HR 3012 general discussion since April 2012

[turvi76]

Inspite of so many disappointed news, my conscuious was always positive that H.R.3012 is fairness and truth and truth has to win.
Guys, follow H.R.3012 on Facebook. I see new AI posted there to ask employers to sign petition.
Let us do AI and bring back disppointed/lost friends on this AI.
Momentum is up and lets accelerate.

IV , Please send out email about new AI posted on FB, as many frustrated folks left this forum.
For those of us who are not on FB (yes surprise-lol), can someone put the AI on here? Or am I not looking for it in the right places? Help!

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Folks who are visiting this thread and are not aware of the latest update and action item, please visit the thread "action item: request your employer to sign the petion for supporting HR3012." There is a good likelyhood that HR3012 will be taken up by senate.

This is real action for those who had been waiting on sidelines !! Please step up to the plate and contribute if you have been waiting. Life does not get any real than that. Each one of us has a chance to be a part of the history and those don't come by often !!

[donquit]

For people looking for the LATEST ACTION ITEM posted by IV Core click on the link below

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/3041365-action-item-ask-your-employer-to-sign-this-petition-supporting-hr3012.html#post3500582

You can also follow us on Twitter and Facebook by clicking on the links in the signature below.

And as always, please spread the word around...consider this to be a "ALL HANDS ON DECK" call.

[turvi76]

Contributed $100.
Thank you IV!

Everyone please contact anyone who runs a business to support this move and sign the petition per the action item!

[arun_ramani]

Why don't we propose to Senator Grassley to include Labor certification for EB1 category ? Who knows what fraud is going on there and it looks most of the IT companies take that route and easily get away without strict regulation as currently faced by H1 companies..

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[hello]

Why don't we propose to Senator Grassley to include Labor certification for EB1 category ? Who knows what fraud is going on there and it looks most of the IT companies take that route and easily get away without strict regulation as currently faced by H1 companies..At this point pls concentrate on AI.

[hello]

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Everyone please contact anyone who runs a business to support this move and sign the petition per the action item!Thank You.

[bibliophile2020]

HR3012 back on" Thomas Top Ten"
THOMAS Top Ten for 6/17/2012 - THOMAS (Library of Congress) (http://thomas.loc.gov/home/topten/topten_20120617.html)

[turvi76]

Got my employer and 2 other friends employers petition signed yesterday & today!
Three more scheduled for the friendly nudge at start of business Monday.

[checkmet64]

Got my employer and 2 other friends employers petition signed yesterday & today!
Three more scheduled for the friendly nudge at start of business Monday.

Thanks. Please post your updates on two latest action items in the thread "action item: request your employer to sign the petion for supporting HR3012."

[DallasBlue]

Guys, this is what I have pulled out from the posts in this thread please add to it or remove from it and improve upon it



Technically, HR3012 will not increase the number of visas already granted by the Congress - it'll remain at 140k.


HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bolster the housing loans and banks here)
will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now renewing EAD every year, they will buy those cars that they are putting off , buy those gadgets, equipment, tools etc. improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy


HR3012 serves national interest


H.R.3012 does not impact the "american tech worker". If the issue is about more number of tech workers coming in here to USA HR3012 doesn’t increase the visa numbers. This bill is removing the country caps. When a professional is hired one is not hired on the basis of nationality but only on the basis of the skills. The current wait times for India and china are like 50 years which is totally unreasonable. Tech workers are not impacted with or without H.R.3012 because all these people will remain here in US and are working here on AOS status (adjustment of status/Employment Authorization) and eventually be American tech worker in a matter of 5 years or 50 years.


"Some have argued that providing green cards to highly skilled foreign nationals harms the job prospects of
Americans. However, that argument ignores that skilled scientists, researchers and professionals help create
more jobs and innovations. Moreover, such individuals are hired as part of the normal recruitment process,
complementing, not replacing, Americans. Another argument made is that the green card problem is not dire,
since many foreign nationals stay in the United States years after receiving a Ph.D. But foreign nationals with
Ph.D.s are more likely to work in academia and represent only about 13 percent of H-1B visa holders annually.
The 5-year stay rate for Indians earning Ph.D.s at U.S. universities in science and engineering declined from 89
percent for those who received a doctorate in the year 2000, to 79 percent for Indian recipients of Ph.D.s in 2004.
Even if Ph.D.s from India and China were staying in the U.S. at the same rate as before it would not be relevant to
the green card problems experienced by foreign nationals at the masters and undergraduate levels."


Also, against 'immigrant exploitation', there are a lot of labor laws and worker safety laws that safeguard not only the immigrant workers but all the American tech and non tech workers.

Also apart from the above,


"employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries" - That is what is called Diversity- I humbly disagree- That is not what it was created for.


For that we have diversity visa. which gives equal opportunity for jobs from all countries, irrespective of their education or skill - barring countries that already have large populations here....so While Indians are barred from applying under Diversity- SriLankans and Nepalese are not.

For "diversity" Skill-based-immigrants are already being excluded from the "Diversity Visa". Why this double whammy? And, are there any country quotas in the diversity visa? Quite illogical

We are fighting a notion that "countries" are getting the benefit by sending its citizens here. In inida and china ther competition is fierce and only the best gets the chance to come US. How about the notion of a fair and just immigration system that doesn't discriminate based on national origin.
"Countries" are abstract. Individuals have life, feelings, etc. How to make ploicy/law maker and everyone understand?


• Every skilled immigrant saves money. The longer you are here the more money you save. By giving a person who stayed here longest a chance to file green card he can use his savings as investment in US. US needs investments in this economic times, win-win.

• If a person after working 15 years (60 credits) goes back then US would pay Social Security to that person after he retires. US Social Security goes outside as long as that person lives.

• Since 2001 US is granting 65000+ non immmigrant visas for skilled and high skilled applicants which indicates that there is a potential demand sine 2001.

• When employement visa is applied there is no country specific quota and it is first come first served basis along with other conditions. (Qualification, job demand etc.). Hence it is not based on DIVERSITY and dosent count spouses and childern.

• Only people who come in scarced Employment category can apply for GC. Hence it should not be based on DIVERSITY.

• Every year 140000 GC’s are allowed. So even if all the 65000+ apply there should not be any backlog.

• By putting a country limit in GC, an artificial queue is created. This creates as a pool of qualified, bonded, desperate labor force working for the betterment of US.

• HR3012 bill will remove the block/backlog and will make the system function correctly.


refrences:

http://www.nfap.com/pdf/NFAPPolicyBr...g.June2012.pdf
http://competeamerica.org/sites/defa...11%20FINAL.pdf

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Come on all of you , lets get together for our cause .We are responsible to end our own sufferings. Its now or never.

I just received an email from our company that they will sign the petition and already talked to 15 of my friends and some of them have the authority to sign and others are going to forward to their HR.

IV core, we cannot thank you enough.We SALUTE you.


thnks
gujju.

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Come on all of you , lets get together for our cause .We are responsible to end our own sufferings. Its now or never.

I just received an email from our company that they will sign the petition and already talked to 15 of my friends and some of them have the authority to sign and others are going to forward to their HR.

IV core, we cannot thank you enough.We SALUTE you.


thnks
gujju.

Great Job IV. I hope I was part of this group instead of from the beginning.

[irving_tx]

May the coming weeks be the most fruitful for all of us. I salute everyone @ IV for taking this up tirelessly.

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GO IV !!! Thanks to IV for working on this..

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Hello,

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Thanks for all your advocacy efforts.

Best,

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Also doing AI for the petition.

[gk_2000]

Guys, this is what I have pulled out from the posts in this thread please add to it or remove from it and improve upon it

"barring countries that already have large populations here"
This is wrong.
Only the "oversubscribed" countries are barred... those exceeding 7% for that year

[starscream]

Did you say 5000?????????????[/B]

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Go IV! I am talking to my employer now!

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Go IV! I am talking to my employer now!

$5000....seriously!!!

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I guess it's $50.00

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Go IV! I am talking to my employer now!

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If the amount written here is true, than that's a hell of a contribution. Hats off to you sir, we need more generous donors like you. Just made a small contribution of $5,000.

Your transaction ID for this payment is: 6LF45667DH732312X.


Go IV! I am talking to my employer now!

[mugembo]

That's a real bad typo in that case

I guess it's $50.00

[alien007]

I have asked a couple of employers to sign the petition supporting this bill.
With all the new updates and petitions on the bill H.R.3012, when is it likely to come to vote in the senate? is it possible before the elections?

[dts]

I have asked a couple of employers to sign the petition supporting this bill.
With all the new updates and petitions on the bill H.R.3012, when is it likely to come to vote in the senate? is it possible before the elections?

Let's not ask further upadte and let's not be impatient.
IV is doing wonderful job . Let us focus on AI and only AI.
IV has given great upadte and will give when appropriate.

[Chandini]

Please correct if i am wrong. This is my understanding of the H R 3012 BILL:

1) If H R 3012 PASSES the Start date for that bill is OCT 2011. They have to give visas from last year. 25 K visas last year. from 2011.

2) After passing the H R 3012 the bill is kept under the USCIS Federal Register for 1 month before it becomes active. (visas are being issued)

3) New additions on the bill made by Senator Grassley. The bill has to go back to the house and then to the Senate.



Are the above rules correct ?????? Let me know

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/26/business/immigrants-played-role-in-majority-of-us-technical-patents-study-finds.html?src=busln

Latest article in NYT in favor of high skilled immigrants.

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[pappu]

Did everyone get the newsletter today? If not, please update your profile with correct email address. We will be sending info via newsletter as well.

[stirfries]

Hi Pappu,

How do I subscribe to the newsletter? I checked my email and didn't see any newsletter yet. :confused:

Is the information that is on newsletter, posted on the blog as well?

Thanks,

[howzatt]

I've received emails previously from IV but no emails yesterday or in the recent past.

[pappu]

Hi Pappu,

How do I subscribe to the newsletter? I checked my email and didn't see any newsletter yet. :confused:

Is the information that is on newsletter, posted on the blog as well?

Thanks,

Please check your profile to see if your email Id is correct. We sent a newsletter yesterday. The content is same as this thread. We will be sending more in the coming days for HR3012.
Please make sure to visit IV website everyday to check action items and any information.

[dhakaldoo]

Please check your profile to see if your email Id is correct. We sent a newsletter yesterday. The content is same as this thread. We will be sending more in the coming days for HR3012.
Please make sure to visit IV website everyday to check action items and any information.

Hi Pappu,

I have my correct email and it shows that I am subscribed to Newsletter too. I have received the letters previously from aman and IV but somehow didnt get one yesterday.
If the content is the same as this thread then that's okay but I hope I don't miss the upcoming letters.

[dhakaldoo]

Hi Pappu,

I have my correct email and it shows that I am subscribed to Newsletter too. I have received the letters previously from aman and IV but somehow didnt get one yesterday.
If the content is the same as this thread then that's okay but I hope I don't miss the upcoming letters.

Okay My bad, It was in Spam section and I missed it cuz lately I am getting too much spam!

[howzatt]

I've received emails previously from IV but no emails yesterday or in the recent past.

It was hiding in my spam folder, I'm guessing this is the case for most people!

[amulchandra]

I got the newsletter.

Thank you

Amul

[greyhair]

It was hiding in my spam folder, I'm guessing this is the case for most people!

If the newsletter email landed in spam folder then mark it as 'Not a spam'.

In Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail, if a lot of people will mark the email from someone as 'Not a spam', then future messages from the same sender will be marked as 'safe' for you and possibly other recipients.

[TO BE OR NO TO BE]

Is that the e-mail from Aman Kapoor? Or there was a different newsletter? Just making sure.

[sagar8880]

I didn't receive any email, I checked my SPAM too.:confused:

[spven]

I didnt receive it too. Checked my SPAM folder also.

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Your transaction ID for this payment is: 2NU22528M28601503.

Small contribution of $100 ( on top of previous $200 )

Lets spread word through FB. I see very few likes on FB.

[stirfries]

Please check your profile to see if your email Id is correct. We sent a newsletter yesterday. The content is same as this thread. We will be sending more in the coming days for HR3012.
Please make sure to visit IV website everyday to check action items and any information.
Thanks Pappu.

I do have the correct email id setup on my profile. As a matter of fact, I changed my email id, just yesterday morning from one to another. I checked both the email ids (older and newer) including their spam folders but didn't find any. I am guessing the email newsletter was lost in transition from one to another.

I do make it as part of my daily routine to visit IV website everyday and check for action items/information.

Thanks,

[turvi76]

Interesting graph about Top 10 patent-producing Universities and the considerable skilled-immigrant contribution:

https://twitter.com/renewoureconomy/status/217647695622455296/photo/1/large?tw_p=twt

[turvi76]

sorry the earlier link seems broken. try this:
https://twitter.com/renewoureconomy/status/217648062586294272/photo/1

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Checked all mail folders, haven't received any emails yet. Had got the email from Aman last Nov regarding HR3012's voting in House

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[Suva]

Here is the latest update from lawyer's website on HR-3012. They recognize IV in the article below
ILW.COM - immigration news: Immigration Daily June 26, 2012 (http://www.ilw.com/immigrationdaily/digest/2012,0626.shtm)

[riva2005]

Thanks for the update

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I did receive the email from IV/Aman this morning.

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[dhirajs98]

After signing the letter in support of H.R. 3012 by mistake on behalf of my company, today I received a letter from TechNet saying this letter can only be signed by C-Level of the company and asked for the confirmation otherwise my company name will be removed from the list. I asked him to remove the company name from the list for now while I work with my HR to gain support. But in the second email from TechNet, he confirmed that my company is already in the list and supporting the bill.

That was nice to know. So all the guys out there, please check with technet, your company might already in the list of companies who is supporting the bill.

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[AcuraTSX]

I didnt receive it too. Checked my SPAM folder also.

Same here. My profile has the correct email ID. However no email received.

[waitingnwaiting]

Where are these guys now? They used to make lot of noise asking for updates, giving ideas and being an armchair critics. Have they gone into hiding. Each one of you please update on the forum if you contributed this month to IV and your employer signed the petition. IV will verify it. Let us see people who make noise are not just paper tigers.

I seriously think 1000's are needed in D.C. with 'Down with Grasseley' and 'Down with Discrimination' posters..

I agree this is a excellent thought and will surely bring our issue in the national limelight..I think there should be simultaneous rallies in every state capital if possible at the same time as the DC rally, People should carry literature or placards which say how may years we have been waiting patiently..Its now or never once the election is over all these issues will again take a back seat until the next election come around...can we afford to wait 4 more years just get the attention of the law makers?

We need a loud voice to get through those deaf ears.
Flower campaign or halwa campaign doesn't matter.. but we need something and it should be now..

I saw this in this thread..

''We need a loud voice to get through those deaf ears''

Two suggestions.. could be too foolish

RING THE BELL-- Organize to do pooja to get GC in temple, church ...on a particular date with publicity

Send cards/letters to senators to reach before July 4th asking for independence (GC), as we are all in Bonded Employment (EB)

Pappu,
I just don't understand why IV is not planning to take some action which gets noticed and bring this issue to the front burner exposing the senator who is blocking it. Lets start a flower campaign, media will notice it and then flood the youtube with home made video addressing how removing country quota is "Actually helping American Interest" and share of facebook and twitter again and again.
Everytime someone proposes this , IV says NO NO ..why ???? what is there to loose.
HR3012 is blocked and with all this efforts worst case it will remain the same. Also instead of us proposing this idea, IV should be planning and executing this way before.
Even grass is under the shoes and never get noticed till it gets into the eye. This grass root community also needs to get into the eyes to be noticed.
This is the best time EB2 is unavailable, more people will join the campaign.

Not that I don't respect and admire the efforts of IV but seems its loosing the steam.

[psaxena]

Where are these guys now? They used to make lot of noise asking for updates, giving ideas and being an armchair critics. Have they gone into hiding. Each one of you please update on the forum if you contributed this month to IV and your employer signed the petition. IV will verify it. Let us see people who make noise are not just paper tigers.

I am very much here and sent the letter to my HR and waiting to hear from them to sign the petition. The immature and childish personalities like yours always think why people get irritated from us , with your last post this should very much be clear to you.

Please do everyone a favor ....Grow up and act like one. You will not hear anymore replies from me no matter what you say so please don't bother.

[DallasBlue]

Guys, this is what I have pulled out from the posts in this thread please add to it or remove from it and improve upon it





Technically, HR3012 will not increase the number of visas already granted by the Congress - it'll remain at 140k.
HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bolster the housing loans and banks here)
will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now renewing EAD every year, they will buy those cars that they are putting off , buy those gadgets, equipment, tools etc. improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy

HR3012 serves national interest


H.R.3012 does not impact the "american tech worker". If the issue is about more number of tech workers coming in here to USA HR3012 doesn’t increase the visa numbers. This bill is removing the country caps. When a professional is hired one is not hired on the basis of nationality but only on the basis of the skills. The current wait times for India and china are like 50 years which is totally unreasonable. Tech workers are not impacted with or without H.R.3012 because all these people will remain here in US and are working here on AOS status (adjustment of status/Employment Authorization) and eventually be American tech worker in a matter of 5 years or 50 years.


"Some have argued that providing green cards to highly skilled foreign nationals harms the job prospects of
Americans. However, that argument ignores that skilled scientists, researchers and professionals help create
more jobs and innovations. Moreover, such individuals are hired as part of the normal recruitment process,
complementing, not replacing, Americans. Another argument made is that the green card problem is not dire,
since many foreign nationals stay in the United States years after receiving a Ph.D. But foreign nationals with
Ph.D.s are more likely to work in academia and represent only about 13 percent of H-1B visa holders annually.
The 5-year stay rate for Indians earning Ph.D.s at U.S. universities in science and engineering declined from 89
percent for those who received a doctorate in the year 2000, to 79 percent for Indian recipients of Ph.D.s in 2004.
Even if Ph.D.s from India and China were staying in the U.S. at the same rate as before it would not be relevant to
the green card problems experienced by foreign nationals at the masters and undergraduate levels."


