Singh is King and will Get back our SS and MC $

[pani_6]

Our Esteemed PM was in talk with Prez GB about a year ago to get back the SS and MC money paid for all H1B's who have paid into the system but would not get a dime from it..please could somebody with good writing skills would write a letter to PM so that all people can mail/Fax/Email our Respected PM urging him to take this issue up with the new administration. Also we need to request our PM to take up the issue of lenghty delays we face.

Please Mail or Email to the following

Shri Vayalar Ravi
MINISTRY OF OVERSEAS INDIAN AFFAIRS
AKBAR BHAWAN
CHANAKYA PURI
NEW DELHI-110021
info@moia.nic.in
minister@moia.nic.in

External Affairs Minister
S.M. Krishna
eam@mea.gov.in



Shashi Tharoor
psmosas@mea.gov.in


Prime Minister of India
Dr ManMohan Singh
South Block, Raisina Hill,
New Delhi,
India-110 011.

[whiteStallion]

Sounds like a good plan...

[gc28262]

Our Esteemed PM was in talk with Prez GB about a year ago to get back the SS and MC money paid for all H1B's who have paid into the system but would not get a dime from it..please could somebody with good writing skills would write a letter to PM so that all people can mail/Fax/Email our Respected PM urging him to take this issue up with the new administration. Also we need to request our PM to take up the issue of lenghty delays we face.

Ministry of overseas Indian affairs would be the right contact for this.

http://moia.gov.in/

Since Singh is our king, you can write it in Hindi too.

[morchu]

You cannot ask Indian government to help directly to get your GC and Citizenship of USA (thereby loosing Indian citizenship). SS/MC issue can be addressed though, since it is for people "returning" to India, as good Indian citizens.

[addsf345]

Ministry of overseas Indian affairs would be the right contact for this.

http://moia.gov.in/

Since Singh is our king, you can write it in Hindi too.

How about writing to Edvige Antonia Albina Maino? as some say, currently the most powerful indian on earth.

[gcwait_07]

Never knew her real name to be this and she is 63 ! :eek:
wonder where Sonia came from ?

[psaxena]

Kitnee powerfull hai ye bhaiya, apne nathu pehalwaan ko hara sakti hai kya kushti main???

How about writing to Edvige Antonia Albina Maino? as some say, currently the most powerful indian on earth.

[trramesh]

Our Esteemed PM was in talk with Prez GB about a year ago to get back the SS and MC money paid for all H1B's who have paid into the system but would not get a dime from it..please could somebody with good writing skills would write a letter to PM so that all people can mail/Fax/Email our Respected PM urging him to take this issue up with the new administration. Also we need to request our PM to take up the issue of lenghty delays we face.

Actually I too thought about taking help of Indian politicians in this regard. But I dont know the effective channel to get there. Jan 10 is NRI day and is celebrated in a big way in India and it is usually given good media coverage. PM usually participates in this event. Dual citizenship scheme was announced in this program a couple of years ago. May be we should do some ground work to get to the right people in this celebration committee with right inputs so they can help at least attempt to help us.

SS is really important to cover our dependants. We need to take this seriously. If anyone has good suggestions, please PM me.

[gc28262]

Maybe we should plan to recover SSN in lump sum rather than routing through Indian PF system. A few years from now US may not have any SS funds.

[mango_man]

You guys will lick anyone\'s ass to get a gc!!

I wonder if you live your life at all. All you talk about everyday is immigration. Your life is dedicated to a sole purpose \"immigration\".

Around 15 years back I saw an Indian couple at the passport office with a bunch of files in different colors. I got curious to know why he was carrying so many files in different colors. I noticed that each file had a label and it said \"USA File\", \"UK File\", \"Canada File\", \"Austrailia File\",.....and so on. At that time I laughed my balls seeing his desperation to get out of India.

Now I see every other guy on this forum is just like him. Stop judging your status by the country you live in. Do something worth while so people know you for what you have done and not for where you live.

Eat mangoes and stay healthy!!

[ash27]

You sick morone! You were in passport office 15 years back and still hanging out on immigration forums! Woh! Looks like you have no life....
Also, we r talking ab moving back to India and taking our hard earned money back....Very soon, suckers like u will be working for us. Look at any fortune 500 company and we have risen through the ranks and have taken or moving into leadership...Just wait and watch and we will be running the show & I will make sure that suckers like u work and not just sit on their ass for life long...

[mango_man]

You sick morone! You were in passport office 15 years back and still hanging out on immigration forums! Woh! Looks like you have no life....
Also, we r talking ab moving back to India and taking our hard earned money back....Very soon, suckers like u will be working for us. Look at any fortune 500 company and we have risen through the ranks and have taken or moving into leadership...Just wait and watch and we will be running the show & I will make sure that suckers like u work and not just sit on their ass for life long...

Pehle "moron" ki spelling to seekh le madar india!!

