HR 3012 general discussion since April 2012

[checkmet64]

Just made one time contribution of $500 to immigrationvoice. Paypal Receipt No: 1268-5029-6793-5529.

As mentioned by Pappu, next week is very critical for HR3012, please contribute to IV and spread the word.

GO IV !!

[hello]

Just made one time contribution of $500 to immigrationvoice. Paypal Receipt No: 1268-5029-6793-5529.

As mentioned by Pappu, next week is very critical for HR3012, please contribute to IV and spread the word.

GO IV !!With contribution like this,we"ll win this battle.

[pappu]

Just made one time contribution of $500 to immigrationvoice. Paypal Receipt No: 1268-5029-6793-5529.

As mentioned by Pappu, next week is very critical for HR3012, please contribute to IV and spread the word.

GO IV !!

Thank you very much. Such strong support will go a long way in dedicating more resources towards our goal.

[sanhari]

I agree IV is busy with HR3012. In parallel, can we also push for USCIS to grant indefinite EAD/AP (validity until I-485 is approved/denied), instead of just 1 or 2 year validity. I believe this can be an administrative fix and will save a lot of time and money for USCIS, particularly with the new I485 filing fees there is no fee charged for EAD/AP renewal.

[checkmet64]

I agree IV is busy with HR3012. In parallel, can we also push for USCIS to grant indefinite EAD/AP (validity until I-485 is approved/denied), instead of just 1 or 2 year validity. I believe this can be an administrative fix and will save a lot of time and money for USCIS, particularly with the new I485 filing fees there is no fee charged for EAD/AP renewal.
I do not think its worth diluting the efforts spent on HR3012. We need to focus, else we can run the risk of not achieving both.

[gc_on_demand]

I agree IV is busy with HR3012. In parallel, can we also push for USCIS to grant indefinite EAD/AP (validity until I-485 is approved/denied), instead of just 1 or 2 year validity. I believe this can be an administrative fix and will save a lot of time and money for USCIS, particularly with the new I485 filing fees there is no fee charged for EAD/AP renewal.

Since EAD / AP gives them money while new applciants can't file I 485 why would they stop it ?

Only change they may consider is pre filling I 485 with EAD / AP benefits. but looks like they do that by opening door every 4-5 years and allowing at least 3 -4 years of worth of mass to apply for I 485.

[sanhari]

Well if the I-485 was file on or after Aug 2007 with the new filing fee then no fee is collected by USCIS for EAD/AP renewal, therefore by issuing an indefinite validity EAD/AP (valid until I-485 denial/approval date), USCIS will save lot's of money and effort.

Since EAD / AP gives them money while new applciants can't file I 485 why would they stop it ?

Only change they may consider is pre filling I 485 with EAD / AP benefits. but looks like they do that by opening door every 4-5 years and allowing at least 3 -4 years of worth of mass to apply for I 485.

[checkmet64]

Well if the I-485 was file on or after Aug 2007 with the new filing fee then no fee is collected by USCIS for EAD/AP renewal, therefore by issuing an indefinite validity EAD/AP (valid until I-485 denial/approval date), USCIS will save lot's of money and effort.
This thread is about HR3012 and we need to keep it in the discussion and promote IV efforts for it. The EAD/AP discussion is a transgression from the topic this thread is about and needs to be discussed in the relevant thread.

[muni_k]

keep up the good work!IV helped me immensely during the wait and once I was current. got my green card recently after 10 yrs in the us pd september 2007 EB2.making a one time 100 $ contribution.
Receipt No: 2288-2321-1565-6520

[pappu]

keep up the good work!IV helped me immensely during the wait and once I was current. got my green card recently after 10 yrs in the us pd september 2007 EB2.making a one time 100 $ contribution.
Receipt No: 2288-2321-1565-6520

Thank you and congrats on your greencard.

[neomax]

Contributed $100 (Receipt #: 0575-7178-6928-7528)
Subscribed for $25 for 6 months (Subscription#: S-96U32692VD9940403)

[ramus]

While I have complete faith in IV leaders, your copy/paste doesn't really help anybody..
Most of the time I don't even understand what you trying to say....

[bibliophile2020]

I second it

[bibliophile2020]

Done AI !
Can't let this thread die.

[gcindia123]

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See related S-1EL3691813645362J.
Recuring 25$ for 6 months.

Thanks,
gcindia123

[praskar]

I'm so behind this - do we have any new AI this week or just the same set of AI?

[ravihdesai]

Started recurring contribution.

S-9CT7801201987582D

Paypal ID number.

Hope to get 3012 turn into law.

[pappu]

Started recurring contribution.

S-9CT7801201987582D

Paypal ID number.

Hope to get 3012 turn into law.

Thanks.

[madhu345]

Core Team, There are several people who don't have Donor forum Access, We really appreciate an email update on HR3012 for all the donor members.

[pappu]

There is an embargo on public updates and access to new donors on purpose. This is done in the interest of the bill. We will be revisiting this soon to give access to continuing donors.

[MV2006]

Contributed $100 via Paypal.
transaction ID for this payment is: 88M08050A83657941.

Hope HR3012 is passed soon. Good Luck to all.

[turvi76]

$100 + $9 on letters to congressmen.

[pappu]

Contributed $100 via Paypal.
transaction ID for this payment is: 88M08050A83657941.

Hope HR3012 is passed soon. Good Luck to all.

Thank you.

[rbusgc]

Hi,

I would like to follow up with IV core team regarding the Donor Forum membership, since we are in a kind of quiet period, I don't see a reason why we shouldn't start giving membership to all new donor's.

Thanks,

RB

[ksvreg]

Can someone please advise whether I can do two jobs at the same while was on EAD? The second job is to coordinate offshore in the evening and night. Its full time job with 8 hours in the evening shift. And I would like to apply EB2 with the second job. Appreciate if anyone provide pros and cons. Thanks.

[ksvreg]

Can someone please advise whether I can do two jobs at the same while was on EAD? The second job is to coordinate offshore in the evening and night. Its full time job with 8 hours in the evening shift. And I would like to apply EB2 with the second job. Appreciate if anyone provide pros and cons. Thanks.

Looks like my profile was wrong. It is showing I am EB2 with Sep 2009 priority date. It is wrong. I am on EB3 with 2003 priority date. Looks like some App or database corrupted. I will update the profile anyway.

[checkmet64]

Can someone please advise whether I can do two jobs at the same while was on EAD? The second job is to coordinate offshore in the evening and night. Its full time job with 8 hours in the evening shift. And I would like to apply EB2 with the second job. Appreciate if anyone provide pros and cons. Thanks.

This forum is for HR3012 and for supporting IV in this effort. I am sure there are other avenues to ask your question about EAD/EB2. Please keep the discussion focused on our support for HR3012.

[ksvreg]

Ok.

[checkmet64]

Hi,

I would like to follow up with IV core team regarding the Donor Forum membership, since we are in a kind of quiet period, I don't see a reason why we shouldn't start giving membership to all new donor's.

Thanks,

RB

Please refer to the earlier post from Pappu. There is a reason why IV has an embargo on new donor forum memberships. All we can do is be patient and support IV in all ways possible. As someone had said earlier in this thread " updates and passing of the bill" are probably mutually exclusive. And yes, I am like so many others "a donor and who doesn't have access to donar forum."

[vsrinir]

Thank you.


HR 3012 is my lost hope. IV is working hard. We need to support IV.

But in reality lot of people thinking that there will no more hopes on HR 3012 because this is Election year.

IV is the only one fighting for our cause.

[praskar]

At the end of the day, we have to wait. And do our action items!

[vsrinir]

You are right.

[gumpena]

HR 3012 is my lost hope. IV is working hard. We need to support IV.

But in reality lot of people thinking that there will no more hopes on HR 3012 because this is Election year.

IV is the only one fighting for our cause.

'LOST' or 'LAST'? Or did you literally mean it as a lost hope?

[vsrinir]

'LOST' or 'LAST'? Or did you literally mean it as a lost hope?

Actually I meant " Last " ..but now after seeing your comment...I am considering the word " Lost " also.

One thing is true. IV is working hard for the cause.

[praskar]

As someone has pointed out, it's really a test of patience. But I have utmost confidence in IV, and this isn't dismissed yet. At times like these, retaining talent is everything for the Americans and IV is helping them show that.

[MM_67]

At the end of the day, we have to wait. And do our action items!

Until what time ? Retirement that too with out GC :-)

[go_guy123]

Until what time ? Retirement that too with out GC :-)

If you have US born children they can sponsor you under Family Based Category when they reach 21.

So theoretical waitime for EB3 is like 20-25 years.

[checkmet64]

Until what time ? Retirement that too with out GC :-)

Guys, discussions like these are not helping our's and IVs efforts. So many poster have been cribing about not receiving any updates. When we believe that IV is making efforts, why don't we trust their decision to not provide updates at this time. There IS a reason and STRATEGY behind it. As has been repeatedly pointed out on this forum, law making is a long drawn process, and we HAVE to understand that. So, unless we have anything constructive to write about efforts for passing HR 3012, lets not occupy space on this forum. By not doing action items we may hurt our own cause. So lets use this time to do our action items.

[unluckydude]

If you have US born children they can sponsor you under Family Based Category when they reach 21.

So theoretical waitime for EB3 is like 20-25 years.

no, my wait time is only 11 more years :)

[greyhair]

no, my wait time is only 11 more years :)

Other than making fun of others for your wait time, what else are you doing to fix it?

[praskar]

Guys, discussions like these are not helping our's and IVs efforts. So many poster have been cribing about not receiving any updates. When we believe that IV is making efforts, why don't we trust their decision to not provide updates at this time. There IS a reason and STRATEGY behind it. As has been repeatedly pointed out on this forum, law making is a long drawn process, and we HAVE to understand that. So, unless we have anything constructive to write about efforts for passing HR 3012, lets not occupy space on this forum. By not doing action items we may hurt our own cause. So lets use this time to do our action items.

Amen sister! Well said.

[GC_wait_weary]

Other than making fun of others for your wait time, what else are you doing to fix it?

And you think he is making fun of others because he has to WAIT ONLY 11 years. You are being dickish here.

[coopheal]

If you have US born children they can sponsor you under Family Based Category when they reach 21.

So theoretical waitime for EB3 is like 20-25 years.

:) not if they turn out to be anti-immigration.

[unni79]

Congressmen are back to work!!

I hope Senate takes HR 3012 for voting.

[vsrinir]

Congress will pass 3012 in 3012.
Have faith!

[bibliophile2020]

Don't break my heart. You mean 2012 right!

[turvi76]

Hold your head high and send the right vibes! Congress back in session...WE WILL get through this.
Cheers for a good week ahead!

[praskar]

Congress will pass 3012 in 3012.
Have faith!

You mean 2012?!

[vsrinir]

You mean 2012?!

Yes " 3012" When you see the Congress record any one can guess easily..

[madhu345]

they do break the records time to time like any sports people:)

[Chandini]

"Welcome to America. the land of dreams. Some dreams come true, some don't, but keep on dreamin'. Always time to dream, so keep on dreamin'."

