HR 3012 general discussion since April 2012

[deepakd]

IV Gurus:
Any update on HR-3012 ?
Thanks
DD

[pappu]

Need approval from admin. It should be coordinated and organized drive than individual.
IV Gurus:
Any update on HR-3012 ?
Thanks
DD

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[Greentown]

Pappu, we are planning to send flowers to you to get your response :-)

[praskar]

Pappu, we are planning to send flowers to you to get your response :-)

LOL! Poor Paapu! :)

[pappu]

Pappu, we are planning to send flowers to you to get your response :-)

The biggest gesture one can do is subscribing to monthly contributions. It helps continue to invest more resources to get relief for everyone.

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[checkmet64]

The biggest gesture one can do is subscribing to monthly contributions. It helps continue to invest more resources to get relief for everyone.

Really.....if we signed up for monthly contributions we would get an update from you....easy....much easier than appeasing senator Grassley ;)

[gk_2000]

Really.....if we signed up for monthly contributions we would get an update from you....easy....much easier than appeasing senator Grassley ;)

Let's call him Bruce Lee :) Senator Bruce Lee LOL!

[bibliophile2020]

DREAMER'S are every where, on the cover of TIME,CNN... Remember they are illegals. We have a strong case and forced to remain in the shadows. We don't have voice and no one cares as we don't count toward the vote bank. What a shame!

[checkmet64]

DREAMER'S are every where, on the cover of TIME,CNN... Remember they are illegals. We have a strong case and forced to remain in the shadows. We don't have voice and no one cares as we don't count toward the vote bank. What a shame!

This is said but reality. You know what though.....most of the growth that west and far-west sees these days comes from asian countries, even their projections are based on developing nations in asia and southern america. I say this is the time to consider going back home. Even if we get our freedom at some stage, there will be always be someone that gets exploited by the non-functional immigration system. We have to hit this at the root. The retrogressions and delays are just symptoms.

[checkmet64]

This is said but reality. You know what though.....most of the growth that west and far-west sees these days comes from asian countries, even their projections are based on developing nations in asia and southern america. I say this is the time to consider going back home. Even if we get our freedom at some stage, there will be always be someone that gets exploited by the non-functional immigration system. We have to hit this at the root. The retrogressions and delays are just symptoms.

This is sad* but reality. You know what though.....most of the growth that west and far-west sees these days comes from asian countries, even their projections are based on developing nations in asia and southern america. I say this is the time to consider going back home. Even if we get our freedom at some stage, there will be always be someone that gets exploited by the non-functional immigration system. We have to hit this at the root. The retrogressions and delays are just symptoms.

(* should be sad in my previous post)

[gk_2000]

This is sad* but reality. You know what though.....most of the growth that west and far-west sees these days comes from asian countries, even their projections are based on developing nations in asia and southern america. I say this is the time to consider going back home. Even if we get our freedom at some stage, there will be always be someone that gets exploited by the non-functional immigration system. We have to hit this at the root. The retrogressions and delays are just symptoms.

(* should be sad in my previous post)

Thanks for perfecting your work of great art

[DallasBlue]

contribute and do the action items.

Senator from Iowa should remove the hold , because ,

HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bloster the housing loans and banks here)
will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now renewing EAD every year, they will buy those cars that they are putting off , buy those gadgets,equipment, tools etc improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy


HR3012 serves national interest




ImmigrationVoice.org - Advocacy -- Request your leadership to support HR 3012 Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act (http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=57856511)

http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=57856511

persistence , persistence , persistence and only persistence with HR3012

[DallasBlue]

The biggest gesture one can do is subscribing to monthly contributions. It helps continue to invest more resources to get relief for everyone.

Campaign to call/fax senate judiciary member a day.

[praskar]

Exciting times!

[happyfeet]

We need to look at the feasibility of getting HR 3012 passed by contributing to presidential election fund.

[bibliophile2020]

President Obama issued an executive order to grant legal status to 800,000+ illegal immigrants. Why can't he issue executive order to allow filing I-485 along with I-140? This will immensely help so many legal immigrants stuck in the visa backlog. Can IV lead in this effort?

[checkmet64]

President Obama issued an executive order to grant legal status to 800,000+ illegal immigrants. Why can't he issue executive order to allow filing I-485 along with I-140? This will immensely help so many legal immigrants stuck in the visa backlog. Can IV lead in this effort?

Indeed....I second it.

[nj_03_2004]

President Obama issued an executive order to grant legal status to 800,000+ illegal immigrants. Why can't he issue executive order to allow filing I-485 along with I-140? This will immensely help so many legal immigrants stuck in the visa backlog. Can IV lead in this effort?

And how many votes he will get by doing this?

[gten]

And how many votes he will get by doing this?
:D Exactly.

[turvi76]

The beacon of freedom and democracy in this world, the America has spoken, granting amnesty to a sea of illegal immigrants. A strategic move to allure the Hispanic vote bank in the upcoming elections! What about the legal immigrants? Can the capitalist of the Chinese and the Indian community rise up for the fairness and equality of its people? How can we open these flood gates while the politicos are currently racing to the white house in an election year?

[amulchandra]

I am completely heart broken today. There is not chance for Hr 3012 to pass now. As Latinos got what they wanted and we are a drop in the ocean there will be no push for this bill. No one cares about legal immigration.

[CaliHoneB]

We need to look at the feasibility of getting HR 3012 passed by contributing to presidential election fund.

I think we simply need to ask how much our beloved senator wants to remove the hold!

[checkmet64]

I am completely heart broken today. There is not chance for Hr 3012 to pass now. As Latinos got what they wanted and we are a drop in the ocean there will be no push for this bill. No one cares about legal immigration.

Sad but the reality. Funny thing is how would this move help economy. Oh wait....this was never about the economy..was it? WHO EVER CAN'T VOTE DOESN'T MATTER...PERIOD.

[senram]

This move was clearly for the purpose of Vote. I am not sure what impact will it have for future immigration bills. One way of thinking politically it may increase the bitterness and further divide congress and may be more difficult for forthcoming immigration bills. Also this is a temporary fix still it is bigger than jackpot for certain illegal people. It may make more difficult for CIR or any immigration bill for reform of green cards in coming months or years. So this order may further complicate the permanent fix of illegal and legal immigration. President cannot put an order to give away green cards. But he may be close to second term president if this single pen strike of politics play on his terms. That is a big achivement for him.

Obama and Bush tried their level best to help legal immigrants also. They expanded OPT program to extend to 29 months. It is the congress not able to resolve any of the immigration issues. There are many reasons for that. HR 3012 is very much alive now until it fails or not passed within december

I am completely heart broken today. There is not chance for Hr 3012 to pass now. As Latinos got what they wanted and we are a drop in the ocean there will be no push for this bill. No one cares about legal immigration.

[Greentown]

Sen.Grassley
What is the point in holding H.R.3012 now in the name of of H1 Restrictions and American Job Protection! don't you think it is not proper to hold this bill any more?

If President can just do an executive order to give Work authorization to 800,000+ Illegals


Sen.Grassley
You are trying to close small holes in the immigration system and holding on H.R.3012 ,while others are opening the flood gates for illegals. What is the point in holding HR3012 and hurting people who obey laws and pay taxes. Please consider lifting the hold on HR3012 and show this country care for legal immigrants too.

Thanks

[checkmet64]

This move was clearly for the purpose of Vote. I am not sure what impact will it have for future immigration bills. One way of thinking politically it may increase the bitterness and further divide congress and may be more difficult for forthcoming immigration bills. Also this is a temporary fix still it is bigger than jackpot for certain illegal people. It may make more difficult for CIR or any immigration bill for reform of green cards in coming months or years. So this order may further complicate the permanent fix of illegal and legal immigration. President cannot put an order to give away green cards. But he may be close to second term president if this single pen strike of politics play on his terms. That is a big achivement for him.

Obama and Bush tried their level best to help legal immigrants also. They expanded OPT program to extend to 29 months. It is the congress not able to resolve any of the immigration issues. There are many reasons for that. HR 3012 is very much alive now until it fails or not passed within december

I think December is too long. This is election year. Nothing will happen after GOP convention which is on Aug 27 in Florida. Dems have theirs on September 3. After that senate will adjourn. This means that barely 6 weeks of work possible in the senate.

[Chandini]

Chalo Grassley hr 3012
Chalo Washington DC.
It is NOW or Never. Wake up !!!!!

Sen.Grassley
You are trying to close small holes in the immigration system and holding on H.R.3012 ,while others are opening the flood gates for illegals. What is the point in holding HR3012 and hurting people who obey laws and pay taxes. Please consider lifting the hold on HR3012 and show this country care for legal immigrants too.

Thanks

[kiran_pathuri]

Sen.Grassley
What is the point in holding H.R.3012 now in the name of of H1 Restrictions and American Job Protection! don't you think it is not proper to hold this bill any more?

If President can just do an executive order to give Work authorization to 800,000+ Illegals

Sen.Grassley
You are trying to close small holes in the immigration system and holding on H.R.3012 ,while others are opening the flood gates for illegals. What is the point in holding HR3012 and hurting people who obey laws and pay taxes. Please consider lifting the hold on HR3012 and show this country care for legal immigrants too.

Thanks

If Senator Grassley indeed reads these comments, his reply will be as below:
" I am not against H.R.3012, I infact support it. I only want to have a menaingful discussion of how this will effect American high tech workers and also how to make sure that the immigrants won't get exploited :p".

I live in Iowa and I got a similar response from him except the sticking toungue. Any good suggestions on how best I can reply to that response.

[praskar]

This is getting really interesting. I agree that with the Latino bill passing, it makes our case harder. How I wish we could cross the border and move back in ILLEGALLY? :D

[h1techSlave]

This is getting really interesting. I agree that with the Latino bill passing, it makes our case harder. How I wish we could cross the border and move back in ILLEGALLY? :D

How I wish that I could be .......

[longwait4gc]

If Senator Grassley indeed reads these comments, his reply will be as below:
" I am not against H.R.3012, I infact support it. I only want to have a menaingful discussion of how this will effect American high tech workers and also how to make sure that the immigrants won't get exploited :p".

I live in Iowa and I got a similar response from him except the sticking toungue. Any good suggestions on how best I can reply to that response.

My answer would be: This doesn't increase even a single visa. So there is no net negative affect against American workers. H1B abuse is a different problem. Holding or not holding this will not affect H1B. Tell him people who waited longest in the line will have more uninvested savings because of their uncertainty. By giving GC to these guys vs some one fresh off the board you are making sure they will invest in US which will create more jobs which is good for economy.
Also tell him if a person leaves US after 15 years working in US (Lot of our EB3 friends stayed that long) all of their savings, 401K which might be in huge, will leave US. On top of that USA will pay them social security when they retire because they must have earned 40 credits. Thats a lot of money per month US will be paying to these people.

[DallasBlue]

If Senator Grassley indeed reads these comments, his reply will be as below:
" I am not against H.R.3012, I infact support it. I only want to have a menaingful discussion of how this will effect American high tech workers and also how to make sure that the immigrants won't get exploited :p".

I live in Iowa and I got a similar response from him except the sticking toungue. Any good suggestions on how best I can reply to that response.

kiran_pathuri, here are the arguments for rebuttal of grassley's response, build upon it :

Seantor , H.R.3012 does not impact the "american tech worker", because it doesnt increase the visa numbers. This bill is removing the country caps. When a worker is hired s/he is not hired on the basis of nationality but only because of skill. The current wait time for India and china are like 50 years which is totally unreasonable. No tech workers is not impacted with or without H.R.3012 , because all these people will remain here in US and are working here on AOS status and eventually be american tech worker in matter of 5 years or 50 years.

against 'immigrant exploitation', there are lot of labor laws and worker safety laws that safeguard not only the immigrant workers but all the american tech and non tech workers.

[DallasBlue]

kiran, also add these points

Quote:
Senator from Iowa should remove the hold , because ,

HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bloster the housing loans and banks here)
will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now renewing EAD every year, they will buy those cars that they are putting off , buy those gadgets,equipment, tools etc improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy


HR3012 serves national interest




ImmigrationVoice.org - Advocacy -- Request your leadership to support HR 3012 Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act

http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=57856511

persistence , persistence , persistence and only persistence with HR3012

[ttphiss]

"Also tell him if a person leaves US after 15 years working in US (Lot of our EB3 friends stayed that long) all of their savings, 401K which might be in huge, will leave US. On top of that USA will pay them social security when they retire because they must have earned 40 credits. Thats a lot of money per month US will be paying to these people."

You have absolutely and correctly captured my situation. I have started the process of "self-deportation" and started knocking old doors. I plan to move back in a year or two. But, I was under the impression that only US citizens qualify for Social Security (as and when they retire). Could you please let me know where can I find good info on Social Security Benefits for H1B Indian nationals.

Thanks in advance.

[bibliophile2020]

I know where this country is going. JUST ANOTHER LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRY

[checkmet64]

"Also tell him if a person leaves US after 15 years working in US (Lot of our EB3 friends stayed that long) all of their savings, 401K which might be in huge, will leave US. On top of that USA will pay them social security when they retire because they must have earned 40 credits. Thats a lot of money per month US will be paying to these people."

You have absolutely and correctly captured my situation. I have started the process of "self-deportation" and started knocking old doors. I plan to move back in a year or two. But, I was under the impression that only US citizens qualify for Social Security (as and when they retire). Could you please let me know where can I find good info on Social Security Benefits for H1B Indian nationals.

Thanks in advance.

Anyone who has worked in USA for atleast 10 years (40 credit points/ assuming 4 per yr max) is qualified to receive SS benefit. He/she does not have to be a US citizen/GC. Of course your payment will depend upon how long you worked and how much you contributed.

This website has some good information-

Retire To India: Social security for Overseas retirees (http://www.retire2india.com/2007/05/social-security-for-overseas-retirees.html)

[checkmet64]

Under these conditions, it may be more worthwhile for IV to help us move back by assisting in networking for job finding, relocation, etc., instead of pushing for HR3012. ;)

[sanju22577]

The Insightful Immigration Blog – Commentaries on Immigration Policy, Cases and Trends: GOING BEYOND THE POLITICS OF DISCRETION IN THE AMERICAN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM (http://blog.cyrusmehta.com/2011/09/going-beyond-politics-of-discretion-in.html)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/startup_america_legislative_agenda.pdf

[happyfeet]

It very clear that there are solutions beyond political means/influence like the current DREAMERS fix.

So team IV should create a new petition in the 'We the people' page of white house like the one in the White house page. Every one of the legal immigrant community should sign and there should be at least 100k signatures.

This is the existing petition in the link.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/response/improving-employment-based-immigration

We need some solution..

[go_guy123]

And how many votes he will get by doing this?

Many votes .....especially in swing states like Florida and Nevada etc. Florida has large hispanic population and it seals the deal in Florida.

GOP is in panic mode...the ultra right wingers secure in their convesvative districts
are shouting at Obama but Romney and others who need the Hispanic votes are in disarray on how to retaliate.

It is an amazing political move !!!! Honestly speaking who the hell in us cares about
H1B and EB.

Now we will know who will be "self-deporting" soon. The war of "attrition" is going on.

[django1]

Plus, if any of these self-deportee eb3's leave with large loans, that only hurts the US economy in the current situation ...

[go_guy123]

Plus, if any of these self-deportee eb3's leave with large loans, that only hurts the US economy in the current situation ...

Actually they wont !!!!! eb3 are not that bold people. I understand your frustration.
Also nowadays they are strict when giving loans. Housing loans have "house" as collateral.

[turvi76]

How'bt this round table discussion with administration officials & business leaders to re-emphasize the bill:
Immigration Action Roundtables | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/immigration/roundtables)

Would this help or impede any 'behind the scenes' activity IV is pursuing? Can we get some expert comment on it?

[sajimm]

:eek:This may open up a flood of EAD applications, and wonder whether this going to delay EAD applications and thus impacting lot of people who are currently using EAD to work and is going to expire in upcoming months.

[go_guy123]

:eek:This may open up a flood of EAD applications, and wonder whether this going to delay EAD applications and thus impacting lot of people who are currently using EAD to work and is going to expire in upcoming months.

Dont worry about those EAD.....those ones will be adjudicated upto 2 years easily. There are votes/politicians behind those EAD.

[rdoib]

NO one cares about a small numbers of law abiding tax paying but focusing on large number of potential votes. I know it is numbers and votes. So my friends it is a BIG fight please support IV if not us who will?

[smuggymba]

I won't call it an amazing move. It is more of a desperate risky move. Only time will say whether Obama committed a political blunder.

Will the Hispanics alone save Obama ? He also got a new bunch of enemies by this move.

He didn't help us but he did the right thing. Kids who came here are not at fault.

[checkmet64]

He didn't help us but he did the right thing. Kids who came here are not at fault.

May be this correct..but why now? why not before, later?

[njverifier]

He didn't help us but he did the right thing. Kids who came here are not at fault.

Nah... Kids who came here as undocumented are not at fault(according to the so called Mr. President).

So what about the kids of "prospective" legal immigrants and are now at the verge of losing their status and getting separated from their family? Is it their fault to land in US?

[njverifier]

Nah... Kids who came here as undocumented are not at fault(according to the so called Mr. President).

So what about the kids of "prospective" legal immigrants and are now at the verge of losing their status and getting separated from their family? Is it their fault to land in US?

Or may be its the parents of "prospective" legal immigrants' fault to come here with a ray of hope and dreaming that they will give a bright future to their kids... These are the real dreamers whose dreams will never come true... I am so sorry for you guys...

[smuggymba]

May be this correct..but why now? why not before, later?

because he is a politician and this is how they operate.

[smuggymba]

Or may be its the parents of "prospective" legal immigrants' fault to come here with a ray of hope and dreaming that they will give a bright future to their kids... These are the real dreamers whose dreams will never come true... I am so sorry for you guys...

If he had done en Executive Order for EB folks, we would have been talking about Obama's great leadership, compassion etc. Now that he didn't do anything for us, we're criticizing him.

In politics, great ppl like Kalam lose and ppl like Pranab win. We didn't get the gravy this time but it will be ok.

[njverifier]

If he had done en Executive Order for EB folks, we would have been talking about Obama's great leadership, compassion etc. Now that he didn't do anything for us, we're criticizing him.

In politics, great ppl like Kalam lose and ppl like Pranab win. We didn't get the gravy this time but it will be ok.

You totally miss the point here... it is not about criticizing... Why only the kids who are undocumented??? why not anyone who is in this country and satisfy all the rules? Now this is tricky isn't it??? BTW Pranab can never become Kalam by passing rules... so does Obama(yes I am criticizing him what's your point???)...

