Feb VB is out !!!

[amitga]

Visa Bulletin for February 2010 (http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4611.html)


1st C C C C C
2nd C 22MAY05 22JAN05 C C
3rd 22SEP02 22SEP02 22JUN01 01JUL02 22SEP02

No Change for EB2-I or EB3-I.

[krish2005]

Visa Bulletin for February 2010 (http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4611.html)


1st C C C C C
2nd C 22MAY05 22JAN05 C C
3rd 22SEP02 22SEP02 22JUN01 01JUL02 22SEP02


Thanks bro.

We are in the same old state. :eek:

[letstalklc]

Thanks for posting

Yes, no hopes at all.

Looks like nothing gonna change till august for any movement...

[miceelf88]

Bartely any movement for ROW either. How does the visa bulletin move to the state projected in the Jan bulletin.

Does anyone know whether State's fiscal year ends in June or September?

[TeddyKoochu]

Visa Bulletin for February 2010 (http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4611.html)


1st C C C C C
2nd C 22MAY05 22JAN05 C C
3rd 22SEP02 22SEP02 22JUN01 01JUL02 22SEP02

No Change for EB2-I or EB3-I.

Thanks for posting, only hope for movement seems to be in the last quarter. However lets not give up, we should be hopeful and something good will happen in the last quarter.

[sunny1000]

Bartely any movement for ROW either. How does the visa bulletin move to the state projected in the Jan bulletin.

Does anyone know whether State's fiscal year ends in June or September?

It ends in Sept. Oct is the start of new fiscal year for the Fed gov.

[bfadlia]

They moved from 8/1/2002 to 9/22/2002.
According to the I485 inventory they published, there is what.. 400 cases between these two date, why only move 400 cases per month = 4800 per year when the annual quota for EB3 ROW is what.. around 30,000?
Never mind the spillover, can ROW just get its normal quota at least?

[Almond]

SO CLOSE, OH, SO CLOSE!! :D

Ok, I'm out of tears. This is just pathetic now.

[Almond]

They moved from 8/1/2002 to 9/22/2002.
According to the I485 inventory they published, there is what.. 400 cases between these two date, why only move 400 cases per month = 4800 per year when the annual quota for EB3 ROW is what.. around 30,000?
Never mind the spillover, can ROW just get its normal quota at least?

Yeah, exactly, that's what I don't get either. We know it's not a huge amount of cases they've got in that time frame, so what is the slowdown. This is maddening.

[dilber]

Did any one else notice they took out the section "D" where they usually give explanation about future movements or lack of current Movements.

[GC_1000Watt]

I believe it will be the same old story. They will wait till last quarter and then will waste thousands of visa numbers because of their darn slow processing hands and we people will again start talking optimism from Oct 2010.
What happened to the IV's talk with USCICS on spillover policies? Does anybody know?

[InTheMoment]

They have not wasted visa numbers in the past 3 years so you can cut that out !

[GC_1000Watt]

All the wasted numbers can be recaptured when recapture bill passes!!!!

Do you think it will happen in near future? I seriously dont think so.

[immi_seeker]

I believe it will be the same old story. They will wait till last quarter and then will waste thousands of visa numbers because of their darn slow processing hands and we people will again start talking optimism from Oct 2010.
What happened to the IV's talk with USCICS on spillover policies? Does anybody know?

That seems to be the way where this is heading. Would this be another july fiasco?.

[krish2005]

That seems to be the way where this is heading. Would this be another july fiasco?.

Wishful thinking bro. But I dont think we will get another window like that any soon.

With the trend maybe 2017 we might have current. :p

No harm meant. peace...

[a1b2c3]

That seems to be the way where this is heading. Would this be another july fiasco?.

pray that such things never happen in future. eb3-i will never walk again, if it happens. its a recipe for disaster.

