red and green matters to me?

Arguments aside, if you find send PM to Admin.
This will be my last post in this discussion item.

[h1techSlave]

May be IV can contact Sanjay for the story
here you go...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/business/12immig.html

[Eternal_Hope]

Keeping this on the top.