[dts]

Be positive and hopeful. My conscience says H.R.3012 will pass in next few weeks.
Cheers and spread positive waves.

[Saralayar]

Be positive and hopeful. My conscience says H.R.3012 will pass in next few weeks.
Cheers and spread positive waves.


Spread the Positive Energy.... We will get it...........

[MM_67]

Be positive and hopeful. My conscience says H.R.3012 will pass in next few weeks.
Cheers and spread positive waves.

Thanks for the positive energy words. As you said HR3012 has to come true in next few weeks ...All we hope for few weeks of 2012 and not ????

MM67

[madhu345]

It should be before June. If not I think no one will touch this b4 election.

[ajaysri]

Hold your head high and send the right vibes! Congress back in session...WE WILL get through this.
Cheers for a good week ahead!

I did not understand this, can someone please explain. The bill was already passed in congress. Why are we talking about Congress again?

Thanks
Ajaysri

[gcisadawg]

I did not understand this, can someone please explain. The bill was already passed in congress. Why are we talking about Congress again?

Thanks
Ajaysri

Congress is a term used for both senate and the house. It was passed by the house but got stalled in the senate.

[imh1b]

I did not understand this, can someone please explain. The bill was already passed in congress. Why are we talking about Congress again?

Thanks
Ajaysri

It is congress party. We need their support too.:D

[gk_2000]

Grassley supporting this bill ? Will never happen. This bill need to pass without Grassleys' support. If IV core is hoping to get Grassleys' support, it is a waste of time IMO.

No, we are just content praying that the old man will finally croak

[new_horizon]

No, we are just content praying that the old man will finally croak

I understand your deep frustration. But I would advise that we refrain from using such words. We are not evil people, wishing something bad to happen to people who are against us (and should not be seen as one).

We will prevail in the end 'coz we are only seeking fairness and justice.

[dts]

No, we are just content praying that the old man will finally croak

We should not curse anyone, no matter how harmful he is. That is what we learnt from our childhood. Let us wish best for him and hope best for us.

[go_guy123]

Congress will pass 3012 in 3012.
Have faith!

Congress is not enough, HR 3012 needs super majority of 60 to pass.
You cant rule out some filibuster attempt. After all last time it failed in Senate.

[madras1]

Guys,

Please don't have any hopes on HR 3012 passing in this calendar year. We will need to wait at least 3-4 years for any future bills coming. I suggest you look for other avenues to pursue the green card dream.

I don't know how long the porting will be allowed by USCIS. But it is the only option for long waiting EB3 people. My friend has been waiting with Dec 2002 PD. I think I will beat his date with a yet to be applied EB2 porting new application. It is sad, but true.

[GCOP]

Any base or proof to support your statement ? If not keep your assumptions/guess with you. There is no need of personal opinion & it does not help any one. On the contrary it defeats the purpose of this forum & hurts the efforts.

Guys,

Please don't have any hopes on HR 3012 passing in this calendar year. We will need to wait at least 3-4 years for any future bills coming. I suggest you look for other avenues to pursue the green card dream.

I don't know how long the porting will be allowed by USCIS. But it is the only option for long waiting EB3 people. My friend has been waiting with Dec 2002 PD. I think I will beat his date with a yet to be applied EB2 porting new application. It is sad, but true.

[bpratap]

Please do NOT spread Pessimism reg. HR 3012 around, juz because you got a hope of porting to EB2.

IV Core have always recommended to all who are eligible / can port to EB2, should do the EB2 porting. So its nothing new.

Guys,

Please don't have any hopes on HR 3012 passing in this calendar year. We will need to wait at least 3-4 years for any future bills coming. I suggest you look for other avenues to pursue the green card dream.

I don't know how long the porting will be allowed by USCIS. But it is the only option for long waiting EB3 people. My friend has been waiting with Dec 2002 PD. I think I will beat his date with a yet to be applied EB2 porting new application. It is sad, but true.

[greyhair]

Please do NOT spread Pessimism reg. HR 3012 around, juz because you got a hope of porting to EB2.

IV Core have always recommended to all who are eligible / can port to EB2, should do the EB2 porting. So its nothing new.

I understand the sentiment but it is what it is. Don't mean to rain on the parade but it looks like its very tough now. IV core made a sincere effort and they brought the bill this far, which has never happened before. But the truth is that the bill doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Whatever is the outcome, I very much appreciate and applaud their efforts.

[GCOP]

Statement/Clarification from IV Core Team is requested to curb pessimistic assumptions, so called Truth spreading around.
Early Reply from IV core will be appreciated.
Thanks

I understand the sentiment but it is what it is. Don't mean to rain on the parade but it looks like its very tough now. IV core made a sincere effort and they brought the bill this far, which has never happened before. But the truth is that the bill doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Whatever is the outcome, I very much appreciate and applaud their efforts.

[gk_2000]

Go home you guys ... try doing some work in office and quit checking every now and then!

Even if the 3012 passes, remember, you will NOT be immediately affected.. you will have plenty of time to rub your hands later

[chikna]

I started Masters when the HR3012 was introduced; I will be completing Masters in Business in August. My Attorney told me to wait because he was sure that this bill would be passed. Without his knowledge, I joined Masters. In fact, I have an approved I-140 priority date December 2005 under EB3. I have 26 years of IT experience + B.Sc in Physics, Chemistry, and Mathematics. As you all know, I have been on H1B since 1998 and I-485 is yet to be filed.

[dts]

I started Masters when the HR3012 was introduced; I will be completing Masters in Business in August. My Attorney told me to wait because he was sure that this bill would be passed. Without his knowledge, I joined Masters. In fact, I have an approved I-140 priority date December 2005 under EB3. I have 26 years of IT experience + B.Sc in Physics, Chemistry, and Mathematics. As you all know, I have been on H1B since 1998 and I-485 is yet to be filed.


Hope this become true. "My Attorney told me to wait because he was sure that this bill would be passed."
lets be positive. This bill will pass and become law shortly.

[praskar]

I agree the wait is frustrating but I do believe in the end, it will be worth it!

[TO BE OR NO TO BE]

I started Masters when the HR3012 was introduced; I will be completing Masters in Business in August. My Attorney told me to wait because he was sure that this bill would be passed. Without his knowledge, I joined Masters. In fact, I have an approved I-140 priority date December 2005 under EB3. I have 26 years of IT experience + B.Sc in Physics, Chemistry, and Mathematics. As you all know, I have been on H1B since 1998 and I-485 is yet to be filed.

When did your attorney told you that? In fall of 2011 the prospects were very bright....I don't have any insight now so wondering when did your attorney told you to wait for 3012.

[madras1]

Please do NOT spread Pessimism reg. HR 3012 around, juz because you got a hope of porting to EB2.

IV Core have always recommended to all who are eligible / can port to EB2, should do the EB2 porting. So its nothing new.

I am not spreading pessimism. I have donated to IVs advocacy efforts like others here and I appreciate their initiatives to make this work. But I just wanted my fellow EB3-ers to actively look for porting to EB2, if they can.

There are lot of jobs out there. My company has 4 open positions for last 4 months and they could not find right candidates to fill those positions. I have got two job offers, which I used for EB2 negotiation in my current company. So I suggest to fellow EB3ers to get active, if GC is their top priority.

[sadsoul]

June 2012 Visa Bulletin is out and predicts no EB2 movement until Spring 2013.Is immigrationvoice behind this?

I saw the news in Irish Central that Scott Brown announced his inability to get Irish E3 bill passed. That suggested a good groundwork to pass HR 3012 standalone.Now based on the previous data released by USCIS there seemed to be enough visas available but suddenly there is none available even after the new fiscal year.Are they setting the ground for HR 3012 while discussions are made in senate?

[Gandhi_II]

“Under the current laws that we have,” said Shenoy, an Indian immigrant who became a U.S. citizen, “I’m afraid we’ll have real green lawns, but not enough innovation going on.”

Report: Highly skilled immigrants drive job creation for U.S. citizens - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-innovations/report-highly-skilled-immigrants-drive-job-creation-for-us-citizens/2011/12/15/gIQARJgNwO_story.html)

[gk_2000]

“Under the current laws that we have,” said Shenoy, an Indian immigrant who became a U.S. citizen, “I’m afraid we’ll have real green lawns, but not enough innovation going on.”

Report: Highly skilled immigrants drive job creation for U.S. citizens - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-innovations/report-highly-skilled-immigrants-drive-job-creation-for-us-citizens/2011/12/15/gIQARJgNwO_story.html)

Ugh! the comments!

[checkmet64]

Is it the quiet before the storm or lul after the storm or it is just "no news is good news"

[praskar]

With the little I know, I would say "no news is no news", just a question of wait and watch. I know it's frustrating but hey ho, that's life!

[green_mile]

With the little I know, I would say "no news is no news", just a question of wait and watch. I know it's frustrating but hey ho, that's life!

I have been waiting for last 10 years....it may take another 5 years at least to be current.

Which is 3 EAD extensions away... No big deal. Mean time I keep contributing to IV , will participate in advocacy efforts.

[praskar]

Green_mile love, I've been waiting from 1998 meself love, infact you and I have the same PDs, so, as you said, might as well wait a bit longer!

[green_mile]

Green_mile love, I've been waiting from 1998 meself love, infact you and I have the same PDs, so, as you said, might as well wait a bit longer!

It is quite comforting some times to hear from fellow IVians , that I am not fighting this alone.
I saw many people who came to this country before me got their GCs and became citizens, I came to this country in year 2000, applied GC in 2003...may get greened in 2017 at the earliest. Life goes on.

[sanju22577]

It is quite comforting some times to hear from fellow IVians , that I am not fighting this alone.
I saw many people who came to this country before me got their GCs and became citizens, I came to this country in year 2000, applied GC in 2003...may get greened in 2017 at the earliest. Life goes on.

something should be happen in this month before 28 don't worry. hope +vely



Upcoming Senate Immigration- and Refugee-Related Legislative Floor Actions


By Micheal E. Hill
Last Updated on Friday, April 27, 2012 -- 4:55 pm EDT

The following immigration- or refugee-related floor actions could occur in the coming weeks:
Full Senate Could Take Up Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Bill Containing Immigration Provisions: The full Senate could at any time take up S. 1301, the "Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2011". The measure contains a number of provisions relating to alien trafficking victims.
The Senate Committee on the Judiciary approved its version of S. 1301 on October 13, 2011. It was formally reported to the full Senate on November 17, 2011.

At the time of this writing, no date for full Senate consideration of the measure had yet been set.

Full Senate Could Take Up Bill Revising Annual Per-Country Limits for Employment- and Family-Based Immigrant Visas: The full Senate could at any time take up H.R. 3012, the "Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011. As passed by the House of Representatives, the measure would eliminate the annual per-country limitations for employment-based immigrants, and it would increase the annual per-country limitations for family-based immigant visas from 7.5 percent of the total number of available visas to 15 percent of the total number of available visas. The House of Representatives passed H.R. 3012 on November 18, 2011, by a vote of 389-15.