[eastindia]

This shows that the backlog is more than the numbers on USCIS website. People need to stop wasting time on tracking and spend time in their office work. Backlog means more business money for lawyers and trackers. IV is very small. Unless IV had hundreds of thousands of members, they cannot do lobbying like AILA or Microsoft. EB3 India and now EB3ROW is in a pitiable state. All those EB3ROW who used to be happy will now see the reality. Thank god I ported to EB2 but the dates for EB2 do not move enough. I think anyone who can should port to EB2 ASAP. This is the only solution.

[hiralal]

I believe it will be the same old story. They will wait till last quarter and then will waste thousands of visa numbers because of their darn slow processing hands and we people will again start talking optimism from Oct 2010.
What happened to the IV's talk with USCICS on spillover policies? Does anybody know?
my thoughts exactly - they are just relaxing till summer season !! and maybe they will make the dates current in last quarter too - this means more mess but more $$$$ for them.
time to make plan B = plan A. and plan C = plan B.
my plan C -- make more money, save more and buy less with eventual return to home country if needed !!

[GC_1000Watt]

This shows that the backlog is more than the numbers on USCIS website. People need to stop wasting time on tracking and spend time in their office work. Backlog means more business money for lawyers and trackers. IV is very small. Unless IV had hundreds of thousands of members, they cannot do lobbying like AILA or Microsoft. EB3 India and now EB3ROW is in a pitiable state. All those EB3ROW who used to be happy will now see the reality. Thank god I ported to EB2 but the dates for EB2 do not move enough. I think anyone who can should port to EB2 ASAP. This is the only solution.

You're right. No offence but no authority seems to be listening to IV suggestions. I agree that people at IV are doing great job, but the problem is nobody is listening. They just don't care. And this think will go on & on. I remember s'body suggesting hunger strike and at that point of time I thought that won't work. But now it seems we have to go extreme and do hunger strike and stuff to pressurize this crappy system.
EB3 people don't think I am being selfish here. The truth is we have to work unitely and pressurize for visa recapture. That will be beneficial for e'body.
Lets target the 'Asses' asking for a kick. Let's all kick ass.

[kumarc123]

You're right. No offence but no authority seems to be listening to IV suggestions. I agree that people at IV are doing great job, but the problem is nobody is listening. They just don't care. And this think will go on & on. I remember s'body suggesting hunger strike and at that point of time I thought that won't work. But now it seems we have to go extreme and do hunger strike and stuff to pressurize this crappy system.
EB3 people don't think I am being selfish here. The truth is we have to work unitely and pressurize for visa recapture. That will be beneficial for e'body.
Lets target the 'Asses' asking for a kick. Let's all kick ass.

I totally agree with you, I used to visit IV a lot, but was just disappointed with the results from some of its members. Not to blame IV core team, but other members who would just come and read blogs. Specially EAD holder's, I hope their eyes are opening up to new realities. Yesterday, my sister in law entered USA from Newark Airport and she witnessed three people holding HIB visas get cancelled at the immigration point, one had EAD.


All we Desi's want is a free ride, same old mentality, don't want to put in any diligence in this matter, but very quick on pointing short comings on others. Blame game!

Point is, we all need to do something radical, sending flowers again and holding a hunger strike, otherwise, keep coming to IV and keep getting disappointed.

Papu, maybe you can hold something up for once. Schedule a date for some event.

[go_guy123]

You're right. No offence but no authority seems to be listening to IV suggestions. I agree that people at IV are doing great job, but the problem is nobody is listening. They just don't care. And this think will go on & on. I remember s'body suggesting hunger strike and at that point of time I thought that won't work. But now it seems we have to go extreme and do hunger strike and stuff to pressurize this crappy system.
EB3 people don't think I am being selfish here. The truth is we have to work unitely and pressurize for visa recapture. That will be beneficial for e'body.
Lets target the 'Asses' asking for a kick. Let's all kick ass.