[niklshah]

You sick morone! You were in passport office 15 years back and still hanging out on immigration forums! Woh! Looks like you have no life....
Also, we r talking ab moving back to India and taking our hard earned money back....Very soon, suckers like u will be working for us. Look at any fortune 500 company and we have risen through the ranks and have taken or moving into leadership...Just wait and watch and we will be running the show & I will make sure that suckers like u work and not just sit on their ass for life long...


First of all let me make clear i am Indian. I dont know where our loyalities are, on one hand we are trying for green card and eventually go for citizenship. and here some one is writing our time will come and all that stuff. This country has given us a lot. If u were seriously planning to move back to india u would have never applied for green card in first place buddy. I am ashamed about ur thinking.

[unseenguy]

I agree. My wife says I have become desperate for GC and just by visiting IV everyday I won't get it.

[vjkypally]

PM will be too busy to deal with these matters. If anyone knows Vayalar Ravi who is our NRI minister now, he could probably take it up for us.

[vivid_bharti]

Our Esteemed PM promised to make/convert Mumbai into Shanghai 5 years ago, look what it is today. He's much more hype than reality..Also he wouldn't have time for us, he's working on all thos Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, Jawahar Lal Nehru Yojnaas for the people who vote, not for us who don't caste any vote anywhere....If you think about it we are "Dhobhi kaa kutta, naa ghar kaa naa gaat kaa".
Our Esteemed PM was in talk with Prez GB about a year ago to get back the SS and MC money paid for all H1B's who have paid into the system but would not get a dime from it..please could somebody with good writing skills would write a letter to PM so that all people can mail/Fax/Email our Respected PM urging him to take this issue up with the new administration. Also we need to request our PM to take up the issue of lenghty delays we face.

[hopein07]

Our Esteemed PM promised to make/convert Mumbai into Shanghai 5 years ago, look what it is today. He's much more hype than reality..Also he wouldn't have time for us, he's working on all thos Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, Jawahar Lal Nehru Yojnaas for the people who vote, not for us who don't caste any vote anywhere....If you think about it we are "Dhobhi kaa kutta, naa ghar kaa naa gaat kaa".

Well said :D:D

Actually I don't understand why people are so fussed up about SS and MC dollars. Medicare is going bankrupt and Social Security will be able to pay only much reduced benefits 30 years from now. This is a totally useless investment. Why bother about it when everybody is anyway going to lose money in it? If you have plans to move back to India then do so without thinking about this loss. You can make it up by getting a good job in India today. Infact the earlier you move back the better it is because then you will lose less by paying less to uncle Sam.

[sk2009aa]

PM will be too busy to deal with these matters. If anyone knows Vayalar Ravi who is our NRI minister now, he could probably take it up for us.

He has a website and a guest book (not sure who reads it). Lets fill it with SS requests.

http://www.vayalarravi.org/php/showGuestBook.php?linkid=8

[gc28262]

PM will be too busy to deal with these matters. If anyone knows Vayalar Ravi who is our NRI minister now, he could probably take it up for us.

This is a news from 2006. Vaylar Ravi has already initiated this effort. All we need to do is to give a push.

http://in.rediff.com/money/2006/nov/18india.htm

November 18, 2006 12:15 IST
Overseas Indian Affairs Minister Vayalar Ravi said in New York on Friday that New Delhi is trying to negotiate for an agreement with the Bush Administration under which temporary Indian workers in the US would not have to pay social security taxes.

Talking to a small group of Indian journalists Ravi said during the visit of Belgium prime minister Guy Verhofstadt to India earlier this month an agreement, called social security agreement, was signed with Belgian Foreign Minister under which Indians who would work there for less than five years would have the option of paying their social security taxes in India rather than in Belgium.

'We are also negotiating with the United States for a similar kind of agreement,' Ravi said in response to a question. He said such agreements would also be signed with other European Union countries as well following conclusion of negotiations.

For hundreds of thousands of Indian H1B workers in the US, the mandatory payment of social security tax has been an issue since workers who go back to India after six years of temporary employment in the US either voluntarily or due to lack of sponsorship for permanent residency cannot claim the money they had paid from their earnings. For the permanent residents and citizens, social security acts something like a social insurance program at old age.

Since the 1970s, the United States Social Security Administration has a law in place known as "Totalization Agreements" with about 20 countries. Under the rule H-1B workers are exempted from paying Social Security taxes in the US and can have their deductions sent to their home countries.

These countries include Austria, Belgium, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, South Korea, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

Neither India nor China, the two countries accounting for the more than half of the all H-1B workers in the US are not included in the list evidently because these countries have no social security systems.

Ravi, however, did not explain as to how India, which does not have a social security system, would negotiate with the US for a similar exemption for Indian workers.

The minister was in New York ahead of the 5th Pravasi Bharatiya Divas to urge NRIs for greater involvement in the country's development by way of making investments in various projects and fields that are open for investments.

'Indian Americans have one of the highest incomes among all the ethnic groups in this country and they can participate in their motherland's development more substantially if they want to. I am here to encourage them to do that,' he said.

