IV update: CIR 2009 bill Text

[pappu]

Here are some good provisions -

* Increase in visa limit from 140,000 to 290,000
* Visa recapture
* Increase of per-country limit in employment based category from 7% to 10%
* Effective date is within 60 day of the enactment of this act
* Exemption for STEM graduates from EB visa number
* Exemption for dependents from EB visa number
* Filing I-485 when the visa number is not available (with $500 fee)

Very bad sections

* No removal of per country limits on EB category
* Formation of commission for employment based green cards - 498 page
* Durbin-Grassley anti high skilled immigration bill -525

See full text of the bill here http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/images/f/f8/Rep_Gutierrez_CIR2009.pdf

[vikki76]

Good summary. Thanks for posting this

[ronhira]

thanks for posting the bill ....... but don't get fooled by the good provisions......

y does it make me feel that someone against eb visa wrote this bill....... look carefully for the commission thingy & durbin grassley...... if there is no one here to get eb green card b'coz everyone will be thrown out..... how will it help even if green card number is increased to 500 million....... look carefully into commission part & the durbin grassley part before supporting this bill......

i'd say v should oppose this bill...... & call to give gutierrez piece of our mind...... asking him to make changes to his bill.......

[jediknight]

Very bad sections

* No removal of per country limits on EB category
* Formation of commission for employment based green cards - 498 page
* Durbin-Grassley anti high skilled immigration bill -525

See full text of the bill here http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/images/f/f8/Rep_Gutierrez_CIR2009.pdf


Let's work with House and Senate members to make sure these sections get removed. We need to make a good case to the American people why these sections are bad.

- Jk

[psaxena]

I just read the bill, except for the crackdown on the H1b and L1 there is nothing anti against the EB category.

Please explain if I missed anything.

thanks for posting the bill ....... but don't get fooled by the good provisions......

y does it make me feel that someone against eb visa wrote this bill....... look carefully for the commission thingy & durbin grassley...... if there is no one here to get eb green card b'coz everyone will be thrown out..... how will it help even if green card number is increased to 500 million....... look carefully into commission part & the durbin grassley part before supporting this bill......

i'd say v should oppose this bill...... & call to give gutierrez piece of our mind...... asking him to make changes to his bill.......

[mundada]

If CIR ASAP fails then does IV have any indication from senators, congressmen or lobbyists that EB specific provisions will be taken?

Biggest reason for failure will be timing. Health care is less controversial and it is still being dragged. Republicans have recently won couple of seats and states, and will want to utilize every opportunity to blame Obama & Co. for high unemployment (current effective unemployment is 17%). Obama's approval rating is not only falling but falling fast. Hence, all his recent cries of "big fat bankers" and blah blah. So Democrats will want to play safe for next year's elections, and avoid any hot topic that may gift Congress to Republicans next year.

In all practical sense, it looks as if CIR ASAP may soon become CIR NNCL (Not Now Come Later).

[gc_check]

Thanks for the updates. Good summary on provisions. Also not sure why Formation of commission for employment based green card is high lighted as bad, Would it not be good to have an officials panel review this and provide recommendation, so this might help future GC aspirants if the number of visa's are adjusted based on recommendation, etc... so they don't have to go this again.. just my opinion. Good job IV.

[TeddyKoochu]

Here are some good provisions -

* Increase in visa limit from 140,000 to 290,000
* Visa recapture
* Increase of per-country limit in employment based category from 7% to 10%
* Effective date is within 60 day of the enactment of this act
* Exemption for STEM graduates from EB visa number
* Exemption for dependents from EB visa number
* Filing I-485 when the visa number is not available (with $500 fee)

Very bad sections

* No removal of per country limits on EB category
* Formation of commission for employment based green cards - 498 page
* Durbin-Grassley anti high skilled immigration bill -525

See full text of the bill here http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/images/f/f8/Rep_Gutierrez_CIR2009.pdf

Pappu big thanks for the effort in compiling this excellent summary. The bill certainly has some very good provisions.

[ch102]

This legislation is not going to go anywhere. It was introduced in order to keep pressure on the administration to move forward on CIR. In fact, it will likely do more harm that good. It is a "liberal" bill in that it provides generous amnesty benefits with only limited border security provisions. It is going to draw a lot of fire and help right wingers organize against all immigration legislation.

One of the reasons Schumer and Lofgren have held off on introducing their bill was to keep this very thing from happening. Now, we have a proposal that feeds the anti-immigration biases of the crazies and allows them to get their troops organized. This will make it just that much harder for the administration's CIR bill to move forward."

http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/p...

[140jibjab]

Ok this CIR is not going to go anywhere. It was not even part of Obama Election promise.

Even though It was part of Bush's election mandate and it did not get done for 8 years.

I know there is "We have to do something" kind of thought.

Why would/What is there for the Senate/House to work on this Bill----NOTHING......