Also, against 'immigrant exploitation', there are a lot of labor laws and worker safety laws that safeguard not only the immigrant workers but all the American tech and non tech workers.

Also apart from the above,


"employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries" - That is what is called Diversity- I humbly disagree- That is not what it was created for.


For that we have diversity visa. which gives equal opportunity for jobs from all countries, irrespective of their education or skill - oversubscribed countries are barred... those exceeding 7% for that year....so While Indians are barred from applying under Diversity- SriLankans and Nepalese are not.

For "diversity" Skill-based-immigrants are already being excluded from the "Diversity Visa". Why this double whammy? And, are there any country quotas in the diversity visa? Quite illogical

We are fighting a notion that "countries" are getting the benefit by sending its citizens here. In inida and china ther competition is fierce and only the best gets the chance to come US. How about the notion of a fair and just immigration system that doesn't discriminate based on national origin.
"Countries" are abstract. Individuals have life, feelings, etc. How to make ploicy/law maker and everyone understand?


• Every skilled immigrant saves money. The longer you are here the more money you save. By giving a person who stayed here longest a chance to file green card he can use his savings as investment in US. US needs investments in this economic times, win-win.

• If a person after working 15 years (60 credits) goes back then US would pay Social Security to that person after he retires. US Social Security goes outside as long as that person lives.

• Since 2001 US is granting 65000+ non immmigrant visas for skilled and high skilled applicants which indicates that there is a potential demand sine 2001.

• When employement visa is applied there is no country specific quota and it is first come first served basis along with other conditions. (Qualification, job demand etc.). Hence it is not based on DIVERSITY and dosent count spouses and childern.

• Only people who come in scarced Employment category can apply for GC. Hence it should not be based on DIVERSITY.

• Every year 140000 GC’s are allowed. So even if all the 65000+ apply there should not be any backlog.

• By putting a country limit in GC, an artificial queue is created. This creates as a pool of qualified, bonded, desperate labor force working for the betterment of US.

• HR3012 bill will remove the block/backlog and will make the system function correctly.


refrences:

http://www.nfap.com/pdf/NFAPPolicyBr...g.June2012.pdf
http://competeamerica.org/sites/defa...11%20FINAL.pdf

[Suva]

Guys, please avoid blaming others and focus on the sole objective here. Both of you would be benefited if 3012 is passed. So no more blame game guys.


I am very much here and sent the letter to my HR and waiting to hear from them to sign the petition. The immature and childish personalities like yours always think why people get irritated from us , with your last post this should very much be clear to you.

Please do everyone a favor ....Grow up and act like one. You will not hear anymore replies from me no matter what you say so please don't bother.

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[pappu]

Guys, this is what I have pulled out from the posts in this thread please add to it or remove from it and improve upon it

Guys, second round of action item is coming up. Those of you whose company is not in the list published today need to roll up their sleeves and get more companies to sign up. The new petition will open up soon. In the meantime please get ready for it.

[turvi76]

I envy those pictures today on nytimes.com showing smiles of liberation from supporters of Affordable Care Act. I want to look up with that grin in ecstasy when H.R. 3012 stands…waiting with that dream…and waiting

[Robert Kumar]

Enjoy this article .. while we wait..

Report: High Bipartisan Support for Green Cards Issued to Foreign-Born Graduates - Doris Nhan - NationalJournal.com (http://www.nationaljournal.com/thenextamerica/workforce/report-high-bipartisan-support-for-green-cards-issued-to-foreign-born-graduates-20120627)

[praskar]

This has been gaining a lot of attention and rightly so. Well done to Puppu and team.

[H1B_CIVIL_ENGINEER]

I just moved from Texas to North Dakota. I sent the letters to Texas politicians about HR 3012 when I was there. I can send the letters to North Dakota folks now that I am here. Are we still writing to them? Can you give me the link to sending e-mails? Thanks.

[gsarav]

Donoted $100.00
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Thanks and continue the HR 3012 efforts vigorously. Good luck.

[Suva]

News related to this bill in Indian news paper today.

Indian IT cos face annual H1-B visa audits, tighter rules (http://profit.ndtv.com/News/Article/indian-it-cos-face-annual-h1-b-visa-audits-tighter-rules-307310?pfrom=home-otherstories)

[pappu]

News related to this bill in Indian news paper today.

Indian IT cos face annual H1-B visa audits, tighter rules (http://profit.ndtv.com/News/Article/indian-it-cos-face-annual-h1-b-visa-audits-tighter-rules-307310?pfrom=home-otherstories)

The so called experts mentioned in the article are only trying to raise a scare and helping create a spicy headline. Instead of a catchy headline to why can't the headline be something like - Good news . H1b fraud is about to be significantly reduced. This will help give a good name to the well intentioned h1b program and give an opportunity for Indian companies to clear the misconception about them. It will significantly help reduce the exploitation of foreign workers improving their work experience and quality of life through HR3012. This common sense legislation removes the discriminatory per country limits forced upon employees that can increase the wait times for the coveted greencard by upto 70 years. Reducing these wait times also will help reduce exploitation of foreign workers waiting for years in a limbo state and vulnerable to exploitation. It is a great bill for companies often from india to clear their name and improve their perception in the American public. It is a good bill for foreign workers, foreign companies and ultimately good for US that needs best talent from around the world to fill the job needs and help innovate.

[looivy]

The so called experts mentioned in the article are only trying to raise a scare and helping create a spicy headline. Instead of a catchy headline to why can't the headline be something like - Good news . H1b fraud is about to be significantly reduced. This will help give a good name to the well intentioned h1b program and give an opportunity for Indian companies to clear the misconception about them. It will significantly help reduce the exploitation of foreign workers improving their work experience and quality of life through HR3012. This common sense legislation removes the discriminatory per country limits forced upon employees that can increase the wait times for the coveted greencard by upto 70 years. Reducing these wait times also will help reduce exploitation of foreign workers waiting for years in a limbo state and vulnerable to exploitation. It is a great bill for companies often from india to clear their name and improve their perception in the American public. It is a good bill for foreign workers, foreign companies and ultimately good for US that needs best talent from around the world to fill the job needs and help innovate.

Right said, Pappu.

[Rb_newsletter]

The so called experts mentioned in the article are only trying to raise a scare and helping create a spicy headline. Instead of a catchy headline to why can't the headline be something like - Good news . H1b fraud is about to be significantly reduced.

Well said.
The media would be interested in improving their TRP rating (see Target rating point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_rating_point) for details about TRP).

[DallasBlue]

The so called experts mentioned in the article are only trying to raise a scare and helping create a spicy headline. Instead of a catchy headline to why can't the headline be something like - Good news . H1b fraud is about to be significantly reduced. This will help give a good name to the well intentioned h1b program and give an opportunity for Indian companies to clear the misconception about them. It will significantly help reduce the exploitation of foreign workers improving their work experience and quality of life through HR3012. This common sense legislation removes the discriminatory per country limits forced upon employees that can increase the wait times for the coveted greencard by upto 70 years. Reducing these wait times also will help reduce exploitation of foreign workers waiting for years in a limbo state and vulnerable to exploitation. It is a great bill for companies often from india to clear their name and improve their perception in the American public. It is a good bill for foreign workers, foreign companies and ultimately good for US that needs best talent from around the world to fill the job needs and help innovate.

May I suggest the headline as , 'Senator Grassley fixes H1-B imprecise rules'.

The less than perfect (imperfect) H1-B laws(rules) are gamed and worked out to stretch their profits by the placement firms and in the way exploit the gullible foreign workers and bring down the wages. With his amendment senator fixes the system.

[pappu]

Grassley Is an anti immigrant senator. His ammendment is compromise reached by IV to make him lift the hold. Let us stop praising this senator who makes life difficuilt for all immigrants. This is a compromise, nothing more, nothing less!

This is just a perception created by some so called experts on the forums. They even use the Offensive word 'devil' in their posts. This is very derogatory for a respected US senator. But when we say these so called experts are greedy, they get offended. Funny. Do not pay attention to posts made to play to the crowd but think rationally on your own without being influenced by others thoughts. For long high skill bill was not moving because it was blocked by people who wanted CIR. And everyone knows CIR is just not possible in such divided congress. So now who is anti-high skilled? Politics is about discussions, making compromises and working together. There have been so many posts on various forums from people talking about bad apples in the immigration system. Media also has such stories. And our community has always wanted something be done about it so that the entire immigration program does not earn a bad name. So when a respected US senator sees an opportunity to fix this to an extent via a small amendment, why all this calling 'devil' and anti immigrant. Where are all those who used to post on the forum asking to stop fraud? Or was all that noise only for their selfish piece of plastic instead of fixing the problem for good for everyone? We all need to look beyond our country, catagory and priority date if we really want the system be fixed. If we are only concerned with our priority date then we may think every person in front of us is fraud and needs to be removed so that we move ahead in line. So now who is anti immigrant? Some racist folks in line from other countries call Indians as fraud. Aren't some of us anti- immigrant ourselves? It is time for conversation be elevated to a mature level where we show sincerity towards fixing the problem together rather than fixing it for our priority date.

[pappu]

Right said, Pappu.

It is time to relay such messages to our friends, people on forums, and media when needed. The discourse needs to be modified and elevated to be mature.

[RohitSharma]

Pappu, as of now, he still has a hold on HR3012 and the clock is running. He is habituated to put holds on everything that even begins with an 'I'. As of today I have no reason to praise the respected senator. But I promise to change my view and post several messages praising him, the day he takes off the 'hold'.

[vsrinir]

Let us hope on Next week developments in Senate.

[h1techSlave]

Pappu, as of now, he still has a hold on HR3012 and the clock is running. He is habituated to put holds on everything that even begins with an 'I'. As of today I have no reason to praise the respected senator. But I promise to change my view and post several messages praising him, the day he takes off the 'hold'.

may be he will bite on your bait :)

[pak]

It is time to relay such messages to our friends, people on forums, and media when needed. The discourse needs to be modified and elevated to be mature.

I reached out to two friends in the company on EBI-3 (2006 and 2007) and not aware of IV. We still need to lot of leg work. Go IV.

I

[arun_ramani]

Pappu,

There is no need to preach the immigrant community about the respect deserved by the senator. The fact is this bill was passed unanimously in the house and is put on hold by this senate. And that too, this is the least controversial bill!! What do you think ? Do you want us to believe that this senator is doing us a favor by putting a hold on this bill. Are we here to remove all the fraud in the system ? Is that not work of the different agencies ?

Let us not go out of the way of to sing praises of the senator when he has done everything to frustrate the immigrant community especially from India. We have a limit to our patience and don't belittle us with these sweeping statements. We need to focus our energy only on this bill and not frustrate the immigrant community, which is the strength of IV.

Thanks.
This is just a perception created by some so called experts on the forums. They even use the Offensive word 'devil' in their posts. This is very derogatory for a respected US senator. But when we say these so called experts are greedy, they get offended. Funny. Do not pay attention to posts made to play to the crowd but think rationally on your own without being influenced by others thoughts. For long high skill bill was not moving because it was blocked by people who wanted CIR. And everyone knows CIR is just not possible in such divided congress. So now who is anti-high skilled? Politics is about discussions, making compromises and working together. There have been so many posts on various forums from people talking about bad apples in the immigration system. Media also has such stories. And our community has always wanted something be done about it so that the entire immigration program does not earn a bad name. So when a respected US senator sees an opportunity to fix this to an extent via a small amendment, why all this calling 'devil' and anti immigrant. Where are all those who used to post on the forum asking to stop fraud? Or was all that noise only for their selfish piece of plastic instead of fixing the problem for good for everyone? We all need to look beyond our country, catagory and priority date if we really want the system be fixed. If we are only concerned with our priority date then we may think every person in front of us is fraud and needs to be removed so that we move ahead in line. So now who is anti immigrant? Some racist folks in line from other countries call Indians as fraud. Aren't some of us anti- immigrant ourselves? It is time for conversation be elevated to a mature level where we show sincerity towards fixing the problem together rather than fixing it for our priority date.

[CaliHoneB]

I think many people agree with arun_ramani. However, I do understand IV may have to use certain language when referring to this senator because of the compromise. I don't think any self respecting senator puts a hold on another bill to get what he wants, if he wanted to do something to fix fraud why didn't he write his own bill after all that is why he became a senator. He definitely didn't earn my respect.


Pappu,

There is no need to preach the immigrant community about the respect deserved by the senator. The fact is this bill was passed unanimously in the house and is put on hold by this senate. And that too, this is the least controversial bill!! What do you think ? Do you want us to believe that this senator is doing us a favor by putting a hold on this bill. Are we here to remove all the fraud in the system ? Is that not work of the different agencies ?

Let us not go out of the way of to sing praises of the senator when he has done everything to frustrate the immigrant community especially from India. We have a limit to our patience and don't belittle us with these sweeping statements. We need to focus our energy only on this bill and not frustrate the immigrant community, which is the strength of IV.

Thanks.

[bibliophile2020]

Did you guys start fighting again? If you want to pick a fight, why don't you guys go back to India? There are so many street goons waiting for you.
I would rather give up the whole H1B program if that helps me get GC sooner. Call me selfish or whatever! The situation we have now is RIDICULOUS. You are neither here nor there.

[pappu]

I think many people agree with arun_ramani. However, I do understand IV may have to use certain language when referring to this senator because of the compromise. I don't think any self respecting senator puts a hold on another bill to get what he wants, if he wanted to do something to fix fraud why didn't he write his own bill after all that is why he became a senator. He definitely didn't earn my respect.

That is part of the politics when a lawmaker wishes to champion a cause that does not have widespread support. That said, such hold is just something people are seeing in black and white today. Has anyone actually gone in detail and analyzed why no immigration bill has passed in the last 12 years? There were 3 bills in 2008: Recapture, Country limits and STEM. Why did they not pass? So It cannot be just this hold. There are several other reasons one comes across while working on a bill over the years and through the life cycle of a bill. In politics compromises are needed and that is the way to move forward. You have to give to get. Every other bill passes with a compromise.

[coopheal]

Did you guys start fighting again? If you want to pick a fight, why don't you guys go back to India? There are so many street goons waiting for you.
I would rather give up the whole H1B program if that helps me get GC sooner. Call me selfish or whatever! The situation we have now is RIDICULOUS. You are neither here nor there.

and this is the difference between people like you and me and IV.

IV worked on the bill from starting to fix a problem in the immigration system. The addition of the ammendment is also in those lines.

People who think the bill got passed easily in house are navie at best.....

[mechanical13]

Pappu,

There is no need to preach the immigrant community about the respect deserved by the senator. The fact is this bill was passed unanimously in the house and is put on hold by this senate. And that too, this is the least controversial bill!! .....

Thanks.

Arun,

Your frustration with the immigration laws of this country is shared by a lot many of us. No one is contesting the frustration.

Pappu however is 100% correct. If we want law-makers to look at things from our perspective, we need to have the grace to look at things from their view point.

The H1B rules amendment Sen. Grassley is asking is entirely reasonable. He is concerned that removal of per-country caps in the absence of stricter H1B rules will worsen the situation, and there is a VERY high likelihood that it will. Sure, passing of HR3012 without H1B rules will greatly help those of us who are already in line ---- but what will it do to future generations of immigrants?

There is no denying that the thought of waiting for 5, 10 or even 15 years for a green card is deterring some folks from coming to this country. I would even argue that for those who are considering defrauding the system, this is a deterrent that limits the fraud. If HR3012 were passed in the absence of H1B rules amendment, there is probably a very high likelihood that all the body-shops in the world will be inundated with applicants of all types and questionable credentials. Does anyone deny that there is H1B fraud in the system?

The new H1B amendment will definitely increase the burden of audits on small businesses, but it ensures the integrity of the H1B program while (most importantly) protecting the prospects of future skilled immigrants.

Bottom Line: If one is skilled, and working in a legit job that requires those skills, why would one be scared of audits? I think it will benefit everyone, and make the entire system more fair. It hurts everyone when someone with questionable credentials gets to stay here.

Just my $0.02.

[amulchandra]

I think many people agree with arun_ramani. However, I do understand IV may have to use certain language when referring to this senator because of the compromise. I don't think any self respecting senator puts a hold on another bill to get what he wants, if he wanted to do something to fix fraud why didn't he write his own bill after all that is why he became a senator. He definitely didn't earn my respect.

Hi all,

Let us not stir anyone's feelings here. Let us not be emotional. I don't want to sound like a preacher but what IV is trying to do is navigate the bill carefully towards it's destination. In politics there are no permanent friends or foes. Don't pay too much attention to the 'in between stuff' when the end goal is much bigger.


Amul

[DallasBlue]

That is part of the politics when a lawmaker wishes to champion a cause that does not have widespread support. That said, such hold is just something people are seeing in black and white today. Has anyone actually gone in detail and analyzed why no immigration bill has passed in the last 12 years? There were 3 bills in 2008: Recapture, Country limits and STEM. Why did they not pass? So It cannot be just this hold. There are several other reasons one comes across while working on a bill over the years and through the life cycle of a bill. In politics compromises are needed and that is the way to move forward. You have to give to get. Every other bill passes with a compromise.

Quote:
2008. Successful introduction of 3 bills in the House by Rep Zoe. Lofgren. This included elimination of per country limits Bill on which no other organization or business interest had ever advocated until that time. Immigration Voice successfully advocated these bills, brought in co-sponsors and received support from other interests for these bills.