You know why nothing works ? nobody listens ?
Because H1Bs put up with any garge behaviour, unfair treatment and still work. Once H1B stops putting up with this nonsense and leaving en masse/ stop coming then industry will take a look and wonder that "we need to work on this and improve the situation"
Till then skilled immigrants/H1B will be pissed on like they are nothing.

[pappu]

The reason why change is not happening as much as we want is because we face tough opposition. The only way we can overcome this is by being stronger. We can definitely become stronger if all H1Bs, L1s, EADs etc come together on this platform. If each simply come, read posts, post comments and go away... it is tough to get anything done. Holding a rally is a good idea but we have seen how much work and resources are needed in planning and executing it. It can only be successful if several thousands turn up. Advocacy is a slow, long and painful process and requires lot of patience. Each member must take part in the advocacy effort and support ImmigrationVoice. The first step is to believe in IV. Believing in IV means believing in your abilities and the collective power of this community. There are many sharks out there with selfish or opposing interests who try to pull us down so that their own interests are served. Be a part of Immigration voice by supporting its monthly subscription if you cannot give your time to IV on daily basis. Join your state chapters and play a leadership role in organizing events to mobilize and increase membership in your states. IV will provide all the support and guidance you would need for lawmaker meetings. . IV is all of us. We all need to work together and make things happen.

Visa bulletins come and go and if we only keep watching and expecting miracles in bulletins, then we would be wasting our time. writing posts, tracking and blaming others will not solve anything. Each reader of this post should join this movement actively if they desire a change.

[kumarc123]

The reason why change is not happening as much as we want is because we face tough opposition. The only way we can overcome this is by being stronger. We can definitely become stronger if all H1Bs, L1s, EADs etc come together on this platform. If each simply come, read posts, post comments and go away... it is tough to get anything done. Holding a rally is a good idea but we have seen how much work and resources are needed in planning and executing it. It can only be successful if several thousands turn up. Advocacy is a slow, long and painful process and requires lot of patience. Each member must take part in the advocacy effort and support ImmigrationVoice. The first step is to believe in IV. Believing in IV means believing in your abilities and the collective power of this community. There are many sharks out there with selfish interests who try to pull you down so that their own interests are served. Be a part of Immigration voice by supporting its monthly subscription if you cannot give your time to IV on daily basis. Join your state chapters and play a leadership role in organizing events to mobilize and increase membership in your states. IV will provide all the support and guidance you would need for lawmaker meetings. . IV is all of us. We all need to work together and make things happen.

Visa bulletins come and go and if we only keep watching and expecting miracles in bulletins, then we would be wasting our time. writing posts, tracking and blaming others will not solve anything. Each reader of this post should join this movement actively if they desire a change.

Papu,
I respect your involvement in IV and your diligence in promoting the community. However, I have been listening to your message over a long period of time.

1. Your suggestions of sending letter to white house---- DONE that
2. Your suggestion of calling different Senators---- Done that
3. Sending media your stories--- Letter sent no result.

The definition of failure is repeated measures over a certain period of time. The only way you can galvanize the Indian community towards IV is by, hosting something big. Otherwise people don't like to get involved in to something which is old news.

IV has become old news now, I and some other members, I am sure feel, something big needs to be done. The problem is IV is lacking a good leadership--- please don't take me wrong, you have been a great help, but moreover in the past. What I am proposing is, a big rally in DC.

I know it is hard to deal with Desi's in general, OUR MENTALITY IS OF A FREE RIDE, but this free ride is heading towards a deep pitch.

And moreover, people just come and offer their view points, I believe this organization should be more than that, involvement in STATE Chapters, and meeting with other state regulators, will not create a loud voice.
I totally disagree with you on that,

if illegals can create a loud voice even after being illegal, then what is stopping us? Organize something, but don't ask to be involved in state chapters, I will not waste my time, running and begging authorities to consider legals, when others are creating a loud vigilance.

Thank you.

[kumarc123]

Make monthly monetary contribution for IV as a start.......