At the time of this writing, no date for either full Senate or Senate Judiciary Committee consideration of the measure had yet been set.

[greyhair]

I can also predict that the bill could pass "anytime". This blog post you copy-pasted was written 2 weeks back, that "anytime" has not arrived yet. I will also start a blog site to predict that you could become a millionaire "anytime", what about that?

There is also a factual inaccuracy in the post. The House of Representatives passed HR3012 on 29th November, 2011. The blog post below says that HR3012 passes the House on 18th November, which is incorrect. Someone needs to get their facts straight.

If you cannot write correct dates when the bill passed the House, how can you know when the bill will pass in the future? Yes, it can happen "anytime" which could mean next month, in next 6 months, in next year or in next 10 years - it could all mean "anytime". What's next - are you talking about earth time or biblical time where 1 day = 1000 years?



something should be happen in this month before 28 don't worry. hope +vely



Upcoming Senate Immigration- and Refugee-Related Legislative Floor Actions


By Micheal E. Hill
Last Updated on Friday, April 27, 2012 -- 4:55 pm EDT

The following immigration- or refugee-related floor actions could occur in the coming weeks:
Full Senate Could Take Up Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Bill Containing Immigration Provisions: The full Senate could at any time take up S. 1301, the "Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2011". The measure contains a number of provisions relating to alien trafficking victims.
The Senate Committee on the Judiciary approved its version of S. 1301 on October 13, 2011. It was formally reported to the full Senate on November 17, 2011.

At the time of this writing, no date for full Senate consideration of the measure had yet been set.

Full Senate Could Take Up Bill Revising Annual Per-Country Limits for Employment- and Family-Based Immigrant Visas: The full Senate could at any time take up H.R. 3012, the "Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011. As passed by the House of Representatives, the measure would eliminate the annual per-country limitations for employment-based immigrants, and it would increase the annual per-country limitations for family-based immigant visas from 7.5 percent of the total number of available visas to 15 percent of the total number of available visas. The House of Representatives passed H.R. 3012 on November 18, 2011, by a vote of 389-15.

At the time of this writing, no date for either full Senate or Senate Judiciary Committee consideration of the measure had yet been set.

[sanju22577]

I can also predict that the bill could pass "anytime". This blog post you copy-pasted was written 2 weeks back, that "anytime" has not arrived yet. I will also start a blog site to predict that you could become a millionaire "anytime", what about that?

There is also a factual inaccuracy in the post. The House of Representatives passed HR3012 on 29th November, 2011. The blog post below says that HR3012 passes the House on 18th November, which is incorrect. Someone needs to get their facts straight.

If you cannot write correct dates when the bill passed the House, how can you know when the bill will pass in the future? Yes, it can happen "anytime" which could mean next month, in next 6 months, in next year or in next 10 years - it could all mean "anytime". What's next - are you talking about earth time or biblical time where 1 day = 1000 years?

u r not greyhair u r greyhound

[sanju_dba]

Just watched the "need to know" episode on Kera.org ( sunday 10am cst )
talking about legal immigration ( pro ) .
"The debate over legal immigration is examined. Included: whether foreign-born technology workers are taking jobs that could go to Americans; why immigrants are more likely to start businesses than non-immigrants. Also: a Jon Meacham essay."

HR 3012 was shown with other stack of bills, and was commented " not comming any time soon".

If any one watched it, can also comment.

Looking to see where i can find a link to the archive.

[bibliophile2020]

This system is rigged by Indians - software companies and individuals. We got this mess on to ourselves and now we are trying to blame US politicians and people for holding up bills like HR 3012. As long as this fraud and abuse is going on nothing will fix the system. There are several physicians with years of medical school, residency and fellowship waiting in EB2 line and people with engineered qualifications get in EB1 and EB2. What a shame! After all how can we forget our old ways from back home. If IV is really interested in fixing employment based immigration system, they need to work on fixing the abuse and fraud first. Even if they give all EB visas to us it won't be enough.
By the way I am an Indian and not ROW

[immigrant2007]

This system is rigged by Indians - software companies and individuals. We got this mess on to ourselves and now we are trying to blame US politicians and people for holding up bills like HR 3012. As long as this fraud and abuse is going on nothing will fix the system. There are several physicians with years of medical school, residency and fellowship waiting in EB2 line and people with engineered qualifications get in EB1 and EB2. What a shame! After all how can we forget our old ways from back home. If IV is really interested in fixing employment based immigration system, they need to work on fixing the abuse and fraud first. Even if they give all EB visas to us it won't be enough.
By the way I am an Indian and not ROW

You are looking at the situation with jaundiced eye. So basically system should not do the enforcement , checking, verification , setting rules and policies to avoid loopholes everything has to be done by us. Can I get the listing of how the GCS were awarded per category per country from 1999 till 2012? How can they approve PERM petitions when the people before PERM are still pending (they were onveniently put in a backlog queue, where was your self consciousness then?), I don't say we all part of problem but its not just Indian, its everycone, everyone who could exploit the system exploited it. Buck always starts and stops with implementor or the guardina of the system not with followers

[greyhair]

This system is rigged by Indians - software companies and individuals. We got this mess on to ourselves and now we are trying to blame US politicians and people for holding up bills like HR 3012. As long as this fraud and abuse is going on nothing will fix the system. There are several physicians with years of medical school, residency and fellowship waiting in EB2 line and people with engineered qualifications get in EB1 and EB2. What a shame! After all how can we forget our old ways from back home. If IV is really interested in fixing employment based immigration system, they need to work on fixing the abuse and fraud first. Even if they give all EB visas to us it won't be enough.
By the way I am an Indian and not ROW

So according to you, because you have been waiting, so all others ahead of you must be fraud and all others must have somehow scammed the system? Per your post, only you are the deserving one because you are a doctor and all other "indians" must wait because if someone is "indian" then she/he must have been abused by their employer? Is that what you are trying to say?

A while back, someone on these forums said that everyone here sees the system (and the world) based on their own personal situation and everyone wants to change the system to best suit their own situation. And in the process, every one leaves no chance to claim that they are victim of the backlog because everyone else is fraud/abused.

This observation is so real, its pretty much evident and applicable in every post on all immigration forums. Your post is no different.

[unbeatensujoy]

I have doubt about the @bibliophile2020 . Look at his Join date. That is near HR3012 rally. May be a spy from opposition. Who is trying to get GC badly. But when it is getting delayed then starts blaming others for fraud and mainly Indians (in another post). Its @bibliophile2020 's frustation. Please ignore. US govt has enough checkpoints and Laws to check fraud. They don't need to depend on @bibliophile2020 's frustation.

[bibliophile2020]

Well looks like some one is taking notice. Sen.Grasley is holding on to HR3012 like a dog unto a bone.

[greyhair]

Well looks like some one is taking notice. Sen.Grasley is holding on to HR3012 like a dog unto a bone.

And you are the one getting screwed by Sen. Grassley. You seem to be enjoying getting screwed, guess you don't have a choice, do you?

[checkmet64]

Hi Guys,

This kind of discussion is not helping anything at all. I know this is a frustrating period right now as the bill is not getting tabled. We are not achieving anything by pointing fingers at each other. The fact is HR3012 will help a lot of people, of course like anything else there will be some bad apples. But this should not distract us from our efforts which will help the larger community in general.

Please do not stop doing IV action items and contributing. Remember what the british taugh us "divided we fall."

[happyfeet]

I am still having hope and support IV.
I was looking in the US senate site and HR 3012 is not even mentioned in the active legislation. What does this mean?

Active Legislation

112th Congress (2011-2012)
Updated May 16, 2012

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Active Legislation (http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/b_three_sections_with_teasers/active_leg_page.htm)

What is the likely chance that HR3012 will come for voting?

[greencard.wait]

What I am getting here, Republicans are in favor of immigration and not Democrats.

I don't have much hope with HR 3012 as i am not seeing any more updates from IV core team. People already donated money to IV including me. I know I will get many negative comments for this but I just want to wake up IV core team.

[GCOP]

Not a detailed update but just a short message about the fact/status from IV Core team will be really helpful whether there is a chance for this bill to become a law or not ? That input from IV can still keep our hopes alive.
Thanks

What I am getting here, Republicans are in favor of immigration and not Democrats.

I don't have much hope with HR 3012 as i am not seeing any more updates from IV core team. People already donated money to IV including me. I know I will get many negative comments for this but I just want to wake up IV core team.

[deepakd]

Not a detailed update but just a short message about the fact/status from IV Core team will be really helpful whether there is a chance for this bill to become a law or not ? That input from IV can still keep our hopes alive.
Thanks

No news is bad news in this case means status quo..

[go_guy123]

What I am getting here, Republicans are in favor of immigration and not Democrats.

I don't have much hope with HR 3012 as i am not seeing any more updates from IV core team. People already donated money to IV including me. I know I will get many negative comments for this but I just want to wake up IV core team.

You are getting it. Democratic party wants immigratyion but only for undocumented.
Deam Act, CIR, state version of Dream act are now in many states....

[dts]

No news is bad news in this case means status quo..

Right. I was also very hopeful and positive so far.
But seems like No news is bad news.
3012 seems in coma, if not dead.

[sanju22577]

Right. I was also very hopeful and positive so far.
But seems like No news is bad news.
3012 seems in coma, if not dead.


Not in coma its in larva stage. It need some time to come out :) ~

[pappu]

..What I am getting here, Republicans are in favor of immigration and not Democrats.

I don't have much hope with HR 3012 as i am not seeing any more updates from IV core team. People already donated money to IV including me. I know I will get many negative comments for this but I just want to wake up IV core team.

IV core team and several of its volunteer members have been awake and burning midnight oil more than regular days in the last few months. There is nothing any public campaign and action item can achieve at this time. It is all now more focused advocacy work. This is why there is no public updates. Getting a bill passed takes a lot of time and effort. Wish it was easy but even to bring into house, we spent one whole year of focused hard work. Publicly on forums people only saw it a couple of weeks of work and action items. The only action item at this time is to support this organization continue this hard work to bring our end goal closer.. Please subscribe to monthly contribution if you have not. We are confident that with everyone's continued support we may we able to post public update for bringing relief soon enough. We all just need patience and faith. Nothing is impossible if there is a will.

[GCOP]

Pappu, Thanks for your post & continued advocacy efforts which will turn in to success hopefully, In near future.

..

IV core team and several of its volunteer members have been awake and burning midnight oil more than regular days in the last few months. There is nothing any public campaign and action item can achieve at this time. ............ We all just need patience and faith. Nothing is impossible if there is a will.

[dhakaldoo]

..

Nothing is impossible if there is a will.

Did you mean "if there is a Bill"?? :D just kidding.
Thanks for the update :) Go IV

[checkmet64]

..

IV core team and several of its volunteer members have been awake and burning midnight oil more than regular days in the last few months. There is nothing any public campaign and action item can achieve at this time. It is all now more focused advocacy work. This is why there is no public updates. Getting a bill passed takes a lot of time and effort. Wish it was easy but even to bring into house, we spent one whole year of focused hard work. Publicly on forums people only saw it a couple of weeks of work and action items. The only action item at this time is to support this organization continue this hard work to bring our end goal closer.. Please subscribe to monthly contribution if you have not. We are confident that with everyone's continued support we may we able to post public update for bringing relief soon enough. We all just need patience and faith. Nothing is impossible if there is a will.