H.R.5882
Title: To recapture employment-based immigrant visas lost to bureaucratic delays and to prevent losses of family- and employment-based immigrant visas in the future.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 4/23/2008) Cosponsors (31)

H.R.5921
Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per country level for employment-based immigrants and to end the spill-over of unused immigrant visa numbers between employment-based and family-sponsored categories.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 4/29/2008) Cosponsors (24)

H.R.6039
Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to authorize certain aliens who have earned a master's or higher degree from a United States institution of higher education in a field of science, technology, engineering, or mathematics to be admitted for permanent residence.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 5/13/2008) Cosponsors (34)


Right from 2008 there is a lot of support for IV's mission, i.e,

- End inequality based on country of Birth for Employment based green cards.
- Recapture Visas lost due to administrative delays
- STEM masters grads remain here and not go back and compete
- I485 filing without visa availability (thought to be admin/uscis fix , may be not ?? )
- not count dependents in EB quota , i.e, derivatives count off

So when there are so many co-sponsors for this just causes right from 2008 , I think it is the time for everyone to come together and rally support and give this bill a strong final push rising above eb categories, countries etc etc divisions.

IV is the only organization that is and will be here for a long haul to serve the national interest

Contribute and do the action items. persistence , persistence , persistence and only persistence with IV's mission.

[gk_2000]

This is just a perception created by some so called experts on the forums. They even use the Offensive word 'devil' in their posts. This is very derogatory for a respected US senator. But when we say these so called experts are greedy, they get offended. Funny. Do not pay attention to posts made to play to the crowd but think rationally on your own without being influenced by others thoughts. For long high skill bill was not moving because it was blocked by people who wanted CIR. And everyone knows CIR is just not possible in such divided congress. So now who is anti-high skilled? Politics is about discussions, making compromises and working together. There have been so many posts on various forums from people talking about bad apples in the immigration system. Media also has such stories. And our community has always wanted something be done about it so that the entire immigration program does not earn a bad name. So when a respected US senator sees an opportunity to fix this to an extent via a small amendment, why all this calling 'devil' and anti immigrant. Where are all those who used to post on the forum asking to stop fraud? Or was all that noise only for their selfish piece of plastic instead of fixing the problem for good for everyone? We all need to look beyond our country, catagory and priority date if we really want the system be fixed. If we are only concerned with our priority date then we may think every person in front of us is fraud and needs to be removed so that we move ahead in line. So now who is anti immigrant? Some racist folks in line from other countries call Indians as fraud. Aren't some of us anti- immigrant ourselves? It is time for conversation be elevated to a mature level where we show sincerity towards fixing the problem together rather than fixing it for our priority date.

I wish that some day all we desi immigrants get to this point. Not only we, but all those who need it. Very well said

[mechanical13]

This is just a perception created by some so called experts on the forums. They even use the Offensive word 'devil' in their posts. This is very derogatory for a respected US senator. But when we say these so called experts are greedy, they get offended. Funny. Do not pay attention to posts made to play to the crowd but think rationally on your own without being influenced by others thoughts. For long high skill bill was not moving because it was blocked by people who wanted CIR. And everyone knows CIR is just not possible in such divided congress. So now who is anti-high skilled? Politics is about discussions, making compromises and working together. There have been so many posts on various forums from people talking about bad apples in the immigration system. Media also has such stories. And our community has always wanted something be done about it so that the entire immigration program does not earn a bad name. So when a respected US senator sees an opportunity to fix this to an extent via a small amendment, why all this calling 'devil' and anti immigrant. Where are all those who used to post on the forum asking to stop fraud? Or was all that noise only for their selfish piece of plastic instead of fixing the problem for good for everyone? We all need to look beyond our country, catagory and priority date if we really want the system be fixed. If we are only concerned with our priority date then we may think every person in front of us is fraud and needs to be removed so that we move ahead in line. So now who is anti immigrant? Some racist folks in line from other countries call Indians as fraud. Aren't some of us anti- immigrant ourselves? It is time for conversation be elevated to a mature level where we show sincerity towards fixing the problem together rather than fixing it for our priority date.

I agree with you 100 % Pappu. This H1B amendment is required, and will help everyone in the long run. I too was annoyed by Grassley's demands initially, but the more I think about, the more I am starting to agree with his viewpoint - the entire immigration system is getting a bad name because of a few bad apples. This amendment will ensure better integrity of the H1B program.

[turvi76]

Let us hope on Next week developments in Senate.
July will be very crucial month admist the ammendments proposed on the bill. Hopefully we will see some significant strides before congress breaks away for recess for the entire month of August?

I hope we all focus on the big push than to debate on Sen. Grassley's stand on this bill.
Did we get new members to join in from this action item for July 4th? What are our next steps?
Contribute. Check.

[pd052011]

While I continue to be cautiously optimistic about HR 3012, I am not sure the general population(including some politicians) understands the difference between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. With a PD of May 2011, I do not expect any great help from the bill but if it helps the majority of people who have been waiting for so long, I am all for it and that is why I donated to the cause.

[pappu]

July will be very crucial month admist the ammendments proposed on the bill. Hopefully we will see some significant strides before congress breaks away for recess for the entire month of August?

I hope we all focus on the big push than to debate on Sen. Grassley's stand on this bill.
Did we get new members to join in from this action item for July 4th? What are our next steps?
Contribute. Check.

we need to really work hard this weekend and get more publicity for our cause. Please post flyers this weekend, send emails to friends, post on facebook etc. For the time ahead will need people in large numbers for successful action items if needed.They will need to be done on a short notice, so we will need all hands on deck available.

[turvi76]

we need to really work hard this weekend and get more publicity for our cause. Please post flyers this weekend, send emails to friends, post on facebook etc. For the time ahead will need people in large numbers for successful action items if needed.They will need to be done on a short notice, so we will need all hands on deck available.
pappu - are we raising awareness and publicity with other H-1bs only or even the green card holders, non-indian or non-chinese americans as well? if so, what do we want them all to do? sign petition?

most of my non-indian coworkers and aquaintances are aware and onboard to help (hands on deck!)... although i havent asked them to contribute.

my h-1b friends have contributed.

[turvi76]

Have you guys heard of “the story of stuff”? The Story of Stuff Project (http://www.storyofstuff.org) Annie and her team take up health and justice issues and make very simple concept videos to raise awareness of a particular matter. Maybe we should contact her team on making a video of the plight of legal immigration or IV should make such a video to go viral on the internet to raise awareness.
These videos are not tough to make if we have the story straight with simplified bullets. Even students learning video graphics might be able to help us make it real quick. Or even better…outsource to India for over the weekend turnaround 

[pd052011]

Have you guys heard of “the story of stuff”? The Story of Stuff Project (http://www.storyofstuff.org) Annie and her team take up health and justice issues and make very simple concept videos to raise awareness of a particular matter. Maybe we should contact her team on making a video of the plight of legal immigration or IV should make such a video to go viral on the internet to raise awareness.
These videos are not tough to make if we have the story straight with simplified bullets. Even students learning video graphics might be able to help us make it real quick. Or even better…outsource to India for over the weekend turnaround 

That is a superb idea. I hope IV can do this.

[DallasBlue]

with so much push from all sides for the passage of HR3012, it is just a matter of time that the big law firms will rise above and support it and donate to IV.

Universities support HR3012:
http://www.renewoureconomy.org/sites/all/themes/pnae/university-letter.pdf

Businesses support HR3012:
http://www.technet.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Tech-Industry-Letter-in-Support-of-Repealing-the-Per-Country-Limit-JUN-27-2012.pdf


with an amendment,Senator Grassley fixes H1-B imprecise rules and makes HR3012 bill even better.

The less than perfect (imperfect) H1-B laws(rules) are gamed and worked out to stretch their profits by the placement firms and in the way exploit the gullible foreign workers and bring down the wages. With his amendment senator fixes the system.







Technically, HR3012 will not increase the number of visas already granted by the Congress - it'll remain at 140k.
• HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
• will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
• will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bolster the housing loans and banks here)
• will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now renewing EAD every year, they will buy those cars that they are putting off , buy those gadgets, equipment, tools etc. improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
• will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
• will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
• will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy

HR3012 serves national interest


H.R.3012 does not impact the "american tech worker". If the issue is about more number of tech workers coming in here to USA HR3012 doesn’t increase the visa numbers. This bill is removing the country caps. When a professional is hired one is not hired on the basis of nationality but only on the basis of the skills. The current wait times for India and china are like 50 years which is totally unreasonable. Tech workers are not impacted with or without H.R.3012 because all these people will remain here in US and are working here on AOS status (adjustment of status/Employment Authorization) and eventually be American tech worker in a matter of 5 years or 50 years.


"Some have argued that providing green cards to highly skilled foreign nationals harms the job prospects of
Americans. However, that argument ignores that skilled scientists, researchers and professionals help create
more jobs and innovations. Moreover, such individuals are hired as part of the normal recruitment process,
complementing, not replacing, Americans. Another argument made is that the green card problem is not dire,
since many foreign nationals stay in the United States years after receiving a Ph.D. But foreign nationals with
Ph.D.s are more likely to work in academia and represent only about 13 percent of H-1B visa holders annually.
The 5-year stay rate for Indians earning Ph.D.s at U.S. universities in science and engineering declined from 89
percent for those who received a doctorate in the year 2000, to 79 percent for Indian recipients of Ph.D.s in 2004.
Even if Ph.D.s from India and China were staying in the U.S. at the same rate as before it would not be relevant to
the green card problems experienced by foreign nationals at the masters and undergraduate levels."


Also, against 'immigrant exploitation', there are a lot of labor laws and worker safety laws that safeguard not only the immigrant workers but all the American tech and non tech workers.

Also apart from the above,


"employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries" - That is what is called Diversity- I humbly disagree- That is not what it was created for.


For that we have diversity visa. which gives equal opportunity for jobs from all countries, irrespective of their education or skill - oversubscribed countries are barred... those exceeding 7% for that year....so While Indians are barred from applying under Diversity- SriLankans and Nepalese are not.

For "diversity" Skill-based-immigrants are already being excluded from the "Diversity Visa". Why this double whammy? And, are there any country quotas in the diversity visa? Quite illogical

We are fighting a notion that "countries" are getting the benefit by sending its citizens here. In inida and china ther competition is fierce and only the best gets the chance to come US. How about the notion of a fair and just immigration system that doesn't discriminate based on national origin.
"Countries" are abstract. Individuals have life, feelings, etc. How to make ploicy/law maker and everyone understand?


• Every skilled immigrant saves money. The longer you are here the more money you save. By giving a person who stayed here longest a chance to file green card he can use his savings as investment in US. US needs investments in this economic times, win-win.

• If a person after working 15 years (60 credits) goes back then US would pay Social Security to that person after he retires. US Social Security goes outside as long as that person lives.

• Since 2001 US is granting 65000+ non immmigrant visas for skilled and high skilled applicants which indicates that there is a potential demand sine 2001.

• When employement visa is applied there is no country specific quota and it is first come first served basis along with other conditions. (Qualification, job demand etc.). Hence it is not based on DIVERSITY and dosent count spouses and childern.

• Only people who come in scarced Employment category can apply for GC. Hence it should not be based on DIVERSITY.

• Every year 140000 GC’s are allowed. So even if all the 65000+ apply there should not be any backlog.

• By putting a country limit in GC, an artificial queue is created. This creates as a pool of qualified, bonded, desperate labor force working for the betterment of US.

• HR3012 bill will remove the block/backlog and will make the system function correctly.


refrences:

http://www.nfap.com/pdf/NFAPPolicyBr...g.June2012.pdf
http://competeamerica.org/sites/defa...11%20FINAL.pdf

[forever_waiting]

It is funny to see some folks getting riled up when pappu is merely trying to point out the intricacies in negotiating a compromise. Such people are completely missing the point. No one hates or loves anyone forever in politics. It's all about getting their part of the deal. We all used think dems are the ones who are going to be our saviors and used to worship them till we realized they are only after CIR. Ultimately, it was a tea party Lawmaker who introduced Hr3012 that will eventually remove the stupid per country caps. Yeah Grassley wants his share so what...it's not the Grassley-Durbin bill or anything..just
a benign amendment. Let's move and stop getting all frustrated over personal feelings about one lawmaker. We should already be understanding all this after the background
provided by IV.

[forever_waiting]

Posted fliers at couple of other apartment communities today. Spoke to several friends and around 10 promised to join in grass roots efforts. Couple of them contributed to IV for HR 3012.

[forever_waiting]

So what do you propose should be done? Ask lawmakers to kill the bill because of an amendment? We don't live in a perfect world. So get real.

Why do you support this amendment ? Because you don't work for one of these consulting firms. You might have come to this country on student visa swearing your non-immigrant intend and then applied for GC. Does it sound like fraud ?

Grassley's original amendment was for all H1B sponsoring companies. If IV truly believed that this amendment "makes a good bill even better", why did IV negotiate to bring down the scope of this amendment to subset of the companies ? If the audited companies had "nothing to fear", why did they negotiate to bring down the scope ?

We know what it is. A compromise. So please don't BS us with this political talk "makes the good bill even better".

This bill was sponsored by Jason Chafetz and co-sponsored by lot of good congressmen and voted in by hundreds of congressman/congresswoman. I haven't seen anyone praising these good lawmakers like the way they praise Grassley. Licking the boots that kicked us: We have done it during the British raj, we are doing it again.

If it was not for this Iowan lawmaker, many of us would be in a greencard status by now.

Coming to lawmakers that held our provisions for CIR, they are at least pro-immigrant. So despite their politics, I have a great deal of respect for them.

[gc_check]

Folks everyone is entitled to their own opinion. People can look at Garsley's Amendment as a compromise or make the bill from good to better, what ever it may be. Overall, there isn't any better solution that the one we have, though some might argue it isn't perfect. Any process evolves overtime. There is no denial H1B is misused by few and it should be stopped even if it is a smaller percentage. The intent of H1B program is good and it is transformed overtime and the one proposed makes it better and not worse. It isn't a bad compromise and is a win-win situation.Also the huge backlog / discrimination against people from one state should also stop. The delay EB3 applicants are subjected too with out doing anything isn't an option at all. The proposal is the best at this time and all energy should focus on getting this make it to the President;s desk for signature.

[pak]

Reid Statement On June’s Jobs Report | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2012/07/06/reid-statement-on-junes-jobs-report/)

Today’s report is further evidence that Congress should be focusing on creating jobs and helping the middle class, not re-fighting old battles for political gain. .......As this report clearly shows, it’s time to move on and focus on jobs. ....To help spark the growth we need, the Senate will move next week to vote on a series of common-sense jobs bills .........

[Suva]

Any update on this bill?

[pappu]

sanhari Pls check your PM

[kkomurav]

Just mailed a check for $200 to support HR 3012

Thanks,
Kumar
EB3 with Priorty date: May/2003

[pappu]

Just mailed a check for $200 to support HR 3012

Thanks,
Kumar
EB3 with Priorty date: May/2003

Thank you

[dts]

Itna Sannata kyun hai bhai?
Keep discussion on, on and on....

[maxy_77]

3 bipartisan bills that could get the economy moving - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/09/opinion/avlon-three-bills-economy/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7)

good see this metioned on CNN.

[maxy_77]

3 bipartisan bills that could get the economy moving - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/09/opinion/avlon-three-bills-economy/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7)

good see this metioned on CNN.


The Start-Up 2.0 bill -- co-sponsored by Republican Sens. Marco Rubio and Jerry Moran as well as Democratic Sens. Mark Warner and Chris Coons -- would allow Ph.D. or master's graduates in science, technology, engineering and math to receive green cards to work in the U.S., while also lifting the per-country cap on skilled worker visas.

[thomachan72]

The Start-Up 2.0 bill -- co-sponsored by Republican Sens. Marco Rubio and Jerry Moran as well as Democratic Sens. Mark Warner and Chris Coons -- would allow Ph.D. or master's graduates in science, technology, engineering and math to receive green cards to work in the U.S., while also lifting the per-country cap on skilled worker visas.

maxy lets for now focus on H.R.3012. These other bills have long ways to go.

[DallasBlue]

contribute:
http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44


write to senate / senate commitee / majority leaders in senate
http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=57856511

follow action items

build up the case for HR3012

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/info-tech/article3624656.ece

[arun_ramani]

US Bill on green cards may soon be introduced in Senate - Home - livemint.com (http://videos.livemint.com/2012/07/10213040/US-Bill-on-green-cards-may-soo.html?atype=tp)

[imh1b]

US Bill on green cards may soon be introduced in Senate - Home - livemint.com (http://videos.livemint.com/2012/07/10213040/US-Bill-on-green-cards-may-soo.html?atype=tp)

Nothing new than what every forum member already knows. These forum members probably know more and are better with the technicalities of the bill. A unheard of foriegn media is reporting by repackaging information in my opinion. We have seen such repackaging of information by experts on other forums too. Since when is a lawyer in Mumbai an expert in Immigration law of USA? Why cannot they interview the actual people of Immigration voice behind this bill? The interesting thing here is they mixed up multiple stories into one to make it a good chicken tikka masala.

[flthere]

July 9th (rather 10th) is here ... any updates on Senate's calendar now that it's back in session ?

[flthere]

Actually, looking at this month's visa bulletin, looks like the entire EB3 category is well behind .. including ROWs .. the dates are as far back as 2006 for all EB3 countries ... so even with HR3012, things will move to 2006 at the most for all countries by 2015, which is like 9 years behind !

I presume there should be a limit to number EB2 or EB3 PERMS that could be applied in each calendar year. Nothing more than 140k at the least !

[amitjoey]

July 9th (rather 10th) is here ... any updates on Senate's calendar now that it's back in session ?