Ravi, who addressed a number of community meetings in New York, is going to California to attend the annual meeting of the National Federation of Indian Association, an umbrella organization of Indian organizations in the US.

[gc28262]

Well said :D:D

Actually I don't understand why people are so fussed up about SS and MC dollars. Medicare is going bankrupt and Social Security will be able to pay only much reduced benefits 30 years from now. This is a totally useless investment. Why bother about it when everybody is anyway going to lose money in it? If you have plans to move back to India then do so without thinking about this loss. You can make it up by getting a good job in India today. Infact the earlier you move back the better it is because then you will lose less by paying less to uncle Sam.

Calculate all the money we have given to SS and MC after being in US for all these years. If these payments are refunded, that will be a good financial backing for people who decide to move back.

In addition, this move would put pressure on lawmakers to pass a GC relief.

[hopein07]

Calculate all the money we have given to SS and MC after being in US for all these years. If these payments are refunded, that will be a good financial backing for people who decide to move back.

In addition, this move would put pressure on lawmakers to pass a GC relief.

You really have high hopes!!! Good for you. even American citizens are unable to secure these benefits after paying all their lives and you think US Govt will be able to just hand over money to foreign citizens without creating any fuss? Try it out and see if it works !!:):cool:

[vivid_bharti]

I think most of you guys either don't know anything about Indian politicians or don't understand our uselessness for them...If you talk to Vylaar Ravi today he will take 30 minutes to recollect what he talked 2 years ago...These are one of 50 useless promises & talks they do everyday, but end of the day only those works are take up which can fetch them votes...The current govt. will work more on socialist agenda, as they got votes for NREGA & several other social program. This govt. will not work for NRIs as we are not even at the bottom of their priority list This is a news from 2006. Vaylar Ravi has already initiated this effort. All we need to do is to give a push.

http://in.rediff.com/money/2006/nov/18india.htm

November 18, 2006 12:15 IST
Overseas Indian Affairs Minister Vayalar Ravi said in New York on Friday that New Delhi is trying to negotiate for an agreement with the Bush Administration under which temporary Indian workers in the US would not have to pay social security taxes.

Talking to a small group of Indian journalists Ravi said during the visit of Belgium prime minister Guy Verhofstadt to India earlier this month an agreement, called social security agreement, was signed with Belgian Foreign Minister under which Indians who would work there for less than five years would have the option of paying their social security taxes in India rather than in Belgium.

'We are also negotiating with the United States for a similar kind of agreement,' Ravi said in response to a question. He said such agreements would also be signed with other European Union countries as well following conclusion of negotiations.

For hundreds of thousands of Indian H1B workers in the US, the mandatory payment of social security tax has been an issue since workers who go back to India after six years of temporary employment in the US either voluntarily or due to lack of sponsorship for permanent residency cannot claim the money they had paid from their earnings. For the permanent residents and citizens, social security acts something like a social insurance program at old age.

Since the 1970s, the United States Social Security Administration has a law in place known as "Totalization Agreements" with about 20 countries. Under the rule H-1B workers are exempted from paying Social Security taxes in the US and can have their deductions sent to their home countries.

These countries include Austria, Belgium, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, South Korea, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

Neither India nor China, the two countries accounting for the more than half of the all H-1B workers in the US are not included in the list evidently because these countries have no social security systems.

Ravi, however, did not explain as to how India, which does not have a social security system, would negotiate with the US for a similar exemption for Indian workers.

The minister was in New York ahead of the 5th Pravasi Bharatiya Divas to urge NRIs for greater involvement in the country's development by way of making investments in various projects and fields that are open for investments.

'Indian Americans have one of the highest incomes among all the ethnic groups in this country and they can participate in their motherland's development more substantially if they want to. I am here to encourage them to do that,' he said.

Ravi, who addressed a number of community meetings in New York, is going to California to attend the annual meeting of the National Federation of Indian Association, an umbrella organization of Indian organizations in the US.

[gc28262]

You really have high hopes!!! Good for you. even American citizens are unable to secure these benefits after paying all their lives and you think US Govt will be able to just hand over money to foreign citizens without creating any fuss? Try it out and see if it works !!:):cool:

The difference being, Citizens are paying SS/MC as they are eligible for SS and MC benefits whereas US gov is forcing non-residents to pay SS/MC taxes when they are not eligible to receive the benefits.

[gc28262]

I think most of you guys either don't know anything about Indian politicians or don't understand our uselessness for them...If you talk to Vylaar Ravi today he will take 30 minutes to recollect what he talked 2 years ago...These are one of 50 useless promises & talks they do everyday, but end of the day only those works are take up which can fetch them votes...The current govt. will work more on socialist agenda, as they got votes for NREGA & several other social program. This govt. will not work for NRIs as we are not even at the bottom of their priority list

Go through the news again. India has already signed such agreements with other countries.
Moreover Indian government has a vested interest in it.