I totally agree. Members need to realise that asking for regular updates can only harm our task at hand. Thanks to IVs hard work that my little contribution is worth something, and thats true for all of us. Divided we can not even get the legislation written on a piece of paper with the kind of money we have contributed. Our unity is our strength. We need to respect IVs efforts and support in all ways possible.

On the side note, in response to Pappu's call, I am trying to initiate a recurring contribution. I want to not have to go through Paypal and simply use my credit card. Everytime I am trying to do this, Paypal tries to create an account, and since I have used my credit card here before doesnot let me use the credit card. Am I missing something?

[new_horizon]

I would suggest creating a paypal account if you do frequent online shopping or payments. You just need to give your credit card info to one website instead of to several websites for online shopping. Most of the websites have option to pay through paypal. Since paypal is primarily into this payment type of business my assumption is they would provide the maximum security in keeping your credit card information. Also when you pay through paypal they sent you a authentication code to your cell phone just to make sure you are the authorized holder of the credit card. Just some info to consider.
:)

IV is working hard though we may not see them post in open forums. Together we can succeed. Only thing rest of us folks can do now is to contribute financially to the advocacy efforts, and promote IV on social network sites such as fb, twitter, etc and create more awareness.


I totally agree. Members need to realise that asking for regular updates can only harm our task at hand. Thanks to IVs hard work that my little contribution is worth something, and thats true for all of us. Divided we can not even get the legislation written on a piece of paper with the kind of money we have contributed. Our unity is our strength. We need to respect IVs efforts and support in all ways possible.

On the side note, in response to Pappu's call, I am trying to initiate a recurring contribution. I want to not have to go through Paypal and simply use my credit card. Everytime I am trying to do this, Paypal tries to create an account, and since I have used my credit card here before doesnot let me use the credit card. Am I missing something?

[happyfeet]

I read this article about the protest in 2007.
Will it be a better option to do some thing similar to this now.

Immigration July 17, 2007, 12:01AM EST
The Gandhi Protests Pay Off
Facing political pressure and legal action, the U.S. government may speed up green-card processing and make more slots available
by Moira Herbst
After two weeks of protests by high-skilled immigrants over a broken promise to expedite the processing of green cards, the White House has approached immigration advocacy groups to work out a compromise. While the talks are ongoing and could still break down, the government is likely to reverse a July 2 decision to refuse more permanent residency applications, and will likely begin accepting them in the next few days. "I think they are determined to fix the situation," says Charles Kuck, president-elect of the American Immigration Lawyers Assn.

[checkmet64]

I would suggest creating a paypal account if you do frequent online shopping or payments. You just need to give your credit card info to one website instead of to several websites for online shopping. Most of the websites have option to pay through paypal. Since paypal is primarily into this payment type of business my assumption is they would provide the maximum security in keeping your credit card information. Also when you pay through paypal they sent you a authentication code to your cell phone just to make sure you are the authorized holder of the credit card. Just some info to consider.
:)

IV is working hard though we may not see them post in open forums. Together we can succeed. Only thing rest of us folks can do now is to contribute financially to the advocacy efforts, and promote IV on social network sites such as fb, twitter, etc and create more awareness.

Thanks. But I like the freedom of not having to go through a third party everytime, unless there is an obvious advantage. Plus I am not a big (online) shopper..;)

On a serious note though, I have found out that creating a paypal account itself is not hassle free by itself. For now I will try to find out a workaround.

[pappu]

Thanks. But I like the freedom of not having to go through a third party everytime, unless there is an obvious advantage. Plus I am not a big (online) shopper..;)

On a serious note though, I have found out that creating a paypal account itself is not hassle free by itself. For now I will try to find out a workaround.

You can also mail the check to IV address.

[sanju22577]

:):):):):):):)

[deepakd]

Is this bill dead ? No updates ?

[dhakaldoo]

Is this bill dead ? No updates ?

I think the bill is alive and kicking. Have faith and support IV! :)

[praskar]

I agree. At this point ,we know what we know. We just have to keep the faith!

[newdif]

I have strong faith too. I could sense something big is happening. Let's keep supporting IV!

[pardesibabu]

The bill can move if Dems win majority in House and Senate and Obama is reelected. Otherwise, both GOP and Dems will keep playing politics on immigration without any real change.

[krupa]

You can also mail the check to IV address.


Even though I paid $100/- from my credit my account shows in RED color Why ?

[krupa]

Even though I paid $100/- from my credit my account shows in RED color Why ?



Earlier about 2 days ago I posted same question and that is removed from the administrator , please do not remove this post till status get changed

KRUPA

[krupa]

Even though I paid $100/- from my credit my account shows in RED color Why ?

Please read this as " Even though I paid $100/- from my credit card , but my account account shows in RED color Why ? , Does this mean I did not donate any amount. My credit card account shows as paid.

[chikna]

I have been in RED since day one. You should post +ve messages and vice versa.

[chikna]

I have been in RED since day one. You should post +ve messages and vice versa.

correction: should post +ve comments, and not vice versa

Why can't we edit our posts?

[rudrasg79]

The bill can move if Dems win majority in House and Senate and Obama is reelected. Otherwise, both GOP and Dems will keep playing politics on immigration without any real change.

The bill can even move with a Republican win and a Republican majority. Dems are not necessarily pro high skilled immigration though Obama is.

End of the day both parties play for their vote bases and currently the base on both sides is resentful against high skilled immigration (or any immigration). Check any comments section on any article about high skilled immigration.

This is why nobody is sticking out their necks for this bill in the Senate, even though if brought to a vote it will probably pass.

[deepakd]

Not meaning to offend anyone but without any hint or update, I'd say it is just "blind faith".

I assume no news is status quo..

[shyamuk1235]

E-3 visa bill finally dicthed us and going alone....
E3 backers will try again for visa bill (http://irishecho.com/?p=71868)

Will this help us eventually?

Where are we with our bill?

[bibliophile2020]

I consulted my Jyotish, he inturn consulted his pet parrot. He says that the stars are going to align perfectly and that HR 3012 is going to pass the senate by the end of the next month:)

[bibliophile2020]

Sorry guys, I can't help but to come up with some humor out of pitiful situation we are in.

[thomachan72]

Sorry guys, I can't help but to come up with some humor out of pitiful situation we are in.

Laughter is the best medicine :D

[gk_2000]

I consulted my Jyotish, he inturn consulted his pet parrot. He says that the stars are going to align perfectly and that HR 3012 is going to pass the senate by the end of the next month:)

parrot.. meaning.. popat?

[DallasBlue]

HR3012 is Part of 'Encourage Entrepreneurship and Growth' , the gentlemen Senator from Iowa should remove the hold , because ,


HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors and programmers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bloster the housing loans)
will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now, improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving
will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy

This is a republican sponsored bill and has bipartisan support

[thomachan72]

Lets hope he does that. Unfortunately logic is not what directs actions at the capitol :mad: Hopefully IVs efforts will pay off.

[senram]

Probably there is chance upto Aug or September because of election. Final chance is lame duck session on end of the year. Lame duck session is the one when many bills were passed swiftly in past.

I consulted my Jyotish, he inturn consulted his pet parrot. He says that the stars are going to align perfectly and that HR 3012 is going to pass the senate by the end of the next month:)

[giri26]

05/23/2012: STARTUP Act, S.3217, Introduced in the Senate on 05/22/2012 by Five (5) Senators (Bi-Partisan)

U.S. Senator Jerry Moran (R-Kan.), cosponsored by four other Senators, Mark Warner (D-Va.), along with Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Chris Coons (D-Del.), and Sen. Blunt, introduced yesterday Startup Act 2.0 – bipartisan legislation that picks up where the JOBS Act left off by doing more to jumpstart the economy through the creation and growth of new businesses. Startup Act 2.0 builds upon the original Startup Act, introduced by Sens. Moran and Warner in December 2011, and the AGREE Act, introduced by Sens. Coons and Rubio in November 2011.
Startup Act 2.0 includes the following provisions:
Creates a new STEM visa so that U.S.-educated foreign students, who graduate with a master’s or Ph.D. in science, technology, engineering or mathematics, can receive a green card and stay in this country where their talent and ideas can fuel growth and create American jobs;
Creates an Entrepreneur’s Visa for legal immigrants, so they can remain in the United States, launch businesses and create jobs;
Eliminates the per-country caps for employment-based immigrant visas – which hinder U.S. employers from recruiting the top-tier talent they need to grow;
Makes permanent the exemption of capital gains taxes on the sale of startup stock held for at least five years – so investors can provide financial stability at a critical juncture of firm growth;
Creates a targeted research and development tax credit for young startups less than five years old and with less than $5 million in annual receipts. This R&D credit is designed to allow startups to offset employee taxes – freeing up resources to help these young companies expand and create jobs;
Uses existing federal R&D funding to support university initiatives designed to bring cutting-edge research to the marketplace more quickly where it can propel economic growth;
Requires all government agencies to conduct a cost-benefit analysis of all proposed “major rules” with an economic impact of $100 million or more. This new requirement will help determine the efficacy of regulations and their potential impact on the formation and growth of new businesses; and
Directs the U.S. Department of Commerce to assess state and local policies that aid in the development of new businesses. Through the publication of reports on new business formation and the entrepreneurial environment, lawmakers will be better equipped to encourage entrepreneurship with the most successful policies.
Please note that this bill includes elimination of per country limit for employment-based immigrant visas, which is currently stuck in the Senate in the form of H.R. 3012. Please also note that one of the co-sponsors is Senator Marco Rubio who is expected to introduce a watered-down DREAM bill in the Senate soon. The immigrant community was curious whether Senator Rubio will tie two bills (STARTUP bill and DREAM bill) together to make both bills successfully pass the Congress, but report indicates that Senator Rubio wants to see each of these two bills go on its separate and own path and separate merit. Hmm..... Interesting. Please stay tuned for the full text of the bill.