[eyeswe]

I have to agree. May be that is because I jumped directly to the page related to Durban Grassley bill. But it seems like we are getting nothing much in terms of EB improvements and yet loosing a lot more on the H1B side. I am all of lawful filing, application and practice of H1B visa stipulations, but remember H1B is the spigot that controls the number of EB filings and future employment opportunites for those coming to this country behind us. We should be careful, in the garb of better EB provisions (or so on paper), that future employment visas to highly skilled immigrants are not made so painful that companies automatically turn down any opportunity to recruit them especially in non-IT fields.Guys let us not close the door behind our back. Oppose vigorosuly any unjust restrictions on H1B





thanks for posting the bill ....... but don't get fooled by the good provisions......

y does it make me feel that someone against eb visa wrote this bill....... look carefully for the commission thingy & durbin grassley...... if there is no one here to get eb green card b'coz everyone will be thrown out..... how will it help even if green card number is increased to 500 million....... look carefully into commission part & the durbin grassley part before supporting this bill......

i'd say v should oppose this bill...... & call to give gutierrez piece of our mind...... asking him to make changes to his bill.......

[joydiptac]

Good point! EB immigration is what makes this great country even better.
As it is manufacturing has left US Shores, Other white collar jobs are on the way out... going to cheaper places in this flat world. So if the door closes on fresh brilliant minds intellectual capital growth will be hindered. Hey lets keep the good stuff flowing.

I cant believe President Obama or for that matter any American wanting this country to thrive will allow something that hinders growth to pass.


I have to agree. May be that is because I jumped directly to the page related to Durban Grassley bill. But it seems like we are getting nothing much in terms of EB improvements and yet loosing a lot more on the H1B side. I am all of lawful filing, application and practice of H1B visa stipulations, but remember H1B is the spigot that controls the number of EB filings and future employment opportunites for those coming to this country behind us. We should be careful, in the garb of better EB provisions (or so on paper), that future employment visas to highly skilled immigrants are not made so painful that companies automatically turn down any opportunity to recruit them especially in non-IT fields.Guys let us not close the door behind our back. Oppose vigorosuly any unjust restrictions on H1B

[crazyghoda]

I think that must be the bargain struck between Durbin/Grassley and Guiterrez & Co. We'll let u have your numbers now and in return we turn the tap off for the future. So in other words, raise the EB cap all you want. There just wont be anyone to claim it since we'll shut off the H1/L1 visas at the entry point. Smart politics.

Side Related Rant: If it wasnt for these few desi bodyshoppers flouting the H1B rules and completely abusing the system, it wouldnt have come to this where now its likely to be (almost) shut down for all.


I have to agree. May be that is because I jumped directly to the page related to Durban Grassley bill. But it seems like we are getting nothing much in terms of EB improvements and yet loosing a lot more on the H1B side. I am all of lawful filing, application and practice of H1B visa stipulations, but remember H1B is the spigot that controls the number of EB filings and future employment opportunites for those coming to this country behind us. We should be careful, in the garb of better EB provisions (or so on paper), that future employment visas to highly skilled immigrants are not made so painful that companies automatically turn down any opportunity to recruit them especially in non-IT fields.Guys let us not close the door behind our back. Oppose vigorosuly any unjust restrictions on H1B

[shantanup]

Side Related Rant: If it wasnt for these few desi bodyshoppers flouting the H1B rules and completely abusing the system, it wouldnt have come to this where now its likely to be (almost) shut down for all.

Can't agree more!

[letstalklc]

Good summary, thanks for posting.

It would be great if they keep per country elimination in it.

[dummgelauft]

Can't agree more!

Negotiate with Sen. Guttierez to include this "Immediate Approval of I-485 for a person who helps uncover and turn in a fraudster desi body-shopper".... :-)

These fraudsters will close shop and run away faster than you can say Mississippi..or..shall we say Brahmputra....

[Positive]

Thanks Pappu for the update.

It looks like these provisions will help us out of this mess. Some of us will be affected directly, some others indirectly. It will have a positive impact on all of us who are stuck in immigration backlog. Eliminating per country limit is hard to fly due to its consequence on population diversity.

Let us have a realistic idea of what can and what cannot be achieved. May be a good idea to work will all pro immigration groups on issues we can work together. One thing for sure - there will not be any legal only relief. It will be a CIR if it happens.

It is time to start a grass root level approach in mobilizing resources. Let us not fall into the divide and fail trap.

Keep up the good work

[joydiptac]

Can't agree more!

In a growing economy with plenty of jobs these desi body shoppers where supposed to have brought in competition. Now in a bad economy they have become punch bags. :D Sure... They are the ones who created this super mess for us.
Never worked for a Desi Bodyshopper though, it still is funny how we react based on our own interest. If any of our jobs are in jeopardy the Desi companies may be the fall back option. Want to see who complains that time. :D

[shantanup]

In a growing economy with plenty of jobs these desi body shoppers where supposed to have brought in competition. Now in a bad economy they have become punch bags. :D Sure... They are the ones who created this super mess for us.
Never worked for a Desi Bodyshopper though, it still is funny how we react based on our own interest. If any of our jobs are in jeopardy the Desi companies may be the fall back option. Want to see who complains that time. :D

Show me a Desi Bodyshopper who hires chemical engineers (or for tah matter anyone other than IT background) so that I can have a "fall back" option. The world is not comprised of only IT engineers.