Has not been placed on senate calendar . First time placed in Nov 2011 by Mr. Grassley himself and been read the second time and placed on Jan 23, 2012. Not been placed after that.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-112scal-2012-07-10/pdf/CCAL-112scal-2012-07-10.pdf

[GreenCard4US]

3 bipartisan bills that could get the economy moving - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/09/opinion/avlon-three-bills-economy/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7)

[bp333]

1. Does the bill have to pass the House again for voting as result of Senator Grassley's ammendment (assuming he'd lift the hold in exchange for his ammendment)?

2. Once successfully passed in Senate, how would the 140K Visa will be split? Does it evenly get distributed across EB1, EB2, EB3 and other categories and then gets issued to applicants with oldest priorty dates?

P.S: I did search in existing forums for above info prior to posting. Also, executed most of the action items. Recently printed and posted flyers in Chicago NW suburbs.

Thanks in advanace!

[new_horizon]

Pls see my comments below:

1. Does the bill have to pass the House again for voting as result of Senator Grassley's ammendment (assuming he'd lift the hold in exchange for his ammendment)? YES

2. Once successfully passed in Senate, how would the 140K Visa will be split? Does it evenly get distributed across EB1, EB2, EB3 and other categories and then gets issued to applicants with oldest priorty dates? YES EVENLY, AND FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS

P.S: I did search in existing forums for above info prior to posting. Also, executed most of the action items. Recently printed and posted flyers in Chicago NW suburbs.

Thanks for doing the action items. Also pls participate in recurring monthly financial contributions if not already doing so. Thank you!!

Thanks in advanace!

[Robert Kumar]

Pls see my comments below:

I have a question.
Lets say the Bill 3012 gets passed this week, God willing...
The Bill says its in effect from Sep 2011. But today is July 2012.
So will there be any numbers that can be used from last year, as the year is almost ending come Sep.
This is just to keep the discussion going.. I'm doing my action items..

[vsrinir]

I have a question.
Lets say the Bill 3012 gets passed this week, God willing...
The Bill says its in effect from Sep 2011. But today is July 2012.
So will there be any numbers that can be used from last year, as the year is almost ending come Sep.
This is just to keep the discussion going.. I'm doing my action items..

Do you really think this bill will pass this week?

I wish that dream come true.

[spven]

You never know it could pass this week or next week. Since it will very likely be a voice vote, all they need is a few minutes. Looking at some of the voice votes, sometimes they dont seem to be on the days calendar.

[Chandini]

Correct me if i am wrong. Process of the bill

1) Bill H R 3012 has to pass the house vote first.

2)Then It has to pass the senate.

3) After the bill passed in Senate President has to sign.

4) Bill H R 3012 has to be kept for 1 months in the Federal Register.

As the bill is effective from Oct 2011 i wonder how the visas will be given ???

[flthere]

Correct me if i am wrong. Process of the bill

1) Bill H R 3012 has to pass the house vote first.

2)Then It has to pass the senate.

3) After the bill passed in Senate President has to sign.

4) Bill H R 3012 has to be kept for 1 months in the Federal Register.

As the bill is effective from Oct 2011 i wonder how the visas will be given ???

Maybe they will amend that effective start date as well to October 2012 when it goes to House again.

[spven]

Here are the next steps in the process, these are discussed before too.
1. Bill has passed house
2. Bill has to pass senate. If bill is similar it goes to Obama's desk. Since Grassley ammendment will be tacked, it has to go back to the house. Both chambers have to pass a bill with same language
3. House can take up the amended senate bill or ask for a conference. Since it is an republican ammendment, very likely house will take the ammended bill
4. Once it passes with same language, goes to obama and then later published in Federal register.
5. I have no idea about 2011 start date and should be least of our worries as visas alloted cant be taken back and 2011 quota is gone.

[Chandini]

I know Bill has to be passed again in the house because of the amendment made by Grassley.
.So it will take about 2
months ( "IF" no opposition by any one on the bill) before we see any green cards.


Here are the next steps in the process, these are discussed before too.
1. Bill has passed house
2. Bill has to pass senate. If bill is similar it goes to Obama's desk. Since Grassley ammendment will be tacked, it has to go back to the house. Both chambers have to pass a bill with same language
3. House can take up the amended senate bill or ask for a conference. Since it is an republican ammendment, very likely house will take the ammended bill
4. Once it passes with same language, goes to obama and then later published in Federal register.
5. I have no idea about 2011 start date and should be least of our worries as visas alloted cant be taken back and 2011 quota is gone.

[turvi76]

I know Bill has to be passed again in the house because of the amendment made by Grassley.
.So it will take about 2
months ( "IF" no opposition by any one on the bill) before we see any green cards.
What about the senate recess for the full month of August? I asked this question earlier too...if we dont get it moving this month, we waste August? And then comes the election ruffle

[Chandini]

Very true. We have to get this before July 30th thats less than 20 days.

What about the senate recess for the full month of August? I asked this question earlier too...if we dont get it moving this month, we waste August? And then comes the election ruffle

[Suva]

I have the same question.

What about the senate recess for the full month of August? I asked this question earlier too...if we dont get it moving this month, we waste August? And then comes the election ruffle

[Robert Kumar]

I have the same question.

So we have just around 2 weeks now, and then a big recess. If we miss this, then we enter into a zone where elections agenda will be on the top, as days go by.

Pappu,
Can something be done, please. We all have the same concern now.

[mugembo]

Just to lighten the mood here:

I have made few bets in stock market recently that will give me good return if stocks go down in coming days :eek:

If that happens and I make good profit, I pledge to donate 20% of that profit to IV in support of HR3012 :)

[mahujam]

How is the bill placed on the roster for voting ? Is there an advanced warning required or can it be scheduled anytime for voting in the next two weeks.

[h1techSlave]

Just to lighten the mood here:

I have made few bets in stock market recently that will give me good return if stocks go down in coming days :eek:

If that happens and I make good profit, I pledge to donate 20% of that profit to IV in support of HR3012 :)

My situation is that I have invested lots of money in the stock market. If the market crashes, I will loose lots of money.

So the dilemma is whether I should pray for the market to crash (thus you giving 20% of your profit to IV) or should I pray for market to improve (making me rich). :)

[thomachan72]

My situation is that I have invested lots of money in the stock market. If the market crashes, I will loose lots of money.

So the dilemma is whether I should pray for the market to crash (thus you giving 20% of your profit to IV) or should I pray for market to improve (making me rich). :)

I can never support the idea of short trading :p lets hope the market progresses upwards at a healthy pace.

[mugembo]

I support both, If your timing and strategy is right then you can make good money by being short too. I am hoping to donate at-least few hundred $$$ in next month or so. Let's see how it all turns out.

I can never support the idea of short trading :p lets hope the market progresses upwards at a healthy pace.

[gk_2000]

How about both you guys pledging 20% profits so it wont matter if it goes down or up :p

[mugembo]

lol, I don't want anyone to lose money. Besides I am 60% long and 40% short on my positions, so I wouldn't want the market to crash either. Ideal situation would be a short term plunge followed by a long-term sustained growth.

My situation is that I have invested lots of money in the stock market. If the market crashes, I will loose lots of money.

So the dilemma is whether I should pray for the market to crash (thus you giving 20% of your profit to IV) or should I pray for market to improve (making me rich). :)

[mugembo]

Sure, Why not. IV in win win situation.

BTW, I like your signature. Copied it and added donate link to mine. I hope you don't mind ;).

How about both you guys pledging 20% profits so it wont matter if it goes down or up :p

Thanks!

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[i_my_Voice]

Just to lighten the mood here:

I have made few bets in stock market recently that will give me good return if stocks go down in coming days :eek:

If that happens and I make good profit, I pledge to donate 20% of that profit to IV in support of HR3012 :)
What if you make a loss? Do you expect IV to do the same - compensate you by 20% of your loss....:) hehehehehe....Let's ask Mr P Chidambaram to give something who has 50,000 crores in UBS Swiss bank....Even if he gived couple of crores, this bill will pass in 2 weeks....:)

[i_my_Voice]

How about both you guys pledging 20% profits so it wont matter if it goes down or up :p
Diversification WINS!!!! :)

[mugembo]

Senetor Grassley Lifted the HOLD officially.

Great work IV

[bp333]

Pls see my comments below:

So as to next steps go:
1. Senate to vote
2. Revote in house since the amendment
3. Does it need to come back to senate for vote or would it be a pass thru since senate already voted? (assuming house doesn't alter the bill)

[bp333]

Pls see my comments below:

So as to next steps go:
1. Senate to vote
2. Revote in house because of the amendment
3. Does it need to come back to senate for vote or would it be a pass thru since senate already voted? (assuming house doesn't alter the bill)

[katta]

The Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act, H.R. 3012 (http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=41746)

[turvi76]

Justice delayed is Justice denied! Let's hope this rolls further with the same momentum that we have seen starting July. Go IV!

[mygreen]

THANK YOU SO MUCH IV.

We all should be very happy and keep support IV until we reach the final goal …I know, there is a lot of work left, but, I am confident that if we all unite with IV and we can easily do it....

I personally feel the immediate next step is donation to IV to reach to the final goal.

Please donate how much ever you want to and call your friends and family and ask them to donate for this great cause. Trust me, after this news is out, I immediately called 6 people who will benefit with this bill and asked them to sign-in in this forum and make a donation and also asked these 6 people to get at least another 5 people to do the donation to IV for HR 3012. Also, I am NOT going to stop with these 6.

If not now, I do NOT see it’s going to come this closer in the near future.

I sincerely request you to please donate to IV and follow the action items towards this great goal. WE ARE NOT DONE YET.

I do not have any direct contact with IV and I am just as like you, But, I've TRUST on them.

FYI.. I have signed for 6 months donation, which was expired few months back and now I just made one time BIG donation and will do the same in the future too.

I know I am keep saying the same again and again. Please support and get this pass the line.

Disclaimer: I am not forcing my views and opinion on this on anyone. I am just putting this out there to help encourage others who have been struck in the LONG lines ... For those of you who may get offended then feel free to vent out your frustration in different way BUT not on me please.

[checkmet64]

For those who were still waiting for action....THIS IS REAL ACTION!!

If you were still waiting on the fence...the time is NOW !! IV will need all the resources it can to get through !!

If you have been desperate to get your freedom, show that you got it inside you ! So don' just congratulate, Contribute NOW

[gk_2000]

es ... For those of you who may get offended then feel free to vent out your frustration in different way BUT not on me please.[/I][/B]

Ya, you guys can use me, fine? :p :p

[pappu]

An important action item is to be done tomorrow. Please be prepared. Visit IV website. Tell your friends to get active on IV and spread the word for more to join this effort.

Please check IV site tomorrow for an action item.

[pappu]

First post here. Small contribution of $100.
Thanks a lot team IV for all the hard work, great job !!!

Thank you. Each contribution will help us put in more resources to inch closer to our goal of getting HR3012 passed. Please encourage your friends to join and support this effort asap. This is crunch time and we need all hands on the deck for support.

[rdoib]

Good morning, please continue with action items.

[DallasBlue]

HR3012 ends inequality. Its fraudsters who will be worried about and would be opposing the Grassley amendment

contribute:
http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44

write to senate / senate commitee / majority leaders in senate to pass the bill.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Follow action items

[DallasBlue]

Visa Backlog Creates Brain Drain

www.kauffman.org/uploadedFiles/reverse_brain_drain_101807.pdf


Just over 52% of start-up companies there had immigrant founders, with the highest proportion from India, followed by China and Taiwan.

archive.sba.gov/advo/research/rs334tot.pdf

www.kauffman.org/entrepreneurship/foreign-born-entrepreneurs.aspx

http://www.inc.com/articles/201110/why-the-next-steve-jobs-will-be-asian.html

http://www.democracyjournal.org/21/our-best-imports-keeping-immigrant-innovators-here.php?page=all




with so much push from all sides for the passage of HR3012, it is just a matter of time that all the parties set aside their interests and rise above and support HR3012 and donate to IV.

Universities support HR3012:
http://www.renewoureconomy.org/sites/all/themes/pnae/university-letter.pdf

Businesses support HR3012:
http://www.technet.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Tech-Industry-Letter-in-Support-of-Repealing-the-Per-Country-Limit-JUN-27-2012.pdf


with an amendment,Senator Grassley fixes H1-B imprecise rules and makes HR3012 bill even better.

The less than perfect (imperfect) H1-B laws(rules) are gamed and worked out to stretch their profits by the placement firms and in the way exploit the gullible foreign workers and bring down the wages. With his amendment senator fixes the system.





Technically, HR3012 will not increase the number of visas already granted by the Congress - it'll remain at 140k.
• HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
• will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
• will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bolster the housing loans and banks here)
• will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now renewing EAD every year, they will buy those cars that they are putting off , buy those gadgets, equipment, tools etc. improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
• will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
• will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
• will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy

HR3012 serves national interest


H.R.3012 does not impact the "american tech worker". If the issue is about more number of tech workers coming in here to USA HR3012 doesn’t increase the visa numbers. This bill is removing the country caps. When a professional is hired one is not hired on the basis of nationality but only on the basis of the skills. The current wait times for India and china are like 50 years which is totally unreasonable. Tech workers are not impacted with or without H.R.3012 because all these people will remain here in US and are working here on AOS status (adjustment of status/Employment Authorization) and eventually be American tech worker in a matter of 5 years or 50 years.


"Some have argued that providing green cards to highly skilled foreign nationals harms the job prospects of
Americans. However, that argument ignores that skilled scientists, researchers and professionals help create
more jobs and innovations. Moreover, such individuals are hired as part of the normal recruitment process,
complementing, not replacing, Americans. Another argument made is that the green card problem is not dire,
since many foreign nationals stay in the United States years after receiving a Ph.D. But foreign nationals with
Ph.D.s are more likely to work in academia and represent only about 13 percent of H-1B visa holders annually.
The 5-year stay rate for Indians earning Ph.D.s at U.S. universities in science and engineering declined from 89
percent for those who received a doctorate in the year 2000, to 79 percent for Indian recipients of Ph.D.s in 2004.
Even if Ph.D.s from India and China were staying in the U.S. at the same rate as before it would not be relevant to
the green card problems experienced by foreign nationals at the masters and undergraduate levels."


Also, against 'immigrant exploitation', there are a lot of labor laws and worker safety laws that safeguard not only the immigrant workers but all the American tech and non tech workers.

Also apart from the above,


"employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries" - That is what is called Diversity- I humbly disagree- That is not what it was created for.


For that we have diversity visa. which gives equal opportunity for jobs from all countries, irrespective of their education or skill - oversubscribed countries are barred... those exceeding 7% for that year....so While Indians are barred from applying under Diversity- SriLankans and Nepalese are not.

For "diversity" Skill-based-immigrants are already being excluded from the "Diversity Visa". Why this double whammy? And, are there any country quotas in the diversity visa? Quite illogical

We are fighting a notion that "countries" are getting the benefit by sending its citizens here. In inida and china ther competition is fierce and only the best gets the chance to come US. How about the notion of a fair and just immigration system that doesn't discriminate based on national origin.
"Countries" are abstract. Individuals have life, feelings, etc. How to make ploicy/law maker and everyone understand?


• Every skilled immigrant saves money. The longer you are here the more money you save. By giving a person who stayed here longest a chance to file green card he can use his savings as investment in US. US needs investments in this economic times, win-win.

• If a person after working 15 years (60 credits) goes back then US would pay Social Security to that person after he retires. US Social Security goes outside as long as that person lives.

• Since 2001 US is granting 65000+ non immmigrant visas for skilled and high skilled applicants which indicates that there is a potential demand sine 2001.

• When employement visa is applied there is no country specific quota and it is first come first served basis along with other conditions. (Qualification, job demand etc.). Hence it is not based on DIVERSITY and dosent count spouses and childern.

• Only people who come in scarced Employment category can apply for GC. Hence it should not be based on DIVERSITY.

• Every year 140000 GC’s are allowed. So even if all the 65000+ apply there should not be any backlog.

• By putting a country limit in GC, an artificial queue is created. This creates as a pool of qualified, bonded, desperate labor force working for the betterment of US.

• HR3012 bill will remove the block/backlog and will make the system function correctly.


refrences:

http://www.nfap.com/pdf/NFAPPolicyBr...g.June2012.pdf
http://competeamerica.org/sites/defa...11%20FINAL.pdf

[greyhair]

Let us expand grassley,s ammendment to all companies and also build a temple for grassley !

Let us ask IV to include Grassley's original amendment to HR 3012- since only fraudsters are worried about grassley's amendment. We should also build a temple for Grassley for his great service to immigrants.

I don’t know much about all this but here is the way I see things. With Grassley - 'what you see is what you get'. Same is with NumbersUSA, FAIR and other people like them. We all know where they stand and there is no two ways to their position. Another important thing to note is, Grassley did not oppose any part of per-country limit bill. Meaning, he supports removing per-country limits. Same is the case with NumbersUSA, FAIR and other such groups. Have you seen NumbersUSA, FAIR etc write anything to oppose HR3012? No, I've not seen any opposition from these groups for removing per-country limits. The point is, with these groups ' what you see is what you get'.

Let’s talk about Senator Grassley. He came down from 50 page original Durbin-Grassley bill to a 4 page amendment (what I saw on another forum). From original amendment, he gave up around 90% ground to find a compromise. Let me ask you this, if you were negotiating, would you give up 90% on your position, ever? Maybe you will, but how many times? And while no one here is asking to make a temple for Grassley, there is a need to commend his willingness to do something to improve upon the current system. Everyone acknowledges that there is a problem with H1 system. Grassley have been trying to push for his bill since 2007. But outsourcing companies will not let Grassley bill come up for vote. If you were in his position, will you not want to put in your amendment on the first high-skilled immigration bill in last 10 years?