[sanju22577]

05/23/2012: STARTUP Act, S.3217, Introduced in the Senate on 05/22/2012 by Five (5) Senators (Bi-Partisan)

U.S. Senator Jerry Moran (R-Kan.), cosponsored by four other Senators, Mark Warner (D-Va.), along with Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Chris Coons (D-Del.), and Sen. Blunt, introduced yesterday Startup Act 2.0 – bipartisan legislation that picks up where the JOBS Act left off by doing more to jumpstart the economy through the creation and growth of new businesses. Startup Act 2.0 builds upon the original Startup Act, introduced by Sens. Moran and Warner in December 2011, and the AGREE Act, introduced by Sens. Coons and Rubio in November 2011.
Startup Act 2.0 includes the following provisions:
Creates a new STEM visa so that U.S.-educated foreign students, who graduate with a master’s or Ph.D. in science, technology, engineering or mathematics, can receive a green card and stay in this country where their talent and ideas can fuel growth and create American jobs;
Creates an Entrepreneur’s Visa for legal immigrants, so they can remain in the United States, launch businesses and create jobs;
Eliminates the per-country caps for employment-based immigrant visas – which hinder U.S. employers from recruiting the top-tier talent they need to grow;
Makes permanent the exemption of capital gains taxes on the sale of startup stock held for at least five years – so investors can provide financial stability at a critical juncture of firm growth;
Creates a targeted research and development tax credit for young startups less than five years old and with less than $5 million in annual receipts. This R&D credit is designed to allow startups to offset employee taxes – freeing up resources to help these young companies expand and create jobs;
Uses existing federal R&D funding to support university initiatives designed to bring cutting-edge research to the marketplace more quickly where it can propel economic growth;
Requires all government agencies to conduct a cost-benefit analysis of all proposed “major rules” with an economic impact of $100 million or more. This new requirement will help determine the efficacy of regulations and their potential impact on the formation and growth of new businesses; and
Directs the U.S. Department of Commerce to assess state and local policies that aid in the development of new businesses. Through the publication of reports on new business formation and the entrepreneurial environment, lawmakers will be better equipped to encourage entrepreneurship with the most successful policies.
Please note that this bill includes elimination of per country limit for employment-based immigrant visas, which is currently stuck in the Senate in the form of H.R. 3012. Please also note that one of the co-sponsors is Senator Marco Rubio who is expected to introduce a watered-down DREAM bill in the Senate soon. The immigrant community was curious whether Senator Rubio will tie two bills (STARTUP bill and DREAM bill) together to make both bills successfully pass the Congress, but report indicates that Senator Rubio wants to see each of these two bills go on its separate and own path and separate merit. Hmm..... Interesting. Please stay tuned for the full text of the bill.


its election drama only hope in H R 3012

[CaliHoneB]

When the Irish visa bill was in full swing didn't our beloved senator from Iowa say that he will remove the hold on H.R.3012 if Irish bill is modified in certain way? Since there is no Irish bill shouldn't the senator remove the hold now? Of course I don't expect anyone on this forum to know the answer but I am just wondering..


HR3012 is Part of 'Encourage Entrepreneurship and Growth' , the gentlemen Senator from Iowa should remove the hold , because ,


HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors and programmers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bloster the housing loans)
will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now, improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving
will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy

This is a republican sponsored bill and has bipartisan support

[go_guy123]

When the Irish visa bill was in full swing didn't our beloved senator from Iowa say that he will remove the hold on H.R.3012 if Irish bill is modified in certain way? Since there is no Irish bill shouldn't the senator remove the hold now? Of course I don't expect anyone on this forum to know the answer but I am just wondering..

Irish Bill was just an excuse. Sen Grassley is in war with H1B visas....Period.

As such he is co sponsor to another immigration bill S.3245 to permanently reauthorize the EB-5 Regional Center Program, the E-Verify Program, the Special Immigrant Nonminister Religious Worker Program, and the Conrad State 30 J-1 Visa Waiver Program for International Medical Graduates.

He has no problem with immigration on the whole, just that he has issues with H1B , EB.

[Gandhi_II]

Ron Hira clearly has an influence on Senator Grassley. Perhaps we need to work with him to figure out what needs to be done to the system to attract the best and brightest. Obstructionist tactics to reform will be bad for the immigration system and for the US in the long run:

Ron Hira Provides Answers to Senator Grassley that Strengthen His Testimony Refuting Shortage Claims - Science Careers Blog (http://blogs.sciencemag.org/sciencecareers/2011/09/answers-for-sen.html)

[senram]

The problem of companies like Microsoft,Oracle,Cisco,HP and Intel is they will do layoffs ruthlessly and next day they will give a statement that there is a Shortage of skills. That is the main reason Congress lost trust in their statements for past several years.Really the job opportunities and growth are in medium companies and startups. So if you rely on the influence of big tech companies for passing a immigration bill that is going to be difficult. Need to get accurate scientific data to prove there is a shortage of skills to pass bills like STEM. Otherwise anti immigrants will have upper hand on the data and will prevent any immigration bill.

Ron Hira clearly has an influence on Senator Grassley. Perhaps we need to work with him to figure out what needs to be done to the system to attract the best and brightest. Obstructionist tactics to reform will be bad for the immigration system and for the US in the long run:

Ron Hira Provides Answers to Senator Grassley that Strengthen His Testimony Refuting Shortage Claims - Science Careers Blog (http://blogs.sciencemag.org/sciencecareers/2011/09/answers-for-sen.html)

[bigboy007]

The problem of companies like Microsoft,Oracle,Cisco,HP and Intel is they will do layoffs ruthlessly and next day they will give a statement that there is a Shortage of skills. That is the main reason Congress lost trust in their statements for past several years.Really the job opportunities and growth are in medium companies and startups. So if you rely on the influence of big tech companies for passing a immigration bill that is going to be difficult. Need to get accurate scientific data to prove there is a shortage of skills to pass bills like STEM. Otherwise anti immigrants will have upper hand on the data and will prevent any immigration bill.

Person writing this doesnt understand the world of enterprise. Enterprise will never lose any talent that drives its business. They layoff sales, marketing and commodity resources. All the scarcity is in filling that talent, that is most important to business e.g. R&D. Just becoz they announced say for e.g. 2k layoffs doesnt mean they wont hire next day for critical sr. software engineer... Plans change every year based on market direction, i am not supporting their action but thats how enterprise runs. But there is always one data that will bite antis data if you stop immigration i know many companies which moved complete operations to Asian countries. Now is that good to US ? Never. There are many senators and congressman who understands this. Anyone saying otherwise will see the difference if not now.

[bigboy007]

Again our many ppl who are opposing current bills voted +vely on many immigration bills in the past including amnesty bills. So they change tunes based on what makes most sense to their donors. Its more than just winning against arguments.

[deepakd]

Is HR-3012 dead ?

[vsrinir]

The answer is " NO". But in reality we can feel what you said.

[deepakd]

Really looking upto IV for any update.
Don't want to act on any blind faith.

[snthampi]

Is HR-3012 dead ?

Unfortunately yes. People can argue and give inspirational speeches. But, the truth of the matter is that it is dead (killed).

[gk_2000]

$ ^Z
$ bg

[dts]

Unfortunately yes. People can argue and give inspirational speeches. But, the truth of the matter is that it is dead (killed).

if it is taking last breaths, IV should start final do or die efforts like flower compaign or rally or something else..
Nothing to loose on our side..

[checkmet64]

..

IV core team and several of its volunteer members have been awake and burning midnight oil more than regular days in the last few months. There is nothing any public campaign and action item can achieve at this time. It is all now more focused advocacy work. This is why there is no public updates. Getting a bill passed takes a lot of time and effort. Wish it was easy but even to bring into house, we spent one whole year of focused hard work. Publicly on forums people only saw it a couple of weeks of work and action items. The only action item at this time is to support this organization continue this hard work to bring our end goal closer.. Please subscribe to monthly contribution if you have not. We are confident that with everyone's continued support we may we able to post public update for bringing relief soon enough. We all just need patience and faith. Nothing is impossible if there is a will.

Less than two weeks back we recieved an update from IV. Moreover, IV has said this repeatedly and it should be obvious to all IV members that giving out regular updates on public forum is detrimental for the cause at hand. I am confident that if there is an update that needs to be shared IV will share it regardless. I believe we can use this time more productively; anyway if IV says the effort has failed what else do you have? Please use this time to spread the work and advocate active support.

[senram]

It is not dead but stalled. It will be dead if it is failed in Senate vote or not taken until end of the year. Even if it is not passed in this year next year chance is bright as new congress comes. But I think there will be lot of discussion and negotiations in the background for this bill and also Irish E2 Visa bill in the coming months. Those times IV volunteers can work and try to push as much as possible.

if it is taking last breaths, IV should start final do or die efforts like flower compaign or rally or something else..
Nothing to loose on our side..

[sanju22577]

Unfortunately yes. People can argue and give inspirational speeches. But, the truth of the matter is that it is dead (killed).

if it dead it will rise............ every death have a resurrection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p:p:p: p:p:p:p:p:p

[snthampi]

if it dead it will rise............ every death have a resurrection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p:p:p: p:p:p:p:p:p

Ya, Viagra helps resurrection of the dead, for real!!!

[sanju22577]

Ya, Viagra helps resurrection of the dead, for real!!!

Yes for HR 3012 viagra is IV Core

[madhu345]

I think we need to take it to next level raise awareness within our community and seek more support. I think our community leaders should demand 3012 during election campaign and fundraising events.

[sanju22577]

:confused:before labor day H.R 3012:confused::confused::confused:

yes :o:D:o:D:o:D:o:D:o:D:o:cool::cool::cool::cool::coo l::cool:

[green_mile]

:confused:before labor day H.R 3012:confused::confused::confused:

yes :o:D:o:D:o:D:o:D:o:D:o:cool::cool::cool::cool::coo l::cool:


Until HR3012 came in to the picture, I had zero knowledge of American legislature process. Now I know atleast 5% of the process, and feel like is not an easy task to take the issue and make the lawmakers to hear your views let alone bringing the bill to the endless process of commitee/house/senate approvals.

This process requires dedicated representatives from immigration community. If you ask yoyurself a question about who is doing this, these are unsung heroes of IV Core. I felt like all other members including myself is not supporting the efforts of these guys enough.

We don't know all the background efforts of IV core, all we see is the end results (ex: House approval of the bill) , honestly minimum every one else can do is support the IV financially ( one of the easiest task) to keep the engine running.

Most of the IV core is already GC holders and they are taking their personal time to fight for fellow immigrants . I have 100% faith that one day HR3012 will become law and we all will enjoy the fruits of the fairness in process. Mean time all I can do is support the IV and help the soldiers (IV core) to fight for us.

If you feel like you have a stake in this fight please contribute to IV.

[DallasBlue]

contribute and do the action items.

S.1857/HR3012 is Part of 'Encourage Entrepreneurship and Growth' Agenda, the gentleman Senator from Iowa should remove the hold , because ,
S.1857/HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bloster the housing loans and banks here)
will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now, improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy

persistence , persistence , persistence and only persistence with HR3012

HR3012 serves national interest


ImmigrationVoice.org - Advocacy -- Request your leadership to support HR 3012 Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act (http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=57856511)

[mantagon]

...this is the least one should do!

It just amazes me to see how some people are so myopic in their views so as to not see that even just to take up these issues to this level, requires tremendous efforts and resources on IV's core's part. Success or failure is just a by-product. Even a one-time contribution can go a long way...so please consider it! Thank you!:)

Go IV!

Until HR3012 came in to the picture, I had zero knowledge of American legislature process. Now I know atleast 5% of the process, and feel like is not an easy task to take the issue and make the lawmakers to hear your views let alone bringing the bill to the endless process of commitee/house/senate approvals.

This process requires dedicated representatives from immigration community. If you ask yoyurself a question about who is doing this, these are unsung heroes of IV Core. I felt like all other members including myself is not supporting the efforts of these guys enough.