[hopein07]

The difference being, Citizens are paying SS/MC as they are eligible for SS and MC benefits whereas US gov is forcing non-residents to pay SS/MC taxes when they are not eligible to receive the benefits.

Who cares about non-residents when the USCs are also not getting benefits? That's the whole point. Non-residents are at the bottom of the food chain and are voiceless. When the country itself is in crisis how can the country care for non-residents? No country in the world would and US is no exception.

[hopein07]

Go through the news again. India has already signed such agreements with other countries.
Moreover Indian government has a vested interest in it.

Other countries may have signed agreements with India but that still does not guarantee payouts to Indians. For example during a financial crisis or war benefits will be first paid to citizens only. Also, the impact on those countries may be infinitely less than it is to US because of very small Indian communities in those countries.

[psaxena]

You guys will lick anyone\'s ass to get a gc!!
How did you know we would? Did you do that? Did anyone made a video while you were doing that? OMG. .. Tsk Tsk.. actually we didn't , we are going to get it without doing that..
No worries your taste bud have a file for an additional taste now which no one of us has.

I wonder if you live your life at all. All you talk about everyday is immigration. Your life is dedicated to a sole purpose \"immigration\".

No thats not the case, this is the immigration forum and we talk about immigration here only. Well I think, that you think and talk only about immigration thats the reason you are only on this site, whereas the rest others visit a lot of different sites and post their point of view based on the topic of the forum. So please go and get a life dude.

Around 15 years back I saw an Indian couple at the passport office with a bunch of files in different colors. I got curious to know why he was carrying so many files in different colors. I noticed that each file had a label and it said \"USA File\", \"UK File\", \"Canada File\", \"Austrailia File\",.....and so on. At that time I laughed my balls seeing his desperation to get out of India.

Well I think you were also the one holding one file "US file". So you are no less than that couple. Actually you are worst than them as they may admit they are trying to do it but you will always be doing the same thing and will be in denial. And everyone knows whats the truth.

Now I see every other guy on this forum is just like him. Stop judging your status by the country you live in. Do something worth while so people know you for what you have done and not for where you live.

Except you no one on this forum is like that, your thinking is actually representing your mentality and personality.Also its pity that "YOU" judge the status of a person by which country he lives in , "WE" don't do that. Everyone here came for one reason or the other and so is yours. Tell me one thing which you did and consider "something worth" , except eating mangoes which is not worth at all.

Eat mangoes and stay healthy!!
Actually jyada aam khaane se funsiyaan ho jaati hai.. Ganna (sugarcane) chooso that will be the best.

Most of all you are again one of the personality which actually compelled me to analyze , how your brain behaves to make yourself feel better. (Part of my job to analyze the personality by the short conversations.) Still reading brain and behaviors is my job and hobby(man I love my job)

Am I offended , ofcourse I am..if you dun like reading all this and then dun write this way..
what you dun like , just dun do that to others also.

[gc28262]

Who cares about non-residents when the USCs are also not getting benefits? That's the whole point. Non-residents are at the bottom of the food chain and are voiceless. When the country itself is in crisis how can the country care for non-residents? No country in the world would and US is no exception.

We will make US care for non-residents at least in this issue.
GC is something US can decide whether to give or not. This is OUR money US gov is illegally withholding.

That is the whole point.

[vivid_bharti]

My dear friend, US is broke, they are pushing their hand deep in our pockets to take out maximum money they can in the name of Immigration Document Fee increament up to 3 times...Issuing 1 year documents valid from the date of issue(so they can eat 3-4 months), This is no less than "Jizya"....Here we are paying "Jizya" on the other hand you are hoping to get the tax back...You guys are day dreaming.. Go through the news again. India has already signed such agreements with other countries.
Moreover Indian government has a vested interest in it.

[Winner]

Our Esteemed PM was in talk with Prez GB about a year ago to get back the SS and MC money paid for all H1B's who have paid into the system but would not get a dime from it..please could somebody with good writing skills would write a letter to PM so that all people can mail/Fax/Email our Respected PM urging him to take this issue up with the new administration. Also we need to request our PM to take up the issue of lenghty delays we face.

Good initiative.

[gc28262]

Other countries may have signed agreements with India but that still does not guarantee payouts to Indians. For example during a financial crisis or war benefits will be first paid to citizens only. Also, the impact on those countries may be infinitely less than it is to US because of very small Indian communities in those countries.

If you don't believe in this move, don't participate in this conversation.
Let those people who believe in this take action.

Are you a US citizen ? Why are you so concerned about this ?

[hopein07]

We will make US care for non-residents at least in this issue.
GC is something US can decide whether to give or not. This is OUR money US gov is illegally withholding.

That is the whole point.


There is nothing illegal about it. Read the law and you will know why. Yes you have the right to feel bad about it but why feel bad about so little money which will be of no consequence to you anyway because you can only get it when you are age 62 plus. Refund of your taxes will never happen so you can forget about it. Your options are to either hang on infinitely in US until you become a permanent resident and hope to get some piddly amount upon retirement in US or go to another country now or home and build a successful career which will reward you many times more during your young and productive years. Consider the SS/MC taxes as charity for current beneficiaries. You may feel US does not have culture of charity but at least your culture does? Doesn't it;)?