In any political give and take, those who give up most ground to find a compromise, because they want to see things progress, those people ought to be commended. If your question is - why are people like me Thanking Grassley? The answer is – because he gave up most ground on his position and it appears that he listened to people who explained the merits of HR3012. In the current political environment, this is not an easy thing to do, which is why people are Thanking him for his willingness to give up ground to improve the system.

Let’s look at the people opposing Grassley amendment. Somehow these are mostly lawyers and probably outsourcing companies (although I’ve no proof). A few days back on this forum I saw Greg Siskind posting against Grassley amendment. Now I read the FAQ released by IV and it’s not bad at all. Some of the other lawyers are still engaged in fear mongering. But when they are engaged in trashing this amendment, they are not listing the benefits of removing per-country limit. They are not saying that as the result of HR3012, backlog wait time will reduce from 70 years to 7-8 years, equally distributing the pain across the board, which is a fair system. No lawyer is point out the benefits of removing per-country limit when beating down on Grassley amendment. Which is why I find these people as ‘wolf in sheep skin’. Every bill is a compromise. Those people who do not want to let anything happen, unless they some how benefit, these people will always find reasons not to compromise.

If I’ve to pick sides, I will commend honest and upfront people, even when I’ve difference of opinion with them; and I refuse to subscribe to the opinion of ‘wolf in sheep skin’ because they are not honest.

Now back to AI for the day.

[nosightofgc]

I don’t know much about all this but here is the way I see things. With Grassley - 'what you see is what you get'. Same is with NumbersUSA, FAIR and other people like them. We all know where they stand and there is no two ways to their position. Another important thing to note is, Grassley did not oppose any part of per-country limit bill. Meaning, he supports removing per-country limits. Same is the case with NumbersUSA, FAIR and other such groups. Have you seen NumbersUSA, FAIR etc write anything to oppose HR3012? No, I've not seen any opposition from these groups for removing per-country limits. The point is, with these groups ' what you see is what you get'.

Let’s talk about Senator Grassley. He came down from 50 page original Durbin-Grassley bill to a 4 page amendment (what I saw on another forum). From original amendment, he gave up around 90% ground to find a compromise. Let me ask you this, if you were negotiating, would you give up 90% on your position, ever? Maybe you will, but how many times? And while no one here is asking to make a temple for Grassley, there is a need to commend his willingness to do something to improve upon the current system. Everyone acknowledges that there is a problem with H1 system. Grassley have been trying to push for his bill since 2007. But outsourcing companies will not let Grassley bill come up for vote. If you were in his position, will you not want to put in your amendment on the first high-skilled immigration bill in last 10 years?

In any political give and take, those who give up most ground to find a compromise, because they want to see things progress, those people ought to be commended. If your question is - why are people like me Thanking Grassley? The answer is – because he gave up most ground on his position and it appears that he listened to people who explained the merits of HR3012. In the current political environment, this is not an easy thing to do, which is why people are Thanking him for his willingness to give up ground to improve the system.

Let’s look at the people opposing Grassley amendment. Somehow these are mostly lawyers and probably outsourcing companies (although I’ve no proof). A few days back on this forum I saw Greg Siskind posting against Grassley amendment. Now I read the FAQ released by IV and it’s not bad at all. Some of the other lawyers are still engaged in fear mongering. But when they are engaged in trashing this amendment, they are not listing the benefits of removing per-country limit. They are not saying that as the result of HR3012, backlog wait time will reduce from 70 years to 7-8 years, equally distributing the pain across the board, which is a fair system. No lawyer is point out the benefits of removing per-country limit when beating down on Grassley amendment. Which is why I find these people as ‘wolf in sheep skin’. Every bill is a compromise. Those people who do not want to let anything happen, unless they some how benefit, these people will always find reasons not to compromise.

If I’ve to pick sides, I will commend honest and upfront people, even when I’ve difference of opinion with them; and I refuse to subscribe to the opinion of ‘wolf in sheep skin’ because they are not honest.

Now back to AI for the day.

A lot of wisdom comes with greyhair ;-). Just kidding.

[ascetic]

Let’s look at the people opposing Grassley amendment. Somehow these are mostly lawyers and probably outsourcing companies (although I’ve no proof). A few days back on this forum I saw Greg Siskind posting against Grassley amendment.

Some of the lawyers associated with multinational companies, I've heard from, have noted that AILA is worried that the labor itself will not clear for numerous iffy contracting companies. Even before it clears, they assume that with queries and such that they will have to answer to DoL, the H1B cap would had been reached. They cannot further profit any further because a labor denial is beyond judicial purview. This they think will affect close to 35% of their earnings if not more. Hey, when you work for a bad apple you will also get the worm.

[greyhair]

Some of the lawyers associated with multinational companies, I've heard from, have noted that AILA is worried that the labor itself will not clear for numerous iffy contracting companies. Even before it clears, they assume that with queries and such that they will have to answer to DoL, the H1B cap would had been reached. They cannot further profit any further because a labor denial is beyond judicial purview. This they think will affect close to 35% of their earnings if not more. Hey, when you work for a bad apple you will also get the worm.


No matter what, at the end of every year we will see all 65,000 H1s finish in the first few months, with or without the Grassley amendment. So immigration lawyers will make money either way because the more number of H1s will be filed and same number will get approved.The difference is, in larger numbers H1s will now be approved for deserving applicants/companies instead of consulting companies who are gaming the system. If AILA is worried then my guess is that they are more worried about people in backlogs getting green cards, because backlog is a cash cow, than having to work adequately for getting H1s approved.

I again read the IV FAQ and then read through parts of INA. It seems that in the current LCA application process, DOL is only allowed to check for "completeness" i.e. all the fields are completed and check boxes marked, meaning not for fraud or misrepresentation.

Is it not ironic that AILA that claims to represent immigrants is siding with consulting companies over immigrants?

[mechanical13]

greyhair,

nobody disputes ---- self respect stop praising this amendment and Grassley !


gfor_gc The amendment is intended to reduce fraud, and I don't think anyone will argue that there is some level of fraud within the H1B system, and that such fraud affects everyone.

Many IV members work for consulting companies, and nobody is stating that all consulting companies are fraud. SO....please stop diverting the topic, and causing rifts within the EB community. Now is not the time to argue for/against consulting companies.

Please continue to do the action items, and if possible, recruit others to perform the action items. Your consideration would be greatly appreciated.

[greyhair]

I read Grassley's original statement and he said that he "needs to looked at exact percentages" which doesn't translate into opposition. And after "looking" at the bill he decided to support it. What more do you expect/want?

No one is glorifying anyone. But one needs to commend him for agreeing to the bill. Or do you want others to agree with you and not care to say 'Thank You'? I don't think that saying 'Thank you' to a sitting Senator implies 'glorifying'. And because on the subject of immigration, people tend to see everything as white or black, positive or negative, you seem to categorize Grassley amendment as negative. We clearly have a difference of opinion, which is fine. But I think Grassley amendment is good thing. Just because there will be more audits, it doesn't mean it's bad. What about immigrants stuck in the backlogs being exploited by employers? Now those employers will be scared of audits and that will leave less room for exploitation, wouldn't it?

Grassley needs to be praised and we need to tell him 'Thank you'. That puts more human touch to who we all are. We have to treat each other with respect, especially when we disagree, and, more so when the Senator agreed to not change the underline bill as he must have had to give up ground to agree to this position. Starting with a position of mistrust, in the face of agreement, makes us look unreasonable. DallasBlue is just member. You cannot equate DallasBlue with Senator Grassley, its not reasonable.

Grassley had put the hold on our bill because industry for long time prevented his Durbin-Grassley bill. It was his turn, and any reasonable person would do the same. My guess is, you and I will do the same if we were in his shoe. NUSA has its position but that doesn't mean every Senator has to say/do things that NUSA tells them. Every Senator has their independent mind and that is why there are 100 of them.

I believe that given the situation, expression of appreciation for Senator Grassley makes us look like mature humans, and, if cannot 'Thank' someone who gave up ground to agree with us then it would rather make us look like bunch of 'immature thankless spoil rich kids'. No one loses self respect by saying 'Thanks' to someone else. Rather expressing appreciation elevates the level of future commitment. That's all.






greyhair,

nobody disputes that what we have is a compromise. I think IV has reached a reasonable deal with Sen Grassley in the given situation. I will have to correct your understanding regarding Grassley's original amendment. His original amendment had statements opposing the country cap removal as proposed in HR 3012.

IV might have reached a practical deal with Grassley for HR 3012. But that is no reason to glorify him or branding companies/people opposing the amendment as corrupt or as those with something to hide. I myself won't be affected by Grassley's amendment. However as a member of immigrant community, I will despise an anti-immigrant senator messing with our bill.

Some of the members like DallasBlue has a history of opposing consulting companies since he doesn't work for one. For long he "believes" consulting companies are not eligible for H1B visas. Ask him which law says that, he has no clue.

Many people go to the extend of praising Grassley which is quite shameful for any self respecting individual to do.

I am not sure how many of you watched Grassley for his anti-immigrant stand including opposing recent OPT extensions for foreign students.

It should also be noted that Grassley put a hold on our bill even when formal anti-immigrant groups like NUSA gave a straight OK for our bill from the beginning.

If you have self respect stop praising this amendment and Grassley !

[snthampi]

What you could do if Grassely said "screw you all, I am not lifting the hold"? So, you should appreciate for him compromise. His job is to do everything to protect his constituents, not us the immigrants. So, stop expecting him to support us. If at all he does, even for his own benefit, we have to appreciate him.

There is a lot of fraud in the system. I have met a lot of people came here on H1 who doesn't deserve a H1. This was possible only through fraud, mainly by Indian consulting companies. That said, there are some decent Indian consulting firms too, but very few.

This bill is the only chance for a lot of people to get greened, especially the ones in EB3.

By the way, if you have nothing to hide, why are you worried about Grassely's amendments?

greyhair,

nobody disputes that what we have is a compromise. I think IV has reached a reasonable deal with Sen Grassley in the given situation. I will have to correct your understanding regarding Grassley's original amendment. His original amendment had statements opposing the country cap removal as proposed in HR 3012.

IV might have reached a practical deal with Grassley for HR 3012. But that is no reason to glorify him or branding companies/people opposing the amendment as corrupt or as those with something to hide. I myself won't be affected by Grassley's amendment. However as a member of immigrant community, I will despise an anti-immigrant senator messing with our bill.

Some of the members like DallasBlue has a history of opposing consulting companies since he doesn't work for one. For long he "believes" consulting companies are not eligible for H1B visas. Ask him which law says that, he has no clue.

Many people go to the extend of praising Grassley which is quite shameful for any self respecting individual to do.

I am not sure how many of you watched Grassley for his anti-immigrant stand including opposing recent OPT extensions for foreign students.

It should also be noted that Grassley put a hold on our bill even when formal anti-immigrant groups like NUSA gave a straight OK for our bill from the beginning.

If you have self respect stop praising this amendment and Grassley !

[looivy]

What you could do if Grassely said "screw you all, I am not lifting the hold"? So, you should appreciate for him compromise. His job is to do everything to protect his constituents, not us the immigrants. So, stop expecting him to support us. If at all he does, even for his own benefit, we have to appreciate him.

There is a lot of fraud in the system. I have met a lot of people came here on H1 who doesn't deserve a H1. This was possible only through fraud, mainly by Indian consulting companies. That said, there are some decent Indian consulting firms too, but very few.

This bill is the only chance for a lot of people to get greened, especially the ones in EB3.

By the way, if you have nothing to hide, why are you worried about Grassely's amendments?

Let me share another perspective. Grassley will get his h1 fraud protection passed anyways because the time is ripe to tap into voters emotion now than before with durbin-grassley bill. It is better that it gets passed as a part of HR3012. It bodes well for HR3012.

I WOULD THINK AND LABEL HR3012 AS FAIRNESS AND FRAUD PROTECTION BILL.

Each one of us is better off following IV's action items in the interest of time.

[chyoji]

Guys..Did you read this one


Unconfirmed Rumor of Additional Holds on H.R. 3012 Other Than Sen. Grassley's

There is a rumor of other holds on H.R. 3012 by some Senators other than Sen. Grassley's. If this information is confirmed, these holds will have to be lifted first before H.R. 3012 can be taken up on the Senate floor as otherwise these Senators can filibuster against the bill.

Guys..Did you read this one

[DallasBlue]

"DallasBlue has a history of opposing consulting companies since he doesn't work for one. For long he "believes" consulting companies are not eligible for H1B visas. Ask him which law says that, he has no clue."

not true statement sir.

what ever is posted by me are not my statements.

Collecting research,articles and valid arguments posted in this thread above by many and building up a pro argument template for HR3012.

Please feel free to correct , suggest changes and build up on it.

Contribute :
http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44

http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=61557191

write to senate / senate commitee / majority leaders in senate to pass the bill.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm


Visa Backlog Creates Brain Drain

http://www.kauffman.org/uploadedFile...ain_101807.pdf


Just over 52% of start-up companies there had immigrant founders, with the highest proportion from India, followed by China and Taiwan.

archive.sba.gov/advo/research/rs334tot.pdf

http://www.kauffman.org/entrepreneur...epreneurs.aspx

http://www.inc.com/articles/201110/w...-be-asian.html

http://www.democracyjournal.org/21/o...e.php?page=all




with so much push from all sides for the passage of HR3012, it is just a matter of time that all the parties set aside their interests and rise above and support HR3012 and donate to IV.

Universities support HR3012:
http://www.renewoureconomy.org/sites...ity-letter.pdf

Businesses support HR3012:
http://www.technet.org/wp-content/up...UN-27-2012.pdf


Quote:
Originally Posted by DallasBlue
with an amendment,Senator Grassley fixes H1-B imprecise rules and makes HR3012 bill even better.

The less than perfect (imperfect) H1-B laws(rules) are gamed and worked out to stretch their profits by the placement firms and in the way exploit the gullible foreign workers and bring down the wages. With his amendment senator fixes the system.



Quote:


Technically, HR3012 will not increase the number of visas already granted by the Congress - it'll remain at 140k.
• HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
• will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
• will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bolster the housing loans and banks here)
• will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now renewing EAD every year, they will buy those cars that they are putting off , buy those gadgets, equipment, tools etc. improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
• will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
• will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
• will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy

HR3012 serves national interest


H.R.3012 does not impact the "american tech worker". If the issue is about more number of tech workers coming in here to USA HR3012 doesn’t increase the visa numbers. This bill is removing the country caps. When a professional is hired one is not hired on the basis of nationality but only on the basis of the skills. The current wait times for India and china are like 50 years which is totally unreasonable. Tech workers are not impacted with or without H.R.3012 because all these people will remain here in US and are working here on AOS status (adjustment of status/Employment Authorization) and eventually be American tech worker in a matter of 5 years or 50 years.


"Some have argued that providing green cards to highly skilled foreign nationals harms the job prospects of
Americans. However, that argument ignores that skilled scientists, researchers and professionals help create
more jobs and innovations. Moreover, such individuals are hired as part of the normal recruitment process,
complementing, not replacing, Americans. Another argument made is that the green card problem is not dire,
since many foreign nationals stay in the United States years after receiving a Ph.D. But foreign nationals with
Ph.D.s are more likely to work in academia and represent only about 13 percent of H-1B visa holders annually.
The 5-year stay rate for Indians earning Ph.D.s at U.S. universities in science and engineering declined from 89
percent for those who received a doctorate in the year 2000, to 79 percent for Indian recipients of Ph.D.s in 2004.
Even if Ph.D.s from India and China were staying in the U.S. at the same rate as before it would not be relevant to
the green card problems experienced by foreign nationals at the masters and undergraduate levels."


Also, against 'immigrant exploitation', there are a lot of labor laws and worker safety laws that safeguard not only the immigrant workers but all the American tech and non tech workers.

Also apart from the above,


"employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries" - That is what is called Diversity- I humbly disagree- That is not what it was created for.


For that we have diversity visa. which gives equal opportunity for jobs from all countries, irrespective of their education or skill - oversubscribed countries are barred... those exceeding 7% for that year....so While Indians are barred from applying under Diversity- SriLankans and Nepalese are not.

For "diversity" Skill-based-immigrants are already being excluded from the "Diversity Visa". Why this double whammy? And, are there any country quotas in the diversity visa? Quite illogical

We are fighting a notion that "countries" are getting the benefit by sending its citizens here. In inida and china ther competition is fierce and only the best gets the chance to come US. How about the notion of a fair and just immigration system that doesn't discriminate based on national origin.
"Countries" are abstract. Individuals have life, feelings, etc. How to make ploicy/law maker and everyone understand?


• Every skilled immigrant saves money. The longer you are here the more money you save. By giving a person who stayed here longest a chance to file green card he can use his savings as investment in US. US needs investments in this economic times, win-win.

• If a person after working 15 years (60 credits) goes back then US would pay Social Security to that person after he retires. US Social Security goes outside as long as that person lives.

• Since 2001 US is granting 65000+ non immmigrant visas for skilled and high skilled applicants which indicates that there is a potential demand sine 2001.

• When employement visa is applied there is no country specific quota and it is first come first served basis along with other conditions. (Qualification, job demand etc.). Hence it is not based on DIVERSITY and dosent count spouses and childern.

• Only people who come in scarced Employment category can apply for GC. Hence it should not be based on DIVERSITY.

• Every year 140000 GC’s are allowed. So even if all the 65000+ apply there should not be any backlog.

• By putting a country limit in GC, an artificial queue is created. This creates as a pool of qualified, bonded, desperate labor force working for the betterment of US.