We don't know all the background efforts of IV core, all we see is the end results (ex: House approval of the bill) , honestly minimum every one else can do is support the IV financially ( one of the easiest task) to keep the engine running.

Most of the IV core is already GC holders and they are taking their personal time to fight for fellow immigrants . I have 100% faith that one day HR3012 will become law and we all will enjoy the fruits of the fairness in process. Mean time all I can do is support the IV and help the soldiers (IV core) to fight for us.

If you feel like you have a stake in this fight please contribute to IV.

[Orthodox]

I am not sure, how far this is true. But this article says that Sen. Charles E. Grassley is ready to drop his hold on HR 3012. If this news is genuine, then this is a Gr8 news..:cool:. Congress returns next Monday, let's see how this unfolds...

Beverly Hills Immigration Law: Smith, Griffin Seek to Ease Path for Highly Skilled Foreign Workers (http://beverlyhillsimmigrationlaw.blogspot.com/2012/05/smith-griffin-seek-to-ease-path-for.html)

[green_mile]

I am not sure, how far this is true. But this article says that Sen. Charles E. Grassley is ready to drop his hold on HR 3012. If this news is genuine, then this is a Gr8 news..:cool:. Congress returns next Monday, let's see how this unfolds...

Beverly Hills Immigration Law: Smith, Griffin Seek to Ease Path for Highly Skilled Foreign Workers (http://beverlyhillsimmigrationlaw.blogspot.com/2012/05/smith-griffin-seek-to-ease-path-for.html)

He is been telling that from december , he is proposing unsustainable changes to the H1B program in return, with his amendments , H1-B program as a whole would be dead and no one in their right mind would agree for it, and he knows it.

[dts]

It is not dead but stalled. It will be dead if it is failed in Senate vote or not taken until end of the year. Even if it is not passed in this year next year chance is bright as new congress comes. But I think there will be lot of discussion and negotiations in the background for this bill and also Irish E2 Visa bill in the coming months. Those times IV volunteers can work and try to push as much as possible.


Agree. I take my negative views back and again in +ve spirit. My conscience tells something is really going in background and Grassley will remove hold in next few weeks and H.R.3012 will become law of fairness, law of justice.
Keep supporting IV as much as we can.

[Gandhi_II]

I'm surprised more people have not shared Stuart Anderson's article from last year. Spread the word folks - Stuart Anderson's article articulates the issue better than most:

Obscure Immigration Provision Forces Some Skilled Immigrants to Wait Decades for Green Card - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2011/10/09/obscure-immigration-provision-forces-some-skilled-immigrants-to-wait-decades-for-green-card/)

[husamymd]

if it is taking last breaths, IV should start final do or die efforts like flower compaign or rally or something else..
Nothing to loose on our side..
why give false hope to people by telling what they think they want to hear?

[raamskl]

Is this for real, can't find any other source though.. This would be nice :)

Coveted visas are harder to get for tech startups - Michelle Quinn - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/76996.html)

[Suva]

Yes it says the hold is lifted. Is this true?

Is this for real, can't find any other source though.. This would be nice :)

Coveted visas are harder to get for tech startups - Michelle Quinn - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/76996.html)

[madhu345]

I doubt, Looks like he don't want anyone fixing Legal Immigration issues.

Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa sent a letter to the Controller General of the GAO of the U.S. Government requesting to investigate the current 29-month F-1 student OPT program. Two of the grounds for the request for investigation appear to focus on the instance of a Pakistani national who attempted a terroristic bomb in Town , New York who was one time in the OPT status, and the 29-month OPT program practically expands the number of skilled foreign workers available undermining the annual cap of H-1B visa program which he is troubled with. Please read the full text of this letter.
It is not clear as to what has motivated the Senator to initiate the investigation request, but it may have something to do with the late Obama Administration's launch of administrative fix of broken employment-based immigration by explanding availability of skilled foreign workers beyond the H-1B annual cap through expansion of so-called STEM list. STEM degree OPTs can extend their OPT beyond 12 months and upto 29 months altogether. This probably is taken by the Senator as bypassing the annual cap of H-1B professional foreign workers, which he is seriously troubled with.

[DallasBlue]

I doubt, Looks like he don't want anyone fixing Legal Immigration issues.

Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa sent a letter to the Controller General of the GAO of the U.S. Government requesting to investigate the current 29-month F-1 student OPT program. Two of the grounds for the request for investigation appear to focus on the instance of a Pakistani national who attempted a terroristic bomb in Town , New York who was one time in the OPT status, and the 29-month OPT program practically expands the number of skilled foreign workers available undermining the annual cap of H-1B visa program which he is troubled with. Please read the full text of this letter.
It is not clear as to what has motivated the Senator to initiate the investigation request, but it may have something to do with the late Obama Administration's launch of administrative fix of broken employment-based immigration by explanding availability of skilled foreign workers beyond the H-1B annual cap through expansion of so-called STEM list. STEM degree OPTs can extend their OPT beyond 12 months and upto 29 months altogether. This probably is taken by the Senator as bypassing the annual cap of H-1B professional foreign workers, which he is seriously troubled with.

Grassley only recently lifted a hold on a bill by Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) that would eliminate the employment-based per-country visa cap. A spokesperson for Grassley said the senator “supports legal immigration opportunities and works for measures to prevent fraud in immigration programs.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/76996.html#ixzz1wpUGHq7b

[CaliHoneB]

I got so excited that the hold is gone but I know things aren't that easy for eb3s. The hold is still in effect as per the following link..sorry

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-112scal-2012-06-04/pdf/CCAL-112scal-2012-06-04-pt7.pdf



Grassley only recently lifted a hold on a bill by Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) that would eliminate the employment-based per-country visa cap. A spokesperson for Grassley said the senator “supports legal immigration opportunities and works for measures to prevent fraud in immigration programs.”

Read more: Coveted visas are harder to get for tech startups - Michelle Quinn - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/76996.html#ixzz1wpUGHq7b)

[manchala]

Some inspiring notes...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/nipun-mehta-founder-of-se_n_1521485.html

[TO BE OR NO TO BE]

Grassley only recently lifted a hold on a bill by Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) that would eliminate the employment-based per-country visa cap. A spokesperson for Grassley said the senator “supports legal immigration opportunities and works for measures to prevent fraud in immigration programs.”

Read more: Coveted visas are harder to get for tech startups - Michelle Quinn - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/76996.html#ixzz1wpUGHq7b)

Not true....I just Senate's calendar which is updated today and it still says on hold by Senator Grassley....check it out below link...page 62

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-112scal-2012-06-04/pdf/CCAL-112scal-2012-06-04.pdf

[amulchandra]

For some reason I believe that something is happening. Otherwise HR3012 will not be back in news again after being presumed dead. Stay +ve.

Amul

[dhakaldoo]

Not true....I just Senate's calendar which is updated today and it still says on hold by Senator Grassley....check it out below link...page 62

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-112scal-2012-06-04/pdf/CCAL-112scal-2012-06-04.pdf


Wow! Looks like Mr. Grassley thinks his job is to put holds on the Bills!!
He has held 9 bills! :mad:

I hope IV can get us past this big hurdle called Grassley. Go IV go!!

[django1]

Could be that it is referring to some other hold or sonmeone in grassleys office is not aware of what he is referring to.... Per the above pdf, hold is still there ..

[gumpena]

Hoping that Senate Calendar is not updated yet..

:)

[RohitSharma]

Curious people can call Senator Grassley's office..

[gvenkat]

why give false hope to people by telling what they think they want to hear?

Watch for your red count to increase since you told the fact. :p

[gk_2000]

Guys, take a note here -- this is why donating to IV will be the best dollars you have ever spent so far in your life. So if you have not already done so, it is time you considered doing it ..

[manchala]

Guys, take a note here -- this is why donating to IV will be the best dollars you have ever spent so far in your life. So if you have not already done so, it is time you considered doing it ..

True. This is not just a donation but contribution.

[TO BE OR NO TO BE]

Subscription of $50 per month for 6 months renewed.

Go IV Go...

[bibliophile2020]

Yes, the first one to post something that big would be Mat Oh

[django1]

This is old news...Classic case of partisanship Im afraid. Like it says in the very next paragraph, if he is ready to lift his hold, other senators are ready to oppose his provisions and put in a hold themselves instead .... :(

[DallasBlue]

2008. Successful introduction of 3 bills in the House by Rep Zoe. Lofgren. This included elimination of per country limits Bill on which no other organization or business interest had ever advocated until that time. Immigration Voice successfully advocated these bills, brought in co-sponsors and received support from other interests for these bills.

H.R.5882
Title: To recapture employment-based immigrant visas lost to bureaucratic delays and to prevent losses of family- and employment-based immigrant visas in the future.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 4/23/2008) Cosponsors (31)

H.R.5921
Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per country level for employment-based immigrants and to end the spill-over of unused immigrant visa numbers between employment-based and family-sponsored categories.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 4/29/2008) Cosponsors (24)

H.R.6039
Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to authorize certain aliens who have earned a master's or higher degree from a United States institution of higher education in a field of science, technology, engineering, or mathematics to be admitted for permanent residence.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 5/13/2008) Cosponsors (34)

Right from 2008 there is a lot of support for IV's mission, i.e,

- End inequality based on country of Birth for Employment based green cards.
- Recapture Visas lost due to administrative delays
- STEM masters grads remain here and not go back and compete
- I485 filing without visa availability ( thought to be admin/uscis fix , may be not ?? )

So when there are so many co-sponsors and supporters for this just causes right from 2008 , I think Senator Grassley's staff and others may have realized they cannot put hold on every bill and every year , may be the news from politico is true and HR3012 will pass and IV will get to work the next ones on the list

[dts]

Right from 2008 there is a lot of support for IV's mission, i.e,

- End inequality based on country of Birth for Employment based green cards.
- Recapture Visas lost due to administrative delays
- STEM masters grads remain here and not go back and compete
- I485 filing without visa availability ( thought to be admin/uscis fix , may be not ?? )

So when there are so many co-sponsors and supporters for this just causes right from 2008 , I think Senator Grassley's staff and others may have realized they cannot put hold on every bill and every year , may be the news from politico is true and HR3012 will pass and IV will get to work the next ones on the list

In last 4 days , I read two news from different publications that Grassley has removed or ready to remove hold.
This was never case in last 5 months since he put hold.
I feel something positive is brewing . Hopefully we may hear good news soon.
Keep supporting IV instaed giving up hopes.

[bibliophile2020]

I am pledgin $116 to IV and $116 to Tirupati Balaji if HR 3012 passes senate

[madhu345]

I am pledgin $116 to IV and $116 to Tirupati Balaji if HR 3012 passes senate

Another $116 to Chuck Grassley:p

[eastindia]

I am pledgin $116 to IV and $116 to Tirupati Balaji if HR 3012 passes senate

Is this the importance of Greencard?:D

[eastindia]

I am pledgin $116 to IV and $116 to Tirupati Balaji if HR 3012 passes senate

why 16?

why not 1 or 11 ending number?