I wasn't the lucky July filer, I am sure their are others like me waiting.

DO a rally and I will be there with contributions, do something big, I am sure more like will join the cause. Not a free rider but at the same time don't like to be taken for a free ride!


Thanks for your smart comment, however it does not serve the purpose.

[rajesh4]

I started visiting this forum only recently. From what I have seen briefly, I can say that the actual contributions in terms of effort seem to be coming from members like Pappu. And I really appreciate that. I see people here and there saying that IV isn't doing anything useful etc.
My point to such people would be - no one is stopping you from organizing a rally or doing a hunger strike or whatever it is you have in mind. Lead, and we shall follow. These efforts that are being led by IV core leadership doesnt detract from whatever you want to do.
Dont take this the wrong way. From what I have seen in my very brief history of following these forums, this is one of the few immigration forums out there that is not driven by ulterior motives - lawyers' interests etc. Please, please, as a favor, do not drag this effort down. I understand many of us are frustrated, but let not the frustration drag us down deeper into the hole. For people who don't agree with the policies here, put forth some constructive suggestions and see how that works. If it doesn't work, well you have realized how tough it is to get a group of people follow your conviction :) And then you might develop an appreciation for the work being done here.
And if your approach works, hey..excellent for all of us. But please don't put forth only negative criticism.
All the best to all of us.
Thanks.

[rajesh4]

I really dont know how this "reputation" system works. But some poor frustrated person out there (I have a guess who that is :) ) just left me this comment on my post
"i am taking you the wrong way...you deserve it!" :)
With this attitude, we will all be stuck in the crab-pot for ever. Lets be positive and try to accomplish something rather than just be grumpy negative people like ahem...cough!! cough!! - someone on this thread. Lets debate things openly and see how that goes. Cowards rarely win anything more than a battle or two - never the whole war.


I started visiting this forum only recently. From what I have seen briefly, I can say that the actual contributions in terms of effort seem to be coming from members like Pappu. And I really appreciate that. I see people here and there saying that IV isn't doing anything useful etc.
My point to such people would be - no one is stopping you from organizing a rally or doing a hunger strike or whatever it is you have in mind. Lead, and we shall follow. These efforts that are being led by IV core leadership doesnt detract from whatever you want to do.
Dont take this the wrong way. From what I have seen in my very brief history of following these forums, this is one of the few immigration forums out there that is not driven by ulterior motives - lawyers' interests etc. Please, please, as a favor, do not drag this effort down. I understand many of us are frustrated, but let not the frustration drag us down deeper into the hole. For people who don't agree with the policies here, put forth some constructive suggestions and see how that works. If it doesn't work, well you have realized how tough it is to get a group of people follow your conviction :) And then you might develop an appreciation for the work being done here.
And if your approach works, hey..excellent for all of us. But please don't put forth only negative criticism.
All the best to all of us.
Thanks.

[GC_1000Watt]

Dont take this the wrong way. From what I have seen in my very brief history of following these forums, this is one of the few immigration forums out there that is not driven by ulterior motives - lawyers' interests etc. Please, please, as a favor, do not drag this effort down. I understand many of us are frustrated, but let not the frustration drag us down deeper into the hole. For people who don't agree with the policies here, put forth some constructive suggestions and see how that works. If it doesn't work, well you have realized how tough it is to get a group of people follow your conviction :) And then you might develop an appreciation for the work being done here.
And if your approach works, hey..excellent for all of us. But please don't put forth only negative criticism.
All the best to all of us.
Thanks.

I can see you history buddy. Just a second post since you joined in july 2007?
So let's not give you the authority of who is doing good and what needs to be done. Let us know if you have any good suggestions. Thanks.

[arnab221]

I have been a IV member since 2006 . I have seen the ups/downs . donated money , sent letters , attended rallies and done whatever has been been proposed . But I see that many senior members who had the drive to motivate people are not sending or being part of any messages or threads at all and that is exactly why the movement seems to be losing steam .