[AcuraTSX]

You totally miss the point here... it is not about criticizing... Why only the kids who are undocumented??? why not anyone who is in this country and satisfy all the rules? Now this is tricky isn't it??? BTW Pranab can never become Kalam by passing rules... so does Obama(yes I am criticizing him what's your point???)...
Its all about votes. Even prez needs job security. What can we expect - his own uncle and Aunt are illegals in the country for almost 20 years and were found recently in Boston ( he got pulled over for DUI and when questioned, he said "White house will arrange bail for him". Oh last time I heard, he got his EAD (lucky fellow).

[AcuraTSX]

I won't call it an amazing move. It is more of a desperate risky move. Only time will say whether Obama committed a political blunder.

Will the Hispanics alone save Obama ? He also got a new bunch of enemies by this move.
well he must be watching telemundo and eating tacos for dinner.

[DallasBlue]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiran_pathuri
If Senator Grassley indeed reads these comments, his reply will be as below:
" I am not against H.R.3012, I infact support it. I only want to have a menaingful discussion of how this will effect American high tech workers and also how to make sure that the immigrants won't get exploited ".

I live in Iowa and I got a similar response from him except the sticking toungue. Any good suggestions on how best I can reply to that response.
kiran_pathuri, here are the arguments for rebuttal of grassley's response, build upon it :

Seantor , H.R.3012 does not impact the "american tech worker". If the worry is about more number of tech workers coming in here to USA HR3012 doesnt increase the visa numbers. This bill is removing the country caps. When a worker is hired one is not hired on the basis of nationality but only on the basis of the skills. The current wait time for India and china are like 50 years which is totally unreasonable. Tech workers are not impacted with or without H.R.3012 because all these waiters will remain here in US and are working here on AOS status and eventually be american tech worker in a matter of 5 years or 50 years.

Also, against 'immigrant exploitation', there are a lot of labor laws and worker safety laws that safeguard not only the immigrant workers but all the american tech and non tech workers.

Senator should remove the hold , because ,


HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bloster the housing loans and banks here)
will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now renewing EAD every year, they will buy those cars that they are putting off , buy those gadgets,equipment, tools etc improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy

HR3012 serves national interest


guys, please contribute and build up on this argument for HR3012

[Gandhi_II]

Congress AWOL in the global competition for talent | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/15/congress-awol-in-the-global-competition-for-talent/)

[bibliophile2020]

Children of legal immigrants have "DREAMS" too

[GCHope2011]

It very clear that there are solutions beyond political means/influence like the current DREAMERS fix.

So team IV should create a new petition in the 'We the people' page of white house like the one in the White house page. Every one of the legal immigrant community should sign and there should be at least 100k signatures.

This is the existing petition in the link.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/response/improving-employment-based-immigration

We need some solution..
Real world, political problems cannot be solved by online petitions. There is no substitute to flesh and blood campaigning for ones own rights. The easier it is to sign petitions (online or otherwise), the easier it is to discount them as well. A majority of the waiting in line community does not even recognize how deep a rut they are in. They do not even help themselves by pulling together - they are more interested in fighting for whichever basis they can find to fight on - race, region, EB, consulting etc. And then the wider-diaspora who are settled, does not even care to help those who are stuck.

All in all, we naively believe that politicians act out of basic goodness of their heart and what is logically right should just happen on its own. That is not the way it works - it is all about votes and if we as a community/ interest group and future voters do not form an attractive block to swing elections, we cannot expect things to happen on their own or by signing online petitions.

[psagarn]

IMHO, now is the time to strike. Obama is desperate to get as much support as possible. We need to get the support of as many citizen associations (like Indian, Chinese) as possible and have rallies in DC as well as Grassley's state/constituency. We need to prove (or at least give an impression) that HR 3012 (or any such executive order by Obama) will result in a lot of votes/support from all the citizen members of such associations. If that is what they want, we need to show them that we are capable of that too. The other option is "Oopar wala jo karta hai achche ke liye karta hai".

[psagarn]

Quote:

kiran_pathuri, here are the arguments for rebuttal of grassley's response, build upon it :

Seantor , H.R.3012 does not impact the "american tech worker". If the worry is about more number of tech workers coming in here to USA HR3012 doesnt increase the visa numbers. This bill is removing the country caps. When a worker is hired one is not hired on the basis of nationality but only on the basis of the skills. The current wait time for India and china are like 50 years which is totally unreasonable. Tech workers are not impacted with or without H.R.3012 because all these waiters will remain here in US and are working here on AOS status and eventually be american tech worker in a matter of 5 years or 50 years.

Also, against 'immigrant exploitation', there are a lot of labor laws and worker safety laws that safeguard not only the immigrant workers but all the american tech and non tech workers.

Senator should remove the hold , because ,


HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bloster the housing loans and banks here)
will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now renewing EAD every year, they will buy those cars that they are putting off , buy those gadgets,equipment, tools etc improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy

HR3012 serves national interest


guys, please contribute and build up on this argument for HR3012
Good points, if only we (you, me and everyone on IV) back it up with some real action like what illegals did.

[pappu]

Children of legal immigrants have "DREAMS" too

But where are they? Nobody has heard from them yet. So why should anyone know that they have any problem?
Check you tube and you will see a lot of them speaking up. These kids have been visiting local lawmaker offices for several years regularly. They come to DC with parents in large numbers for meetings. They march with parents in rallies in their cities regularly. Their parents take time off from work, risk job, lose valuable hourly salary, risk being deported coming out in the open...They volunteer Regularly with their parents for their advocacy groups. They go in front of media and talk without fear of being deported. They have done a lot to deserve what they got today. It was a long struggle for many years. We all need to learn from them to improve our advocacy and get motivated.

[checkmet64]

But where are they? Nobody has heard from them yet. So why should anyone know that they have any problem?
Check you tube and you will see a lot of them speaking up. These kids have been visiting local lawmaker offices for several years regularly. They come to DC with parents in large numbers for meetings. They march with parents in rallies in their cities regularly. Their parents take time off from work, risk job, lose valuable hourly salary, risk being deported coming out in the open...They volunteer Regularly with their parents for their advocacy groups. They go in front of media and talk without fear of being deported. They have done a lot to deserve what they got today. It was a long struggle for many years. We all need to learn from them to improve our advocacy and get motivated.

I read your recent posts in other threads too and I have to admit that most of what your are saying is right on the money. To find out why more advocacy is needed, we have to simply look at the numbers.

The total hispanic and latino population is 16% compared to 2% India and Chinese combined. If were to get $ a 25 contribution from 1% population then that comes to $125000 from Hispanic and Latino population compared to $15000 from Indian and Chinese combined. So the numbers just don't compare. Simply put- a lot (10 times) more involvement from each one of us is needed.

Not to mention, the illegal Mexican population is 62% compared to 3% India, China combined of the total.

Personally, I am a relatively new member, but have participated in all action items for HR3012 as suggested by IV. I would be more than happy to become an active volunteer/member, but just don't know the avenues. For the benefit of me and others please advice accordingly.

[gk_2000]

Quote:

kiran_pathuri, here are the arguments for rebuttal of grassley's response, build upon it :

Seantor , H.R.3012 does not impact the "american tech worker". If the worry is about more number of tech workers coming in here to USA HR3012 doesnt increase the visa numbers. This bill is removing the country caps. When a worker is hired one is not hired on the basis of nationality but only on the basis of the skills. The current wait time for India and china are like 50 years which is totally unreasonable. Tech workers are not impacted with or without H.R.3012 because all these waiters will remain here in US and are working here on AOS status and eventually be american tech worker in a matter of 5 years or 50 years.

Also, against 'immigrant exploitation', there are a lot of labor laws and worker safety laws that safeguard not only the immigrant workers but all the american tech and non tech workers.

Senator should remove the hold , because ,


HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bloster the housing loans and banks here)
will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now renewing EAD every year, they will buy those cars that they are putting off , buy those gadgets,equipment, tools etc improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy

HR3012 serves national interest


guys, please contribute and build up on this argument for HR3012

Do you think a bunch of personal opinions will help? If you want to take this replay SO seriously, them compile facts and figures and state them quoting the sources. Also mention that removing backlogs is the ONLY way to protect the foreign workers and even stabilize wages for hi-tech workers. This statement, in the capacity of a high-tech worker.

[indrachat_75]

Do you think a bunch of personal opinions will help? If you want to take this replay SO seriously, them compile facts and figures and state them quoting the sources. Also mention that removing backlogs is the ONLY way to protect the foreign workers and even stabilize wages for hi-tech workers. This statement, in the capacity of a high-tech worker.

Also encourage to post these points in comment section at CNN under some of recent news articles around immigration like Joy, criticism greet immigration policy move - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/15/us/immigration-reaction/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1), hoping someone at CNN will read.

[checkmet64]

I read your recent posts in other threads too and I have to admit that most of what your are saying is right on the money. To find out why more advocacy is needed, we have to simply look at the numbers.

The total hispanic and latino population is 16% compared to 2% India and Chinese combined. If were to get $ a 25 contribution from 1% population then that comes to $125000 from Hispanic and Latino population compared to $15000 from Indian and Chinese combined. So the numbers just don't compare. Simply put- a lot (10 times) more involvement from each one of us is needed.

Not to mention, the illegal Mexican population is 62% compared to 3% India, China combined of the total.

Personally, I am a relatively new member, but have participated in all action items for HR3012 as suggested by IV. I would be more than happy to become an active volunteer/member, but just don't know the avenues. For the benefit of me and others please advice accordingly.

And yes it would also help if I get acess to donor forum. I am a current donor, would donate more/frequently if I knew the challenges currently faced and specifics of where money is needed.

ps I know that IV in the past had restricted the acess to this forum for all right reasons. May be now is the time. I can provide sufficient proof that I am not an anti.

[senram]

We cannot compare with illegal immigrants and president's action.

1. They got a temporary stop gap arrangement. But legal immigrants does not need it as they can extend H1b or EAD indefinitely
2. Illegals are living in the fear of deportation and many are not having licenses. But legals are leading a very comfortable life by driving Toyota. BMW and BenZ cars
3. Legals can survive anywhere in the world as they are having technical skills. But illegals only option is go to home country with empty wealth and without any skills
4. Legals can stay as long as they want by keeping their job even without the green card. Illegals does not have that option
5. President cannot give green card. If that is in his power he would have given to the Dreamers. So we cannot expect to get the recapture or increase GC by executive order,

Only difference is the illegals are getting more attention because of their numbers and their Vote bank.


It is not sensible to compare undocumented to us. Demographics are not comparable, demands/needs are not comparable either.

IV should not expect EB applicants to equal in numbers to undocumented ones.

1. Numbers
They are in millions. We are in thousands. Never expect us to beat or equal their numbers.

2. Community support
Latino community supports them in a big way. For us, people leave this forum the moment they get their green cards. Even worse, we try to push down our fellow immigrants in EB queue to get their GC faster. Support from FB community is non-existent. IV may have a role here to reach out to Indian community organizations.

3. Cause
Undocumented are asking for radical/controversial changes to law. We are asking for minor fixes for law abiding ( following all crazy rules) immigrants. Don't even compare their cause to our cause. For promoting their cause they need large numbers.

We have support of business and a good number of GOP lawmakers. We may not need that numbers, smart strategy is more important.

[gc_check]

But where are they? Nobody has heard from them yet. So why should anyone know that they have any problem?
Check you tube and you will see a lot of them speaking up. These kids have been visiting local lawmaker offices for several years regularly. They come to DC with parents in large numbers for meetings. They march with parents in rallies in their cities regularly. Their parents take time off from work, risk job, lose valuable hourly salary, risk being deported coming out in the open...They volunteer Regularly with their parents for their advocacy groups. They go in front of media and talk without fear of being deported. They have done a lot to deserve what they got today. It was a long struggle for many years. We all need to learn from them to improve our advocacy and get motivated.

I can get the hidden message / frustration towards lack of participation by the people affected in the EB Immigration Community and few people fight so hard with whatever little is there, but comparing with Dreamers / Undocumented immigrants is like comparing Apples with Oranges. Also - the desperation, not other option/route kind of scenario that these people face that is pushing them out - luckily is not the case with legal non-immigrants trying to get GC. Also the kind of support from Latino/Hispanic community provide isn't there with Indians or Chinese or other communities having issues in EB community. The people you really fight for any causes are only few, but the benefits are enjoyed by many more - Sadly that seems to be the case here as well.

What ever it is - the actions last week from executive branch, could put pressure on the congressional branch to do their part and this could become a reason congress could take up something and might open a slim chance out proposal to get through... With time running and only five month left for election - unless something happen now or next couple week, it does not looks positive though.

[bibliophile2020]

Hey Pappu,
How about inviting all soon to be legal 800,000++ DREAMER'S or whatever they call them on to IV? We will sign them up for monthly contributions and we can all get GREENED together.

[immigrant2007]

Hey Pappu,
How about inviting all soon to be legal 800,000++ DREAMER'S or whatever they call them on to IV? We will sign them up for monthly contributions and we can all get GREENED together.

Wait another 245(i) fiasco in line. We will soon hear labors and other EB based VISAS being put int backlog till all of dreamers get GCs. Is HISTORY repeating itself? Ask senator Grassley what is his stand now? What is is beef with EBs frm india China?

[Robert Kumar]

Wait another 245(i) fiasco in line. We will soon hear labors and other EB based VISAS being put int backlog till all of dreamers get GCs. Is HISTORY repeating itself? Ask senator Grassley what is his stand now? What is is beef with EBs frm india China?

Did you ask, with your question, on his website.
Who else will.. Please do.

[Robert Kumar]

no sir , this is not my personal opinion but a general opinion. Now here are the facts, http://competeamerica.org/sites/default/files/files/EB%20Green%20Cards%20at%20a%20Glance-2011%20FINAL.pdf.

Can we all contribute and prepare a rebuttal statement to Senator Grassley's response and issue a press statement ?

Why dont you post your views on the Senator's websiute, and then ask others too.
I did the same way. How many of us will post or contribute, we dont know.
Atleast you and I can do it.
Good idea to ask others and go as a team, but at the same time no one is stopping us to do it.
Many are always better then one.
But
One is better than none.

[mugembo]

Hi there, can someone please prepare a good tweet for president obama requesting him to take similar action to fix legal immigration system as well. You guys could do better job than me, that's why i am asking.

[mugembo]

New member here, just subscribed for 6 - $25 payments, not much but hope it goes long way to inspire other "Watch Only" members like me. Subscription Number: S-22R820113G3172835.

Go IV

[pappu]

New member here, just subscribed for 6 - $25 payments, not much but hope it goes long way to inspire other "Watch Only" members like me. Subscription Number: S-22R820113G3172835.

Go IV

Thank you very much for your support.

[thomachan72]

Does this mean IV core is asking us to post this message on Senator Grassley's contact link? There are a few typos in the message and so we should run spell check before posting this comment. Thanks a bunch to DallasBlue for drafting the message.
There has not been any new action item initiated by IV. It is in the best interest of IV member's goals that we strictly follow IVs directions as and when the core group puts them out. Usually action items are posted in red colored thread headings.

[seahawks]

Does this mean IV core is asking us to post this message on Senator Grassley's contact link? There are a few typos in the message and so we should run spell check before posting this comment. Thanks a bunch to DallasBlue for drafting the message.

I don't see it that way, everyone is entitled to express their opinions and thoughts about this and share ideas. However whatever action items are driven by IV will be clearly marked so and will come from the Administrators so that is a concerted, widely adopted clear initiative that the members can execute. That is the only way we can make sure that we are not doing things that are counterproductive to the efforts that IV core is working on.

my 2 cents.

[RohitSharma]

One person holding the whole EB skilled community hostage..Isn't it time to take him by the horns ? My suggestion is we should start a campaign against Senator Grassley, Other senators needs to be asked what are they doing to counter his tactics ?

[green_mile]

One person holding the whole EB skilled community hostage..Isn't it time to take him by the horns ? My suggestion is we should start a campaign against Senator Grassley, Other senators needs to be asked what are they doing to counter his tactics ?

Or Get 60 votes in senate.

[DallasBlue]

One person holding the whole EB skilled community hostage..Isn't it time to take him by the horns ? My suggestion is we should start a campaign against Senator Grassley, Other senators needs to be asked what are they doing to counter his tactics ?

Originally Posted by kiran_pathuri
If Senator Grassley indeed reads these comments, his reply will be as below:
" I am not against H.R.3012, I infact support it. I only want to have a menaingful discussion of how this will effect American high tech workers and also how to make sure that the immigrants won't get exploited ".

I live in Iowa and I got a similar response from him except the sticking toungue. Any good suggestions on how best I can reply to that response.

Senator wants to have a meaningful discussion and find out what is in it , respond to him with your points

[RohitSharma]

Meaningful dialog with Grassley of Iowa and Steve King of Iowa is an impossible commodity my friend.

[green_mile]

Yup ! Grassley is not looking for explanations. He is looking for means to bring attention to himself whether it is through the dollar coin bill or HR 3012.

I roger that.:mad:

[DallasBlue]

An October 2011 analysis by the National Foundation for American Policy concluded wait times for employmentbased
green cards sponsored today can last 5 years or even decades, depending on the category and country of
origin. The analysis found projected waits for Indians of 8 years or more in the EB-2 category and up to 70 years
for Indians in the EB-3 (employment-based third preference) category if sponsored today for an employmentbased
green card, while a Chinese immigrant sponsored today in the EB-3 category could wait two decades.
Some have argued that providing green cards to highly skilled foreign nationals harms the job prospects of
Americans. However, that argument ignores that skilled scientists, researchers and professionals help create
more jobs and innovations. Moreover, such individuals are hired as part of the normal recruitment process,
complementing, not replacing, Americans. Another argument made is that the green card problem is not dire,
since many foreign nationals stay in the United States years after receiving a Ph.D. But foreign nationals with
Ph.D.s are more likely to work in academia and represent only about 13 percent of H-1B visa holders annually.
The 5-year stay rate for Indians earning Ph.D.s at U.S. universities in science and engineering declined from 89
percent for those who received a doctorate in the year 2000, to 79 percent for Indian recipients of Ph.D.s in 2004.
Even if Ph.D.s from India and China were staying in the U.S. at the same rate as before it would not be relevant to
the green card problems experienced by foreign nationals at the masters and undergraduate levels.
Congress can make two reforms to alleviate the long wait times for skilled immigrants: 1) eliminate the per country
limit for employment-based immigrants and 2) provide an exemption from employment-based green card quotas
for foreign nationals who earn a masters degree or higher in science, technology, engineering or mathematics
(STEM) from a U.S. university. Recently introduced bills would make such reforms. Without changes to the law,
the long wait times for high skilled foreign nationals, including those educated in America, will continue. This
threatens to deprive the country of talented individuals who will choose to make their careers in other nations.
A grant from the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation funded the research for this NFAP paper. The contents of
this publication are solely the responsibility of the National Foundation for American Policy.



http://www.nfap.com/pdf/NFAPPolicyBrief.StillWaiting.June2012.pdf

[DallasBlue]

I don't see it that way, everyone is entitled to express their opinions and thoughts about this and share ideas. However whatever action items are driven by IV will be clearly marked so and will come from the Administrators so that is a concerted, widely adopted clear initiative that the members can execute. That is the only way we can make sure that we are not doing things that are counterproductive to the efforts that IV core is working on.

my 2 cents.

