CIR Plans coming out Tomorrow

[lifestrikes]

Read this at Greg Siskind's Blog - Gutierrez to unveil cir plan (http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2009/10/large-march-tomorrow-gutierrez-to-unveil- cir-plan.html)

[ras]

removed the space and it should work now.
Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy: LARGE MARCH TOMORROW; GUTIERREZ TO UNVEIL CIR PLAN (http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2009/10/large-march-tomorrow-gutierrez-to-unveil-cir-plan.html)

[GCperm]

Nice Post...

Lets keep fingers crossed.

Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy: LARGE MARCH TOMORROW; GUTIERREZ TO UNVEIL CIR PLAN (http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2009/10/large-march-tomorrow-gutierrez-to-unveil-cir-plan.html)

[jungalee43]

CIR principles as laid out by Rep. Gutierrez. His views on EB immigration look very promising.: -

Rep. Luis Gutierrez > Press Release > Gutierrez Outlines Core Principles for a New Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill (http://luisgutierrez.house.gov/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=1399)

Another GOP senator open to healthcare overhaul: -

Another GOP senator open to health overhaul - Health care reform- msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33308113/ns/politics-health_care_reform)

If healthcare reform passes, then President will gain a lot of political capital and I am sure it will improve his approval ratings. This will be good for CIR passage.

[belmontboy]

CIR principles as laid out by Rep. Gutierrez. His views on EB immigration look very promising.: -


Could you care to elaborate what exactly his views are on EB immigration???

[vinzak]

I have a feeling that under democrats CIR is going to be all about getting illegal immigrants legalized. That's what Guittierez's speeches have been about. He hasn't mentioned one thing about skilled immigrants or competitiveness.

Even if he decides to remove nationality based caps on EB, that will be of no use to us since USCIS will be swamped with applications from illegal immigrants, and our cases will be kept on the back burner.

Maybe all these years have made me a pessimist, but I see CIR as a lose-lose for those of us who have our 485s filed but are in retrogression.

[GCQuest2009]

All this seems quite promising but ultimately what matters is the ground reality at the end of the day. Nov visa bulletin did not show any movement in EB2 India category. Politicians have been talking about immigration reforms for a long time. But untill something concrete is done it is all mere talk. Let's wait and see if this changes anything. Honestly in this kind of economy where Americans are not having jobs improving immigration system to benifit aliens seems to be a long shot...

[go_guy123]

I have a feeling that under democrats CIR is going to be all about getting illegal immigrants legalized. That's what Guittierez's speeches have been about. He hasn't mentioned one thing about skilled immigrants or competitiveness.

Even if he decides to remove nationality based caps on EB, that will be of no use to us since USCIS will be swamped with applications from illegal immigrants, and our cases will be kept on the back burner.

Maybe all these years have made me a pessimist, but I see CIR as a lose-lose for those of us who have our 485s filed but are in retrogression.

Don't worry...in the past CIR was dead on arrival. It will never pass given the political dynamics in the Congress. It can and has passed the Senate in the past. In the Congress which runs on local (grass-roots) issues, CIR is politically toxic. Democratic party will lose the Congress (they will lose a lot of independent voters i.e swing voters ) if they pass CIR against Republican opposition.

Note: Guittierez is the caucus member that is holding EB reform hostage to CIR. he gives a damn about EB reform.

[gmpa]

We need active support from lobbies of Employers and American citizens of Indian, Chinese,Mexican and other countries origin. Most of the politicians care about vote banks and funding. Why should they care about non-citizens without voting right and money-power unless citizens and US companies lend their support? Illegal issue is gaining momentum not because the illegals are lobbying by themselves but because House Hispanic Caucus and citizens of Hispanic heritage including celebrities are voicing their active support. Employers will not come forward at this stage of economic downturn and I doubt about Americans of Indian/Chinese origin unless they are convinced. Indian nuclear deal last year had this kind of support to succeed.
Last proposed CIR had very little positive for us. If I recall right, some were negative.
I do not know the details of new proposed CIR and not too optimistic about it.

IV is trying their best and we hope to see better days with their leadership.

[go_guy123]

We need active support from lobbies of Employers and American citizens of Indian, Chinese,Mexican and other countries origin. Most of the politicians care about vote banks and funding. Why should they care about non-citizens without voting right and money-power unless citizens and US companies lend their support? Illegal issue is gaining momentum not because the illegals are lobbying by themselves but because House Hispanic Caucus and citizens of Hispanic heritage including celebrities are voicing their active support. Employers will not come forward at this stage of economic downturn and I doubt about Americans of Indian/Chinese origin unless they are convinced. Indian nuclear deal last year had this kind of support to succeed.
Last proposed CIR had very little positive for us. If I recall right, some were negative.
I do not know the details of new proposed CIR and not too optimistic about it.