The standard response that I see to any question is "have you donated money ? " . "Don't ask for anything till you have donated. " this is followed by some some red dots which normally works to silence the questions. People will be willing to donate when they believe in the movement . I remember we collected $ 30,000 in 1 month before the rally there was huge thread with all the donations . People were charged up and the money came up automatically . I am willing to donate but to be brutally honest I do not see the same level of motivation as was there in 2006 / 2007 days .Please use this as a wakeup call and not as reason to vent your frustration on me .

There are many senior members who I do not even see any more . Members joining in late 2007 or early 2008 will not know any of these guys .

Aman Kapoor . He is the founder of IV . I have not seen his messages since the past 3 years almost . Where is he ? Is it too much for him to send a greeting in New years eve motivating the members ? It takes just 2 minutes .

Mark Bartosik :- He was supposed to the spokesperson for IV .The guy with the MasterCard sign for immigration . I have not seen him for quite some time now
Where are the other senior leaders like
a) Walden Pond
b) There was a this British Girl from San Jose ( had a handle which had name like Rose or something )
c) Niloufer Bustani from Dallas. I see her once in a while but very sparingly .

The others even I have forgotten completely.

The only leadership/core that I see is Pappu and no one else . If you have a country where the prime minister shows his face only once in 4 years , how are the people supposed to believe in that movement ? Please don't reply with a message saying what have I done or why can't I contribute money ? I have done that I am looking for leadership to show us the way and motivate us . All campaigns don't need money donations( Letters , calls , faxes etc ) . We could start with that and then drum up support and momentum and then the money will start flowing in automatically . There has to be a synchronized campaign organized by the leadership and all I see is everybody putting their eggs in the basket called spillover.

[IamWithImmiVoice]

I have been a member of IV for a long time. I think my only contribution is when I contributed a few times for some of the efforts. I come to this forum maybe once in a quarter just hoping to see some good news on the immigration side. I see nothing, feel bad about it and leave without doing anything. Every time I leave thinking that I should start contributing instead of being a useless lurker, but somehow that thought is the end.

My mistake and I apologize to the regular contributors here.
Anyways I am going to contribute now. I have set up a reminder in my calender for every other day to visit IV and discuss with other members about the next approach to take. I am also looking to contribute whether it be writing letters or taking part in rallies or speaking to lawyers about the spillover.

Again I apologize and I am looking forward to our next step towards ending our immigration woes.

[kumarc123]

I have been a IV member since 2006 . I have seen the ups/downs . donated money , sent letters , attended rallies and done whatever has been been proposed . But I see that many senior members who had the drive to motivate people are not sending or being part of any messages or threads at all and that is exactly why the movement seems to be losing steam .

The standard response that I see to any question is "have you donated money ? " . "Don't ask for anything till you have donated. " this is followed by some some red dots which normally works to silence the questions. People will be willing to donate when they believe in the movement . I remember we collected $ 30,000 in 1 month before the rally there was huge thread with all the donations . People were charged up and the money came up automatically . I am willing to donate but to be brutally honest I do not see the same level of motivation as was there in 2006 / 2007 days .Please use this as a wakeup call and not as reason to vent your frustration on me .

There are many senior members who I do not even see any more . Members joining in late 2007 or early 2008 will not know any of these guys .

Aman Kapoor . He is the founder of IV . I have not seen his messages since the past 3 years almost . Where is he ? Is it too much for him to send a greeting in New years eve motivating the members ? It takes just 2 minutes .

Mark Bartosik :- He was supposed to the spokesperson for IV .The guy with the MasterCard sign for immigration . I have not seen him for quite some time now
Where are the other senior leaders like
a) Walden Pond
b) There was a this British Girl from San Jose ( had a handle which had name like Rose or something )
c) Niloufer Bustani from Dallas. I see her once in a while but very sparingly .