Quote:
Originally Posted by shekhar_shashi
Does this mean IV core is asking us to post this message on Senator Grassley's contact link? There are a few typos in the message and so we should run spell check before posting this comment.

can someone with good writing skill, put together a rebuttal statement for Senator Grassleys response, after all he says he is for HR3012 , he is concerned about and wants to hear and discuss about
1.Safeguard 'American Tech worker' interests.
2.'immigrant worker abuse'

[Robert Kumar]

Quote:


can someone with good writing skill, put together a rebuttal statement for Senator Grassleys response, after all he says he is for HR3012 , he is concerned about and wants to hear and discuss about
1.Safeguard 'American Tech worker' interests.
2.'immigrant worker abuse'

Do whatever best you can, follow action items, post on Grassley's site, contribute to IV, and also ask for collaborative effort. While we wait for collaborative efforts, lets not hold up on doing our individual efforts.

[RohitSharma]

I wish I wasn't born in the country of 'The Gandhi'. It takes a life to get an ear. I don't have that in spare. I am not getting the point why would anybody waste time convincing 'Grasseley'. He has a set agenda, he knows very well what he's doing.

[checkmet64]

Just figured out problem with my Paypal account.

Subscription Name: Donation to Support Immigration Voice (User: checkmet64)
Subscription Number: S-485350370V368492P

Planning to be more frequent with contributions !!

[DallasBlue]

I wish I wasn't born in the country of 'The Gandhi'. It takes a life to get an ear. I don't have that in spare. I am not getting the point why would anybody waste time convincing 'Grasseley'. He has a set agenda, he knows very well what he's doing.

with a statement we are trying to dispel myths for those who are convinced by his statement. And this is always needed

[seahawks]

Quote:


can someone with good writing skill, put together a rebuttal statement for Senator Grassleys response, after all he says he is for HR3012 , he is concerned about and wants to hear and discuss about
1.Safeguard 'American Tech worker' interests.
2.'immigrant worker abuse'

Dallasblue, I can relate to your situation and the anxiety of everyone like us who are eagerly waiting to do something. In moments like this, many times I have felt helpless as we don't have control over the situation or process that we are put into (unless we take on drastic steps to decide our own fate and plan to go back which is an option). I used to visit local congressman offices and send letters and emails to get lawmakers attention. I feel we have reached a point where we need to wait for the process to pan out and let IV core guide us on where our energies can be spent effectively and as a group. I don't mean to disrespect your efforts or thoughts, but the time has come where whatever we do or not do can have an effect. It is in the best of our own interest to wait for guidance and look for action items and rally up everyone to accomplish any action items that comes by.

Sorry if my post may sound something that is dampening your spirit, my only intent is to make sure we don't randomize members of this community with any of our asks unless it is something IV core wants us to do.

[happyfeet]

I agree that team IV should guide us and I feel this could help.

It very clear that there are solutions beyond political delays/obstacles, like the current DREAMERS fix.

I think there are attorney's who guide the team IV. So team IV should create a new petition with the help of attorney's in the 'We the people' page of white house.

Every one of the legal immigrant community should sign and there should be at least 100k signatures.

This is the existing petition in the link.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition...ed-immigration

We need some solution..

[DallasBlue]

Dallasblue, I can relate to your situation and the anxiety of everyone like us who are eagerly waiting to do something. In moments like this, many times I have felt helpless as we don't have control over the situation or process that we are put into (unless we take on drastic steps to decide our own fate and plan to go back which is an option). I used to visit local congressman offices and send letters and emails to get lawmakers attention. I feel we have reached a point where we need to wait for the process to pan out and let IV core guide us on where our energies can be spent effectively and as a group. I don't mean to disrespect your efforts or thoughts, but the time has come where whatever we do or not do can have an effect. It is in the best of our own interest to wait for guidance and look for action items and rally up everyone to accomplish any action items that comes by.

Sorry if my post may sound something that is dampening your spirit, my only intent is to make sure we don't randomize members of this community with any of our asks unless it is something IV core wants us to do.

got it. I could have posted it on donor forum.

[seahawks]

Added a 50 dollar recurring for 6 months as my previous recurring was coming to an end.

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[GCkiyaGanja]

Sorry folks I am new to this forum posting business.. I have been donating to IV on and off and I am one of you who has lived through this misery for 9 years now..

I dont know whether we will succeed ..I hope so..but I am losing hope and faith that anything would happen. Everyday goes by with no progress .

I don't want to generalise but can speak for myself, I am torn between two worlds, 1 a better future for my 4 year old daughter who mimics sharapova and wants to play tennis , her dream if at all can be fulfilled only in the US. On the other hand are my old parents in India who still worry for their son who is 40.

What do I do? I am sick of living this life that hangs by one persons rigid view of the matter..but can we really change it..if it can be changed it is in the next 3 months else I can only shudder to think as to how many more years we will beg and beg and keep on begging.

I am 40 , and honestly I don't even know what my feeling would be if I get my green card at 60 (if I get one) . Is it really worth the wait. Again this is my story and I just wanted to vent out ..I feel a sense anger,pity and sorrow for all of us donaitng , advocating , trying to be positive and hoping against hope that something will change..

I hope that day comes soon..can't sleep tonight like every night..good luck my dear friends.

[pappu]

Have faith. Do not lose hope. We have confidence and have not lost any hope.
Nothing is impossible if there is lot of support for the task.


Sorry folks I am new to this forum posting business.. I have been donating to IV on and off and I am one of you who has lived through this misery for 9 years now..

I dont know whether we will succeed ..I hope so..but I am losing hope and faith that anything would happen. Everyday goes by with no progress .

I don't want to generalise but can speak for myself, I am torn between two worlds, 1 a better future for my 4 year old daughter who mimics sharapova and wants to play tennis , her dream if at all can be fulfilled only in the US. On the other hand are my old parents in India who still worry for their son who is 40.

What do I do? I am sick of living this life that hangs by one persons rigid view of the matter..but can we really change it..if it can be changed it is in the next 3 months else I can only shudder to think as to how many more years we will beg and beg and keep on begging.

I am 40 , and honestly I don't even know what my feeling would be if I get my green card at 60 (if I get one) . Is it really worth the wait. Again this is my story and I just wanted to vent out ..I feel a sense anger,pity and sorrow for all of us donaitng , advocating , trying to be positive and hoping against hope that something will change..

I hope that day comes soon..can't sleep tonight like every night..good luck my dear friends.

[thomachan72]

Sorry folks I am new to this forum posting business.. I have been donating to IV on and off and I am one of you who has lived through this misery for 9 years now..

I dont know whether we will succeed ..I hope so..but I am losing hope and faith that anything would happen. Everyday goes by with no progress .

I don't want to generalise but can speak for myself, I am torn between two worlds, 1 a better future for my 4 year old daughter who mimics sharapova and wants to play tennis , her dream if at all can be fulfilled only in the US. On the other hand are my old parents in India who still worry for their son who is 40.

What do I do? I am sick of living this life that hangs by one persons rigid view of the matter..but can we really change it..if it can be changed it is in the next 3 months else I can only shudder to think as to how many more years we will beg and beg and keep on begging.

I am 40 , and honestly I don't even know what my feeling would be if I get my green card at 60 (if I get one) . Is it really worth the wait. Again this is my story and I just wanted to vent out ..I feel a sense anger,pity and sorrow for all of us donaitng , advocating , trying to be positive and hoping against hope that something will change..

I hope that day comes soon..can't sleep tonight like every night..good luck my dear friends.

Only thing I can say is that "you have company". I would say >80% of IV members are going through exactly what you mentioned above. The uncertainity, issue of parents left behind, future prospects for children, our own job restrictions, inability to invest money properly etc etc.. Infact this is the curse of this generation. Nobody is satisfied. We are all running to attain something. When one goal is attained immediatly it becomes past and insufficient because others are waiting.
I would say your hopelessness is an asset. Imagine how much pain the dreamers went through before they finally saw the light. They were undocumented and fearful and now they are documented and free. All because of their unwavering determination that arose from a sense of utter hopelessness. We will achieve the same victory that they did. Just allow your hopelessness to motivate you to do something about it rather than brood over it.

[Robert Kumar]

Have faith. Do not lose hope. We have confidence and have not lost any hope.
Nothing is impossible if there is lot of support for the task.

Thanks Pappu for encouragement.
We're contributing to IV whenever we can, but please advise us if we all can take up something. Growing frustration is expected as time is running out, and our 3012 appears not where it is supposed to be. Can you please start a campaign to see if Mr. Grassley can act fast. we are all ready to support anything IV leadership takes up.

[gcharry]

GCkiyaGanja, If you have GC it's great, wonderful. Certainly it is going to get out of H1 renewal, stamping and maybe other opportunities etc. I know so many friends and nuthin has changed (carrer wise) for them since they got GC and for a few a lot has been changed.

You sound like GC is everything, and it's not.

Your daughter still can play tennis like Sharapova regardless you have GC or not, you can travel back and forth to your home country. Enjoy your life and support IV if you can.

[dts]

Have faith. Do not lose hope. We have confidence and have not lost any hope.
Nothing is impossible if there is lot of support for the task.

Yes. Be positive. Our efforts for fairness should not go in vain.
Let's focus on AI and get more friends, relatives to be active and support.

[gc_check]

Sorry folks I am new to this forum posting business.. I have been donating to IV on and off and I am one of you who has lived through this misery for 9 years now..

I dont know whether we will succeed ..I hope so..but I am losing hope and faith that anything would happen. Everyday goes by with no progress .

I don't want to generalise but can speak for myself, I am torn between two worlds, 1 a better future for my 4 year old daughter who mimics sharapova and wants to play tennis , her dream if at all can be fulfilled only in the US. On the other hand are my old parents in India who still worry for their son who is 40.

What do I do? I am sick of living this life that hangs by one persons rigid view of the matter..but can we really change it..if it can be changed it is in the next 3 months else I can only shudder to think as to how many more years we will beg and beg and keep on begging.

I am 40 , and honestly I don't even know what my feeling would be if I get my green card at 60 (if I get one) . Is it really worth the wait. Again this is my story and I just wanted to vent out ..I feel a sense anger,pity and sorrow for all of us donaitng , advocating , trying to be positive and hoping against hope that something will change..

I hope that day comes soon..can't sleep tonight like every night..good luck my dear friends.

Life isn't fair for all - A friend/ex-colleague who started Labor process 10 weeks before me, got his labor from old RIR process and file 485 on time and got GC during July Fiasco. Well, my case had to detour through Backlog Elimination Center (If y'all still remember it...) We both were @ that time employed with a NASDAQ listed company, Also a vendor for Fortune 20 and worked for same Account/Client Manager and filed through the in-house legal department. This week, he already filed his paper work to become a US Citizen. I am happy for him and his family. Sometimes I feel, this isn't fair for me. But, being frustrated or sad isn't going to change my life. We will get there eventually - we just need a lot of patience and being persistent is the key. If you look at the history, there was never a good time for Immigration legislature and there never will be - but Immigration related business was done in congress in past and will be done in future too. I still believe some relief will be there. Again it will not be fair for all the concerned, but overall any relief to any one that is under the EB category will help the rest in some way.

It does not matter where you are, you can still make things happen for your child as long as you identify the strength right and give proper guidance/encouragement.

[dts]

Only thing I can say is that "you have company". I would say >80% of IV members are going through exactly what you mentioned above. The uncertainity, issue of parents left behind, future prospects for children, our own job restrictions, inability to invest money properly etc etc.. Infact this is the curse of this generation. Nobody is satisfied. We are all running to attain something. When one goal is attained immediatly it becomes past and insufficient because others are waiting.
I would say your hopelessness is an asset. Imagine how much pain the dreamers went through before they finally saw the light. They were undocumented and fearful and now they are documented and free. All because of their unwavering determination that arose from a sense of utter hopelessness. We will achieve the same victory that they did. Just allow your hopelessness to motivate you to do something about it rather than brood over it.

Yes. and I see some good in Dreamers resolution. Until now , not only Grassley was hurdle but Democrrats and Herry Ried were reluctant to move ahead with any immigration bill which does not address DREAMers.
And of course, they were right. DREAMers problems are way too high than us.
Now that being resolved, Democrats and Herry Reid may move focus on H.R.3012.
Again, this is just my understanding and I do not ahve have any special info like all other ordinary members.

[rayoflight]

Hi GCKiyaGanja,

Can you please update your profile?

Thanks,
Rayoflight

[unluckydude]

Sorry folks I am new to this forum posting business.. I have been donating to IV on and off and I am one of you who has lived through this misery for 9 years now..

I dont know whether we will succeed ..I hope so..but I am losing hope and faith that anything would happen. Everyday goes by with no progress .

I don't want to generalise but can speak for myself, I am torn between two worlds, 1 a better future for my 4 year old daughter who mimics sharapova and wants to play tennis , her dream if at all can be fulfilled only in the US. On the other hand are my old parents in India who still worry for their son who is 40.

What do I do? I am sick of living this life that hangs by one persons rigid view of the matter..but can we really change it..if it can be changed it is in the next 3 months else I can only shudder to think as to how many more years we will beg and beg and keep on begging.

I am 40 , and honestly I don't even know what my feeling would be if I get my green card at 60 (if I get one) . Is it really worth the wait. Again this is my story and I just wanted to vent out ..I feel a sense anger,pity and sorrow for all of us donaitng , advocating , trying to be positive and hoping against hope that something will change..

I hope that day comes soon..can't sleep tonight like every night..good luck my dear friends.

From the above,

replace 9 with 13 - will 13 prove lucky?
4 with 16 - kid will be in college in 2 years and treated as international student
40 with 47 - dogs life
60 with 70 - will i be alive @ 70

thats my story......... where do I vent my frustration?

[rayoflight]

Hi,

I know its a long journey. Do not lose hope. I just have few questions which am sure you have already researched and pursued if not might be helpful in your journey.


Did you look at the option of filing EB2 for yourself or your spouse?
Are you pursuing or in the final stages of completing your Masters?
Is your spouse birth country other than the high demand countries like China, India or Mexico?


If the answer for the above is 'No'. Did you consider moving to Canada as a Backup?

Hang in there.

Thank You,
Rayoflight

From the above,

replace 9 with 13 - will 13 prove lucky?
4 with 16 - kid will be in college in 2 years and treated as international student
40 with 47 - dogs life
60 with 70 - will i be alive @ 70

thats my story......... where do I vent my frustration?

[skrish]

and dont worry dude - sania mirza is just as good a role model as maria sharapova.

You can learn tennis just fine in India. In fact, you can find more clay courts there, wheras in the US majority of free courts are concrete.

:)

Sorry folks I am new to this forum posting business.. I have been donating to IV on and off and I am one of you who has lived through this misery for 9 years now..

I dont know whether we will succeed ..I hope so..but I am losing hope and faith that anything would happen. Everyday goes by with no progress .

I don't want to generalise but can speak for myself, I am torn between two worlds, 1 a better future for my 4 year old daughter who mimics sharapova and wants to play tennis , her dream if at all can be fulfilled only in the US. On the other hand are my old parents in India who still worry for their son who is 40.

What do I do? I am sick of living this life that hangs by one persons rigid view of the matter..but can we really change it..if it can be changed it is in the next 3 months else I can only shudder to think as to how many more years we will beg and beg and keep on begging.

I am 40 , and honestly I don't even know what my feeling would be if I get my green card at 60 (if I get one) . Is it really worth the wait. Again this is my story and I just wanted to vent out ..I feel a sense anger,pity and sorrow for all of us donaitng , advocating , trying to be positive and hoping against hope that something will change..

I hope that day comes soon..can't sleep tonight like every night..good luck my dear friends.

[checkmet64]

Seems that a lot of well-founded negative sentiment is kicking in as the time runs out in this year's legislative calendar. All the supporters of this effort like to know as to what is the basis for hope. How should the folks hang in there?

The practical questions that need to be answered at this juncture probably are-

1. Where does the experts on this forum think the hope reside?
2. What are the likely scenarios?
3. What are the options for effectively avoiding the hold and getting HR3012 passed?
4. Is there really a hope or just an illusion?

Any ideas?

I don't think many of us can wait for another two years, its probably not even worth it. If there is no real hope I don't want to be the last one to know.

[malaGCPahije]

Life isn't fair for all - A friend/ex-colleague who started Labor process 10 weeks before me, got his labor from old RIR process and file 485 on time and got GC during July Fiasco. Well, my case had to detour through Backlog Elimination Center (If y'all still remember it...) We both were @ that time employed with a NASDAQ listed company, Also a vendor for Fortune 20 and worked for same Account/Client Manager and filed through the in-house legal department. This week, he already filed his paper work to become a US Citizen. I am happy for him and his family. Sometimes I feel, this isn't fair for me. But, being frustrated or sad isn't going to change my life. We will get there eventually - we just need a lot of patience and being persistent is the key. If you look at the history, there was never a good time for Immigration legislature and there never will be - but Immigration related business was done in congress in past and will be done in future too. I still believe some relief will be there. Again it will not be fair for all the concerned, but overall any relief to any one that is under the EB category will help the rest in some way.

It does not matter where you are, you can still make things happen for your child as long as you identify the strength right and give proper guidance/encouragement.

Well said gc_check. As an individual it is comparatively easier for us to handle the stress, laugh it out. But spouse, kids and aging parents add the extra stress and makes it all so important to finally get there. I believe that things happen, sometimes when least expected. Like the well known quote from Bhagvad Gita, "Karmanye Vadhika Rasye...", we should focus on the actions we need to take and not on the result. Focusing on the result will cause us more stress. Easily said than done, agree. But focusing on the action(s) needed should be our immediate goal. Results will take care of themselves.

[DallasBlue]

Senator Grassley please remove the hold on HR3012.

H.R.3012 does not impact the "american tech worker". If the issue is about more number of tech workers coming in here to USA HR3012 doesn’t increase the visa numbers. This bill is removing the country caps. When a professional is hired one is not hired on the basis of nationality but only on the basis of the skills. The current wait times for India and china are like 50 years which is totally unreasonable. Tech workers are not impacted with or without H.R.3012 because all these people will remain here in US and are working here on AOS status (adjustment of status/Employment Authorization) and eventually be American tech worker in a matter of 5 years or 50 years.