[gc28262]

There is nothing illegal about it. Read the law and you will know why. Yes you have the right to feel bad about it but why feel bad about so little money which will be of no consequence to you anyway because you can only get it when you are age 62 plus. Refund of your taxes will never happen so you can forget about it. Your options are to either hang on infinitely in US until you become a permanent resident and hope to get some piddly amount upon retirement in US or go to another country now or home and build a successful career which will reward you many times more during your young and productive years. Consider the SS/MC taxes as charity for current beneficiaries. You may feel US does not have culture of charity but at least your culture does? Doesn't it;)?

This is the exact response we are expecting from Citizens for this effort. Good to know our plans are working.

[hopein07]

If you don't believe in this move, don't participate in this conversation.
Let those people who believe in this take action.


Don't get me wrong, I believe you should definitely try but you have to be realistic about your chances just for discussion sake. The chances of this happening are very slim today due to weak economy, debts, and bankrupt MC and SS programs. Basically there is no money to pay.

[gc28262]

Don't get me wrong, I believe you should definitely try but you have to be realistic about your chances just for discussion sake. The chances of this happening are very slim today due to weak economy, debts, and bankrupt MC and SS programs. Basically there is no money to pay.

US gov can print dollars. They have the paper and printing press.

Have we got something to lose ? No. We will only gain by this effort.
Don't be pessimistic/discouraging.

[hopein07]

US gov can print dollars. They have the paper and printing press.

Have we got something to lose ? No. We will only gain by this effort.
Don't be pessimistic/discouraging.

Oh boy. You are relentless. Printing money to pay foreign citizens tax refunds!!!! You think Obama will be allowed to stay in office even one day by Congress if he tried to do this?:(

[niklshah]

The difference being, Citizens are paying SS/MC as they are eligible for SS and MC benefits whereas US gov is forcing non-residents to pay SS/MC taxes when they are not eligible to receive the benefits.


Did Obama came to ur house and forced u to stay in this country??? If u are not comfortable than feel free to take action and pay the money where u can get it back...

[unseenguy]

This guy hopein is a joker. law made by citiens for non citizens to get more of their money, deny them rights of gc etc etc.

Hopein, once upon a time even slavery was not illegal.

[Winner]

Did Obama came to ur house and forced u to stay in this country??? If u are not comfortable than feel free to take action and pay the money where u can get it back...

If that is what every immigrant who arrived here hundreds of years ago did, this country wil not be what it is today. If you see something unfair, you are entitled to voice your opinion through proper channels. "Pack your bags if you are not happy" is not the answer.

[unseenguy]

Did Obama came to ur house and forced u to stay in this country??? If u are not comfortable than feel free to take action and pay the money where u can get it back...

Hey if you dont want this campaign then you keep paying SSN without noise and give up your booty after 6 years when you go back. If we get successful, dont come back to collect your SSN, we would quite like to divide it amongst ourselves.

[niklshah]

If that is what every immigrant who arrived here hundreds of years ago did, this country wil not be what it is today. If you see something unfair, you are entitled to voice your opinion through proper channels. "Pack your bags if you are not happy" is not the answer.

did u see why i replied to his post?? read the post first.. as per gc... US govt is forcing us to pay SS and MC.. no one can force any one to do anything.. now a days u cant even a little kid to do anything... and we knew we have to pay all this taxes and SS and MC when we came here...

[niklshah]

Hey if you dont want this campaign then you keep paying SSN without noise and give up your booty after 6 years when you go back. If we get successful, dont come back to collect your SSN, we would quite like to divide it amongst ourselves.


yes buddy i am paying my SSN without noise. rite now its no time to ask US govt for all this stupid things. Country is in crises and u are suppose to support country in whatever way u can rather than demand for your money back... thats my logic i dont know urs..

[unseenguy]

yes buddy i am paying my SSN without noise. rite now its no time to ask US govt for all this stupid things. Country is in crises and u are suppose to support country in whatever way u can rather than demand for your money back... thats my logic i dont know urs..

If they are not supporting immigrants why should we support them?

[hopein07]

This guy hopein is a joker. law made by citiens for non citizens to get more of their money, deny them rights of gc etc etc. .

Don't be childish. Every country in world derives law in a way that will benefit the citizens first. The intent is not to rob immigrants but to cherish the values of citizenship. Germany, Austria and Switzerland have significant Turkish muslim minorites who do not have easy right to citizenship even after being born and rasied there. UK & NZL do not automatically grant citizenship to children born to immigrant parents there. The discrimination towards minority immigrant communities in those countries and many more is profoundly more than what it is in US. US is not denying you right to GC. Where did you get that from?

Hopein, once upon a time even slavery was not illegal.