• HR3012 bill will remove the block/backlog and will make the system function correctly.


refrences:

http://www.nfap.com/pdf/NFAPPolicyBr...g.June2012.pdf
http://competeamerica.org/sites/defa...11%20FINAL.pdf


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write to senate / senate commitee / majority leaders in senate to pass the bill.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

[imh1b]

Guys..Did you read this one


Unconfirmed Rumor of Additional Holds on H.R. 3012 Other Than Sen. Grassley's

There is a rumor of other holds on H.R. 3012 by some Senators other than Sen. Grassley's. If this information is confirmed, these holds will have to be lifted first before H.R. 3012 can be taken up on the Senate floor as otherwise these Senators can filibuster against the bill.

Guys..Did you read this one

This is old news now. No need to be getting scared.

[neelu8]

Guys..Did you read this one


Unconfirmed Rumor of Additional Holds on H.R. 3012 Other Than Sen. Grassley's

There is a rumor of other holds on H.R. 3012 by some Senators other than Sen. Grassley's. If this information is confirmed, these holds will have to be lifted first before H.R. 3012 can be taken up on the Senate floor as otherwise these Senators can filibuster against the bill.

Guys..Did you read this one

There is a separate thread with Admin2's comments on this matter which you might find useful.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/3074226-two-more-holds-on-hr3012.html#post3535955

[ascetic]

Guys..Did you read this one
Unconfirmed Rumor of Additional Holds on H.R. 3012 Other Than Sen. Grassley's
There is a rumor of other holds on H.R. 3012 by some Senators other than Sen. Grassley's. If this information is confirmed, these holds will have to be lifted first before H.R. 3012 can be taken up on the Senate floor as otherwise these Senators can filibuster against the bill.
Guys..Did you read this one

Are you even reading the threads in this forum properly? There is a thread dealing with that, http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/3074226-two-more-holds-on-hr3012.html#post3535955 . All that you had to do was type immigration voice.com and look at the recent threads. Goodness gracious you did not come up with a link to the visa bulletin.

[DallasBlue]

High-Skilled Immigration Restrictions Are Economically Senseless
+ Comment now


Employer discrimination based on national origin has been illegal in the United States since the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, yet American immigration law has continued to discriminate in that exact manner. If the government insists on restricting foreign workers’ access to U.S. markets, it should do so on the basis of merit, not nationality. Last week, Senators Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Charles Schumer (D-NY) took an important step toward that goal, but it is a flawed one.


H1-B Visa Quotas Greatly Restrain Small Business Expansion
Capital Flows
Contributor
The Senators struck a deal to allow the Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act (H.R. 3012) to move forward in the Senate. The bill would allocate employment-based green cards irrespective of national origin by eliminating country-specific limitations. Current law limits any particular country to 7 percent of the 140,000 employment-based green cards issued each year. This has resulted in extremely long waiting periods for workers from large countries like India and China that often extend for years, and even decades.

This discrimination is economically senseless and unjust, and Congress has finally realized it. Unfortunately, Sen. Grassley, who had placed a “hold” on the bill, decided to allow it to move forward not for noble reasons, but rather because Sen. Schumer, Chairman of the Immigration Subcommittee, signed on to an “agreement to include provisions that give greater authority to program overseers to investigate visa fraud and abuse.” This would expand the Department of Labor’s (DOL) powers to harass businesses that employ highly skilled immigrants.

Grassley’s amendments would give DOL “overseers” broad discretion to delay and audit applications for H-1B visas for temporary highly skilled workers. Current law allows the DOL to audit applications, which are submitted by employers, only after a visa has been issued and a complaint alleging visa fraud has been filed. The Grassley amendments’ overly broad and vague language would allow DOL officials to delay and block valid visa applications that would currently gain approval. All they would need is to allege “clear indicators of fraud or misrepresentation of material fact.”

Since the legislation provides no guidance on what these “indicators” should be, Labor officials would essentially have free rein to hold up any application at their discretion. Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) already considers being a small business—defined as having “less than 25 employees” or a “gross annual income less than $10 million”—as basis to suspect fraud, a conclusion based on the fact that large employers can afford better labor consultants to assure fewer mistakes on applications. Employers would also have no right to challenge such spurious audits in court.

Delays like these cost both money and time. This includes time needed to fill out an application, which by delaying applications past the deadline could turn this audit power into a de facto rejection power. That is especially likely as the 60-day limit for complaint-driven audits would not apply to these new investigations. On top of these, the Grassley amendments authorize annual compliance audits for any H-1B employer without any indication of fraud.

CIS administrative procedures already place considerable burdens on businesses, most notably through a huge increase in the number of “Requests for Evidence” on visa applications. These can delay applications for months. From 2008 to 2011, Requests for Evidence for high skilled visas—L-1B, H-1B, and O-1As—increased by 24 percent, 8 percent, and 14 percent, respectively. In the same period, H-1B rejections have increased from 11 percent in 2007 to between 17 and 29 percent under President Obama.

“We must bow to the genius of all, whatever group of mankind they may represent,” wrote Anthropologist Franz Boas a century ago, “as all have worked together in the development of the civilizations.” Boas was defending non-Western European immigrants against racist arguments for their exclusion. While he lost his fight in 1924, Congress now seems ready to end such discrimination, but it should focus on that goal, not on more regulation, so America can finally have an immigration law that acknowledges “the genius of all, whatever group of mankind they may represent.”

David Bier is an immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a free-market think tank in Washington, D.C.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/07/22/high-skilled-immigration-restrictions-are-economically-senseless/


Should we send out the grassley ammendment faq to this author ?

[tracka]

High-Skilled Immigration Restrictions Are Economically Senseless
+ Comment now


Employer discrimination based on national origin has been illegal in the United States since the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, yet American immigration law has continued to discriminate in that exact manner. If the government insists on restricting foreign workers’ access to U.S. markets, it should do so on the basis of merit, not nationality. Last week, Senators Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Charles Schumer (D-NY) took an important step toward that goal, but it is a flawed one.


H1-B Visa Quotas Greatly Restrain Small Business Expansion
Capital Flows
Contributor
The Senators struck a deal to allow the Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act (H.R. 3012) to move forward in the Senate. The bill would allocate employment-based green cards irrespective of national origin by eliminating country-specific limitations. Current law limits any particular country to 7 percent of the 140,000 employment-based green cards issued each year. This has resulted in extremely long waiting periods for workers from large countries like India and China that often extend for years, and even decades.

This discrimination is economically senseless and unjust, and Congress has finally realized it. Unfortunately, Sen. Grassley, who had placed a “hold” on the bill, decided to allow it to move forward not for noble reasons, but rather because Sen. Schumer, Chairman of the Immigration Subcommittee, signed on to an “agreement to include provisions that give greater authority to program overseers to investigate visa fraud and abuse.” This would expand the Department of Labor’s (DOL) powers to harass businesses that employ highly skilled immigrants.

Grassley’s amendments would give DOL “overseers” broad discretion to delay and audit applications for H-1B visas for temporary highly skilled workers. Current law allows the DOL to audit applications, which are submitted by employers, only after a visa has been issued and a complaint alleging visa fraud has been filed. The Grassley amendments’ overly broad and vague language would allow DOL officials to delay and block valid visa applications that would currently gain approval. All they would need is to allege “clear indicators of fraud or misrepresentation of material fact.”

Since the legislation provides no guidance on what these “indicators” should be, Labor officials would essentially have free rein to hold up any application at their discretion. Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) already considers being a small business—defined as having “less than 25 employees” or a “gross annual income less than $10 million”—as basis to suspect fraud, a conclusion based on the fact that large employers can afford better labor consultants to assure fewer mistakes on applications. Employers would also have no right to challenge such spurious audits in court.

Delays like these cost both money and time. This includes time needed to fill out an application, which by delaying applications past the deadline could turn this audit power into a de facto rejection power. That is especially likely as the 60-day limit for complaint-driven audits would not apply to these new investigations. On top of these, the Grassley amendments authorize annual compliance audits for any H-1B employer without any indication of fraud.

CIS administrative procedures already place considerable burdens on businesses, most notably through a huge increase in the number of “Requests for Evidence” on visa applications. These can delay applications for months. From 2008 to 2011, Requests for Evidence for high skilled visas—L-1B, H-1B, and O-1As—increased by 24 percent, 8 percent, and 14 percent, respectively. In the same period, H-1B rejections have increased from 11 percent in 2007 to between 17 and 29 percent under President Obama.

“We must bow to the genius of all, whatever group of mankind they may represent,” wrote Anthropologist Franz Boas a century ago, “as all have worked together in the development of the civilizations.” Boas was defending non-Western European immigrants against racist arguments for their exclusion. While he lost his fight in 1924, Congress now seems ready to end such discrimination, but it should focus on that goal, not on more regulation, so America can finally have an immigration law that acknowledges “the genius of all, whatever group of mankind they may represent.”

David Bier is an immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a free-market think tank in Washington, D.C.


High-Skilled Immigration Restrictions Are Economically Senseless - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/07/22/high-skilled-immigration-restrictions-are-economically-senseless/)


Should we send out the grassley ammendment faq to this author ?

Guys, Getting nervous as the legislative days pass by, Any update on whether it will be taken up by senate?

[pappu]

Guys, Getting nervous as the legislative days pass by, Any update on whether it will be taken up by senate?

Please confirm having done action item #1 and #2. #1 should have been done in the last 12 days. If you have not signed up for recurring contribution, please do so urgently. It is super critical for our efforts to invest our resources in getting the bill passed. We spend thousands in fees and renewals and compared to that, $25/month is a very small amount each month for the kind of benefit each one of us will get if the bill is passed. Action #2 needs to be religiously done everyday. It only Takes 30 seconds.

[john-mac]

Contribution $25.00 USD for each month, for 6 installments

[amulchandra]

Done AI

[prabcpa]

Please confirm having done action item #1 and #2. #1 should have been done in the last 12 days. If you have not signed up for recurring contribution, please do so urgently. It is super critical for our efforts to invest our resources in getting the bill passed. We spend thousands in fees and renewals and compared to that, $25/month is a very small amount each month for the kind of benefit each one of us will get if the bill is passed. Action #2 needs to be religiously done everyday. It only Takes 30 seconds.

Do we need to follow acition item, even when we receive the response from Senetors.

[Suva]

Yes do this everyday.

Do we need to follow acition item, even when we receive the response from Senetors.

[DallasBlue]

If you work or worked, have contacts in any of the companies below contact the govt-affairs/ HR/Manager to support spurring the economy and innovation and stop the H1B fraud and bring fairness to the system By supporting HR3012

Source : http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00001758&type=I&newmem =N


Aetna Inc
Amazon.com
American Assn/Oral & Maxillofacial Surg
American Health Care Assn
American Hospital Assn
American Optometric Assn
American Physical Therapy Assn
American Podiatric Medical Assn
American Seniors Housing Assn
AmericanExpress
Amgen Inc
AMR Corp
AT&T Inc
AutoZone Inc
Baker Botts LLP
Baker, Donelson et al
Bass Brothers Enterprises
Bergman, Draper & Frockt
Berkshire Hathaway
Blackstone Group
Blank Rome LLP
Blue Cross/Blue Shield
Blue Cross/Blue Shield
Bluegrass Cmte
Boeing Co
Bracewell & Giuliani
Cardinal Health
Carnival Corp
CC Media Holdings
Centex Corp
Citigroup Inc
CME Group
Community Health Systems
Contran Corp
Cooper Industries
Corboy & Demetrio
Corrections Corp of America
Covington & Burling
CSX Corp
Denny Miller Assoc
Eastman Chemical
EMILY's List
Exxon Mobil
Federation of American Hospitals
FedEx Corp
FinancialServices Roundtable
GlaxoSmithKline
Google Inc
Haynes & Boone
HBK Capital Management
Hercules Holding
HJ Heinz Co
Ingram Industries
Jones Management Services
JPMorgan Chase & Co
K&L Gates
Kasowitz, Benson et al
Kirkland & Ellis
KKR & Co
L&F Distributors
League of Conservation Voters
Leon Medical Centers
Life Technologies Corp
LifePoint Hospitals
Locke Lord Bissell & Liddell LLP
Lockheed Martin
MacAndrews & Forbes
Mach Industrial Group
Madison Dearborn Partners
Major League Baseball Commissioner's Ofc
Marwood Group
Mayer Brown LLP
McBee Strategic Consulting
McKesson Corp
McKool Smith PC
McKool SmithPC
Mednax Inc
Metlife Inc
Microsoft Corp
Microsoft Corp
Motorola Solutions
Moveon.org
National Assn of Home Builders
National Assn of Realtors
New York Life Insurance
NextEra Energy
Northwestern Mutual
O'Melveny & Myers
Paul, Weiss et al
Perkins Coie
Physician Hospitals of America
Pilot Corp
Praxair Inc
Property Casualty Insurers Assn/America
Psychiatric Solutions
Puget Holding Co
Raytheon Co
Regions Financial
Renco Group
Renew America PAC
Second Avenue Partners
Sidley Austin LLP
Silver Eagle Distributors
Simmons Cooper LLC
Southeast Financial Group
State of Illinois
State of Tennessee
State of Texas
State of Washington
Strategies 360
Tacala LLC
Taco Bell
TACO PAC
Thornton & Naumes
UBS AG
United Continental Holdings
University of Chicago
University of Washington
US Oncology
USAA
UST Inc
Valero Energy
Vanderbilt University
Vanguard Health Systems
Verizon Communications
Vern Clark & Assoc
Waller, Lansden et al
Wells Real EstateFunds
Weyerhaeuser Co
William Blair & Co
Williams & Jensen
Wine & Spirits Wholesalers of America
Winston & Strawn
Zachry Construction
__________________

[DallasBlue]

If you (including attorney's/lawyer's) are a looking for perfection. There isnt anything that is perfect.

Together we can make it to better


put your country , EB category and own interests aside and rise above , for IV's mission is broad and first goal is to remove discriminatory country caps. Join IV now and make IV strong political force to work on your future issues for there is no other organisation which will support you in fighting your future issues.

If you are not supporting IV now or not supporting HR3012 now , you are not supporting your own future supporter.

http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44

http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=61557191

[zmbharmal]

So, I finally did the Desi Community OutReach at the local adjacent Park on 17th July in Dallas, Texas. Though it is called Jefferson Park, in the Desi community it is referred to as "Gandhi" Park.
Am sharing this info so that all of us can do this in your local park if you do have a large Indian community out there or in your home if you can gather 20 people.

I just gathered people and said that I was going to talk about the long wait for Green Card and if you are born in India, you are pretty much hosed. I did not use the word screwed. I explained the numbers, waiting time, the quota and why the current system is discriminatory.

=> The number of people that actively listened was about 40.
=> Number of fliers distributed 320 (four times 80).
=> Number of people out there in the park must have been about 150 including many Seniors on tourist visa ( When I see someone's parents in Jefferson Park, most likely, it must be time for baby due :-) )

Things done:
1) Had four fliers and I am glad I chose different colored paper for each. It cose only one cent extra per copy to choose Yellow and Orange papers but it made tons of a difeerence while distributing. It was so easy to see the colors.
2) Had three other friends come to the park to help distribute the flier
3) Did not make a whole set of four fliers. Instead asked my friends to go and distribute each one seprately so that we get more interaction with the public.

Tips:
Please try to have some microphone and loudspeaker.
If the park has wind blowing, then it will be hard to remain audible
Have some DC attendees of your city to help you out.
I had smaller group conversations after my main speech.

This was an attempt to reach out to the grass root level. Please do the same in your city.

[pappu]

So, I finally did the Desi Community OutReach at the local adjacent Park on 17th July in Dallas, Texas. Though it is called Jefferson Park, in the Desi community it is referred to as "Gandhi" Park.
Am sharing this info so that all of us can do this in your local park if you do have a large Indian community out there or in your home if you can gather 20 people.

I just gathered people and said that I was going to talk about the long wait for Green Card and if you are born in India, you are pretty much hosed. I did not use the word screwed. I explained the numbers, waiting time, the quota and why the current system is discriminatory.

=> The number of people that actively listened was about 40.
=> Number of fliers distributed 320 (four times 80).
=> Number of people out there in the park must have been about 150 including many Seniors on tourist visa ( When I see someone's parents in Jefferson Park, most likely, it must be time for baby due :-) )

Things done:
1) Had four fliers and I am glad I chose different colored paper for each. It cose only one cent extra per copy to choose Yellow and Orange papers but it made tons of a difeerence while distributing. It was so easy to see the colors.
2) Had three other friends come to the park to help distribute the flier
3) Did not make a whole set of four fliers. Instead asked my friends to go and distribute each one seprately so that we get more interaction with the public.

Tips:
Please try to have some microphone and loudspeaker.
If the park has wind blowing, then it will be hard to remain audible
Have some DC attendees of your city to help you out.
I had smaller group conversations after my main speech.

This was an attempt to reach out to the grass root level. Please do the same in your city.
Thank you very much for your efforts. With more people taking initiatives like yourself, the is no doubt in my mind that this bill will pass.

[Suva]

Good article by Vivek Wadhwa

Fear, anger and America’s real immigration problem - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-innovations/fear-anger-and-americas-real-immigration-problem/2012/07/30/gJQAVOOZKX_story_1.html)

[DallasBlue]

We all know that money talks. If anybody feels that not enough is being done and want to contribute, I have an idea. We can check up the donor's list for both Obama and Romney and see if your company or any of your friend's company is in the list. I know it is not easy, but then we can try to contact our company representitives and talk to them to send a letter to Obama, Romney etc. in support of HR3012. We can try the same thing with Senator Grassley as well. If anybody is working in WellsFargo or Blue Cross blue shield, they can try to figure out whom to contact and ask a letter/e-mail in support of HR 3012.

I don't think this will harm our cause in any way, and we only need to put some more effort towards getting such a letter/e-mail and can benefit the cause greatly.