"Some have argued that providing green cards to highly skilled foreign nationals harms the job prospects of
Americans. However, that argument ignores that skilled scientists, researchers and professionals help create
more jobs and innovations. Moreover, such individuals are hired as part of the normal recruitment process,
complementing, not replacing, Americans. Another argument made is that the green card problem is not dire,
since many foreign nationals stay in the United States years after receiving a Ph.D. But foreign nationals with
Ph.D.s are more likely to work in academia and represent only about 13 percent of H-1B visa holders annually.
The 5-year stay rate for Indians earning Ph.D.s at U.S. universities in science and engineering declined from 89
percent for those who received a doctorate in the year 2000, to 79 percent for Indian recipients of Ph.D.s in 2004.
Even if Ph.D.s from India and China were staying in the U.S. at the same rate as before it would not be relevant to
the green card problems experienced by foreign nationals at the masters and undergraduate levels."


Also, against 'immigrant exploitation', there are a lot of labor laws and worker safety laws that safeguard not only the immigrant workers but all the American tech and non tech workers.

Also apart from the above,

HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bolster the housing loans and banks here)
will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now renewing EAD every year, they will buy those cars that they are putting off , buy those gadgets, equipment, tools etc. improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy

HR3012 serves national interest


refrences:

http://www.nfap.com/pdf/NFAPPolicyBrief.StillWaiting.June2012.pdf
http://competeamerica.org/sites/default/files/files/EB%20Green%20Cards%20at%20a%20Glance-2011%20FINAL.pdf

guys act now,

http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=57856511

http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=57856511

[Robert Kumar]

guys act now,

ImmigrationVoice.org - Advocacy -- Request your leadership to support HR 3012 Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act (http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=57856511)

ImmigrationVoice.org - Advocacy -- Request your leadership to support HR 3012 Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act (http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=57856511)

Good, I sent this to Mr.Grassley again.

[Robert Kumar]

DallasBlue,
Your draft has fodder for anti-immigrants like Grassley. Don't create action items on your own. Let IV core inform members it they need to undertake any action item.

It is surprising that you persistently create your own action items and IV core keeps mum.
Action items have to be done ALL the time. what part of it did you miss, Nancy.
Action items include contributing to IV, writing to Senators, Awareness.

[DallasBlue]

DallasBlue,
Your draft has fodder for anti-immigrants like Grassley. Don't create action items on your own. Let IV core inform members it they need to undertake any action item.

It is surprising that you persistently create your own action items and IV core keeps mum.

just collaborating , did not mean to create any action item. If there are problems in it, please fix it or better delete it

[checkmet64]

Action items have to be done ALL the time. what part of it did you miss, Nancy.
Action items include contributing to IV, writing to Senators, Awareness.

Harry you are missing a critical point "it all comes with IVs preapproval". It has been repeatedly said by IV on this forum that any of our actions/inactions can affect the process. This is not a time for public action items, its time for "more focused" advocacy. All you might do is to annoy the senator.

Are you an anti?

[checkmet64]

just collaborating , did not mean to create any action item. If there are problems in it, please fix it or better delete it

And you Dallasblue, how about you run it past IV core member before you post on public forum? You may end up cutting the brach you are sitting. :mad:

[Gandhi_II]

It is disappointing that so much of the national immigration debate focuses on issues of those who have broken immigration laws while little or no attention is given to the issues of those who have followed them. I urge you to take steps to fix the legal immigration system for high skilled immigrants so we can use our talents to drive innovation and create jobs in the United States. Specifically, I urge you to support efforts to bring relief to highly skilled immigrants and remove the drag that the backlogs in the employment-based immigration system are creating on the economy.

[pappu]

Harry you are missing a critical point "it all comes with IVs preapproval". It has been repeatedly said by IV on this forum that any of our actions/inactions can affect the process. This is not a time for public action items, its time for "more focused" advocacy. All you might do is to annoy the senator.

Are you an anti?

As stated earlier at this stage no amount of sending emails or signing online petitions will help. No amount of phone calls will work. The real work is advocacy and that is what we do. Bills do not get passed by online petitions or emails. They can only be helpful at certain times and only if they are sent by an organization that has credibility and political capital. Only then someone will even look at that email. We are way past that stage. If there is any action item, then people who have not yet signed up for recurring contributions should sign up. Because that allows us to put in more resources in doing advocacy work. There are still tons of IV members who have not signed up . It is time to show that we all truly care for solving our wretched situation and get relief. If we say in posts we are going through nightmare due to retrogression, then when IV calls, we should be answering that call for support. Many thanks to everyone that have been supporting through this struggle. This post is for those who are still on the sidelines and have not joined this advocacy effort to help themselves.

[flthere]

Technically, HR3012 will not increase the number of visas already granted by the Congress - it'll remain at 140k. However, there will be a net increase in the 'number of tech workers'. Of course, fortunately the lost visas under EB category is negligible in the past couple years, but when visas were lost earlier, the number of tech workers added to the system effectively was less because I & C were not allowed to consume.

[GCkiyaGanja]

Have faith. Do not lose hope. We have confidence and have not lost any hope.
Nothing is impossible if there is lot of support for the task.

Pappu , there is no doubt about the support and commitment to our cause . I am sure all have gone and are going through a phase where the whole world seems against you.

My apologies to all my dear friends I didn't mean to bring our confidence down by narrating my situation..

[psaxena]

Have faith. Do not lose hope. We have confidence and have not lost any hope.
Nothing is impossible if there is lot of support for the task.

Pappu,
I am regular donor and had been donating for quite a while. I just don't understand why IV is not planning to take some action which gets noticed and bring this issue to the front burner exposing the senator who is blocking it. Lets start a flower campaign, media will notice it and then flood the youtube with home made video addressing how removing country quota is "Actually helping American Interest" and share of facebook and twitter again and again.
Everytime someone proposes this , IV says NO NO ..why ???? what is there to loose.
HR3012 is blocked and with all this efforts worst case it will remain the same. Also instead of us proposing this idea, IV should be planning and executing this way before.
Even grass is under the shoes and never get noticed till it gets into the eye. This grass root community also needs to get into the eyes to be noticed.
This is the best time EB2 is unavailable, more people will join the campaign.

Not that I don't respect and admire the efforts of IV but seems its loosing the steam.

[thomachan72]

Pappu,
I am regular donor and had been donating for quite a while. I just don't understand why IV is not planning to take some action which gets noticed and bring this issue to the front burner exposing the senator who is blocking it. Lets start a flower campaign, media will notice it and then flood the youtube with home made video addressing how removing country quota is "Actually helping American Interest" and share of facebook and twitter again and again.
Everytime someone proposes this , IV says NO NO ..why ???? what is there to loose.
HR3012 is blocked and with all this efforts worst case it will remain the same. Also instead of us proposing this idea, IV should be planning and executing this way before.
Even grass is under the shoes and never get noticed till it gets into the eye. This grass root community also needs to get into the eyes to be noticed.
This is the best time EB2 is unavailable, more people will join the campaign.

Not that I don't respect and admire the efforts of IV but seems its loosing the steam.
Saxena you and me agree without any doubt that IV is the only reason we are even discussing this bill now, right? So let us show some trust with the IV leadership rather than being impatient. It is so nice for you and me to have a core group that is dedicated to fight for our cause. All we have to do is to look for directions and then follow them. Whatever the outcome just remember that IV is committed to using the best possible means given the limited resources and support that IV has now. Remember that IV core is well aware of flower mailing or Halwa/Laddu distrubution. Let us wait for them to give us the approval if these would work.
Show support by joining and getting others to join. Each additional person brings more strength to this community and we will win together. Not only 3012 but many other goals in future.

[psaxena]

Saxena you and me agree without any doubt that IV is the only reason we are even discussing this bill now, right? So let us show some trust with the IV leadership rather than being impatient. It is so nice for you and me to have a core group that is dedicated to fight for our cause. All we have to do is to look for directions and then follow them. Whatever the outcome just remember that IV is committed to using the best possible means given the limited resources and support that IV has now. Remember that IV core is well aware of flower mailing or Halwa/Laddu distrubution. Let us wait for them to give us the approval if these would work.
Show support by joining and getting others to join. Each additional person brings more strength to this community and we will win together. Not only 3012 but many other goals in future.

I completely agree with you. So the bill is here now.. but there is an urgent need to take it to the next level. Time is running out here, there is no surgical way to get the solution to it. Scott Brown(R) begged like anything to the Grassley who is also from the same party and nothing happened. So I don't think any fine advocacy will work here, unless that his name is out in the open as an anti immigrant , who doesn't want America to grow and his agenda will not benefit anyone except a few small groups.

I am not impatient I have EAD , permanent job and best of all I don't have to pay for EAD renewal , all I have to do is reply to my company's attorney reminder,saying goahead and I am all set. But this is above and more than me,this is an injustice , this is wrong and should be corrected.

Believe it or not this is the right thing to do at this time..we have nothing to loose but to gain. Worst case nothing happens, good thing atleast for the next session, senators and others will know about the issue of High Skilled immigrants and will keep this in mind. Not only that making sound through "Halwa Campaign" or the flower campaign and flooding youtube videos there will be a lot of awareness. Right now if any one knows about legal immigrants, they think we are on H1B, cheap labor ,american job snatchers and nothing much. This kind of effort will play in different directions , creating awareness of who we are, 99.9% americans or others I met knows nothing on EAD or AOS and issues related to it also will help building the ground for more support.

I will urge IV and others to move on this plan.Time is gone to do the fine surgical campaign, now is the time for doing something which is noticeable.

[Robert Kumar]

I completely agree with you. So the bill is here now.. but there is an urgent need to take it to the next level. Time is running out here, there is no surgical way to get the solution to it. Scott Brown(R) begged like anything to the Grassley who is also from the same party and nothing happened. So I don't think any fine advocacy will work here, unless that his name is out in the open as an anti immigrant , who doesn't want America to grow and his agenda will not benefit anyone except a few small groups.

I am not impatient I have EAD , permanent job and best of all I don't have to pay for EAD renewal , all I have to do is reply to my company's attorney reminder,saying goahead and I am all set. But this is above and more than me,this is an injustice , this is wrong and should be corrected.

Believe it or not this is the right thing to do at this time..we have nothing to loose but to gain. Worst case nothing happens, good thing atleast for the next session, senators and others will know about the issue of High Skilled immigrants and will keep this in mind. Not only that making sound through "Halwa Campaign" or the flower campaign and flooding youtube videos there will be a lot of awareness. Right now if any one knows about legal immigrants, they think we are on H1B, cheap labor ,american job snatchers and nothing much. This kind of effort will play in different directions , creating awareness of who we are, 99.9% americans or others I met knows nothing on EAD or AOS and issues related to it also will help building the ground for more support.

I will urge IV and others to move on this plan.Time is gone to do the fine surgical campaign, now is the time for doing something which is noticeable.

I fully support your ideas, and I have expressed similar. But at the same time I have trust and confidence on IV leadership too.
We need direction from IV at this time to do some campaign as time is REALLY running out. We have hoped this Bill to be in Senate on Jan 23rd, and this is June. if one more month passes with no action like this, then the bill gets doomed. And to get to the level it came to can become next to impossible. Lets please do something. A flower campaign to Mr Grassley at DC office will attract attention. Lets please do it again, and hit headlines.

[srikant9]

I totally agree with Saxena and others, we need to do it NOW otherwise it would be never...we can't just wait something to happen by itself..we are dealing with dirty politics...at one hand they would do create jobs and other hand they don't want to pass the bill ...so lets do flower campaign or something simlar ...create awareness through media CNN, ABC etc...as suggested...

[Chandini]

Each State Technology Organizations are write to All the IT companies in Support of H R 3012. They want to proof that skilled workers are very less in this country. My Organization got a email too.

[flthere]

I have also thought about "exposing" at some point. The reason he is so arrogant is all he needs to get elected is some rural votes from IOWA. If you look at his electoral history, he has a strong majority. He has job security. Even if the rest of the country screams at him, he won't care as all it matters to get him to senate is Iowa.

The only he can be moderated is if he can be kicked out of committee memberships and leaderships by GOP. Not sure whether GOP is willing to do that.

As for the advocacy , I will leave it completely to IV leadership since they will only know the fine art of advocacy. We may be tempted to expose etc, but let us leave it to IV leadership.

I agree it is a good time for stronger advocacy in the backdrop of Obama's executive order.

Maybe we need to write to the person who competed against or will be competing against Grassley in Iowa what Grassley has been doing to stop the country's progress, and let the competing democrat/republican do what we can't do directly. This way, when Mr. Grassley goes to polls next time, he'll face some music instead of a cake walk.

[flthere]

Can IV do something like that because if such a word comes from advocacy group like IV, the competing persons may give a thought. If we, as individuals, write to them, the word may not even reach the person.

When is Mr. Grassley up for election next time ? aaahh .. i just checked, he won't see elections until 2014 :-(

[kiran_pathuri]

Can IV do something like that because if such a word comes from advocacy group like IV, the competing persons may give a thought. If we, as individuals, write to them, the word may not even reach the person.

When is Mr. Grassley up for election next time ? aaahh .. i just checked, he won't see elections until 2014 :-(

He is not up for elections till 2016. He got elected in 2010 and Senate term is for 6 years. As per wikipedia his funding comes mostly from Wellfargo and Blue cross blue shield both which are based in Iowa.
"According to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, the industries that have been the largest contributors to Grassley during his political career are health professionals ($1 million in contributions), insurance industry ($997,674), lawyers/law firms ($625,543) and pharmaceuticals/health products ($538,680). His largest corporate donors have been Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance, Amgen biotech company and Wells Fargo bank."

I live in Iowa and has asked local Telugu association CITA who has many citizens and GC holders to help us and will be seeking an appointment with Mr.Grassley.

[praskar]

Am I the only one that thinks the flower campaign is an atrocious idea?! It looked a bit tacky when done in 2007, and I would hate for us to get headlines that way. Not to mention that Grassley would get irritated by it. I thought it was way tacky back then, seems even more now.

If we're selling ourselves as "America needs us, us high tech workers", the last thing we want to do is whore down flowers up his throat, looks awfully desparate.

[misanthrope]

and dont worry dude - sania mirza is just as good a role model as maria sharapova.

You can learn tennis just fine in India. In fact, you can find more clay courts there, wheras in the US majority of free courts are concrete.

:)

Maria Sharapova is #1 singles player in the world. Sania Mirza FAILED in singles. There are several other aspects as to how Sharapova is better, but more specifically, please do not promote mediocrity as an alternate path to achievements. US is a better place as compared to India especially Tennis because there are a lot of Tennis Schools that have produced top ranking players in both singles/doubles. BUT, It will cost you an arm and a leg (may be kidney too). Not only that... The conditioning of players is at a totally different level.
I also find it absurd that you talk about free courts when this person is talking about taking a pro route. Paying money for court reservation is not even comparable to the overall cost of getting the kid in the pro circuit. Also, clay courts in India are a joke. By that logic french players should be dancing their way to Roland Garros finals.

Disclaimer - I used to play AITA tournaments and did fairly well in my youth. I still actively play in USTA leagues here and train with USTA coaches.

[dts]

Pappu,
I am regular donor and had been donating for quite a while. I just don't understand why IV is not planning to take some action which gets noticed and bring this issue to the front burner exposing the senator who is blocking it. Lets start a flower campaign, media will notice it and then flood the youtube with home made video addressing how removing country quota is "Actually helping American Interest" and share of facebook and twitter again and again.
Everytime someone proposes this , IV says NO NO ..why ???? what is there to loose.
HR3012 is blocked and with all this efforts worst case it will remain the same. Also instead of us proposing this idea, IV should be planning and executing this way before.
Even grass is under the shoes and never get noticed till it gets into the eye. This grass root community also needs to get into the eyes to be noticed.
This is the best time EB2 is unavailable, more people will join the campaign.

Not that I don't respect and admire the efforts of IV but seems its loosing the steam.

Flower compaign was suggested at least 100 times on this forum. However IV consistently denied idea . That is actually good sign that something is still going on background.
To me, whenever IV will ask for flower compaign means bill in very bad shape.
All we can request IV core team that "Flower compaign is also one effective weapon . Do not let it go unused in case of ultimate defeat."

At this point , we should bring more people on IV contribution , keep faith and be positive, mature instead of being impatient and hostile.

[dts]

He is not up for elections till 2016. He got elected in 2010 and Senate term is for 6 years. As per wikipedia his funding comes mostly from Wellfargo and Blue cross blue shield both which are based in Iowa.
"According to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, the industries that have been the largest contributors to Grassley during his political career are health professionals ($1 million in contributions), insurance industry ($997,674), lawyers/law firms ($625,543) and pharmaceuticals/health products ($538,680). His largest corporate donors have been Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance, Amgen biotech company and Wells Fargo bank."

I live in Iowa and has asked local Telugu association CITA who has many citizens and GC holders to help us and will be seeking an appointment with Mr.Grassley.

Great.. Thanks kiran_pathuri.
members should do these kind of efforts rather than discussing sports and flowers on this forum.
kiran_pathuri, approach IV admin/core team for more guidance in your efforts. I am sure they will provide valuable and effective suggestions.

[checkmet64]

He is not up for elections till 2016. He got elected in 2010 and Senate term is for 6 years. As per wikipedia his funding comes mostly from Wellfargo and Blue cross blue shield both which are based in Iowa.
"According to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, the industries that have been the largest contributors to Grassley during his political career are health professionals ($1 million in contributions), insurance industry ($997,674), lawyers/law firms ($625,543) and pharmaceuticals/health products ($538,680). His largest corporate donors have been Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance, Amgen biotech company and Wells Fargo bank."

I live in Iowa and has asked local Telugu association CITA who has many citizens and GC holders to help us and will be seeking an appointment with Mr.Grassley.

Can you please consult IV on this. Depending upon how your discussion go it will have an effect on IVs effort.

Can someone in IV core comment on this ASAP?

[Robert Kumar]

Am I the only one that thinks the flower campaign is an atrocious idea?! It looked a bit tacky when done in 2007, and I would hate for us to get headlines that way. Not to mention that Grassley would get irritated by it. I thought it was way tacky back then, seems even more now.

If we're selling ourselves as "America needs us, us high tech workers", the last thing we want to do is whore down flowers up his throat, looks awfully desparate.

" It looked a bit tacky when done in 2007".
So did you refuse to take your EAD in 2007 as you felt this way :)
July 07 bulletin was reversed also because IV stood up for us all, and used all these means to revert it back. Due to that you and I have our EADs now.
We need a similar strong campaign.

[kiran_pathuri]

Can you please consult IV on this. Depending upon how your discussion go it will have an effect on IVs effort.