Correct. It was legal and many Americans who live in the South & Southeast US (former confederate states) are still proud of those traditions which you may find disgusting.

[gc28262]

Did Obama came to ur house and forced u to stay in this country??? If u are not comfortable than feel free to take action and pay the money where u can get it back...

What is you issue with this effort ? If you don't believe you have the right to claim that is rightfully yours, you don't deserve to live in this great nation of liberty.

[gc28262]

yes buddy i am paying my SSN without noise. rite now its no time to ask US govt for all this stupid things. Country is in crises and u are suppose to support country in whatever way u can rather than demand for your money back... thats my logic i dont know urs..

Which is easier for US govt ?

Printing that silly white GC ( material worth a few tens of dollars)
Paying back SS and MC deductions which was illegally withheld ?

[gc28262]

Our Esteemed PM was in talk with Prez GB about a year ago to get back the SS and MC money paid for all H1B's who have paid into the system but would not get a dime from it..please could somebody with good writing skills would write a letter to PM so that all people can mail/Fax/Email our Respected PM urging him to take this issue up with the new administration. Also we need to request our PM to take up the issue of lenghty delays we face.

Let us get back to business.

Please bring up some points we should mention in the letter.
We will draft a letter once we have the points.

[hopein07]

Which is easier for US govt ?

Printing that silly white GC ( material worth a few tens of dollars)
Paying back SS and MC deductions which was illegally withheld ?

By which authority are you giving US Govt these options? Why did you not include one more option to the list and that is "do neither of the above":D

[gc28262]

By which authority are you giving US Govt these options? Why did you not include one more option to the list and that is "do neither of the above":D

Because I am the authority
I was generous enough to give the option of printing GC. :D

[hopein07]

Because I am the authority
I was generous enough to give the option of printing GC. :D

Your generosity is well appreciated. Could you be generous enough to forgo your SS/MC taxes also for the sake of some sick old people? ;)

[psaxena]

You work is a big corporation on a very critical project. Now one day you see their is a process which actually makes you (the developer) code the same thing 3 times.

This process has been in practice for many years, for some reason of the past. Now this doesn't make sense. There are some members of the management who do not want to change the process as they get a free copy of the code without any effort.

What would you do , just resign and what out, or raise your voice to change the process as it makes so much addition work for you.

"Pack you bags" is by and for the quitters in every race.. are you the one?
What I think is "Where I stand , thats my place with all rights and privileges" and will fight for it if anyone denies me of that.


Did Obama came to ur house and forced u to stay in this country??? If u are not comfortable than feel free to take action and pay the money where u can get it back...

[pani_6]

have attached a letter to our PM..please
email it ,
mail it
email it to your parents and ask them to post it.
or FAX it

Send it to PM , External Affairs Minister, and NRI Minister. ;)

[gc28262]

have attached a letter to our PM..please
email it ,
mail it
email it to your parents and ask them to post it.
or FAX it

Send it to PM , External Affairs Minister, and NRI Minister. ;)

You may want to remove your personal details from the letter.

[pointlesswait]

ghade..
a.) Dont give half cooked information...

India has been in negotiations with US for the past 10 years on this issue. But after the nuclear deal.. Bush admin showed some inclination to conclude that deal...but i think that was all a sham...
there was some concession.. i think ppl who work here for less than 3 years can move their SS to India..but not to their pvt acc..but to the PPF (the indian pension fund)... and if you have worked here for 10 years and move back to india.. you are eligible for pension ...in US or in India...

i think indias are responsible for the delayt.....As india has no comparable SS scheme..(like most western countries)....so if u are following the news..u will see the indian govt plans to revamp the pension scheme..and a bill has been introduced in the parliament... it will happen when it will happen.... so ur letter campaign will make you guys look stupid (to be mild)


Our Esteemed PM was in talk with Prez GB about a year ago to get back the SS and MC money paid for all H1B's who have paid into the system but would not get a dime from it..please could somebody with good writing skills would write a letter to PM so that all people can mail/Fax/Email our Respected PM urging him to take this issue up with the new administration. Also we need to request our PM to take up the issue of lenghty delays we face.

[gimme_GC2006]

Our Esteemed PM was in talk with Prez GB about a year ago to get back the SS and MC money paid for all H1B's who have paid into the system but would not get a dime from it..please could somebody with good writing skills would write a letter to PM so that all people can mail/Fax/Email our Respected PM urging him to take this issue up with the new administration. Also we need to request our PM to take up the issue of lenghty delays we face.


I am in it..let me know if you need any help.

We shud first get the letter drafted properly..and then probably put it in a bog or open a group in LinkedIn...once we get sizeable "digital" signatures then we can send it top leaders in India..

Let me know...Lets not let this die just like every other item

[unseenguy]

ghade..
a.) Dont give half cooked information...