[dhakaldoo]

I am pledgin $116 to IV and $116 to Tirupati Balaji if HR 3012 passes senate

I am sure you are already donating to IV...

Because I think IV would appreciate more if you donate the money before HR 3012 passes!
they could use it for advocacy efforts.

[checkmet64]

I am sure you are already donating to IV...

Because I think IV would appreciate more if you donate the money before HR 3012 passes!
they could use it for advocacy efforts.

I totally agree. The contributions are needed NOW. It will probably not help as much after the fact that HR3012 passes or fails.

[gk_2000]

I am pledgin $116 to IV and $116 to Tirupati Balaji if HR 3012 passes senate

Do you also buy your tickets after plane leaves?

[Gravitation]

...I think Senator Grassley's staff and others may have realized they cannot put hold on every bill and every year...

Actually they can.

Any immigration legislative efforts will depend upon taking this into account for success. So, Senator Grassley will need to a "fix" in some part of immigration law (such as removal of diversity visa) for legal immigration reforms to push through.

[bibliophile2020]

Don't worry brother, I have cotributed and doing recurring contributions. This is little extra.

[gk_2000]

Don't worry brother, I have cotributed and doing recurring contributions. This is little extra.

Ok gotcha... peace!

[DallasBlue]

2008. Successful introduction of 3 bills in the House by Rep Zoe. Lofgren. This included elimination of per country limits Bill on which no other organization or business interest had ever advocated until that time. Immigration Voice successfully advocated these bills, brought in co-sponsors and received support from other interests for these bills.

H.R.5882
Title: To recapture employment-based immigrant visas lost to bureaucratic delays and to prevent losses of family- and employment-based immigrant visas in the future.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 4/23/2008) Cosponsors (31)

H.R.5921
Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per country level for employment-based immigrants and to end the spill-over of unused immigrant visa numbers between employment-based and family-sponsored categories.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 4/29/2008) Cosponsors (24)

H.R.6039
Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to authorize certain aliens who have earned a master's or higher degree from a United States institution of higher education in a field of science, technology, engineering, or mathematics to be admitted for permanent residence.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 5/13/2008) Cosponsors (34)

Is there a bill similar to the 2008's H.R.5882 for visa recapture in the current congress ?
if not , what is the chance that this bill is reintroduced now ?

[GCOP]

gk_2000, checkmet64,
I just sent you a private message. Please check it

[Rb_newsletter]

I am pledgin $116 to IV and $116 to Tirupati Balaji if HR 3012 passes senate

Another $116 to Chuck Grassley:p

My friend get your check and pen ready. Looks like hot news is getting brewed.

[sanju22577]

The Oh Law Firm (http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html)

There is unconfirmed news report that Sen. Grassley's office confirmed that Senator Grassley had lifted hold on H.R. 3012, the legislative bill to eliminate per country limit to the employment-based immigration. Stay tuned.:):):):):):o:o:o:o:o:cool::cool::cool::cool: :cool::cool:

[TO BE OR NO TO BE]

Finally our friend Mathew Oh fell for this news too...........the hold is not removed yet...

See page 62 of this link.......its official Senate Calendar for today.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-112scal-2012-06-05/pdf/CCAL-112scal-2012-06-05.pdf

Sorry my friend.......we all are waiting for the day when he lifts the hold anxiously.....

[DallasBlue]

S.1857/HR3012 is Part of 'Encourage Entrepreneurship and Growth' Agenda, the gentleman Senator from Iowa will remove the hold , because ,

S.1857/HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bloster the housing loans and banks here)
will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now, improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy


HR3012 serves USA national interest



Quote:
2008. Successful introduction of 3 bills in the House by Rep Zoe. Lofgren. This included elimination of per country limits Bill on which no other organization or business interest had ever advocated until that time. Immigration Voice successfully advocated these bills, brought in co-sponsors and received support from other interests for these bills.

H.R.5882
Title: To recapture employment-based immigrant visas lost to bureaucratic delays and to prevent losses of family- and employment-based immigrant visas in the future.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 4/23/2008) Cosponsors (31)

H.R.5921
Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per country level for employment-based immigrants and to end the spill-over of unused immigrant visa numbers between employment-based and family-sponsored categories.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 4/29/2008) Cosponsors (24)

H.R.6039
Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to authorize certain aliens who have earned a master's or higher degree from a United States institution of higher education in a field of science, technology, engineering, or mathematics to be admitted for permanent residence.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 5/13/2008) Cosponsors (34)

Right from 2008 there is a lot of support for IV's mission, i.e,

- End inequality based on country of Birth for Employment based green cards.
- Recapture Visas lost due to administrative delays
- STEM masters grads remain here and not go back and compete
- I485 filing without visa availability (thought to be admin/uscis fix , may be not ?? )
- not count dependents in EB quota , i.e, derivatives count off

So when there are so many co-sponsors for this just causes right from 2008 , I think Senator Grassley's staff and others may have realized they cannot put hold on every TRUTH , every bill and every year, may be the news from politico.com is true and HR3012 will pass and IV will get to work the next ones on the list

Contribute and do the action items. persistence , persistence , persistence and only persistence with IV's mission

[anne_suresh]

Is it true that Sen. Grassley lifted his hold on HR 3012? I read it in OH Law Firm website. But it says that it is an unconfirmed report.

[neel_gump]

It is quite comforting some times to hear from fellow IVians , that I am not fighting this alone.
I saw many people who came to this country before me got their GCs and became citizens, I came to this country in year 2000, applied GC in 2003...may get greened in 2017 at the earliest. Life goes on.

I am in the same boat bro!!

[Gravitation]

I'll call Sen. Grassley directly when I get a break in the afternoon... will report here.

[Gravitation]

I just called Senator Grassley's DC office and spoke to an aid. I was told that the news report was faulty and the hold is still in place.

Let this rumor come to the rest.

Somebody please contact the report and inform her/him of the error.

[sanju_dba]

So, lets say the hold has been removed, what next?
moves further for cloture voting? dont know what that will happen.

[gc_check]

Is it true that Sen. Grassley lifted his hold on HR 3012? I read it in OH Law Firm website. But it says that it is an unconfirmed report.

The referred law firm website/blog does report some good info, but most of them, if not all are information that originates from AILA communications / email /update or from web searches on the topics that are of greater interest for the audience he is interested to gain popularity. Might helps him get more clients. The below quoted article appears to be caused confusion, but only thing at least derived is interested parties for and against are focusing on this and the bill could end up for a yea/na vote at some time. In spite of an hold, the bill could still hit the floor.

The Politico Article (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/76996.html)
[QUOTE=/ww.politico.com]
Grassley only recently lifted a hold on a bill by Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) that would eliminate the employment-based per-country visa cap. A spokesperson for Grassley said the senator “supports legal immigration opportunities and works for measures to prevent fraud in immigration programs.”

[QUOTE]

[sanju22577]

I just called Senator Grassley's DC office and spoke to an aid. I was told that the news report was faulty and the hold is still in place.

Let this rumor come to the rest.

Somebody please contact the report and inform her/him of the error.

what somebody ? u already called Grassely's office. and understand fault of report. then u can call the Reporter same way with same curiosity , and notice this error.
:p:p:p:

[Gravitation]

I just called Senator Grassley's DC office and spoke to an aid. I was told that the news report was faulty and the hold is still in place.

Let this rumor come to the rest.

Somebody please contact the report and inform her/him of the error.

what somebody ? u already called Grassely's office. and understand fault of report. then u can call the Reporter same way with same curiosity , and notice this error.
:p:p:p:
My primary focus was on the finding the truth behind the report, which I did. We can share the tasks. If you're too lazy to do something, at least don't make immature posts. If you're looking for a flame war... I shall be very happy to give you one and put you in your place.

[giri26]

Thats a great news if that is true. Hopefully the bill will come for voting soon.

[arun_ramani]

I would love to see Aman and IV Core with the president when the bill is signed to law.

[ajaysri]

Is lifting the hold on startup act same as lifting it on hr3012 ?

Ajaysri

[sagar8880]

Hope this news is true and passes Senate smoothly.

[dhakaldoo]

Hope this news is true and passes Senate smoothly.


Nop. I dont think its true.

I called Grassley's Office and when I mentioned HR 3012 she immediately said, " there is still a hold on it"

Really sorry for the bad news.

We can only hope that the lady didnt know!

[abandookwala63]

I called the Senator Grassley office and HOLD is still there.

[iv_gc]

Guys, i believe the news of of Senator Grassley lifing the hold is true. When you call the Senator's office, his staff will only tell you the confirmed news, they can't tell you anything which is not officially released.

Some immigration attorney should be able to get information because of their connections and their name.

Use you common sense before making the calls. I see lot of people are making calls.

[bibliophile2020]

I am going to ask my MLA and MP to give him a call.

[dhakaldoo]

Agree completely.
I called in the excitement of the moment. But shouldn't have! lets wait for confirmation from IV.



Guys, i believe the news of of Senator Grassley lifing the hold is true. When you call the Senator's office, his staff will only tell you the confirmed news, they can't tell you anything which is not officially released.

Some immigration attorney should be able to get information because of their connections and their name.

Use you common sense before making the calls. I see lot of people are making calls.

[gvenkat]

Guys, i believe the news of of Senator Grassley lifing the hold is true. When you call the Senator's office, his staff will only tell you the confirmed news, they can't tell you anything which is not officially released.

Some immigration attorney should be able to get information because of their connections and their name.

Use you common sense before making the calls. I see lot of people are making calls.

Totally agree. What is the point of calling? Some stupid secretary who has no friggin clue is going to answer your call and is going to parrot what she is told.

[RohitSharma]

It is 100% error. There's only one article which mentions about Hold removal that too vaguely as if it is a small thing. I am sure that reporter didn't know what he was writing, he might have confused HR3012 with something else. If Grasseley had removed the hold, you would have heard it in 100 different publications..When it will, It will be big News.

[Chandini]

I am pledgin $116 to IV and $116 to Tirupati Balaji if HR 3012 passes senate

Edu Kondala Vada Venkataramana Govinda Govinda.:-)

[sanju22577]

I just called Senator Grassley's DC office and spoke to an aid. I was told that the news report was faulty and the hold is still in place.

Let this rumor come to the rest.

Somebody please contact the report and inform her/him of the error.


what somebody ? u already called Grassely's office. and understand fault of report. then u can call the Reporter same way with same curiosity , and notice this error.
:p:p:p:

My primary focus was on the finding the truth behind the report, which I did. We can share the tasks. If you're too lazy to do something, at least don't make immature posts. If you're looking for a flame war... I shall be very happy to give you one and put you in your place.



You can't put me in Hell.......... So I don't worry

:D:):):)

[RohitSharma]

It's like people frantically looking for the News if Rahul baba really got entangled in his pajama's nada, slipped and broke his a.ss..It's a national News it'll be in the Headlines.

[WanaGreen]

It is 100% error. There's only one article which mentions about Hold removal that too vaguely as if it is a small thing. I am sure that reporter didn't know what he was writing, he might have confused HR3012 with something else. If Grasseley had removed the hold, you would have heard it in 100 different publications..When it will, It will be big News.