Can someone in IV core comment on this ASAP?

As soon as we get an appointment, the first thing we do is consulting IV.

[dts]

Steve Case: Fixing America's High-Skilled Immigration System - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steve-case-fixing-americas-high-142002555.html)

[psaxena]

We need a loud voice to get through those deaf ears.
Flower campaign or halwa campaign doesn't matter.. but we need something and it should be now..

[Robert Kumar]

We need a loud voice to get through those deaf ears.
Flower campaign or halwa campaign doesn't matter.. but we need something and it should be now..

Why NOW: Because:
1. DREAM just passed
2. Strive 2.0 just introduced
3. Time is running out
4. Job Mkt is good and unemployment rate is low in this category
5. H1B JUST ran out last week
6. Lots of positive talk going on
7. There is a positive talk about immigration
8. Economy is good.

.. loha garam hai maar dho hathoda...

[gk_2000]

We need a loud voice to get through those deaf ears.
Flower campaign or halwa campaign doesn't matter.. but we need something and it should be now..

I will vote for a shoe campaign ... exclusively for sen. youknowwho

[django1]

be careful where you hit the 'hathoda'. With these 'campaigns', the hathoda may just land on your own two feet. we should have a concerted unified action.

[mugembo]

Seems like we are at a stage that we can't do much except contributing regularly to IV. I suggest we all start our own fund raising campaign in support for IV. Ask your friends and family who already have or still waiting for GC to contribute in whatever way they can. Collect money and then donate it to IV.

I would say this to everyone who is reading this message and still haven't contributed to IV. Have faith in these people, they too have a job and family like everyone else, but still they are working hard to get this right and what they are doing is for everyone. All we have to do is click on "donate" while sitting on your chair, if that itself help them to achieve their goal, I would consider that my victory and will be happy that my little effort has mad a difference in so many lives.

It is time to be united and loosen up our wallets. If 10 of us would make $100 contribution, then its only $1,000. But if all 1,000s of us would make same contribution then it's $100,000 and it may prove to be game changer in Washington DC.

So, please everyone consider this request and start helping IV in turn to help ourselves. Thanks IV for what they have done so far and do your part by keep supporting them.

As stated earlier at this stage no amount of sending emails or signing online petitions will help. No amount of phone calls will work. The real work is advocacy and that is what we do. Bills do not get passed by online petitions or emails. They can only be helpful at certain times and only if they are sent by an organization that has credibility and political capital. Only then someone will even look at that email. We are way past that stage. If there is any action item, then people who have not yet signed up for recurring contributions should sign up. Because that allows us to put in more resources in doing advocacy work. There are still tons of IV members who have not signed up . It is time to show that we all truly care for solving our wretched situation and get relief. If we say in posts we are going through nightmare due to retrogression, then when IV calls, we should be answering that call for support. Many thanks to everyone that have been supporting through this struggle. This post is for those who are still on the sidelines and have not joined this advocacy effort to help themselves.

[RohitSharma]

The whole EB community is a fattu lot, we kept thinking if we'll do this hathoda will hit our foot, in the meantime, Grasseley hit it on our headbe careful where you hit the 'hathoda'. With these 'campaigns', the hathoda may just land on your own two feet. we should have a concerted unified action.

[django1]

Think for yourself - where have you seen these measures ever work, except with Sanjay dutt in a movie? Even sanju baba used an AK-52 in real life :) Gandhi had a definite gameplan during non-copoperation movement which ultimately bore fruit - that was that millions of indians not-working(non-cooperating) and not paying (salt) tax puts too much pressure on the finances of a war-ravaged empire to be able to possibly continue to exist, and that is what ultimately happened. can you think of some similarly brilliant idea?

The whole EB community is a fattu lot, we kept thinking if we'll do this hathoda will hit our foot, in the meantime, Grasseley hit it on our head

[pappu]

It is good to see members getting desperate. Let it grow more . And more people need to get desperate instead of few. It is not the time for giving new ideas. That time is long gone. And if there is a desire to do real action, those folks are 1 year late. If you remember we were doing full scale public advocacy work on this bill. We posted on the forums, sent many newsletters and made many phone calls to people urging them to come to DC for our meetings. I remember myself making at least 250 phone calls to members asking to come. Other volunteers too spent nights and weekends calling every person on IV and urging them to come. Why were we even doing that? Should people not come themselves ? They were not doing a favor to IV by coming but a favor to themselves. Some even had the audacity to tell IV that they will come only if IV pays for their travel, stay and food and they will come. And one guy wanted to come with family do meeting and also sightseeing on IV. We refused. We can also see the who is making noise on the forum and how much they have contributed and if they are contributing now. Many do not even have their name and phone number or even correct name and phone number and email address in profile. We wasted so much time calling fake numbers. At this time if there is anything this community can do is support IV and we as a team are committed to working on it. It is not the time to throw new ideas at everyone and expecting IV core to work on them. Even people who give ideas will not work on their ideas once they have to do real work and spend their own time and effort implementing it. They will give all kinds of excuses to wiggle out. And ultimately it becomes IV Cortez's duty to implement what someone ele started. If there is going to be an action item for public, it will be posted for public. We are proud of our dedicated group of volunteers which have been active for a long time and working day and night and weekends with us to solve the problem. It is time to show sincerity and not to show ideas. The desperation needs to increase in each one of us and greencard wait become nightmare for people to realize they need to act. Without this desperation people will only come to forums for entertainment, waste time tracking and predicting, pick a fight or criticize others.

[happyfeet]

I saw this in this thread..

''We need a loud voice to get through those deaf ears''

Two suggestions.. could be too foolish

RING THE BELL-- Organize to do pooja to get GC in temple, church ...on a particular date with publicity

Send cards/letters to senators to reach before July 4th asking for independence (GC), as we are all in Bonded Employment (EB)

[turvi76]

I saw this in this thread..

''We need a loud voice to get through those deaf ears''

Two suggestions.. could be too foolish

RING THE BELL-- Organize to do pooja to get GC in temple, church ...on a particular date with publicity

Send cards/letters to senators to reach before July 4th asking for independence (GC), as we are all in Bonded Employment (EB)
i like your idea of taking this opportunity of "independence day" to emphasize our cause of freedom from this wait. you are so correct and how it ties us down in more than many ways...job, family, entrepreneurship, travel, etc...
lets us also not forget that people will be too consumed in celebrating their long weekends and travelling.

[cmanoj2000]

Pappu

Thanks for your and IV's efforts which have culminated in bring HR 3012 so far. It is very very hard to move things politically and it is a great achievement by IV to see a bill passed by house with more than 80% support.

As you said correctly, getting traction on these things does require hard-work and only discussing things on the forum would not get us much far.

With this large scale effort (on HR 3012), am sure a majority of the lawmakers are aware of the issues involved. However, sometime I wonder if more should and/or can be done to educate the general public about this issue. Most people, and even journalists, are not aware of differences between someone just on H1B (or other kind of temporary visas) and someone in the GC queue looking to become part of America.

Can something be done to bring out the human tragedy in this long drawn immigration process for Indians and Chinese? The loss of productive years, wasted human capital and postponed investments in business/homes costing the economy.

Is there a way to bring out our message in a balanced and non-emotional way for average voter to understand? I think bringing out this message in any form on radio(NPR, others)/tv stations, etc. would give the issue more widespread support. Imagine if David Brooks (NYT) or Peggy Noonan (WSJ) talk even a little bit about this issue, what kind of coverage and reaction it can generate.

Recently WSJ had a great story on asian immigrants - I think a good reply published in "Letters to the editor" highlighting the issues would be positive for the overall IV effort.

What are IV's thoughts on this softer approach as a parallel track?

[immigrant2007]

i like your idea of taking this opportunity of "independence day" to emphasize our cause of freedom from this wait. you are so correct and how it ties us down in more than many ways...job, family, entrepreneurship, travel, etc...
lets us also not forget that people will be too consumed in celebrating their long weekends and travelling.

I dount anything is going t happen. We even dont know from which quota these DREAMERS will gt thier numbers from? how will they be adjudicated? Though I feel for them (being in an unkown status for years ) but not too positive abuot the system which is not very open. WE cant follow up of Lobor cant get true status of our applications cant speak to case officers for such and such reasons all this just because we follow the rules so its our destiny to be treated like trash every time. Sorry guys for being too negative but hoping for anything here in this country for us is impossible.

[h1techSlave]

By failing to act now, IV is essentially "Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory".

Obama has done the unconstitutional move of thwarting the decision of the elected representatives of the American people by giving amnesty to the illegals. Unfortunately this is a very popular move and is very widely praised by the elites in this country, simply because none of the amnestied illegal is going to take the job of those elites (including us).

Now, the Republican party needs some kind of a popular move to show the country that they are also progressive, they are also pro-human being etc. At this time, we can give them this golden opportunity. If HR3012 were to pass, that move can be very effectively be claimed by the Republican party to prove to the American people that the Republican party is also pro-immigration, pro-economic growth, pro-American dream.

But IV has taken the decision to do nothing; essentially "grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory".

[amulchandra]

By failing to act now, IV is essentially "Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory".

Obama has done the unconstitutional move of thwarting the decision of the elected representatives of the American people by giving amnesty to the illegals. Unfortunately this is a very popular move and is very widely praised by the elites in this country, simply because none of the amnestied illegal is going to take the job of those elites (including us).

Now, the Republican party needs some kind of a popular move to show the country that they are also progressive, they are also pro-human being etc. At this time, we can give them this golden opportunity. If HR3012 were to pass, that move can be very effectively be claimed by the Republican party to prove to the American people that the Republican party is also pro-immigration, pro-economic growth, pro-American dream.

But IV has taken the decision to do nothing; essentially "grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory".

Hold on. Will any person/organization stop swimming the current when the banks are so close. Trust them. Definitely there is a reason behind this calm and quietness.

[bigboy007]

Its easy to say than do. IV means you. What have you done to make IV not accept defeat , even though i dont see that way ?

By failing to act now, IV is essentially "Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory".

Obama has done the unconstitutional move of thwarting the decision of the elected representatives of the American people by giving amnesty to the illegals. Unfortunately this is a very popular move and is very widely praised by the elites in this country, simply because none of the amnestied illegal is going to take the job of those elites (including us).

Now, the Republican party needs some kind of a popular move to show the country that they are also progressive, they are also pro-human being etc. At this time, we can give them this golden opportunity. If HR3012 were to pass, that move can be very effectively be claimed by the Republican party to prove to the American people that the Republican party is also pro-immigration, pro-economic growth, pro-American dream.

But IV has taken the decision to do nothing; essentially "grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory".

[h1techSlave]

Hold on. Will any person/organization stop swimming the current when the banks are so close. Trust them. Definitely there is a reason behind this calm and quietness.

The problem amulchandra is that it is human nature to 'Trust' the leader (in this case IV). And any one who brings a new idea to the table is automatically assumed to have only bad things in mind as far as the overall goals of the organization. We (including the organization's leaders themselves) assume that the guys in the top can not make mistakes. They are also human; and human beings often make mistakes. And some times they do "stop swimming the current when the banks are so close."

[h1techSlave]

Its easy to say than do. IV means you. What have you done to make IV not accept defeat , even though i dont see that way ?

"Its easy to say than do." - Sure it is. But first we have to say it aloud and come to a consensus. And then we do the action based on the consuses opinion, right?

"IV means you." - IV included me. I did not say other wise, did I?

"What have you done.." - My question would be: What can I do? Do you have any ideas?

[Robert Kumar]

"Its easy to say than do." - Sure it is. But first we have to say it aloud and come to a consensus. And then we do the action based on the consuses opinion, right?

"IV means you." - IV included me. I did not say other wise, did I?

"What have you done.." - My question would be: What can I do? Do you have any ideas?

The reason with most us getting impatient is the HUGE success we saw that IV did for us. We all have seen how the floor mentioned IV when passing in the house. That raises a LOTs of hopes. And when the Senate is open from last week of Jan, we're all expecting quick action. And now come elections in 4-5 months. So we all feel time is running out very fast, as we dont expect too much action related to these as time passes. Nothing visible happened so far related to this in Senate. Hence we all feel if there is something we can do. And when DREAM passes in one form, that adds more salt to the wound as we feel we're more eligible for that kind of action, being legal.

[GCHope2011]

By failing to act now, IV is essentially "Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory".

Obama has done the unconstitutional move of thwarting the decision of the elected representatives of the American people by giving amnesty to the illegals. Unfortunately this is a very popular move and is very widely praised by the elites in this country, simply because none of the amnestied illegal is going to take the job of those elites (including us).

Now, the Republican party needs some kind of a popular move to show the country that they are also progressive, they are also pro-human being etc. At this time, we can give them this golden opportunity. If HR3012 were to pass, that move can be very effectively be claimed by the Republican party to prove to the American people that the Republican party is also pro-immigration, pro-economic growth, pro-American dream.

But IV has taken the decision to do nothing; essentially "grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory".
"Now, the Republican party needs some kind of a popular move to show the country that they are also progressive, they are also pro-human being etc. At this time, we can give them this golden opportunity. "

And how exactly do you think "we" can give "them" this opportunity? Are "we" the ones who have been stopping "them" (or anyone)?

It is ok to be naive, but it does not help blaming IV based on that naivety..

[waitingnwaiting]

"Now, the Republican party needs some kind of a popular move to show the country that they are also progressive, they are also pro-human being etc. At this time, we can give them this golden opportunity. "

And how exactly do you think "we" can give "them" this opportunity? Are "we" the ones who have been stopping "them" (or anyone)?

It is ok to be naive, but it does not help blaming IV based on that naivety..

Very good reply.

It's easy to say and point fingers. Let these people define 'we' ' them' ' opportunity' and 'how'.

[immigrant2007]

By failing to act now, IV is essentially "Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory".

Obama has done the unconstitutional move of thwarting the decision of the elected representatives of the American people by giving amnesty to the illegals. Unfortunately this is a very popular move and is very widely praised by the elites in this country, simply because none of the amnestied illegal is going to take the job of those elites (including us).

Now, the Republican party needs some kind of a popular move to show the country that they are also progressive, they are also pro-human being etc. At this time, we can give them this golden opportunity. If HR3012 were to pass, that move can be very effectively be claimed by the Republican party to prove to the American people that the Republican party is also pro-immigration, pro-economic growth, pro-American dream.

But IV has taken the decision to do nothing; essentially "grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory".

I don't agree with you that IV is the culprit here. I do not think IV is responsibile for our no improvement in our situation. We ourselves are responsible atleast IV tried to do something but we backloggers prefer going to temple , weekend parties, birthdays and other meaningless stuff but don;t fight for our cause. We SANTCHED the defeat from a certain victory which was made possible by a select few in IV and its supporters. Remeber a team is as good as its players and a Captian as good as its team. Here our Captain IV was far better then us (all backloggers). It showed us a path but we did not want to take it. If all 40000 - 80000 backloggers combine and concentrate their efforts then this dream can be realized otherwise forget it. Each one of us has to somehow concivnce all our coworkers to participate actively as if our life hangs by it. Otherwise forget it (that's why I said in my earlier post That I doubt anything god will happen for us). If we do so then we can criticize IV till then I dont think we have the right to criticize IV.

[waitingnwaiting]

The problem amulchandra is that it is human nature to 'Trust' the leader (in this case IV). And any one who brings a new idea to the table is automatically assumed to have only bad things in mind as far as the overall goals of the organization. We (including the organization's leaders themselves) assume that the guys in the top can not make mistakes. They are also human; and human beings often make mistakes. And some times they do "stop swimming the current when the banks are so close."

Here we go again. If you are sad blame IV. If visa bulletin is bad blame IV. If something good happens, don't thank IV. Thank your lawyer and say it happened on its own. If you get greencard, party and don't thank IV. After getting greencard come back again as anti immigrant and blame IV.

[psaxena]

The problem amulchandra is that it is human nature to 'Trust' the leader (in this case IV). And any one who brings a new idea to the table is automatically assumed to have only bad things in mind as far as the overall goals of the organization. We (including the organization's leaders themselves) assume that the guys in the top can not make mistakes. They are also human; and human beings often make mistakes. And some times they do "stop swimming the current when the banks are so close."

Not that I am against or do not support IV. I am a recurring donor for quite a while and even donated when I had no job and I was laid off. But I must say keeping us out from the Donor forum and always stating something is happening behind the close doors is not flying anymore. We are not the bystander commentators, we are in it and making every effort to get this done. I think even if IV is doing something they are hitting the wall and should be open to more and better ideas. There was once someone idea to open this organization, and now there can be someone else's idea to do something to get this bill passed.. so just don't beat down any idea saying nothing will happen with any idea except the ones coming from IV core camp.

No matter how much conflict of views we may have but we all want is the same thing , this bill to pass, so lets work towards it.

[psaxena]

Here we go again. If you are sad blame IV. If visa bulletin is bad blame IV. If something good happens, don't thank IV. Thank your lawyer and say it happened on its own. If you get greencard, party and don't thank IV. After getting greencard come back again as anti immigrant and blame IV.

No one is blaming IV.. stop ranting the same lines anytime anyone stands up to speak the right thing he felt. IV is working , but are not getting desired results, so asking IV to change the strategy or telling them that it may be a better idea to make a different approach is not blaming IV.
Do you at your work keep reminding your boss and colleagues that once upon a time I did that good job in a project so never ever blame or question me if I screw up ???

If someone feels something is not right , he has all the right to stand up and speak, this is not Nirmal Baba's camp..

[seahawks]

By failing to act now, IV is essentially "Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory".

Obama has done the unconstitutional move of thwarting the decision of the elected representatives of the American people by giving amnesty to the illegals. Unfortunately this is a very popular move and is very widely praised by the elites in this country, simply because none of the amnestied illegal is going to take the job of those elites (including us).

Now, the Republican party needs some kind of a popular move to show the country that they are also progressive, they are also pro-human being etc. At this time, we can give them this golden opportunity. If HR3012 were to pass, that move can be very effectively be claimed by the Republican party to prove to the American people that the Republican party is also pro-immigration, pro-economic growth, pro-American dream.

But IV has taken the decision to do nothing; essentially "grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory".

on one side you are saying what the President did is widely popular because none of the amnestied illegal is going to take the job of those elites and now you want to give an opportunity for lawmakers to support something that won't be praised or popular? Pardon my ignorance, but that sounds confusing to me

[sanju_dba]

on one side you are saying what the President did is widely popular because none of the amnestied illegal is going to take the job of those elites and now you want to give an opportunity for lawmakers to support something that won't be praised or popular? Pardon my ignorance, but that sounds confusing to me

What h1techSlave saying is, Republicans can use this catalyst ( HR3012) to become famous.