[kate123]

Side Related Rant: If it wasnt for these few desi bodyshoppers flouting the H1B rules and completely abusing the system, it wouldnt have come to this where now its likely to be (almost) shut down for all.


come on.. get in to some real useful discussion... i am sick of these kind of replies... every one knows that bodshoppers are abusing the system.. u don't have to mention this...

[dummgelauft]

Show me a Desi Bodyshopper who hires chemical engineers (or for tah matter anyone other than IT background) so that I can have a "fall back" option. The world is not comprised of only IT engineers.

..and please show me one that hires aerospace engineers...I might need a fall back option too...
the world is not composed of IT people alone...

[sandy_anand]

Show me a Desi Bodyshopper who hires chemical engineers (or for tah matter anyone other than IT background) so that I can have a "fall back" option. The world is not comprised of only IT engineers.

True, but IMHO, that's no reason to bunch all "desi" bodyshoppers in the same category just because non-IT professions don't hire contractors. Generalizations are almost always a fallacy (that statement was "almost" a generalization! :D) BTW, I'm not an IT programmer.

[gcisadawg]

Show me a Desi Bodyshopper who hires chemical engineers (or for tah matter anyone other than IT background) so that I can have a "fall back" option. The world is not comprised of only IT engineers.

Body shoppers don't really care about one's educational background as long as its B.E or MCA or M.Sc.... ( to satisfy four year requirements)..

However, they do insist on two year experience working in a software company.

Note: What I mentioned was the scenario in 1999/2000.....Things might have changed since then..

[sameer2730]

.. a lot of large consulting companies operate no different from body shoppers. Coming to public forum and saying things like "desi" body shoppers and deriding them is firstly unjust to a vast majority of those who are legitimate and secondly only hurts our cause.

If you had a bad experience with any consulting company be careful about venting it out here. Its just washing dirty linen and it hurts everyone. BTW I work for a American company.

[iamgsprabhu]

I am on a EAD, got laid off from my work.

I got a job ?, but asking to work on 1099 i.e. independent with the client.

So, my question is can I work independently with the client on EAD or should I have to go thru a consulting company?

what are my options ?

Thanks
regards

[jediknight]

.. a lot of large consulting companies operate no different from body shoppers. Coming to public forum and saying things like "desi" body shoppers and deriding them is firstly unjust to a vast majority of those who are legitimate and secondly only hurts our cause.

If you had a bad experience with any consulting company be careful about venting it out here. Its just washing dirty linen and it hurts everyone. BTW I work for a American company.

There are always going to be companies who are willing to screw the employees. The color of the skin of the employer does NOT matter :)

[nmdial]

Here are some good provisions -

* Increase in visa limit from 140,000 to 290,000
* Visa recapture
* Increase of per-country limit in employment based category from 7% to 10%
* Effective date is within 60 day of the enactment of this act
* Exemption for STEM graduates from EB visa number
* Exemption for dependents from EB visa number
* Filing I-485 when the visa number is not available (with $500 fee)

Very bad sections

* No removal of per country limits on EB category
* Formation of commission for employment based green cards - 498 page
* Durbin-Grassley anti high skilled immigration bill -525

See full text of the bill here http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/images/f/f8/Rep_Gutierrez_CIR2009.pdf

Pappu,
Thanks a lot for the update. I went through the text (visa reforms) and it seems to me that the bill is actually one step closer to the realization of our goals even if there is no removal of country quota. I may be being optimistic here, but I think Durbin-Grassley clause won't go too far. Formation of commission is not a bad idea because one of the functions of the commission would be to collect, analyze, and publish data regarding the impact of employment based immigration
1. at the national, regional, state, and local levels;
2. within industries and business sectors;
3. on occupation and occupational levels;
4. on small business; and
5. on employment and unemployment levels
This would enable the lawmakers to get a quantitative assessment of the impact of EB immigrants and hopefully reinforce that we do make a positive contribution to the United States. Also, when the assessment of current and anticipated supply of skilled and unskilled labor is done, it is a fair game to the American citizens. The fact that there is a provision for visa recapture and exemption of US graduates and spouses from the quota, helps our cause a lot. Next step would be to get as many people to meet the lawmakers as we can in order to ensure that some of the good stuff in the current bill stays that way.

[sandy_anand]

.. a lot of large consulting companies operate no different from body shoppers. Coming to public forum and saying things like "desi" body shoppers and deriding them is firstly unjust to a vast majority of those who are legitimate and secondly only hurts our cause.

If you had a bad experience with any consulting company be careful about venting it out here. Its just washing dirty linen and it hurts everyone. BTW I work for a American company.

Well said, Sameer!

[ArkBird]

Visa reforms on cards in the US?-Software & Services-News-Indiatimes - Infotech (http://infotech.indiatimes.com/news/software-services/Visa-reforms-on-cards-in-the-US/articleshow/5351833.cms)

[Leo07]

These guys are quoting InformationWeek:)
Visa reforms on cards in the US?-Software & Services-News-Indiatimes - Infotech (http://infotech.indiatimes.com/news/software-services/Visa-reforms-on-cards-in-the-US/articleshow/5351833.cms)