India has been in negotiations with US for the past 10 years on this issue. But after the nuclear deal.. Bush admin showed some inclination to conclude that deal...but i think that was all a sham...
there was some concession.. i think ppl who work here for less than 3 years can move their SS to India..but not to their pvt acc..but to the PPF (the indian pension fund)... and if you have worked here for 10 years and move back to india.. you are eligible for pension ...in US or in India...

i think indias are responsible for the delayt.....As india has no comparable SS scheme..(like most western countries)....so if u are following the news..u will see the indian govt plans to revamp the pension scheme..and a bill has been introduced in the parliament... it will happen when it will happen.... so ur letter campaign will make you guys look stupid (to be mild)

I remember the story of a man who invented the motor boat. Proud of his achievements, he called a group of people to display his invention. Everyone was suspicious as to how could something race off let alone float on water. The group gathered near the hudson river and criticized the man saying "it won't work", then when the man pushed his boat in the water, they gasped as it floated. When he set off, one pessimist shouted, watch out you may just get drowned.

[pointlesswait]

ah...ppl like you..
U see a pile of elephant poop and think that is a mountain to climb... I applaud the initiative..but the the real issue is something else...focus on that...


btw...
read the f&^&* news......Mr.Current Affairs.

do you even know why the indian govt recently introduced a bill to reform and provide a SS blanket for all citizens... US cant release the funds as india has no comparable SS cover for its citizen ..so india has to put its house in order first... ( so thats the hold up....US has similar arrangements ith 20 countries ..because they have a SS plan thats in par)

And this issue already part of a larger indo-US deal....
This issue was first picked up during ABV tenure..then there was some initiative during MMS govt..until US cleverly linked this and other benefits with the Nuclear deal... so it will happen..sooner or later...


u guys look like fools....writing letters without understanding the real issue...




I remember the story of a man who invented the motor boat. Proud of his achievements, he called a group of people to display his invention. Everyone was suspicious as to how could something race off let alone float on water. The group gathered near the hudson river and criticized the man saying "it won't work", then when the man pushed his boat in the water, they gasped as it floated. When he set off, one pessimist shouted, watch out you may just get drowned.

[mundada]

1> Social Security is the world's biggest Ponzi scheme i.e. current investors pay for past investors. Ponzi schemes, like the one ran by Madoff, are illegal in the US. However, the US govt. seems to delude itself into thinking that social security is otherwise.

2> So if the social security is such a bad investment even in the US then why should India change its laws to provide a social security? Why cannot the US change its law so that an alien can choose to divest his money from the social security and medicare by paying a flat 30% tax, and if he does so then the US govt owes him and his family nothing here or abroad as part of welfare.

3> The social security and the medicare equivalent in India will only add another cubicle of corruption. Babus will ask money to "move" the file. Medicare does not even make sense in India because medical care is already subsidized by the Indian government.

[gc28262]

1> Social Security is the world's biggest Ponzi scheme i.e. current investors pay for past investors. Ponzi schemes, like the one ran by Madoff, are illegal in the US. However, the US govt. seems to delude itself into thinking that social security is otherwise.

2> So if the social security is such a bad investment even in the US then why should India change its laws to provide a social security? Why cannot the US change its law so that an alien can choose to divest his money from the social security and medicare by paying a flat 30% tax, and if he does so then the US govt owes him and his family nothing here or abroad as part of welfare.

3> The social security and the medicare equivalent in India will only add another cubicle of corruption. Babus will ask money to "move" the file. Medicare does not even make sense in India because medical care is already subsidized by the Indian government.

mundada,

Rightly said. Why should India change its laws to accommodate some non-sense US laws ? Better change the US laws.

It is a known issue that US Social Security is a ponzi scheme. If the system was well designed, it would never face funds shortage when baby boomers retire.

[trramesh]

have attached a letter to our PM..please
email it ,
mail it
email it to your parents and ask them to post it.
or FAX it

Send it to PM , External Affairs Minister, and NRI Minister. ;)

Hi,

The letter is good. There is a small correction in facts. "Indians who have completed the mandated 10 years and who are not permanent residents or citizens the law can easily be changed to disallow them to get these benefits when they retire". As of now, if an Indian does not hold a permenant resident card, 40 points in SS is down the drain and the money paid to SS is treated as right to work. This is what the customer service guy at SSA told me few weeks ago. The point is, the existing laws alreadys disallows these benefits.

[pani_6]

;)

Please Mail or Email to the following

Shri Vayalar Ravi
MINISTRY OF OVERSEAS INDIAN AFFAIRS
AKBAR BHAWAN
CHANAKYA PURI
NEW DELHI-110021
info@moia.nic.in
minister@moia.nic.in

External Affairs Minister
S.M. Krishna
eam@mea.gov.in



Shashi Tharoor
psmosas@mea.gov.in


Prime Minister of India
Dr ManMohan Singh
South Block, Raisina Hill,
New Delhi,
India-110 011.

[gc28262]

I have modified the letter to stress more on refund of the funds.
Please feel free to modify the letter as needed.