[turvi76]

I think this group needs to be more open to people throwing in ideas even if they sound critical at times. We are all in here with the same goal and if it comes across negative sometimes due to frustration, it should be understandable.
h1techSlave's thought of giving fodder to republicans to "use" H.R. 3012 as some sort of catalyst for their electoral vote bank is indeed a good point to ponder upon.
hope others who have suggestions dont shy away from aggressive cue's demonstrated on this forum.
cheers everyone and thank you IV! we all support you and each one of us.

[RohitSharma]

IV is not even saying they are doing something in the background, so why most people assume there's something going on. Why do people assume this will hurt, that will hurt..these are all reasons of doing nothing.

[longwait4gc]

I don't think any one is explaining/discussing the financial impact of 3012.
1. Every immigrant saves money. The longer you are here the more money you save. By giving a person who stayed here longest a chance to file green card he can use his savings as investment in US. US needs investments in this economic times, win-win.
2. If a person after working 15 years (60 credits) goes back then US would pay Social Security to that person after he retires. US Social Security goes outside as long as that person lives.

[DallasBlue]

Immigration Voice - PayPal Donate (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/misc.php?do=donate)

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/misc.php?do=donate


contact you senators::
http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=57856511

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


Persist with HR3012

[Alien]

NFAP report cites Kauffman-funded research that shows more high-skilled immigrants are waiting for green cards; report offers policy reforms to eliminate delays

(ARLINGTON, Va. and KANSAS CITY, Mo.) June 13, 2012 – Calling an increase in wait times for high-skilled foreign nationals to get green cards to stay in the United States a threat that could "deprive the country of talented individuals who will choose to develop innovations, make their careers and raise their families in other nations," the National Foundation for American Policy released a report that says wait times are likely to increase in employment-based immigration categories.

In "Still Waiting: Green Card Problems Persist for High Skill Immigrants," the NFAP conducted research funded by the Kauffman Foundation that shows wait times may be developing for prospective immigrants in the employment-based first preference (EB-1) category (outstanding researchers and professors, aliens of extraordinary ability), which previously had no backlog. The report also reveals that skilled foreign nationals from countries other than China and India in the employment-based second preference (EB-2) – persons of "exceptional ability" and "advanced degree" holders – will soon experience backlogs. The report calls for reforms to immigration law and highlights current bills, such as the Startup Act, that would help to eliminate the backlog.


New Report Says Green Card Backlog Could Grow Worse for High-Skilled Immigrants (http://www.kauffman.org/newsroom/new-report-says-green-card-backlog-could-grow-worse-for-high-skilled-immigrants.aspx?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Opticast&utm_campaign=Ideas_At_Work_6_21_2012)

[sanju_dba]

I don't think any one is explaining/discussing the financial impact of 3012.
1. Every immigrant saves money. The longer you are here the more money you save. By giving a person who stayed here longest a chance to file green card he can use his savings as investment in US. US needs investments in this economic times, win-win.
2. If a person after working 15 years (60 credits) goes back then US would pay Social Security to that person after he retires. US Social Security goes outside as long as that person lives.

my understanding with this
Noncitizens receiving Social Security benefits (http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/183/~/noncitizens-receiving-social-security-benefits)
is , an alien needs to be here to get the benifits.
You need to be US Citizen to be paid if you are out of the country.

[longwait4gc]

Signed up contributions 25 dollar for 6 months.
Subscription#S-**21

I live in Seattle and ready to come to any senator office. Send me an IM if you need my service.

[longwait4gc]

my understanding with this
Noncitizens receiving Social Security benefits (http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/183/~/noncitizens-receiving-social-security-benefits)
is , an alien needs to be here to get the benifits.
You need to be US Citizen to be paid if you are out of the country.
Thanks for the info. But following from the same website says I can receive SSN benefits if I accumulate 40 credits and Indian citizen.
Your Payments When You Are Outside The United States (http://www.ssa.gov/international/countrylist4.htm)

[s416504]

Social Security Publications (http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10137.html#additional)

Link says "You are a citizen of one of the countries in Country List 4, and the worker on whose record your benefits are based lived in the United States for at least 10 years or earned at least 40 credits under the U.S. Social Security system".

India is on List 4 and requires 10 Years/40 credits for SSN benefits when out of USA
Where is this 15 year & 60 Credits came from?


I don't think any one is explaining/discussing the financial impact of 3012.
1. Every immigrant saves money. The longer you are here the more money you save. By giving a person who stayed here longest a chance to file green card he can use his savings as investment in US. US needs investments in this economic times, win-win.
2. If a person after working 15 years (60 credits) goes back then US would pay Social Security to that person after he retires. US Social Security goes outside as long as that person lives.

[amitjoey]

Senator Chuck Grassley is holding up the bill.

If anybody wants to do anything- why wait for IV.

If Senator/s from your state are supporting the bill- it still does not hurt to go to their offices and thank them for their support and tell them that this bill will benefit you. They need to see you - they need to see that hundreds and thousands will benefit from this bill- (And could be future supporters).
This will only make their resolve stronger to keep supporting the bill.

If your senators are not supporting the bill- All the more reason to go their offices and make a presentation- tell them that this bill is fair/balanced. Not adding new numbers.
Download presentation from IV members-
Take an appointment before the 3rd of July and just show up.

[longwait4gc]

Social Security Publications (http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10137.html#additional)

Link says "You are a citizen of one of the countries in Country List 4, and the worker on whose record your benefits are based lived in the United States for at least 10 years or earned at least 40 credits under the U.S. Social Security system".

India is on List 4 and requires 10 Years/40 credits for SSN benefits when out of USA
Where is this 15 year & 60 Credits came from?

Sorry for the confusion. My assumption is some of our friends here came like 15 years ago. In that case they must have accumulated 60 credits. More credits means more pay outs. Because they take average of 35 years. If you worked only 10 years rest of the 25 years is considered as zero income years. If you say 60 credits to any law maker then the impact will be more vs 40 credits because they understand the system more.

[checkmet64]

Social Security Publications (http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10137.html#additional)

Link says "You are a citizen of one of the countries in Country List 4, and the worker on whose record your benefits are based lived in the United States for at least 10 years or earned at least 40 credits under the U.S. Social Security system".

India is on List 4 and requires 10 Years/40 credits for SSN benefits when out of USA
Where is this 15 year & 60 Credits came from?

I think social security is a moot question for anyone who has worked for 10-15 yrs. One has to remember that your benefit is going to be proportional to your contributions. So with 10-15 year work history, your payments won't be that much. There are calculators which will help you to estimate your benefit based on your contributions.

[kiran_pathuri]

We all know that money talks. If anybody feels that not enough is being done and want to contribute, I have an idea. We can check up the donor's list for both Obama and Romney and see if your company or any of your friend's company is in the list. I know it is not easy, but then we can try to contact our company representitives and talk to them to send a letter to Obama, Romney etc. in support of HR3012. We can try the same thing with Senator Grassley as well. If anybody is working in WellsFargo or Blue Cross blue shield, they can try to figure out whom to contact and ask a letter/e-mail in support of HR 3012.

I don't think this will harm our cause in any way, and we only need to put some more effort towards getting such a letter/e-mail and can benefit the cause greatly.

Obama's top contributors:
Top Contributors to Barack Obama | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638)

Romney's top contributors:
Top Contributors to Mitt Romney | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00000286)

Presidential candidate finance's can be found under:
Presidential Campaign Finance (http://www.fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.do)

We can actually export the data and process it. Also the data is searchable.

[Gandhi_II]

Senator Chuck Grassley is holding up the bill.

If anybody wants to do anything- why wait for IV.

If Senator/s from your state are supporting the bill- it still does not hurt to go to their offices and thank them for their support and tell them that this bill will benefit you. They need to see you - they need to see that hundreds and thousands will benefit from this bill- (And could be future supporters).
This will only make their resolve stronger to keep supporting the bill.

If your senators are not supporting the bill- All the more reason to go their offices and make a presentation- tell them that this bill is fair/balanced. Not adding new numbers.
Download presentation from IV members-
Take an appointment before the 3rd of July and just show up.

I went to Senator Feinstein's office last December - here's the pushback I got on HR 3012 - the employment based immigration system is intended to create opportunity for people from other countries to seek prosperity via US jobs as it is to serve as a talent sourcing tool for US employers. If the per country cap is removed, India and China would dominate consumption of employment-based Green Cards, not allowing opportunity to people from other countries.

If H.R. 3012 has hit a roadblock, why don't we push for one of the several STEM exemption bills? (bill that excludes those who have got STEM Masters from US universities from the quota) I know the bills exist (just can't recall the numbers) so why not advocate for those?

[amitjoey]

I went to Senator Feinstein's office last December - here's the pushback I got on HR 3012 - the employment based immigration system is intended to create opportunity for people from other countries to seek prosperity via US jobs as it is to serve as a talent sourcing tool for US employers. If the per country cap is removed, India and China would dominate consumption of employment-based Green Cards, not allowing opportunity to people from other countries.

If H.R. 3012 has hit a roadblock, why don't we push for one of the several STEM exemption bills? (bill that excludes those who have got STEM Masters from US universities from the quota) I know the bills exist (just can't recall the numbers) so why not advocate for those?

That is why we have to go often and in bigger numbers- Employment based immigration system was never intended to create diversity. PERIOD . IT is to serve as a talent sourcing tool -THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST for US employers. So, if that is the case- where does national origin and country quota come in- ............

This needs to be communicated.........in humble words........
We need to be persistent and go again and again.........with larger numbers........

What is the dreamers argument- they still won- at the end of the day. Do not be discouraged.........GO Again

[Gandhi_II]

That is why we have to go often and in bigger numbers- Employment based immigration system was never intended to create diversity. PERIOD . IT is to serve as a talent sourcing tool -THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST for US employers. So, if that is the case- where does national origin and country quota come in- ............

This needs to be communicated.........in humble words........
We need to be persistent and go again and again.........with larger numbers........

What is the dreamers argument- they still won- at the end of the day. Do not be discouraged.........GO Again

I said nothing about diversity. I'm going to repeat what I said - her office said the employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries vs serving as a talent sourcing pool for US employers alone. Why not advocate for the Masters STEM exemption bill?

[spicy_guy]

I can't comment on IV's strategy. I believe IV seniors have better insights into what is happening, than most of us here.

All I can say is, there is so much happening on Immigration front now and this topic is on the hot seat. We need to hog this limelight. This is the real "now or never" situation for us. We cannot slip this opportunity through the window.

What Romney is telling is to a great extent inline with what we are expecting.

IV may revise the strategy to see if they could make use of this opportunity.

Romney says he will ‘replace and supersede’ Obama’s immigration plan | The Ticket - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-says-replace-supersede-obama-immigration-plan-160622731.html) (Todays news)

"
In his speech, Romney said that he would make it easier for legal immigrants to bring their spouses and children to America, as well as beef up temporary work visas for low-skilled workers. He also reiterated that he thinks foreign students who get advanced degrees in America should be given green cards. Romney's immigration plan also includes a "high tech fence" for the border and a national, mandatory employment verification system that would ensure that employers would not hire illegal immigrants.
"

[amitjoey]

I said nothing about diversity. I'm going to repeat what I said - her office said the employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries vs serving as a talent sourcing pool for US employers alone. Why not advocate for the Masters STEM exemption bill?

"employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries" = Diversity

Employment system was designed for Talent - if there are 60 Taiwanese talented engineers
2 talented South african engineers and 6 Italian talented engineers - they all stand in single line based on when they got there- not form seperate lines based on their country of birth.....

Right now even if the 60 Taiwanese applied 10 years before the south africans/italians- the others will get in before them..........

[gc_on_demand]

Social Security Publications (http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10137.html#additional)

Link says "You are a citizen of one of the countries in Country List 4, and the worker on whose record your benefits are based lived in the United States for at least 10 years or earned at least 40 credits under the U.S. Social Security system".

India is on List 4 and requires 10 Years/40 credits for SSN benefits when out of USA
Where is this 15 year & 60 Credits came from?

They can change it and make it only for US citizen once they realized they are running out of money in SSA fund. Later they can stop sending money overseas to any one including US Citizen ...

Second thing prevents people from leaving US for sake of US taxation.

[amitjoey]

you said ""employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries" - That is what is called Diversity- I humbly disagree- That is not what it was created for.

For that we have diversity visa. which gives equal opportunity for jobs from all countries - barring countries that already have large populations here....so While Indians are barred from applying under Diversity- SriLankans and Nepalese are not.

[gk_2000]

I said nothing about diversity. I'm going to repeat what I said - her office said the employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries vs serving as a talent sourcing pool for US employers alone. Why not advocate for the Masters STEM exemption bill?

Damning to hear that from Feinstein

We are fighting a notion that "countries" are getting the benefit by sending its citizens here. How about the notion of a fair and just immigration system that doesn't discriminate based on national origin
"Countries" are abstract. Individuals have life, feelings, etc. How to make them understand?

[gk_2000]

you said ""employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries" - That is what is called Diversity- I humbly disagree- That is not what it was created for.

For that we have diversity visa. which gives equal opportunity for jobs from all countries - barring countries that already have large populations here....so While Indians are barred from applying under Diversity- SriLankans and Nepalese are not.

For "diversity" we are already being excluded from the "Diversity Visa". Why this double whammy?
And, are there any quotas in the diversity visa? Quite illogical

[h1techSlave]

on one side you are saying what the President did is widely popular because none of the amnestied illegal is going to take the job of those elites and now you want to give an opportunity for lawmakers to support something that won't be praised or popular? Pardon my ignorance, but that sounds confusing to me

Just to clarify my point.

What Obama has done is wrong, but very popular. His decision is popular, because people really do not know the impact of what he has done, or are not affected by his decision or they just think they would not be affected. What Obama has done is wrong is because, in American Democracy it is the Congress that makes laws. Congress has said several times that they do no approve Dream act. That is the decision of Congress and the President must respect that decision. The President did not respect that decision and is behaving like a dictator solely for his political benefits.

Now the republicans should do some thing which is right and also popular. HR3012 is both. It is right because Employment based immigration has nothing to do with your country of origin. EB immigration is solely based on skill. HR 3012 is widely popular as demonstrated by the overwhelming support it enjoyed in Congress and the lack of opposition from even hard core anti-immigrants like NumbersUSA. Tell me about another immigration related bill not opposed by NumbersUSA, excluding the bills that would reduce immigrant numbers.

[DallasBlue]

We all know that money talks. If anybody feels that not enough is being done and want to contribute, I have an idea. We can check up the donor's list for both Obama and Romney and see if your company or any of your friend's company is in the list. I know it is not easy, but then we can try to contact our company representitives and talk to them to send a letter to Obama, Romney etc. in support of HR3012. We can try the same thing with Senator Grassley as well. If anybody is working in WellsFargo or Blue Cross blue shield, they can try to figure out whom to contact and ask a letter/e-mail in support of HR 3012.

I don't think this will harm our cause in any way, and we only need to put some more effort towards getting such a letter/e-mail and can benefit the cause greatly.

Obama's top contributors:
Top Contributors to Barack Obama | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638)

Romney's top contributors:
Top Contributors to Mitt Romney | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00000286)

Presidential candidate finance's can be found under:
Presidential Campaign Finance (http://www.fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.do)

We can actually export the data and process it. Also the data is searchable.

sounds good idea

[DallasBlue]

We all know that money talks. If anybody feels that not enough is being done and want to contribute, I have an idea. We can check up the donor's list for both Obama and Romney and see if your company or any of your friend's company is in the list. I know it is not easy, but then we can try to contact our company representitives and talk to them to send a letter to Obama, Romney etc. in support of HR3012. We can try the same thing with Senator Grassley as well. If anybody is working in WellsFargo or Blue Cross blue shield, they can try to figure out whom to contact and ask a letter/e-mail in support of HR 3012.

I don't think this will harm our cause in any way, and we only need to put some more effort towards getting such a letter/e-mail and can benefit the cause greatly.

Obama's top contributors:
Top Contributors to Barack Obama | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638)

Romney's top contributors:
Top Contributors to Mitt Romney | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00000286)

Presidential candidate finance's can be found under:
Presidential Campaign Finance (http://www.fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.do)

We can actually export the data and process it. Also the data is searchable.

sounds good idea


Chuck Grassley: Campaign Finance/Money - Top Donors - Senator 2010 | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00001758&type=I&newmem=N)

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00001758&type=I&newmem=N

[longwait4gc]

I think social security is a moot question for anyone who has worked for 10-15 yrs. One has to remember that your benefit is going to be proportional to your contributions. So with 10-15 year work history, your payments won't be that much. There are calculators which will help you to estimate your benefit based on your contributions.

Disagree with you. If I put high 5 digit figure for 15 years and stop working after that. I get more than 1K per month in today's dollars. Which is a huge amount of money. IT worker on average earns twice more than average of non IT worker. That means your 15 years is as much as 30 years worth for some one.
You can try your self. You need some modification to the quick calculator to get the accurate number.
Estimated Social Security Benefit (http://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/benefit6.cgi)

All I am saying is this might be a valid point to bring up. Give GC to some one who will get US social security benefits and lot of savings vs some one who is fresh off the board today.

[longwait4gc]

They can change it and make it only for US citizen once they realized they are running out of money in SSA fund. Later they can stop sending money overseas to any one including US Citizen ...

Second thing prevents people from leaving US for sake of US taxation.

First it is not changed. As of today's policy they will send money. We are talking about todays policy.

Second change is not easy because of lot of bilateral agreements they have with lot of countries about social security.

[amitjoey]

HR3012 has passed the house. We need to go to our Senator's offices now. There are 2 senators per state. Find your Senators and go to their offices.

[flthere]

For "diversity" we are already being excluded from the "Diversity Visa". Why this double whammy?
And, are there any quotas in the diversity visa? Quite illogical

American EB system is just like Indian reservations system. The intent is good but execution is bad.

For EB system, the criterion is and should be 'skilled' - not diversity

For Indian education system, criterion should be 'skilled' but unfortunately its something else. :p

[flthere]

HR3012 has passed the house. We need to go to our Senator's offices now. There are 2 senators per state. Find your Senators and go to their offices.

Problem is HR3012 is popular and ethically right (that EB is skill based and it should rightly be so) but of no real benefit to 'politicians'.

Dreamers are popular but of real 'political' benefit but ethically wrong (especially the portion where the parents of those kids brought in will enjoy benefits after the kids get residency).

[sribala01]

Immigration is red hot button issue, especially since last Friday. We need to seize this moment and reach out to all the people who either directly or indirectly influence or benefit from this bill.