IV is trying their best and we hope to see better days with their leadership.

Yes IV is doing a good job and their efforts will bear fruits once the CIR strategy is abandoned and piecemeal is adopted (I believe eventually it will be adopted, dont know when)

[jungalee43]

Future Flows of workers: -
"Our country attracts the best and brightest and the hardest workers from around the globe. That is a source of strength. But our current employment-based immigration laws are often at odds with the needs of our labor market and our economy. Many of our guest worker programs are badly broken, and they undermine workers’ rights. At the same time, our visa quotas are determined by politics, not by labor and economic need. My plan will create an employment-based visa system that is fair to workers and employers. It will ensure full labor rights for all workers, and it will create a commission to align visa numbers with actual labor market demands and economic needs, not political winds."


Could you care to elaborate what exactly his views are on EB immigration???

[ebizash]

Future Flows of workers: -
"Our country attracts the best and brightest and the hardest workers from around the globe. That is a source of strength. But our current employment-based immigration laws are often at odds with the needs of our labor market and our economy. Many of our guest worker programs are badly broken, and they undermine workers’ rights. At the same time, our visa quotas are determined by politics, not by labor and economic need. My plan will create an employment-based visa system that is fair to workers and employers. It will ensure full labor rights for all workers, and it will create a commission to align visa numbers with actual labor market demands and economic needs, not political winds."

Haven't we debated this commission to death in the past that this commission setup will be more harmful than it will be helpful to us. Am I missing something here?

[vinzak]

Future Flows of workers: -
"Our country attracts the best and brightest and the hardest workers from around the globe. That is a source of strength. But our current employment-based immigration laws are often at odds with the needs of our labor market and our economy. Many of our guest worker programs are badly broken, and they undermine workers’ rights. At the same time, our visa quotas are determined by politics, not by labor and economic need. My plan will create an employment-based visa system that is fair to workers and employers. It will ensure full labor rights for all workers, and it will create a commission to align visa numbers with actual labor market demands and economic needs, not political winds."

I don't think he's talking about us here. Compared to 12 million illegal workers, 120k high-tech workers are hardly a labor issue.

[micofrost]

I don't think he's talking about us here. Compared to 12 million illegal workers, 120k high-tech workers are hardly a labor issue.

CIR is not for us. I wont be surprised if behind the curtain deals of making it a reality will mean screwing more the EB category. Look how he says "it should be based on economic reality". Economic reality is, we do not need more EB visas. Thats what his statement really means. Rather sqeeze it and divert the visa numbers to more emerging technologies like bio-tech, research holders etc.. etc.. Even an ordinary PhD wont help if you are not engaged in a research program.
He is more interested in uniting the families. Now thats for getting the conservative republicans to his side.

As of now, the senator is trying to woo the mexicans. Thats a major swing factor.

[go_guy123]

Dems face uphill climb on immigration - TheHill.com (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/62961-democrats-face-uphill-climb-on-immigration)

Gutierrez himself is admitting it is uphill task.

[krish2005]

It will not go anywhere. Given the plight of healthcare where they will be beating a dead goat to death again and again. CIR will be another dead horse before it moves any further.

Pessimistic: We are destined to be left lingering around looking for rays of hope on dates moving forward.
Optimistic : Some miracles do happen like eb2/eb3 being current on a given day when you wake up
Most optimistic: Eb2/eb3 is current as of now :D

All the best to Gutierrez in his vote bank gathering efforts. He has to stand by his side of voters who voted him in.

But for us be it CIR or non-CIR we are in a leaking boat and its ready to sink.

[go_guy123]

It will not go anywhere. Given the plight of healthcare where they will be beating a dead goat to death again and again. CIR will be another dead horse before it moves any further.

Pessimistic: We are destined to be left lingering around looking for rays of hope on dates moving forward.
Optimistic : Some miracles do happen like eb2/eb3 being current on a given day when you wake up
Most optimistic: Eb2/eb3 is current as of now :D

All the best to Gutierrez in his vote bank gathering efforts. He has to stand by his side of voters who voted him in.

But for us be it CIR or non-CIR we are in a leaking boat and its ready to sink.


krish2005, with a PD of 2007 and EB3-I, I cannot understand why your are wasting precious years of your life and forgoing career growth by staying on H1B.

[krish2005]

krish2005, with a PD of 2007 and EB3-I, I cannot understand why your are wasting precious years of your life and forgoing career growth by staying on H1B.


----- Krish2005 wrote

Somehow we need to survive on our H1B which is dependent on our current eB%.

What I am worried is about the GC boat for Eb3/Eb2 hopefuls which is leaking because of political goofs. That does not deter me/you from being on H1b unless its denied. So do not bother discuss on why we waste precious years being on H1b.