Obama's top contributors:
Top Contributors to Barack Obama | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638)

Romney's top contributors:
Top Contributors to Mitt Romney | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00000286)

Presidential candidate finance's can be found under:
Presidential Campaign Finance (http://www.fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.do)

We can actually export the data and process it. Also the data is searchable.

figure out the companies that support your senator and ask that company's HR/govt affairs dept to write a letter in support of HR3012.

[waitingnwaiting]

Let us dig all those people on the thread who used to complain nothing is happening. Those folks have now suddenly disappeared. Let us ask them if they are coming to the rally. Someone will check if they RSVPed.

[waitingnwaiting]

It may be good idea to start a Flower Campaign for Pres and all three key senators.

Are you coming for the rally?

[waitingnwaiting]

It was supposed to be the best new years gift
then some one said it will be best valentine's day gift
and then it will be signed by St. Patrick's Day . . .
What next
April Fool's Day . . . .
or more realistic
the July 4th to get liberated . . . .

Are you coming for the rally?

[waitingnwaiting]

Reality is, nobody knows what is happening with this bill except IV core. If it is a bill that needs to pass, it will pass. We have done our little part. I am sure IV won't drop the bill so easily after spending enormous effort ( money, lobbying and time) on the bill.

Let us pray and hope for the best.

Are you coming for the rally?

[gujju]

Hope all the Guests and Members watching this thread are coming to the rally.There is no option if we want our greeen cards quicker.United and with a strong presence on September 8th we will make a huge difference.Common guys if one of you come remember you will motivate 10 more people to come , all your friends and relatives in CA would also be motivated to come.
Lets make this a success.

GO IV GO.

[mantagon]

...we are our biggest motivators!

Folks who are going to the rally, like yours truly, can only do so much to motivate the fence-sitters...
It all boils down to one and only one thing...are you being true & honest to yourself?

If yes, then I'm positive that you will do whatever it takes to be in San Jose on Sep 8!

If no, then I'm all the more positive that you will find enough reasons not to be a part of this struggle for fairness, which by the way will ultimately benefit YOU!

So, please, ask yourself this question and decide for yourself...I sincerely hope your answer would be YES. Thank you all!

Let us dig all those people on the thread who used to complain nothing is happening. Those folks have now suddenly disappeared. Let us ask them if they are coming to the rally. Someone will check if they RSVPed.

[pak]

Parking Lots:
• Shopping malls, WalMart, Target, Home Depot,
• Grocery outlets
• Bus Depots
• Train stations
• Libraries
• Hotels
• Tourist hangouts
• Beaches
• Airports
• Starbucks
• Sport events, Car shows, Festivals and anywhere that is crowded.
• High school football games, little league games
• Vending machines
(* NEVER scotch tape or any tapes on car windshields)
Drive thru:
• Banks (under the tube chute)
• Fast foods (under the ordering speaker)
Indoors:
• Bulletin boards (activity centers, fitness centers, grocery outlets, Laundromats etc.)
• Dressing rooms (department stores)
• Bathrooms and port-a-potties (stalls inside door)
• Highway Rest stops
• Info racks in Welcome Centers, Hotels and Motels
• Shelves at grocery stores, pharmacies etc.
• Elevators
• Starbucks
• In the shopping carts (in the aisles, parking lot)
• Vending machines
Other methods: (optional)
• Door to door
• Senior citizen centers
• Hand out on the streets
• Stick flyers inside pre-paid envelopes
• P.O.Boxes and Mail vents (**This one is tricky as it maybe illegal in some areas – do check first)
• Share with friends and ask for help to distribute
• Call in ALL your IOU’s. Ask everyone that owes you a favour, they can help you do some flyering – give them some basic flyering info.
• I like to tell sympathetic Anti Obama people that I leave flyers around. A lot of them get curious and some tell me they want to do that too… I have recruited 18 year olds to 70 something year old’s… (from Freddie)
Last minute Option: Wad up the flyer, grab an obot by the hair, and shove it down their fucking throat. Having them read the flyer first, is also optional.

Things to bring with you while out distributing flyers:
• Rolls of scotch tape
• Other stickers (such as with Nobama or Vote McCain/Palin on it)
• stapler
• glue dots

Prepare yourself before distributing flyers
Distributing Flyers in the Community:
One of the best ways to get to know your community and the small business people, is to distribute your flyers at stores, restaurants, convenience stores, laundromats, bars, etc.
Distributing Flyers in the Streets:
One of the easiest ways to "get your feet wet" is distributing flyers at events, parades, etc., interacting with the public in a non threatening way. This is by no means easy but you know the adage, blood, sweat and tears will apply. If you are shy, there are many other ways that don’t require face to face interaction.
Do not waste your time engaging Obots. You will not get anywhere. Focus on why you are doing this
If you do it with confidence, no one will question you – normally.
Rule One: Never distribute flyers alone. Always go in pairs. This is for safety, and for practical reasons.
Rule Two: Blend in with the community in your appearance and demeanor. If the community you are targeting is a college campus, send your young, college age members, dressed accordingly. If the community is working class, don't wear a suit. Be clean, friendly, non confrontational, and smile like you're having fun!
Rule Three: Position yourself to hand out the maximum number of flyers with a minimum of disturbance. Don't block sidewalks, stay to the side. Hold the flyer out, let folks take it. NEVER press flyers on anyone. If someone doesn't want a flyer, refuses it or hands it back, no problem. Smile but don't slow down nor get in a conversation, just continue handing out flyers.
Rule Four: Repeat! Don't argue, don't discuss, don't explain and don't turn around and go back. Hand out flyers. If engaged in conversation, you can't hand out flyers
Rule Five: Know your 1st Amendment rights & exercise them. You have the right to hand out flyers on any public sidewalk, park, or right of way. You do not have to obtain any kind of permit to do so. However, you need to decide in advance, what action(s) you want to take if confronted by the police. Unless you are breaking the law, no one is going to arrest you for handing out flyers.

[srij]

...we are our biggest motivators!

Folks who are going to the rally, like yours truly, can only do so much to motivate the fence-sitters...
It all boils down to one and only one thing...are you being true & honest to yourself?

If yes, then I'm positive that you will do whatever it takes to be in San Jose on Sep 8!

If no, then I'm all the more positive that you will find enough reasons not to be a part of this struggle for fairness, which by the way will ultimately benefit YOU!

So, please, ask yourself this question and decide for yourself...I sincerely hope your answer would be YES. Thank you all!

When the August 25th rally was annonced, I myself and a friend of mine (who visits IV regularly), booked the tickets for the rally. BTW we are from NJ. When it was postponed we did to with out flinching. In the mean while I was hoping to see a lot of "we will be there" messages from all over US. Utterly disappointed but not de-motivated.

Guys do this for yourself. I am planning to preserve the pictures I have of the rally, including my pictures with placards so that, years from now, I can tell my daughter that I stood for what I believed in. That I went across the country to attend a rally. I also hope to tell her that people from all over USA made it to the rally. Come on guys, you asked for Action Items. Isn't this the best ?

[mantagon]

...is to see that about 100 people are actively viewing this thread, may be in anticipation that someone will come forward and say that they will in fact be there at the rally! Huh!

People are more interested in seeing what's brewing than being an active part of it!

Come on guys, show the courage by getting your hands dirty...

[needhelp!]

Come on guys, show the courage by getting your hands dirty...

And guaranteed you won't regret it EVER!

[Madhuri]

We will be there.

[mantagon]

Thank you!

We will be there.

[gcebanil]

can someone assist me with accomodation ??

[mantagon]

...don't forget to RSVP!! As regards to the accomodation, please see this post:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/3557542-post179.html

can someone assist me with accomodation ??

[gcebanil]

I am getting error, can you please provide me direct link ??
thanks

[sribala01]

Pappu,

Just a thought, there is a Republican & Democrats convention happening in the next few weeks. I think we should hold "NO COUNTRY QUOTAS" banner

Thanks

[mantagon]

ImmigrationVoice.org - RSVP Form - IV 'Fairness and Freedom March' on September 8th, 2012 (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80&Itemid=36)


I am getting error, can you please provide me direct link ??
thanks

[mantagon]

...assuming that you'll be the one holding it in the rally? I sincerely hope to see you there...

Pappu,

Just a thought, there is a Republican & Democrats convention happening in the next few weeks. I think we should hold "NO COUNTRY QUOTAS" banner

Thanks

[mantagon]

...we shall overcome,
we shall overcome, some day (Sep 8)
oh, deep in my heart, I do beileve...
we shall overcome some day

we'll walk hand-in-hand (San Jose Rally),
we'll walk hand-in-hand some day, we'll walk hand-in-hand some day
oh, deep in my heart, I do beileve...
we shall overcome some day

[DallasBlue]

all those who dont like H.R.3012 instead of opposing and doing nothing positive, come and support H.R.3119 in San Jose

H.R.3119
Latest Title: Protecting American Families and Businesses Act of 2011
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 10/6/2011) Cosponsors (1)
Related Bills: S.1857
Latest Major Action: 10/24/2011 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement.
SUMMARY AS OF:
10/6/2011--Introduced.
Protecting American Families and Businesses Act of 2011 - Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to: (1) eliminate the per country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, and (2) increase the per country numerical limitation for family based immigrants.

Amends the Chinese Student Protection Act of 1992 to eliminate the provision requiring the reduction of annual Chinese (PRC) immigrant visas to offset status adjustments under such Act.

Allows extensions of stay based upon a lengthy labor certification or priority adjudication for: (1) foreign students, (2) speciality occupation aliens, and (3) intracompany transfers.

Eliminates the foreign residency requirement for certain foreign students.

Provides for the recapture of unused employment-based and family-based immigrant visas.

[DallasBlue]

If you work or have worked, have contacts in any of the companies below contact the govt-affairs/ HR/Manager to support , the economic growth and innovation and stop the H1B fraud and bring fairness to the system, by having those companies write to/call senators supporting HR3012

source :
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2012&cid=N00003062&type=I&newmem=N

Southern Co
Balch & Bingham
Drummond Co
Harbert Management
Bradley, Arant et al
Vulcan Materials
Lockheed Martin
Blue Cross/Blue Shield
Jim Wilson & Assoc
Scott Bridge Co
HealthSouth Corp
Helmsing, Leach et al
Reynolds Technical Assoc
Southeast Wood Treating
Boeing Co
Hand Arendall LLC
Koch Industries
Smith's Inc
Amgen Inc
American Farm Bureau
BAE Systems
McWane Inc


If you work or worked, have contacts in any of the companies below contact the govt-affairs/ HR/Manager to support spurring the economy and innovation and stop the H1B fraud and bring fairness to the system By supporting HR3012

Source : http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00001758&type=I&newmem =N


Aetna Inc
Amazon.com
American Assn/Oral & Maxillofacial Surg
American Health Care Assn
American Hospital Assn
American Optometric Assn
American Physical Therapy Assn
American Podiatric Medical Assn
American Seniors Housing Assn
AmericanExpress
Amgen Inc
AMR Corp
AT&T Inc
AutoZone Inc
Baker Botts LLP
Baker, Donelson et al
Bass Brothers Enterprises
Bergman, Draper & Frockt
Berkshire Hathaway
Blackstone Group
Blank Rome LLP
Blue Cross/Blue Shield
Blue Cross/Blue Shield
Bluegrass Cmte
Boeing Co
Bracewell & Giuliani
Cardinal Health
Carnival Corp
CC Media Holdings
Centex Corp
Citigroup Inc
CME Group
Community Health Systems
Contran Corp
Cooper Industries
Corboy & Demetrio
Corrections Corp of America
Covington & Burling
CSX Corp
Denny Miller Assoc
Eastman Chemical
EMILY's List
Exxon Mobil
Federation of American Hospitals
FedEx Corp
FinancialServices Roundtable
GlaxoSmithKline
Google Inc
Haynes & Boone
HBK Capital Management
Hercules Holding
HJ Heinz Co
Ingram Industries
Jones Management Services
JPMorgan Chase & Co
K&L Gates
Kasowitz, Benson et al
Kirkland & Ellis
KKR & Co
L&F Distributors
League of Conservation Voters
Leon Medical Centers
Life Technologies Corp
LifePoint Hospitals
Locke Lord Bissell & Liddell LLP
Lockheed Martin
MacAndrews & Forbes
Mach Industrial Group
Madison Dearborn Partners
Major League Baseball Commissioner's Ofc
Marwood Group
Mayer Brown LLP
McBee Strategic Consulting
McKesson Corp
McKool Smith PC
McKool SmithPC
Mednax Inc
Metlife Inc
Microsoft Corp
Microsoft Corp
Motorola Solutions
Moveon.org
National Assn of Home Builders
National Assn of Realtors
New York Life Insurance
NextEra Energy
Northwestern Mutual
O'Melveny & Myers
Paul, Weiss et al
Perkins Coie
Physician Hospitals of America
Pilot Corp
Praxair Inc
Property Casualty Insurers Assn/America
Psychiatric Solutions
Puget Holding Co
Raytheon Co
Regions Financial
Renco Group
Renew America PAC
Second Avenue Partners
Sidley Austin LLP
Silver Eagle Distributors
Simmons Cooper LLC
Southeast Financial Group
State of Illinois
State of Tennessee
State of Texas
State of Washington
Strategies 360
Tacala LLC
Taco Bell
TACO PAC
Thornton & Naumes
UBS AG
United Continental Holdings
University of Chicago
University of Washington
US Oncology
USAA
UST Inc
Valero Energy
Vanderbilt University
Vanguard Health Systems
Verizon Communications
Vern Clark & Assoc
Waller, Lansden et al
Wells Real EstateFunds
Weyerhaeuser Co
William Blair & Co
Williams & Jensen
Wine & Spirits Wholesalers of America
Winston & Strawn
Zachry Construction
__________________

[DallasBlue]

Quote:
Visa Backlog Creates Brain Drain

http://www.kauffman.org/uploadedFile...ain_101807.pdf


Just over 52% of start-up companies there had immigrant founders, with the highest proportion from India, followed by China and Taiwan.

archive.sba.gov/advo/research/rs334tot.pdf

http://www.kauffman.org/entrepreneur...epreneurs.aspx

http://www.inc.com/articles/201110/w...-be-asian.html

http://www.democracyjournal.org/21/o...e.php?page=all



Universities support HR3012:
http://www.renewoureconomy.org/sites...ity-letter.pdf

Businesses support HR3012:
http://www.technet.org/wp-content/up...UN-27-2012.pdf


Quote:
Originally Posted by DallasBlue
with an amendment,Senator Grassley fixes H1-B imprecise rules and makes HR3012 bill even better.

The less than perfect (imperfect) H1-B laws(rules) are gamed and worked out to stretch their profits by the placement firms and in the way exploit the gullible foreign workers and bring down the wages. With his amendment senator fixes the system.



Quote:


Technically, HR3012 will not increase the number of visas already granted by the Congress - it'll remain at 140k.
• HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
• will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
• will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bolster the housing loans and banks here)
• will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now renewing EAD every year, they will buy those cars that they are putting off , buy those gadgets, equipment, tools etc. improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
• will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
• will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
• will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy

HR3012 serves national interest


H.R.3012 does not impact the "american tech worker". If the issue is about more number of tech workers coming in here to USA HR3012 doesn’t increase the visa numbers. This bill is removing the country caps. When a professional is hired one is not hired on the basis of nationality but only on the basis of the skills. The current wait times for India and china are like 50 years which is totally unreasonable. Tech workers are not impacted with or without H.R.3012 because all these people will remain here in US and are working here on AOS status (adjustment of status/Employment Authorization) and eventually be American tech worker in a matter of 5 years or 50 years.


"Some have argued that providing green cards to highly skilled foreign nationals harms the job prospects of
Americans. However, that argument ignores that skilled scientists, researchers and professionals help create
more jobs and innovations. Moreover, such individuals are hired as part of the normal recruitment process,
complementing, not replacing, Americans. Another argument made is that the green card problem is not dire,
since many foreign nationals stay in the United States years after receiving a Ph.D. But foreign nationals with
Ph.D.s are more likely to work in academia and represent only about 13 percent of H-1B visa holders annually.
The 5-year stay rate for Indians earning Ph.D.s at U.S. universities in science and engineering declined from 89
percent for those who received a doctorate in the year 2000, to 79 percent for Indian recipients of Ph.D.s in 2004.
Even if Ph.D.s from India and China were staying in the U.S. at the same rate as before it would not be relevant to
the green card problems experienced by foreign nationals at the masters and undergraduate levels."


Also, against 'immigrant exploitation', there are a lot of labor laws and worker safety laws that safeguard not only the immigrant workers but all the American tech and non tech workers.

Also apart from the above,


"employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries" - That is what is called Diversity- I humbly disagree- That is not what it was created for.


For that we have diversity visa. which gives equal opportunity for jobs from all countries, irrespective of their education or skill - oversubscribed countries are barred... those exceeding 7% for that year....so While Indians are barred from applying under Diversity- SriLankans and Nepalese are not.

For "diversity" Skill-based-immigrants are already being excluded from the "Diversity Visa". Why this double whammy? And, are there any country quotas in the diversity visa? Quite illogical

We are fighting a notion that "countries" are getting the benefit by sending its citizens here. In inida and china ther competition is fierce and only the best gets the chance to come US. How about the notion of a fair and just immigration system that doesn't discriminate based on national origin.
"Countries" are abstract. Individuals have life, feelings, etc. How to make ploicy/law maker and everyone understand?


• Every skilled immigrant saves money. The longer you are here the more money you save. By giving a person who stayed here longest a chance to file green card he can use his savings as investment in US. US needs investments in this economic times, win-win.

• If a person after working 15 years (60 credits) goes back then US would pay Social Security to that person after he retires. US Social Security goes outside as long as that person lives.