Please find the files at http://sites.google.com/site/gc28262/

Ministry Contacts.doc -->Contacts for ministries
SS Medicare Refund Petition MOA.doc --> Petition to Ministry of Overseas Affairs
SS Medicare Refund Petition PM.doc --> Petition to PMs Office

[svm]

I send it in e-mail to the ministry

[krishmunn]

Hi,

The letter is good. There is a small correction in facts. "Indians who have completed the mandated 10 years and who are not permanent residents or citizens the law can easily be changed to disallow them to get these benefits when they retire". As of now, if an Indian does not hold a permenant resident card, 40 points in SS is down the drain and the money paid to SS is treated as right to work. This is what the customer service guy at SSA told me few weeks ago. The point is, the existing laws alreadys disallows these benefits.

This is not correct.
Per existing SSA rules, one can claim SS benefits irrespective of citizenship or Green Card (you obviously need 40 credit to claim) . You are entitled to it no matter where you are (except for a few countries) .

Check the International Section of ssa website for this --- http://ssa.gov/pubs/10137.html

[ganguteli]

I send it in e-mail to the ministry

And you think someone will read your email?

The Lower Division Clerk will see your email, hit the delete button and go for Chai.

You think by sending the email, the Minister will read it and respond to you pronto because you are in US of A?
Your own lawyer you pay for filing your application and your own desi employer does not answer your emails, and you think your Minister will answer your email? Huh.
Do you really know how difficult it is to even get a meeting with a minister in India for 1 minute? Do you know how difficult it is to get any work done?
If you care so much about your SS, why don't you make a trip to India and meet the minister in person for it?

I am surprised the high skilled community thinks that sending emails will get them grencard, social security money and what not.

Stop being email commandos.

[Winner]

And you think someone will read your email?

The Lower Division Clerk will see your email, hit the delete button and go for Chai.

You think by sending the email, the Minister will read it and respond to you pronto because you are in US of A?
Your own lawyer you pay for filing your application and your own desi employer does not answer your emails, and you think your Minister will answer your email? Huh.
Do you really know how difficult it is to even get a meeting with a minister in India for 1 minute? Do you know how difficult it is to get any work done?
If you care so much about your SS, why don't you make a trip to India and meet the minister in person for it?

I am surprised the high skilled community thinks that sending emails will get them grencard, social security money and what not.

Stop being email commandos.


Gangu, If you don't know this yet....

You don't have to respond to every post in IV forums since you are a member.

[gc28262]

And you think someone will read your email?

The Lower Division Clerk will see your email, hit the delete button and go for Chai.

You think by sending the email, the Minister will read it and respond to you pronto because you are in US of A?
Your own lawyer you pay for filing your application and your own desi employer does not answer your emails, and you think your Minister will answer your email? Huh.
Do you really know how difficult it is to even get a meeting with a minister in India for 1 minute? Do you know how difficult it is to get any work done?
If you care so much about your SS, why don't you make a trip to India and meet the minister in person for it?

I am surprised the high skilled community thinks that sending emails will get them grencard, social security money and what not.

Stop being email commandos.

ganguteli (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/members/ganguteli.html),

What is your point ? If we rest on our ass and do nothing, will these issues take care of itself ? ;)

[ganguteli]

ganguteli (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/members/ganguteli.html),

What is your point ? If we rest on our ass and do nothing, will these issues take care of itself ? ;)

When you tell the raw truth, people feel offended.

They talk about influencing Indian Government but want to do it via email as if the government will value their emails.

If you canot go to India, at least form a team and go to Indian embassey and meet the ambassador in person. Let us see how many will be willing to spend their own money, vacation and time to do it.

What I am saying is that it is very easy to sit and send emails and think that you have done your part by sending a junk email from a fake ID and now the problem will be solved. But try to do more than send email.

[gc28262]

When you tell the raw truth, people feel offended.

They talk about influencing Indian Government but want to do it via email as if the government will value their emails.

If you canot go to India, at least form a team and go to Indian embassey and meet the ambassador in person. Let us see how many will be willing to spend their own money, vacation and time to do it.

What I am saying is that it is very easy to sit and send emails and think that you have done your part by sending a junk email from a fake ID and now the problem will be solved. But try to do more than send email.

Going in person and meeting ministers will be the best thing to do. But contacting these ministries via Emails, faxes, snail mail etc will have its impact to a lesser degree.

Indian government started the "Totalization Agreements" effort without us requesting anything. So Indian government has a vested interest in pursuing this agenda. All we need to do is give a push via face-to-face meetings, snail mail, email etc.

[pani_6]

NRI minister V Ravi responded to the email I sent and told that the issue is being looked at :)

[addsf345]

How about writing to Edvige Antonia Albina Maino? as some say, currently the most powerful indian on earth.

so what's harm if we can also email request to her??? some one should be able to find email address for 10 Janpath.

[gc28262]

NRI minister V Ravi responded to the email I sent and told that the issue is being looked at :)

Emailed Vayalar Ravi and Faxed PM's office.