Here's my suggestion

1. Contact any person in the administration related to immigration or Asian American spokesperson, you get the idea. Let them know about the pending senate bill and the president should pressures the Senate leaders to bring the bill to the floor. This will show the world that he is not about vote bank. He can silence the critics from last week announcement. It will benefit him in his standing with the independent voters.

2. We need to reach out to the GOP Senate leadership. To them we need to tell with passing the senate bill, they can show that they are for immigration, and for legal immigration.

3. We need to reach out to various media outlets. We need to bring to the attention of the media outlet that there is a immigration bill for legal immigration which has been buried in the senate committee for the past six months. Let media outlet challenge the GOP Senators/Representative that, when they say 'last weeks action of president was not constitutional or bypassing the congress was not good". And the house passed the bill in bipartisan in Nov. 2011.

4. We need to highlight to as many people as possible, media outlet, youtube, etc... Talk about the positive, how the 300,000 indian can buy house, refrigerator, etc.. contribute the economy.

Bottom line we need to show them, what is it in for them. We need to take the horse to the water and show them.

[longwait4gc]

Immigration is red hot button issue, especially since last Friday. We need to seize this moment and reach out to all the people who either directly or indirectly influence or benefit from this bill.

Here's my suggestion

2. We need to reach out to the GOP Senate leadership. To them we need to tell with passing the senate bill, they can show that they are for immigration, and for legal immigration.

3. We need to reach out to various media outlets. We need to bring to the attention of the media outlet that there is a immigration bill for legal immigration which has been buried in the senate committee for the past six months. Let media outlet challenge the GOP Senators/Representative that, when they say 'last weeks action of president was not constitutional or bypassing the congress was not good". And the house passed the bill in bipartisan in Nov. 2011.



Do you have any write up I can send to media outlets? Since this issue of immigration is hot may be they will pay attention to legal immigration.

[turvi76]

Issues broadcasted on 60 minutes show are very thorough and they stick it up with bold questions with senators and congressman. I wrote to them to try to cover this topic but have not heard anything back. Now after Pres Obama's announcement last week, I am certain they are working on an episode on 'immigration'. I urge top IV members to contact them before we miss their airing if it is being worked on:

60 Minutes Mailbag (http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/feedback.aspx?sectionid=5562&sectionname=contactus&formid=2363)

[dts]

[QUOTE=turvi76;3499198]Issues broadcasted on 60 minutes show are very thorough and they stick it up with bold questions with senators and congressman. I wrote to them to try to cover this topic but have not heard anything back. Now after Pres Obama's announcement last week, I am certain they are working on an episode on 'immigration'. I urge top IV members to contact them before we miss their airing if it is being worked on:

60 Minutes Mailbag (http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/feedback.aspx?sectionid=5562&sectionname=contactus&formid=2363)[/QUO

OR we can use CNN iReport which is also available on iPhone/iPad and report about H.R.3012 with copy/paste of benifits to US.
I have not tried but will try today/tomorrow.

[amitjoey]

Generating awareness, media, and TV-We are passed this stage.

The bill has enough awareness. It has passed House with 80% yes votes. It is in the senate. We need to get it thru in the senate, each one of us needs to go to the local senators office and put pressure on them. If enough senators agree- they can nudge Grassley to take the hold out. But we need to show our muscle and not go 1 or 2 per district=- but thousands.

If thousands are affected why only 4-5 people are busy contacting their senators.
Dreamers-did exactly this- they built pressure.

[happyfeet]

"employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries" = Diversity

Employment system was designed for Talent - if there are 60 Taiwanese talented engineers
2 talented South african engineers and 6 Italian talented engineers - they all stand in single line based on when they got there- not form seperate lines based on their country of birth.....

Right now even if the 60 Taiwanese applied 10 years before the south africans/italians- the others will get in before them..........

I think the reality is not correctly conveyed. Here are my views.


• Since 2001 US is granting 65000-H1B visa for skilled and high skilled applicants which indicates that there is a potential demand sine 2001.

• When H1B is applied there is no country specific quota and it is first come first served basis along with other conditions. (Qualification, job demand etc.). Hence it is not based on DIVERSITY.

• Only people who come in H1B (or L1) can apply for GC. Hence it should not be based on DIVERSITY.

• Every year 140000 GC’s are allowed. So even if all the 65000 H1B’s apply there should not be any backlog.

• By putting a country limit in GC, an artificial queue is created. This creates as a pool of qualified, bonded, desperate labor force working for the betterment of US.

• HR3012 bill will remove the block/backlog and will make the system function correctly.

We need to convey this to every senator and in media.

[Chandini]

Senators want to listen how the immigration helps the economy and the housing market. They don't care about the waiting time.

When the economy is hurting so bad why are they bothered about your waiting times. How does Immigration help them. That is what the focus should be.


I think the reality is not correctly conveyed. Here are my views.


• Since 2001 US is granting 65000-H1B visa for skilled and high skilled applicants which indicates that there is a potential demand sine 2001.

• When H1B is applied there is no country specific quota and it is first come first served basis along with other conditions. (Qualification, job demand etc.). Hence it is not based on DIVERSITY.

• Only people who come in H1B (or L1) can apply for GC. Hence it should not be based on DIVERSITY.

• Every year 140000 GC’s are allowed. So even if all the 65000 H1B’s apply there should not be any backlog.

• By putting a country limit in GC, an artificial queue is created. This creates as a pool of qualified, bonded, desperate labor force working for the betterment of US.

• HR3012 bill will remove the block/backlog and will make the system function correctly.

We need to convey this to every senator and in media.

[happyfeet]

My message is that GC is not based on diversity and it should not. It is purely employment based.

All the GC applicants in back log are in job since 2002 and there is no question of economy here.

[turvi76]

Generating awareness, media, and TV-We are passed this stage.

The bill has enough awareness. It has passed House with 80% yes votes. It is in the senate. We need to get it thru in the senate, each one of us needs to go to the local senators office and put pressure on them. If enough senators agree- they can nudge Grassley to take the hold out. But we need to show our muscle and not go 1 or 2 per district=- but thousands.

If thousands are affected why only 4-5 people are busy contacting their senators.
Dreamers-did exactly this- they built pressure.
This forum house seems to be an ant house with the queen butchered. The leaders are MIA and everyone is scrambling in panic, don’t do this or do that, we are passed this and we already tried that.
Can we PLEASE have one strong direction?

WE all want to help…donate- yes. Done that! Now what’s next?

You suggest thousands in rally to senator? Let’s do it. Is everyone up for this next big move? When? Day? Time?
Can someone also communicate literature we need to take with us? Pre-meet?

[RohitSharma]

I seriously think 1000's are needed in D.C. with 'Down with Grasseley' and 'Down with Discrimination' posters..

[waitingnwaiting]

Senators want to listen how the immigration helps the economy and the housing market. They don't care about the waiting time.

When the economy is hurting so bad why are they bothered about your waiting times. How does Immigration help them. That is what the focus should be.

We should not talk about housing IMHO
Immigrants on H1B visa or EAD can buy houses. I have so many friends who bought houses on H1B. Only people who wanted to go back or save money chose to rent. I think this is wrong information spread that all immigrants will buy houses. Only a small percentage with good jobs do not buy houses. The other kind of people who may not be buying houses are consultants. They cannot buy house because they have to constantly move around and change cities. So greencard will help these consultants to get better jobs and settle in one place.

[waitingnwaiting]

I seriously think 1000's are needed in D.C. with 'Down with Grasseley' and 'Down with Discrimination' posters..

Just thousand out of half million?

That is not even 1%. It sucks for us.

[mgmanoj]

I think the reality is not correctly conveyed. Here are my views.


• Since 2001 US is granting 65000-H1B visa for skilled and high skilled applicants which indicates that there is a potential demand sine 2001.

• When H1B is applied there is no country specific quota and it is first come first served basis along with other conditions. (Qualification, job demand etc.). Hence it is not based on DIVERSITY.

• Only people who come in H1B (or L1) can apply for GC. Hence it should not be based on DIVERSITY.

• Every year 140000 GC’s are allowed. So even if all the 65000 H1B’s apply there should not be any backlog.

• By putting a country limit in GC, an artificial queue is created. This creates as a pool of qualified, bonded, desperate labor force working for the betterment of US.

• HR3012 bill will remove the block/backlog and will make the system function correctly.

We need to convey this to every senator and in media.

They should not count derivatives in the visa count. They do not count in many other categories like diversity, asylum.....

[GCkiyaGanja]

Issues broadcasted on 60 minutes show are very thorough and they stick it up with bold questions with senators and congressman. I wrote to them to try to cover this topic but have not heard anything back. Now after Pres Obama's announcement last week, I am certain they are working on an episode on 'immigration'. I urge top IV members to contact them before we miss their airing if it is being worked on:

60 Minutes Mailbag (http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/feedback.aspx?sectionid=5562&sectionname=contactus&formid=2363)

I agree this is a excellent thought and will surely bring our issue in the national limelight..I think there should be simultaneous rallies in every state capital if possible at the same time as the DC rally, People should carry literature or placards which say how may years we have been waiting patiently..Its now or never once the election is over all these issues will again take a back seat until the next election come around...can we afford to wait 4 more years just get the attention of the law makers?

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[thomachan72]

This forum house seems to be an ant house with the queen butchered. The leaders are MIA and everyone is scrambling in panic, don’t do this or do that, we are passed this and we already tried that. or it could also be seen as a "day care center" where every kid is crying to get attention???? just a thought. I mean despite repeated reminder from IV core group about staying calm and focussing on current action items it is ridiculous that grown ups like you and me are still crying and feeling left out like babies??? Did you and me introduce this bill??? If there is action needed it will be told loud and clear by the core group.
Can we PLEASE have one strong direction?

WE all want to help…donate- yes. Done that! Now what’s next?

You suggest thousands in rally to senator? Let’s do it. Is everyone up for this next big move? When? Day? Time?
Can someone also communicate literature we need to take with us? Pre-meet? Dont misunderstand me. I am not saying that we "dont need any action". What I am saying is that we need to be patient and wait for instructions rather than create confusion and panic. Please hold on and wait to hear from the core group.

[RohitSharma]

You guys keep busy in understanding & misunderstanding & clarifying...Dont misunderstand me. I am not saying that we "dont need any action". What I am saying is that we need to be patient and wait for instructions rather than create confusion and panic. Please hold on and wait to hear from the core group.

[hello]

You guys keep busy in understanding & misunderstanding & clarifying...
thomachan72 is right.Rohit May I request you to update your profile.Thanks!

[h1techSlave]

This is a start.

Immigration is red hot button issue, especially since last Friday. We need to seize this moment and reach out to all the people who either directly or indirectly influence or benefit from this bill.

Here's my suggestion

1. Contact any person in the administration related to immigration or Asian American spokesperson, you get the idea. Let them know about the pending senate bill and the president should pressures the Senate leaders to bring the bill to the floor. This will show the world that he is not about vote bank. He can silence the critics from last week announcement. It will benefit him in his standing with the independent voters.

2. We need to reach out to the GOP Senate leadership. To them we need to tell with passing the senate bill, they can show that they are for immigration, and for legal immigration.

3. We need to reach out to various media outlets. We need to bring to the attention of the media outlet that there is a immigration bill for legal immigration which has been buried in the senate committee for the past six months. Let media outlet challenge the GOP Senators/Representative that, when they say 'last weeks action of president was not constitutional or bypassing the congress was not good". And the house passed the bill in bipartisan in Nov. 2011.

4. We need to highlight to as many people as possible, media outlet, youtube, etc... Talk about the positive, how the 300,000 indian can buy house, refrigerator, etc.. contribute the economy.

Bottom line we need to show them, what is it in for them. We need to take the horse to the water and show them.

[h1techSlave]

Dont misunderstand me. I am not saying that we "dont need any action". What I am saying is that we need to be patient and wait for instructions rather than create confusion and panic. Please hold on and wait to hear from the core group.

"Please hold on and wait to hear from the core group." why?


Below text is from Forbes. Worth reading. I think IV has become another Microsoft. Lots of past accomplishments. But the creative spark is long gone.

"Microsoft now seems to be a company that has long since run off the cliff but, with legs spinning for all they are worth, doesn’t know yet that it is ready to drop. Yet drop it most certainly will.

To understand how this happens, take a look at the work of Arnold J. Toynbee, a historian who studied the rise and fall of civilizations. He argued that a civilization flourishes when it motivates insiders and attracts outsiders with its creative dynamism and culture. The civilization breaks down when its leadership loses this creative capacity and gives way to, or transforms itself into, a dominant minority. When this happens, the driver of the civilization becomes control, not attraction. And it’s precisely this switch from attraction to control that is the source of the breakdown. Interestingly, Toynbee says that the consequences may not be immediately apparent. A civilization can keep up momentum because the controls it puts in place generate some short-term efficiency. But eventually it will run its course and collapse, because no amount of control can replace the loss of collective creativity."

[Robert Kumar]

Dont misunderstand me. I am not saying that we "dont need any action". What I am saying is that we need to be patient and wait for instructions rather than create confusion and panic. Please hold on and wait to hear from the core group.

Thomachan72,
We need some instruction from IV leadership on next moves, apart from just asking to contribute, which we are doing anyways. We know more is needed, but that shouldnt stop them from giving updates. Please let us know if something is being worked on, or if we are just waiting and waiting.

[mugembo]

That's a great idea. I did contact couple of radio shows with concerns. They have been reporting on the Deffered Action for Illegal immigrants and gathering public and expert's views on it, and now is the time we speak up about us. Here's what I wrote to them, you guys can modify it the way you like but I wanted to keep it as short as possible. If everyone from IV contact them with similar message, our voices will be heard:

"Heard your story on president Obama passing stop gap measure for thousands of illegeal young immigrants. Everyone would agree to the statement that this nation needs an Immigration reform, but it would be unfair to legal immigrants like myself and others who has been waiting for years to get a green card to be neglected like this. We entered in this country legally, received advanced degree from US schools, obeyed all laws, paid all taxes on time, and contributed to country's economic growth, still some of us would have to wait for more than 30 years to get an employment based green card. There is a serious back log for immigrants from countries like India and China, and the wait time is only getting longer. This causes hardship for these people and their family and many of them are going back to other countries or their country of origin. This is a major loss to this country as there is already shortage of enough high-skilled workers in STEM related industries.

We too need relief and there are already 10s of bills pending in Congress that would greatly reduce the wait time, HR 3012 being one of them which is already passed in house with overwhelming bipartisan support. But, to get anything passed in congress in an election year is everyone's DREAM. President Obama, how about signing another executive order? This time for legal immigrants."

There was a story yesterday (06/21) on Marketplace evening show at NPR: Contact : American Public Media (http://www.publicradio.org/applications/formbuilder/user/form_display.php?form_code=53214004afb5)

Another one on Morning Edition today (06/22): Contact: Help Center (http://help.npr.org/npr/includes/customer/npr/custforms/contactus.aspx?sid=1)

Please write to them to express your opinions and concerns. We will be heard if we are loud.

Immigration is red hot button issue, especially since last Friday. We need to seize this moment and reach out to all the people who either directly or indirectly influence or benefit from this bill.

Here's my suggestion

1. Contact any person in the administration related to immigration or Asian American spokesperson, you get the idea. Let them know about the pending senate bill and the president should pressures the Senate leaders to bring the bill to the floor. This will show the world that he is not about vote bank. He can silence the critics from last week announcement. It will benefit him in his standing with the independent voters.

2. We need to reach out to the GOP Senate leadership. To them we need to tell with passing the senate bill, they can show that they are for immigration, and for legal immigration.

3. We need to reach out to various media outlets. We need to bring to the attention of the media outlet that there is a immigration bill for legal immigration which has been buried in the senate committee for the past six months. Let media outlet challenge the GOP Senators/Representative that, when they say 'last weeks action of president was not constitutional or bypassing the congress was not good". And the house passed the bill in bipartisan in Nov. 2011.

4. We need to highlight to as many people as possible, media outlet, youtube, etc... Talk about the positive, how the 300,000 indian can buy house, refrigerator, etc.. contribute the economy.

Bottom line we need to show them, what is it in for them. We need to take the horse to the water and show them.

[RohitSharma]

Are you going to make Aeroplane with my profile ? thomachan72 is right.Rohit May I request you to update your profile.Thanks!

[mugembo]

I made the title of my message as "DREAM of Legal Immigrant" to make it more eye catching:

"Heard your story on president Obama passing stop gap measure for thousands of illegeal young immigrants. Everyone would agree to the statement that this nation needs an Immigration reform, but it would be unfair to legal immigrants like myself and others who has been waiting for years to get a green card to be neglected like this. We entered in this country legally, received advanced degree from US schools, obeyed all laws, paid all taxes on time, and contributed to country's economic growth, still some of us would have to wait for more than 30 years to get an employment based green card. There is a serious back log for immigrants from countries like India and China, and the wait time is only getting longer. This causes hardship for these people and their family and many of them are going back to other countries or their country of origin. This is a major loss to this country as there is already shortage of enough high-skilled workers in STEM related industries.

We too need relief and there are already 10s of bills pending in Congress that would greatly reduce the wait time, HR 3012 being one of them which is already passed in house with overwhelming bipartisan support. But, to get anything passed in congress in an election year is everyone's DREAM. President Obama, how about signing another executive order? This time for legal immigrants."

There was a story yesterday (06/21) on Marketplace evening show at NPR: Contact : American Public Media (http://www.publicradio.org/applications/formbuilder/user/form_display.php?form_code=53214004afb5)

Another one on Morning Edition today (06/22): Contact: Help Center (http://help.npr.org/npr/includes/customer/npr/custforms/contactus.aspx?sid=1)

Please write to them to express your opinions and concerns. We will be heard if we are loud.

[green_mile]

"Please hold on and wait to hear from the core group." why?


Below text is from Forbes. Worth reading. I think IV has become another Microsoft. Lots of past accomplishments. But the creative spark is long gone.

"Microsoft now seems to be a company that has long since run off the cliff but, with legs spinning for all they are worth, doesn’t know yet that it is ready to drop. Yet drop it most certainly will.

To understand how this happens, take a look at the work of Arnold J. Toynbee, a historian who studied the rise and fall of civilizations. He argued that a civilization flourishes when it motivates insiders and attracts outsiders with its creative dynamism and culture. The civilization breaks down when its leadership loses this creative capacity and gives way to, or transforms itself into, a dominant minority. When this happens, the driver of the civilization becomes control, not attraction. And it’s precisely this switch from attraction to control that is the source of the breakdown. Interestingly, Toynbee says that the consequences may not be immediately apparent. A civilization can keep up momentum because the controls it puts in place generate some short-term efficiency. But eventually it will run its course and collapse, because no amount of control can replace the loss of collective creativity."


your civilization examples are more relevant to Current USA than IV I think.

think about this..