• Since 2001 US is granting 65000+ non immmigrant visas for skilled and high skilled applicants which indicates that there is a potential demand sine 2001.

• When employement visa is applied there is no country specific quota and it is first come first served basis along with other conditions. (Qualification, job demand etc.). Hence it is not based on DIVERSITY and dosent count spouses and childern.

• Only people who come in scarced Employment category can apply for GC. Hence it should not be based on DIVERSITY.

• Every year 140000 GC’s are allowed. So even if all the 65000+ apply there should not be any backlog.

• By putting a country limit in GC, an artificial queue is created. This creates as a pool of qualified, bonded, desperate labor force working for the betterment of US.

• HR3012 bill will remove the block/backlog and will make the system function correctly.


refrences:

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www.kauffman.org/uploadedFiles/reverse_brain_drain_101807.pdf
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/07/22/high-skilled-immigration-restrictions-are-economically-senseless/

http://archive.sba.gov/advo/research/rs334tot.pdf


http://www.renewoureconomy.org/sites/all/themes/pnae/university-letter.pdf

http://www.technet.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Tech-Industry-Letter-in-Support-of-Repealing-the-Per-Country-Limit-JUN-27-2012.pdf

http://www.kauffman.org/entrepreneurship/foreign-born-entrepreneurs.aspx
http://www.inc.com/articles/201110/why-the-next-steve-jobs-will-be-asian.html

http://www.democracyjournal.org/21/our-best-imports-keeping-immigrant-innovators-here.php?page=all

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm



Chuck Grassley: Campaign Finance/Money - Top Donors - Senator 2010 | OpenSecrets

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00001758&type=I&newmem =N

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

http://www.kauffman.org/newsroom/new-report-says-green-card-backlog-could-grow-worse-for-high-skilled-immigrants.aspx?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Opticast&utm_campaign=Ideas_At_Work_6_21_2012

http://www.nfap.com/pdf/NFAPPolicyBrief.StillWaiting.June2012.pdf

http://competeamerica.org/sites/default/files/files/EB%20Green%20Cards%20at%20a%20Glance-2011%20FINAL.pdf

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[looivy]

When does the senate lame duck start?

[go_guy123]

When does the senate lame duck start?

Sometime after the election. That is why it is called "lame duck". After the election politicians who have lost seats till get to vote till the end of the term. Thats why they can vote yes for unpopular issues.

[bibliophile2020]

Looks like it's going to be 4 more years of nothing.

[spicy_guy]

Looks like it's going to be 4 more years of nothing.

Hope things will move forward.

[looivy]

Sometime after the election. That is why it is called "lame duck". After the election politicians who have lost seats till get to vote till the end of the term. Thats why they can vote yes for unpopular issues.

Yeeah...but what is the date?

[dhirajs98]

I believe lame duck session starts on November 13th.

[maximus777]

Its not truly "lame" this time. The pres-house-senate setup is exactly same as before the elections. They can effectively start running the country from 11/13 if they wish to, but fear that the political paralysis would continue.

[gc_check]

I believe lame duck session starts on November 13th.
With so little change or no change in house / senate and also current president getting re-elected, not sure the term "Lame Duck Session" applies entirely as only a handful of House Rep and Senators change with new congress and balance of power remaining the same and the same guys meeting again in Jan/Feb next year for a new congress, It appears business as usual. Not sure if the "Fiscal Cliff" discussion and fighting will consume all time or if other bills will get its chance. With Scott Brown from MA loosing his re-elections, not sure if he will fight for Irish Visa proposals with future career goal in mind and if he will cause more issue or will support is another question. In the end, With all the election coverage taking attention, thing will be back to normal by the time the congress returns to complete this session and only time can tell what is going on.
Also not sure why USCIS did not publish the "Pending Inventory" (http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=16551543455e5210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCR D&vgnextchannel=16551543455e5210VgnVCM100000082ca60a RCRD) for 485 in Oct as they did last 2 years though it is not going to shed any new data other than a little more insight into how the porting trend is.

[forever_waiting]

Very good points. I agree.
Status quo was the best outcome we could have hoped for wrt immigration and per-country removal and thats what happened. so its positive. lets see how things move now.

With so little change or no change in house / senate and also current president getting re-elected, not sure the term "Lame Duck Session" applies entirely as only a handful of House Rep and Senators change with new congress and balance of power remaining the same and the same guys meeting again in Jan/Feb next year for a new congress, It appears business as usual. Not sure if the "Fiscal Cliff" discussion and fighting will consume all time or if other bills will get its chance. With Scott Brown from MA loosing his re-elections, not sure if he will fight for Irish Visa proposals with future career goal in mind and if he will cause more issue or will support is another question. In the end, With all the election coverage taking attention, thing will be back to normal by the time the congress returns to complete this session and only time can tell what is going on.
Also not sure why USCIS did not publish the "Pending Inventory" (http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=16551543455e5210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCR D&vgnextchannel=16551543455e5210VgnVCM100000082ca60a RCRD) for 485 in Oct as they did last 2 years though it is not going to shed any new data other than a little more insight into how the porting trend is.

[psaxena]

Very good points. I agree.
Status quo was the best outcome we could have hoped for wrt immigration and per-country removal and thats what happened. so its positive. lets see how things move now.

testing

[bibliophile2020]

I hope our fortunes won't be tied to CIR. I sincerely hope the President does something like DACA for EB based immigrants.

[deepakd]

I hope our fortunes won't be tied to CIR. I sincerely hope the President does something like DACA for EB based immigrants.


President/Democrats won't do anything for EB immigrants. There is no ROI. There next action item would be to make all illegal immigrants legal, grant them citizenship so they they lock the latino votes for next 20/30 years in their favor.

In Politics, there is no right or wrong thing. Only one thing matters: How do you get more votes.
Last night, republicans learnt this lesson in a hard way and they are not looking for directions lest they become extinct.

For republicans, it is a losing battle against the changing and new demography in this country.

[Fairnessforall]

President/Democrats won't do anything for EB immigrants. There is no ROI. There next action item would be to make all illegal immigrants legal, grant them citizenship so they they lock the latino votes for next 20/30 years in their favor.

In Politics, there is no right or wrong thing. Only one thing matters: How do you get more votes.
Last night, republicans learnt this lesson in a hard way and they are not looking for directions lest they become extinct.

For republicans, it is a losing battle against the changing and new demography in this country.

It's not going to be that bad for EB immigrants. Unfortunately, however, EB may get dealt as a part of CIR which delays relief. If Romney were to get elected, neither illegal nor legal immigrants would have seen any light. Southern republicans who staunchly supported Romney would have oppose/shelve any immigration related bill.

[gk_2000]

With so little change or no change in house / senate and also current president getting re-elected, not sure the term "Lame Duck Session" applies entirely as only a handful of House Rep and Senators change with new congress and balance of power remaining the same and the same guys meeting again in Jan/Feb next year for a new congress, It appears business as usual. Not sure if the "Fiscal Cliff" discussion and fighting will consume all time or if other bills will get its chance. With Scott Brown from MA loosing his re-elections, not sure if he will fight for Irish Visa proposals with future career goal in mind and if he will cause more issue or will support is another question. In the end, With all the election coverage taking attention, thing will be back to normal by the time the congress returns to complete this session and only time can tell what is going on.
Also not sure why USCIS did not publish the "Pending Inventory" (http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=16551543455e5210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCR D&vgnextchannel=16551543455e5210VgnVCM100000082ca60a RCRD) for 485 in Oct as they did last 2 years though it is not going to shed any new data other than a little more insight into how the porting trend is.


Ohhh that Irish visa guy is a lame duck? Good for us, probably .. he won't stand in our way as much anymore

[bibliophile2020]

It's not going to be that bad for EB immigrants. Unfortunately, however, EB may get dealt as a part of CIR which delays relief. If Romney were to get elected, neither illegal nor legal immigrants would have seen any light. Southern republicans who staunchly supported Romney would have oppose/shelve any immigration related bill.

I disaree. Democratics are all about locking the Hispanic vote for next few decades. Romney on the other hand atleast mentioned in the second debate that he would take steps to help legal immigrants. I have a feeling that any immigration bill with "Legal" in it will not pass the this senate.

[Fairnessforall]

I disaree. Democratics are all about locking the Hispanic vote for next few decades. Romney on the other hand atleast mentioned in the second debate that he would take steps to help legal immigrants. I have a feeling that any immigration bill with "Legal" in it will not pass the this senate.

Romney mentioned legal immigration in the debate. I watched that, I heard that, but did not believe that. There are way too many ultra conservative forces in republican party. They would not allow any immigration bill to pass. Senator Sessions and Sensenberner for example. Senator Grassley who put hold on HR3012 is a republican.

Agreed that democrats are looking at latino votebank, however, as long as we keep our advocacy going we have a good chance of piggy backing latinos in the CIR. With republican president, senate and house neither illegal nor legal would have a chance.

[GCTorture]

What are the action items at the moment? Can somebody please tell me? I lost track in the past few days. I appreciate.

[kichoudh]

Pappu -- In the light of the elections and re-election of Obama what is the strategy of Immigration Voice for HR 3012.

In my analysis HR 3012 will not get through in the Lame Duck. However there is potential to include visa recapture, removal of country wide quotas in CIR. But its a long story.

Politico reports that CIR will be taken up after president is sworn in Feb 2013.

[np5337]

somehow i can not able to see "HR 3012 general discussion since April 2012" beyond page 99. Is it my access or it's happening to everybody?

[dipdowndust]

somehow i can not able to see "HR 3012 general discussion since April 2012" beyond page 99. Is it my access or it's happening to everybody?

I am seeing same thing. But, it looks like all latest updates are upto page 99 and there is probably nothing in 100-102 pages, so thats why you cannot access it.

[ksircar]

I am seeing same thing. But, it looks like all latest updates are upto page 99 and there is probably nothing in 100-102 pages, so thats why you cannot access it.

Happening to me too.

[Suva]

Same for me too.

somehow i can not able to see "HR 3012 general discussion since April 2012" beyond page 99. Is it my access or it's happening to everybody?

[bibliophile2020]

Pappu -- In the light of the elections and re-election of Obama what is the strategy of Immigration Voice for HR 3012.

In my analysis HR 3012 will not get through in the Lame Duck. However there is potential to include visa recapture, removal of country wide quotas in CIR. But its a long story.

Politico reports that CIR will be taken up after president is sworn in Feb 2013.

I hope IV was not pinning all hopes on Mitt being elected as president. Obama would not do anything that does not fetch him votes. Sen.Reid is a big proponent of CIR, not sure if he is going to let HR 3012 come on to the senate floor in the lame duck session.

[go_guy123]

Romney mentioned legal immigration in the debate. I watched that, I heard that, but did not believe that. There are way too many ultra conservative forces in republican party. They would not allow any immigration bill to pass. Senator Sessions and Sensenberner for example. Senator Grassley who put hold on HR3012 is a republican.

Agreed that democrats are looking at latino votebank, however, as long as we keep our advocacy going we have a good chance of piggy backing latinos in the CIR. With republican president, senate and house neither illegal nor legal would have a chance.

Grassley was holding the HR3012 because he knew he could get away with it. If now the "soul searching" GOP decides for Dream Act, do you thing Grassley will be able to hold that "single handedly" like HR 3012. The political establishment will hammer him hard if he does that.

Ofcourse I believe some conservative GOP candidate who is safe in his conservative district or state will hold that off....so Dream Act or CIR will always be difficult. So the stalement will continue.

[ronhira]

Grassley was holding the HR3012 because he knew he could get away with it. If now the "soul searching" GOP decides for Dream Act, do you thing Grassley will be able to hold that "single handedly" like HR 3012. The political establishment will hammer him hard if he does that.

Ofcourse I believe some conservative GOP candidate who is safe in his conservative district or state will hold that off....so Dream Act or CIR will always be difficult. So the stalement will continue.

grassley was original sponsor of dream act

they will go for the bigger prize - cir, and after very very bitter debate, cir will fail in 2013 end ..... any one waiting for gc pinning their hopes on cir needs to go for at least 1 class at university of reason, located next door to you, if you really wants to see..... dream on my friends, dream on

[Amman]

Looks like momentum is building for immigration, but sadly only for illegals.

Momentum builds for U.S. immigration reform plan - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/senators-restart-talks-us-immigration-reform-plan-153200663.html)

"And I think we have a darned good chance using this blueprint to get something done this year. The Republican Party has learned that being ... anti-immigrant doesn't work for them politically. And they know it," Schumer said.

[gvenkat]

the only hope is the CIR. This is what failed in 2007

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act_of_2007)


S.1639 would eliminate the employer-sponsored component of the immigration system and replace it with a point-based "merit" system. Points would be awarded by the USCIS adjudicating officers for a combination of education, job skills, family connections and English proficiency. Sponsorship of a U.S. employer would not be required although additional points would be awarded if a U.S. job offer was available. The labor certification process would also be eliminated. Several family-based immigration categories would also be folded into the point system. Points-based systems are already used for admitting skilled immigrants in the United Kingdom, Australia, Canada and other developed countries.

If we have this, Most of us will be through.

[bibliophile2020]

the only hope is the CIR. This is what failed in 2007

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act_of_2007)



If we have this, Most of us will be through.

Point based system will not pass the congress as most of the Democrats' vote bank will have "ZERO" points.

[go_guy123]

Point based system will not pass the congress as most of the Democrats' vote bank will have "ZERO" points.

How exactly....the point allocation will be tailor made to give max points for GED or high school and decline with higher education.

[jetflyer]

Momentum builds for U.S. immigration reform plan - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/senators-restart-talks-us-immigration-reform-plan-153200663.html)

we should try to put our points in CIR now. like most important one...work visa for H4

[gvenkat]

The most important one should be to eliminate the wait for those legally and give them a path to citizenship or GC. H4 work visa is probably the least of the worries IMO.

[sup_eb2_2009]

This discussion is diverting from the original topic. We should stay focus on HR3012. I would request to open a different thread for any other discussion. So when do we expect HR 3012 to be discussed in Senate again? The senate session has begun isnt it? Please let us know

[GCTorture]

Please take some time out to view this petition and sign it. Would be very helpful if you could forward this to others as well and get 25,000 signatures before Dec 1st, 2012.

Any person applying for Greencard (GC), or in the process of GC, or in the final stage (I-140 approved) and waiting for their priority date to get current, all of us and even people who would be applying for GC in the future, this petition might be very helpful in allowing us to file for EAD as soon as I-140 is approved so that we can continue working without any extra stress of waiting for our priority date to get current and renewing our H1B status every year(s).

Greatly appreciate it if you could spread the word out and sign it.

For signing it please click on the link below, it will take you to the petition page on the White-house.gov web page, there if you do not already have an account please create one ( a very simple process of just signing up for free) and then sign the petition.

Short URL: http://wh.gov/98wq

Share this URL: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-filing-i-765-ead-and-i-131-ap-upon-i-140-approval/FBSVvfQh

Thank you. I signed the petition. I hope everybody steps in.

[chakdepatte]

Everyone is talking about Immigration. is IV targetting to get HR3012 passed during the lame duck session?

[spicy_guy]

I guess HR3012 is first, which is currently low hanging fruit. CIR is miles away.

[jetflyer]

[QUOTE=spicy_guy;3562865]I guess HR3012 is first, which is currently low hanging fruit. CIR is miles away.[/QUOTE

You are correct. HR3012 and work permit to H4 visa are the first two items in Obama's List.

[greendream26]

@Jetflyer & Spice_guy if HR3012 is on the top list then why is Obama talking only about Illegal immigration and no word about HR3012??
Work visa for H4 is not even on the table to my knowledge, I might be wrong. You guys are more senior plz put some more light on this 2 things. Thanks in advance....

[deepakd]

@Jetflyer & Spice_guy if HR3012 is on the top list then why is Obama talking only about Illegal immigration and no word about HR3012??
Work visa for H4 is not even on the table to my knowledge, I might be wrong. You guys are more senior plz put some more light on this 2 things. Thanks in advance....

When it comes to immigration, Obamas first priority is to get citizenship to millions of Hispanics and lock their their descendants votes for democratic party for years to come.

He may not even know about HR-3012 :-)
Sad but this is the reality guys.:mad:

Politics is not about doing the right things but about the rights things to get votes.

[greendream26]

I accept watever you said is true. But if thats the case then why the guys above me said HR3012 is top priority for Obama? and also mentioned on the H4 work approval? It seems they were joking!!!
Different people with different opinions..............

[spicy_guy]

I accept watever you said is true. But if thats the case then why the guys above me said HR3012 is top priority for Obama? and also mentioned on the H4 work approval? It seems they were joking!!!
Different people with different opinions..............

Its not top priority for Obama. Its top priority for us. We need to work towards bringing it to the top. If we put any amount of diverted effort on CIR at this point, its fruitless, as CIR is a massive beast and takes more than a year to at least settle, while HR 3012 is close to the finish line (so far yet, though).

[go_guy123]

When it comes to immigration, Obamas first priority is to get citizenship to millions of Hispanics and lock their their descendants votes for democratic party for years to come.

He may not even know about HR-3012 :-)
Sad but this is the reality guys.:mad:

Politics is not about doing the right things but about the rights things to get votes.

That is correct and every election cycle the Hispanic vote will keep increasing. Even GOP and its talking heads at Fox News realised that without Hispanic votes white house will get more and more out of reach given the electroral college math.

But once the CIR stampede starts, HR3012 and other allied bills would have trouble with visibility. The whole definition of skilled immigrants will change to exclude H1B.

Reality is, soon the focus will be on 2014 election and followed by GOP push to take WH in 2016 with help of some Hispanic Votes. Dream Act and CIR is a must for this !