The only concern of this topic will be to share our views on GC/EB2/EB3

[dummgelauft]

CIR principles as laid out by Rep. Gutierrez. His views on EB immigration look very promising.: -

Rep. Luis Gutierrez > Press Release > Gutierrez Outlines Core Principles for a New Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill (http://luisgutierrez.house.gov/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=1399)

Another GOP senator open to healthcare overhaul: -

Another GOP senator open to health overhaul - Health care reform- msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33308113/ns/politics-health_care_reform)

If healthcare reform passes, then President will gain a lot of political capital and I am sure it will improve his approval ratings. This will be good for CIR passage.


he(guttierez) is talking about "aligning EB flows with economic reality"...what part of this sounds "promising" to you?....if anyting, we (EB applicants) will be doubly screwed if this guys gets what he wants...
our ONLY hope is ...RE-BLOODY-CAPTURE.

[jungalee43]

The congressman in his press release says "align visa numbers with actual labor market demands and economic needs, not political winds." I fail to understand what is wrong here. In fact that paragraph begins with "best and brightest and the hardest workers". Obviously it is about us and NOT about un-documented.
I don't want to get into any debate on that proposed commission. But if there is a mechanism that aligns or adjusts visa number as per market demand, how is it going to hurt us? The eonomic reality is a constantly changing situation. So they cannot refer to October 2008 as the economic benchmark for their discussions. DOW already closed above 10000 today. Economy would be in a even better shape (though not best) if they start disucssing Immigration early next year.
I don't understand why this is read in negative context. I see positive signs that they are at least talking about de-linking visa numbers from politics. If that happens we all (as well as those who are in universities today) would be better off in coming days (years may be).
And if this press release is purely political language, then I apologize. I don't understand US politics as good as many others on this forum.

[matreen]

he(guttierez) is talking about "aligning EB flows with economic reality"...what part of this sounds "promising" to you?....if anyting, we (EB applicants) will be doubly screwed if this guys gets what he wants...
our ONLY hope is ...RE-BLOODY-CAPTURE.

I agree - there nothing will come for EB folks here.....nobody specifically talking about legal immigration reform but illegal.

We need to stand up and do take the rally to DC the way family based guys are doing now...we need IV help and advice to come up with a plan.

[vinzak]

The congressman in his press release says "align visa numbers with actual labor market demands and economic needs, not political winds." I fail to understand what is wrong here. In fact that paragraph begins with "best and brightest and the hardest workers". Obviously it is about us and NOT about un-documented.

You flatter way too easily jung :)

The equation is very simple.

On the illegal immigrant side:
1) 12 million immigrants
2) 20 million latino voters
3) Various churches looking to increase their numbers

On the skilled immigrant side
1) 200k non-voters
2) A few corporations who have been laying-off right left and center and have lost the right to say America needs these highly skilled workers.
3) Toyota and Honda dealerships

We are totally irrelevant in the larger immigration context, regardless of what the words might be. The only way we can be relevant is through piecemeal legislations that address us in partiicular.

You only have to look at CIR 2007 to understand this. That bill was geared towards elimination of family reunification. Yet a mexican farmworker with a US citizen sibling would have had way more points than an Indian Phd in silicon valley, and thus would be a more preferential immigrant.

This time the reform is geared towards family reunification and legalization. So unless you have US citizen siblings and are an illegal immigrant Hyperion expert, this bill is not for you.

As much as Bush screwed this country in the past 8 yrs, he was a true friend of India and Indians. Unfortunately, this president isn't.

[smuggymba]

I have asked this before also but what if I tear my H1-B and stand in the illegal line? I'm sure there will be no bar on which employer an illegal works for.

If I can get some "Z" visa because I'm an illegal, I can work with any company or will there be an employer restriction thing if all illegals are made legal and given GCs. Will this "Z" visa have less restrictions that "H1-B" or "L1".

Is it a big deal if 12 million ppl become legal from illegal or 12.5 (500K for ppl like us)?

[vinzak]

That's why they have biometrics. They will determine that you have been legal all this while and deport you for trying to cover up your legality.

[gvenkat]

That's why they have biometrics. They will determine that you have been legal all this while and deport you for trying to cover up your legality.

You made my day. That was funny. :D

[gvenkat]

I have asked this before also but what if I tear my H1-B and stand in the illegal line? I'm sure there will be no bar on which employer an illegal works for.

If I can get some "Z" visa because I'm an illegal, I can work with any company or will there be an employer restriction thing if all illegals are made legal and given GCs. Will this "Z" visa have less restrictions that "H1-B" or "L1".

Is it a big deal if 12 million ppl become legal from illegal or 12.5 (500K for ppl like us)?

Even if u tear it u will still be on H-1 according to the USCIS. It's tough to become illegal unless u resign ur job and stay here.. :p