Roman civilization---- People thought Romans forever dominate the world.
Then English ---- so much for sun never sets on english empire.
Now USA --- The richest and powerfull of all after the soviets fell.

IV is still in it's infancy... and need many of the people like you to pitch in and contribute, so that it will thrive.

[imh1b]

Here is an action item for everyone wanting to do something on youtube.

Please see this video
Jobless engineer's wife questions Pres. Obama about 1 million new immigrants a year - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jBb70Dc3Ug&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

and then create your own videos against this video. Let us see how many of you are brave enough to show yourself in a video and really mean what you said in your posts.

Let the contest begin. Any time someone wants to do rally or you tube video, let us ask them to do this action item to prove that they will stand behind their idea.

[flthere]

I would certainly want to hear what's on agenda of IV besides waiting. Can the efforts be made public, say, on the home page of IV ? I looked thru the entire site (outside the forums), but did not find any reference to HR3012 being supported by IV. Is this the state of advocacy ?

[imh1b]

Are you going to make Aeroplane with my profile ?

Let us not be arrogant. Seeing the details help us know each other better.

[imh1b]

I made the title of my message as "DREAM of Legal Immigrant" to make it more eye catching:

"Heard your story on president Obama passing stop gap measure for thousands of illegeal young immigrants. Everyone would agree to the statement that this nation needs an Immigration reform, but it would be unfair to legal immigrants like myself and others who has been waiting for years to get a green card to be neglected like this. We entered in this country legally, received advanced degree from US schools, obeyed all laws, paid all taxes on time, and contributed to country's economic growth, still some of us would have to wait for more than 30 years to get an employment based green card. There is a serious back log for immigrants from countries like India and China, and the wait time is only getting longer. This causes hardship for these people and their family and many of them are going back to other countries or their country of origin. This is a major loss to this country as there is already shortage of enough high-skilled workers in STEM related industries.

We too need relief and there are already 10s of bills pending in Congress that would greatly reduce the wait time, HR 3012 being one of them which is already passed in house with overwhelming bipartisan support. But, to get anything passed in congress in an election year is everyone's DREAM. President Obama, how about signing another executive order? This time for legal immigrants."

There was a story yesterday (06/21) on Marketplace evening show at NPR: Contact : American Public Media (http://www.publicradio.org/applications/formbuilder/user/form_display.php?form_code=53214004afb5)

Another one on Morning Edition today (06/22): Contact: Help Center (http://help.npr.org/npr/includes/customer/npr/custforms/contactus.aspx?sid=1)

Please write to them to express your opinions and concerns. We will be heard if we are loud.

It will backfire.
At one time you are asking President to pass executive order. Then you are criticizing for helping illegals. And then some people here want to take help from Republicans. Will it not anger Democrats. Guys this is wrong politically and will hurt us, Think about it.

[greyhair]

Here is an action item for everyone wanting to do something on youtube.

Please see this video
Jobless engineer's wife questions Pres. Obama about 1 million new immigrants a year - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jBb70Dc3Ug&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

and then create your own videos against this video. Let us see how many of you are brave enough to show yourself in a video and really mean what you said in your posts.

Let the contest begin. Any time someone wants to do rally or you tube video, let us ask them to do this action item to prove that they will stand behind their idea.

Now we will not hear back from h1techslave, Robert Kumar etc.

I know h1techslave, he gets hyper every now and then, shows up for take out his frustration on others before disappearing for a few months. Give him a day or two before you won't hear from him for next couple of months.

[imh1b]

I would certainly want to hear what's on agenda of IV besides waiting. Can the efforts be made public, say, on the home page of IV ? I looked thru the entire site (outside the forums), but did not find any reference to HR3012 being supported by IV. Is this the state of advocacy ?

Well you came to the site and asked about HR3012 shows that you know IV is behind the bill. Did you know about HR3012 even before bill was introduced? Nobody knew from the website. No other website know. But when it was introduced and when it was passed, everyone saw it was only IV and IV behind it. So probably IV is ding the same. We have to trust them as they are the experts. We are not experts and do not really know politics, immigration law and have not met lot of Senators and Congressmen.

[mugembo]

If you think this is criticizing, then why don't you come up with your own writing, at least I am reaching out and raising my voice. You are free to express your views with your own words. I did say that feel free to modify my message the way you want. But don't just sit there and criticize people who are making an effort.

It will backfire.
At one time you are asking President to pass executive order. Then you are criticizing for helping illegals. And then some people here want to take help from Republicans. Will it not anger Democrats. Guys this is wrong politically and will hurt us, Think about it.

[green_mile]

Now we will not hear back from h1techslave, Robert Kumar etc.

I know h1techslave, he gets hyper every now and then, shows up for take out his frustration on others before disappearing for a few months. Give him a day or two before you won't hear from him for next couple of months.

i think H1tech slave and robert are busy making vedoes they will prove you are wrong. They are going to lead this effort from front. this is like a tunisian revelution in the age of youtube and social media.

[hello]

I seriously think 1000's are needed in D.C. with 'Down with Grasseley' and 'Down with Discrimination' posters..How many people can you bring?Do you want to face camera and tell your story?Writting on the forum is very easy.I am not discouraging you but this is the fact.Lot of people just talk.If I asked you about your profile its nothing wrong but this is your choice whether to show or not.Nothing against you personally.

[imh1b]

If you think this is criticizing, then why don't you come up with your own writing, at least I am reaching out and raising my voice. You are free to express your views with your own words. I did say that feel free to modify my message the way you want. But don't just sit there and criticize people who are making an effort.

I honestly do not know the best content. This is why I asked. Because by pleasing someone we are annoying someone else IMHO. We cannot go against illegals. Democrats will not like it and will block us. We cannot get support from Republicans if we support illegals. So I will defer it to the experts in IV and do whatever they tell me. until then my monthly contributions are on so that they can go to Washington DC and talk to Senators for us.

[Robert Kumar]

Well you came to the site and asked about HR3012 shows that you know IV is behind the bill. Did you know about HR3012 even before bill was introduced? Nobody knew from the website. No other website know. But when it was introduced and when it was passed, everyone saw it was only IV and IV behind it. So probably IV is ding the same. We have to trust them as they are the experts. We are not experts and do not really know politics, immigration law and have not met lot of Senators and Congressmen.

You said "So probably IV is ding the same" .
Why do you need to say "probably". Why didnt you say "Definitely".

Do we want to be in "probable mode" for action, or in "definite mode".

[amulchandra]

Please guys,

It looks like we are almost there. Please do not do anything now that might irritate this senator.
The following is from Ron's forum.

Update on HR3012 (http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17482)

[shekhar_shashi]

I dont think we should present ourselves as anti-illegals. The Dreamers have a different problem and a different solution (although its just temporary) has been presented to them by the President's executive order. We should try to present "Legals have rights too" message but any statements against illegals is unnecessary and avoidable.

The frustration with HR3012 delays has galvanized people to some extent. I am sure many of us remember the feeling of unity and direction we experienced exactly five years back when we forced USCIS to reverse their decision of refusing our I485 applications. I see the same frustration and anger and hopefully we'll be able to channelize the frustration into the right direction.

1. I am sure many of us have completed action items for HR3012 and have set up recurring donations. Those that have not done so should complete these action items as soon as possible.

2. Its good to discuss ideas and we are seeing a flood of proposed actions by IV members. IV core should either reject these suggestions or set up more action items for us.

3. We are not aware of any progress on the HR3012 front. We know that IV leadership is doing a commendable job and I am hopeful something positive will come out soon. For many of the members - the question is - we have completed our action items. Whats next? Any new action items should be approved and proposed by IV leadership as soon as possible because time is running out.

[green_mile]

I dont think we should present ourselves as anti-illegals. The Dreamers have a different problem and a different solution (although its just temporary) has been presented to them by the President's executive order. We should try to present "Legals have rights too" message but any statements against illegals is unnecessary and avoidable.

The frustration with HR3012 delays has galvanized people to some extent. I am sure many of us remember the feeling of unity and direction we experienced exactly five years back when we forced USCIS to reverse their decision of refusing our I485 applications. I see the same frustration and anger and hopefully we'll be able to channelize the frustration into the right direction.

1. I am sure many of us have completed action items for HR3012 and have set up recurring donations. Those that have not done so should complete these action items as soon as possible.

2. Its good to discuss ideas and we are seeing a flood of proposed actions by IV members. IV core should either reject these suggestions or set up more action items for us.

3. We are not aware of any progress on the HR3012 front. We know that IV leadership is doing a commendable job and I am hopeful something positive will come out soon. For many of the members - the question is - we have completed our action items. Whats next? Any new action items should be approved and proposed by IV leadership as soon as possible because time is running out.

I agree... these guys (dreamers) situation is extreamly difficult and unfortunate. imagine you are a kid going to school and one fine day your mom and dad left the country illegally, what choice you have? you have to go with them legal or not. Now they lived here with their parents and completed school and college, you can not punish kids for their parents fault, I know people may have different opinions on this, but remember the anti immigrantsclassic tactic is try to devide the immigrant population by legal, illegal, ethinicity etc.

this is not the time to fight with each other, this is the time to stick together and fight together.

[neel_gump]

Please guys,

It looks like we are almost there. Please do not do anything now that might irritate this senator.
The following is from Ron's forum.

Update on HR3012 (http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17482)

Great news yey!! Thanks for sharing...

[rock581]

Guys -

Things are happening.

Update on HR3012 (http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17482)

[neel_gump]

I dont think we should present ourselves as anti-illegals. The Dreamers have a different problem and a different solution (although its just temporary) has been presented to them by the President's executive order. We should try to present "Legals have rights too" message but any statements against illegals is unnecessary and avoidable.

The frustration with HR3012 delays has galvanized people to some extent. I am sure many of us remember the feeling of unity and direction we experienced exactly five years back when we forced USCIS to reverse their decision of refusing our I485 applications. I see the same frustration and anger and hopefully we'll be able to channelize the frustration into the right direction.

1. I am sure many of us have completed action items for HR3012 and have set up recurring donations. Those that have not done so should complete these action items as soon as possible.

2. Its good to discuss ideas and we are seeing a flood of proposed actions by IV members. IV core should either reject these suggestions or set up more action items for us.

3. We are not aware of any progress on the HR3012 front. We know that IV leadership is doing a commendable job and I am hopeful something positive will come out soon. For many of the members - the question is - we have completed our action items. Whats next? Any new action items should be approved and proposed by IV leadership as soon as possible because time is running out.


Wow!! It took 6 1/2 years for you to write your first post :):):):)

[Chandini]

Check the below youtube if we talk numbers it might back fire. So you have to be sure what you want to present.

Jobless engineer's wife questions Pres. Obama about 1 million new immigrants a year - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jBb70Dc3Ug&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

My message is that GC is not based on diversity and it should not. It is purely employment based.

All the GC applicants in back log are in job since 2002 and there is no question of economy here.

[neel_gump]

Are you going to make Aeroplane with my profile ?

Cut the attitude my friend. Personally, I don't think anyone will take you seriously if you don't update your profile!!!

[h1techSlave]

Thank you for your kind words :)

Now we will not hear back from h1techslave, Robert Kumar etc.

I know h1techslave, he gets hyper every now and then, shows up for take out his frustration on others before disappearing for a few months. Give him a day or two before you won't hear from him for next couple of months.

[Gravitation]

The Oh Law Firm (http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html)

He'll lift his hold if there're more provisions for H1B fraud investigations.

[navi]

If you are interested in reading more on today's progress, follow the AILA link,

AILA - American Immigration Lawyers Association (http://www.aila.org/mobile/default.aspx?mode=all)

[shekhar_shashi]

Actually its my second post. The previous one was two days back. :-)

I have channelized my anger to write something!!! Sometimes lazybones like me also do something.

I have participated very proactively on all IV action items in the last 6.5 years though. The first flower bouquet I ever sent was not for my girlfriend or wife but for the USCIS director.

[DallasBlue]

Purpose: To amend section 212(n) and 214(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act to modify
the procedures relating to the investigation of employers' compliance with applicable
immigration laws.

H. R. 3012

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the
per-country numerical limitation for employment-based
immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for
family-sponsored immigrants, and for other purposes.


Referred to the Committee on _____________ and ordered to be
printed

Ordered to lie on the table and to be printed

AMENDMENT INTENDED TO BE PROPOSED BY MR. GRASSLEY

Viz:

On page 6, after line 16, add the following:

SEC. 3. LABOR CONDITION APPLICATION.

(a) Application Review Requirements.—Section 212(n)(1) of the Immigration and Nationality
Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(n)(1)) is amended, in the undesignated matter at the end—

(1) by inserting “and through the Department of Labor’s website, without charge.” after
“D.C.”;

(2) by striking “only for completeness” and inserting “for completeness, clear indicators
of fraud or misrepresentation of material fact,”;

(3) by striking “or obviously inaccurate” and inserting “, presents clear indicators of fraud
or misrepresentation of material fact, or is obviously inaccurate”; and

(4) by adding at the end the following: “If the Secretary’s review of an application
identifies clear indicators of fraud or misrepresentation of material fact, the Secretary may
conduct an investigation and hearing in accordance with paragraph (2).”.

(b) Initiation of Investigations.—Section 212(n)(2)(G) of the Immigration and Nationality Act
(8 U.S.C. 1182(n)(2)(G)) is amended—

(1) in clause (i), by striking “In the case of an investigation” and all that follows;

(2) in clause (ii), by striking “and whose identity” and all that follows through “failure or
failures.” and inserting “the Secretary of Labor may conduct an investigation into the
employer’s compliance with the requirements of this subsection.”;

(3) in clause (iii), by striking the last sentence;

(4) by striking clauses (iv) and (v);

(5) by redesignating clauses (vi), (vii), and (viii) as clauses (iv), (v), and (vi),
respectively;

(6) in clause (iv), as redesignated, by striking “meet a condition described in clause (ii)”
and inserting “comply with the requirements under this subsection”;

(7) by amending clause (v), as redesignated, to read as follows:

“(v) The Secretary of Labor shall provide notice to an employer of the intent to conduct
an investigation. The notice shall be provided in such a manner, and shall contain sufficient
detail, to permit the employer to respond to the allegations before an investigation is
commenced. The Secretary is not required to comply with this clause if the Secretary
determines that such compliance would interfere with an effort by the Secretary to
investigate or secure compliance by the employer with the requirements of this subsection.
A determination by the Secretary under this clause shall not be subject to judicial review.”;

(8) in clause (vi), as redesignated, by striking “An investigation” and all that follows
through “the determination.” and inserting “If the Secretary of Labor, after an investigation
under clause (i) or (ii), determines that a reasonable basis exists to make a finding that the
employer has failed to comply with the requirements under this subsection, the Secretary
shall provide interested parties with notice of such determination and an opportunity for a
hearing in accordance with section 556 of title 5, United States Code, not later than 60 days
after the date of such determination.”; and

(9) by adding at the end the following:

“(vii) If the Secretary of Labor, after a hearing, finds that the employer has violated a
requirement under this subsection, the Secretary shall impose a penalty pursuant to
subparagraph (C).”.

(c) General Modification of Procedures for Investigation and Disposition.—Section
212(n)(2)(A) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(n)(2)(A)) is amended—

(1) by striking “(A) Subject” and inserting the following:

“(A)(i) Subject”;

(2) by striking the last sentence; and

(3) by adding at the end the following:

“(ii)(I) Upon the receipt of a complaint under clause (i), the Secretary may initiate an
investigation to determine if such a failure or misrepresentation has occurred.

“(II) The Secretary may conduct—

“(aa) surveys of the degree to which employers comply with the requirements of this
subsection; and

“(III) The Secretary—

“(aa) subject to the limitation in subsection (IV), may conduct annual compliance
audits of any employer that employs H–1B nonimmigrants during the applicable
calendar year;

“(bb) subject to the limitation in subsection (IV), shall conduct annual compliance
audits of each employer with more than 100 full-time equivalent employees who are
employed in the United States if more than 15 percent of the number of such full-time
employees are H–1B nonimmigrants; and

“(cc) make available to the public an executive summary or report describing the
general findings of the audits carried out pursuant to this subclause.”.

(IV) In the event an employer is subject to any annual compliance audit in which
there was no finding of a willful failure to meet a condition under 8 U.S.C.
1182(n)(2)(C)(ii), no further annual compliance audit shall be conducted with respect
to that employer for a period of at least 4 years, absent evidence of misrepresentation
or fraud.


Can someone put this in plain sentences.

[checkmet64]

Can someone put this in plain sentences.

I just sent you a message, let me know what you think.

[flthere]

You said "So probably IV is ding the same" .
Why do you need to say "probably". Why didnt you say "Definitely".

Do we want to be in "probable mode" for action, or in "definite mode".

Agree. Admin could just drop in n emphatically say 'Yes IV did ..' Just one line ..

Anyways, glad to see Mr. Grassley speak up ! Hope n pray the bill moves !!

[Gravitation]

Can someone put this in plain sentences.

They'll go very strict on slightest suspicion of fraud in H1B cases. DoL's findings in this regard will not be challengeable in court.

No effect on green-card process.

[flthere]

They'll go very strict on slightest suspicion of fraud in H1B cases. DoL's findings in this regard will not be challengeable in court.

No effect on green-card process.

This is good right to see fraud removed out of H1b process ?

[starscream]

Ok Folks the Clarion call has been given..see admin2's action items..

This is good right to see fraud removed out of H1b process ?

[mugembo]

H1-B fraud had been Senetor Grassley's biggest concern, and I think he is just trying to be fair to US workers here. Though I don't understand all the legal terms in his amendments, I think it can be agreed upon by other senetors. I don't know if this amended bill would have to go to house vote again or not, but I am all pumped up now!

All hail Senator Grassleyyyyyy!!!

They'll go very strict on slightest suspicion of fraud in H1B cases. DoL's findings in this regard will not be challengeable in court.

No effect on green-card process.

[Robert Kumar]

This is good right to see fraud removed out of H1b process ?

Good to see positive signs. Lets hope this gets cleared very fast.

[amitjoey]

Let us all do the action item.

[Saralayar]

Are you going to make Aeroplane with my profile ?
It is for the community and for IV statistical purpose. Forum visitors will also reply back to your questions if they see those details...

[dts]

Let us all do the action item.

Inspite of so many disappointed news, my conscuious was always positive that H.R.3012 is fairness and truth and truth has to win.
Guys, follow H.R.3012 on Facebook. I see new AI posted there to ask employers to sign petition.
Let us do AI and bring back disppointed/lost friends on this AI.
Momentum is up and lets accelerate.

IV , Please send out email about new AI posted on FB, as many frustrated folks left this forum.

[kkm]

New member , just subscribed for 6 - $25 payments
S-8HS80789EA526423D

Thanks