If Sen Grassley really lifted the hold(+vely yes) and the Bill goes to Senate for voting ,Is Irish E3 visa sailing with 3012 ?

[psychedelicNerd]

Please let someone from IV Core confirm. The stir up and the commotion news like these cause, even when they are out of error, projects very wrongly as a whole. Let IV core confirm if any of this is true. I am sure when the news is official, there would be no doubts what so ever.

[go_guy123]

If Sen Grassley really lifted the hold(+vely yes) and the Bill goes to Senate for voting ,Is Irish E3 visa sailing with 3012 ?

I dont know about Irish Visa but Israel E visa has already sailed through both Senate and Congress and is at President's desk who I am sure will sign soon.

[deepakmurthy]

06/06/2012: House Bi-Partisan Companion Bill, H.R. 5893, to the Senate "Startup Act 2.0," S.3217 ,Introduced in the House Today

Report indicates that this bill, H.R. 5893, was introduced today by Republicans Michael Grimm (N.Y.), with the Republican co-sponsores Kevin Yoder (Kan.), Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) and Robert Dold (Ill.), and Democrat co-sponsors Loretta Sanchez (Calif.), Russ Carnahan (Mo.) and Jared Polis (Colo.). This bill contains elimination of per country limit to the employment-based immigration from the current immigration statute. For the details of Senate version, please read back our report of 05/23/2012.

Some positive signs.

[sundarvap]

The hold was lifted on Irish Bill not on 3012. Not sure how 3012 will be benefited , as many claim Irish bill has the removing per country cap , but senator saying other way , not really sure the fate of 3012.

[sanju22577]

:) anyway POLITICO's news true/false
eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigration should be passed before labor Day:):):):


:) Hallelujah...................

[Murthy]

S.1983 or S.2005.Remember if hold on S.2005 is lifted then no use for us.
We need S.1983 or HR 3012.

The hold was lifted on Irish Bill not on 3012. Not sure how 3012 will be benefited , as many claim Irish bill has the removing per country cap , but senator saying other way , not really sure the fate of 3012.

[dts]

Friends,

Please tweet/share below link /news to Senators ( Grassley, Herry Reid, Mccain, Scott Brown, Chuck schummer and Senators to your state) and on facebooks.

This can build up pressure on Senators to quickly act on H.R.3012

Blueseed Builds Floating Office For Tech Startups - Smb - Services - Informationweek (http://www.informationweek.com/news/smb/services/240001636?queryText=immigration)

[sanju_dba]

Friends,

Please tweet/share below link /news to Senators ( Grassley, Herry Reid, Mccain, Scott Brown, Chuck schummer and Senators to your state) and on facebooks.

This can build up pressure on Senators to quickly act on H.R.3012

Blueseed Builds Floating Office For Tech Startups - Smb - Services - Informationweek (http://www.informationweek.com/news/smb/services/240001636?queryText=immigration)

ridiculous idea, and if forwarded to senators, will reveal your ignorance, and will become a timely joke. :D

[dts]

ridiculous idea, and if forwarded to senators, will reveal your ignorance, and will become a timely joke. :D

Can you pls. explain why? may be you are right but want to know why it is not good idea.

[happyfeet]

The same news is in Oh law firm site..

06/08/2012: No Kidding - Plan Underway to Open Off-Shore Floating IT Services Business Offices Near Silicon Valley to Tackle Broken U.S. Immigration Laws for Skilled Workers

Report indicates that a company named Blueseed plans to turn a giant cruise ship into a floating office park anchored in international waters 12 miles from Silicon Valley, providing a home for technology startups and other entrepreneurs who cannot qualify for U.S. work visas. Unfortunate but understandable development under the current broken employment-based immigration system. It remains an open question as to how certain business, particularly in Silicon Vallen, will be able to recruit highly skilled foreign workfoces after three or four days from now when the H-1B annual cap reaches. Once the FY-2013 H-1B cap is exhausted in the next three or four days, they will not be able to recruit new H-1B professional workers until October 1, 2013! It means there will be a big hole for approximately 15 months and a half. The country will return to the crisis in its history in the late 1990s when H-1B cap was exhausted in a matter of days and under the pressure of Y2K transition of the world economy and booming economy, the country was forced to enact so-called AC-21 law to plug the hole and overcome the crisis. There is no question about that changing environment of shortage of supply of critical highly skilled foreign professional workers may add a political pressure on political leaders and Congress to pass legislation to tackle broken employment-based immigration system as witnessed by recently introduced STEM bills in both Houses, but in transition, the businesses that need such professional workers will face a challenge for their businesses to continue to thrive under the growing international completitive economy.

[sanju_dba]

Can you pls. explain why? may be you are right but want to know why it is not good idea.

Here are my thoughts...

Proposal is to supply cannot-be-permited-work force to US Business. That means that work force have to stay there for months rotting in the same ship. So, only singles, no families/kids. People come to America in a hope to either settle down or work for long term, if thats not in the road map, it will not click.

[looivy]

Please let someone from IV Core confirm. The stir up and the commotion news like these cause, even when they are out of error, projects very wrongly as a whole. Let IV core confirm if any of this is true. I am sure when the news is official, there would be no doubts what so ever.

IV would have confirmed it by now if Grassley had lifted the hold. IV is likely focusing its resources on getting 60 votes so that Grassley's hold is rendered ineffective.

[gk_2000]

Good. Now what is needed is a US embassy in the ship, and we're all set /jk

[sanju22577]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/76996.html

An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that Sen. Grassley had lifted a hold on Rep. Chaffetz’ bill.

Read more: Coveted visas are harder to get for tech startups - Michelle Quinn - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/76996.html#ixzz1xGUJecX0)

[sanju22577]

:) anyway POLITICO's news true/false
eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigration should be passed before labor Day:):):):


:) Hallelujah...................




An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that Sen. Grassley had lifted a hold on Rep. Chaffetz’ bill.

Read more: Coveted visas are harder to get for tech startups - Michelle Quinn - POLITICO.com

[indrachat_75]

Watch this show tonight as it will discuss immigration

http://globalpublic.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/06/the-gps-roadmap-for-making-immigration-work/

Indra

[bibliophile2020]

Thanks to Politico we had some excitement last week. There is nothing but bad news in the last few months.

[amulchandra]

Thanks to Politico we had some excitement last week. There is nothing but bad news in the last few months.

This shows that something is really going behind the doors which we don't know yet.

Amul

[RohitSharma]

lalla lalla loree doodh kee katoree, doodh main batashaa munna kare tamashaa....This shows that something is really going behind the doors which we don't know yet.

Amul

[Rb_newsletter]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/76996.html

An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that Sen. Grassley had lifted a hold on Rep. Chaffetz’ bill.

Read more: Coveted visas are harder to get for tech startups - Michelle Quinn - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/76996.html#ixzz1xGUJecX0)


Latest update shows


Grassley recently announced he was working on an agreement to lift his hold on a bill by Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) that would eliminate the employment-based per-country visa cap. A spokesperson for Grassley said the senator “supports legal immigration opportunities and works for measures to prevent fraud in immigration programs.”


Politico gained enough free mileage. Thanks Politico.

[dts]

Latest update shows



Politico gained enough free mileage. Thanks Politico.

This is not latest news . it is as of June 3.
However seems something really going positive in background.
Something positive should come out soon.

[njverifier]

This is not latest news . it is as of June 3.
However seems something really going positive in background.
Something positive should come out soon.

Not that I am ridiculing, what makes you think "Something positive should come out soon"? Please share so that we can also be happy...

[dts]

Not that I am ridiculing, what makes you think "Something positive should come out soon"? Please share so that we can also be happy...

Probably you will disappoint by my answer.
I am niether someone knows more than ordinary member, not on donor forum.
But just my feelings says. In last 2-3 weeks first time we saw several momentum or news ( including one errornous from politicio ).
The other news,( 3 weeks back) quoted Grassley that he was able to include language tightening on H1-B. ( Which is his ultimate aim . As he already publicly made clear that he is not against removing country cap)
This was never been case in past 5 moths.
Nothing much to share about but sounds something is cooking behind the scenes.

What all I can say let us be positive and do not give up hope.

[DallasBlue]

H.R.3119 when will it be done in the subcommittee ?

[Rb_newsletter]

This is not latest news . it is as of June 3.
However seems something really going positive in background.
Something positive should come out soon.

I didn't mean latest news. I meant latest update. The article was published on 6/3/12 with wrong fact and on 6/8/12 they updated (rather we should say polished) the news.


By MICHELLE QUINN | 6/3/12 10:12 PM EDT Updated: 6/8/12 1:46 PM EDT

[happyfeet]

The HR 3012 was introduced in House in last September. Now it almost nearing an year and how long do we need to wait. From the news I could feel that something is happening.

Is there any possibility that we will get our Independence before 'July 4th 2012'?

[django1]

You should be asking this question to senator Grassley - Wether he wants to have any meaningful reform or none at all.

Many of his proposals are naer impossible to implement and will turn the whole legal immigration system into a red-taped mess with audit delays stretching multiple years.

This will only hurt existing american workers by only speeding up the jobs themselves moving offshore to be done by really low cost wokers that americans cant compete against.

What he is advocating is similar to Graeco-German style austerity while what he should really be after is american style growth and liberalisation oriented policies.

No H1-B worker is going to work at a lesser wage than an american worker if he can switch jobs easily and has a reasonable shot at getting a green card. This will lead to a new normal in woker equality.

Hope the good senator sees it that way.

[django1]

and lets not forget that a red-tape ridden, slow as snails legaal immigration system provides that much less incentive for the illegal immigrants to come forward, become legal and start paying taxes...

[greencard.wait]

This time I am sure thousands of people will be available for H.R. 3012 rally in washington DC if IV team initiate. This will sure give more media attention to this bill.

Your comments / Thoughts

[rahul2699]

This time I am sure thousands of people will be available for H.R. 3012 rally in washington DC if IV team initiate. This will sure give more media attention to this bill.

Your comments / Thoughts

im pretty sure about that given the recent swings in COD....

[greencard.wait]

What is COD ?

im pretty sure about that given the recent swings in COD....

This time I am sure thousands of people will be available for H.R. 3012 rally in washington DC if IV team initiate. This will sure give more media attention to this bill.

Your comments / Thoughts

[frustratingGC]

This could happen when it will become more beneficial..this year is election year..
This time I am sure thousands of people will be available for H.R. 3012 rally in washington DC if IV team initiate. This will sure give more media attention to this bill.

Your comments / Thoughts

[checkmet64]

Good,
I'm writing to Sen. Grassley with above content and some more.
Lets take this up as a campaign, and it is also one of the action items. Lets push it now, and see what we can do.
And let us stick only to 3012 for now in this great thread.

Please start writing once again. Anything to pass has a fair chance only in the next few weeks. Let us see if we can get something by July 4th.

Nice thought. Although I would get a confirmation from IV whether this is okay to do at this time, seemed like what was required was "focused advocacy". Please double check before proceeding.

[dts]

flowers and card with a message

Need approval from admin. It should be coordinated and organized drive than individual.