The others even I have forgotten completely.

The only leadership/core that I see is Pappu and no one else . If you have a country where the prime minister shows his face only once in 4 years , how are the people supposed to believe in that movement ? Please don't reply with a message saying what have I done or why can't I contribute money ? I have done that I am looking for leadership to show us the way and motivate us . All campaigns don't need money donations( Letters , calls , faxes etc ) . We could start with that and then drum up support and momentum and then the money will start flowing in automatically . There has to be a synchronized campaign organized by the leadership and all I see is everybody putting their eggs in the basket called spillover.

Precisely,
they ask me for monthly contributions and I ask them to hold something big, a rally or something first, as I was not July2007 filer. That's why I am stopping to come here now. To ask for contributions, IV must hold something big,

[kumarc123]

I have been a IV member since 2006 . I have seen the ups/downs . donated money , sent letters , attended rallies and done whatever has been been proposed . But I see that many senior members who had the drive to motivate people are not sending or being part of any messages or threads at all and that is exactly why the movement seems to be losing steam .

The standard response that I see to any question is "have you donated money ? " . "Don't ask for anything till you have donated. " this is followed by some some red dots which normally works to silence the questions. People will be willing to donate when they believe in the movement . I remember we collected $ 30,000 in 1 month before the rally there was huge thread with all the donations . People were charged up and the money came up automatically . I am willing to donate but to be brutally honest I do not see the same level of motivation as was there in 2006 / 2007 days .Please use this as a wakeup call and not as reason to vent your frustration on me .

There are many senior members who I do not even see any more . Members joining in late 2007 or early 2008 will not know any of these guys .

Aman Kapoor . He is the founder of IV . I have not seen his messages since the past 3 years almost . Where is he ? Is it too much for him to send a greeting in New years eve motivating the members ? It takes just 2 minutes .

Mark Bartosik :- He was supposed to the spokesperson for IV .The guy with the MasterCard sign for immigration . I have not seen him for quite some time now
Where are the other senior leaders like
a) Walden Pond
b) There was a this British Girl from San Jose ( had a handle which had name like Rose or something )
c) Niloufer Bustani from Dallas. I see her once in a while but very sparingly .

The others even I have forgotten completely.

The only leadership/core that I see is Pappu and no one else . If you have a country where the prime minister shows his face only once in 4 years , how are the people supposed to believe in that movement ? Please don't reply with a message saying what have I done or why can't I contribute money ? I have done that I am looking for leadership to show us the way and motivate us . All campaigns don't need money donations( Letters , calls , faxes etc ) . We could start with that and then drum up support and momentum and then the money will start flowing in automatically . There has to be a synchronized campaign organized by the leadership and all I see is everybody putting their eggs in the basket called spillover.

Precisely,
they ask me for monthly contributions and I ask them to hold something big, a rally or something first, as I was not July2007 filer. That's why I am stopping to come here now. To ask for contributions, IV must hold something big,

[Pagal]

Hello,

The frustration that I see here is understandable, but just by being frustrated or by posting here, things do not change.

We are the change that we have been waiting for.

There are many things that IV core is working on (we see the outcomes like pending I-485 stats, notes of explanations on visa bulletins, but fail to recognize the efforts required to reach these key milestones on bringing transparency and fairness to I-140/I-485 process).

But to make IV (or any organization/community) effective, money is critical. What IV needs is not big (you can contribute as low as 25 USD per month - less than the cost of daily coffee - regular, not the fancy lattes!).

IV is nothing more than our collective will to change our situation. And the change starts from me as an individual. What I've come to realize that such change doesn't come by asking others to do something for me. It starts with me doing something, either providing my time/effort/money to the cause that I believe in.

In case of IV, some of us choose to contribute money, some choose to volunteer (hats off to them!), others choose to contribute time, still others do the legwork ... to each his own! Pick your preferred way and start... the success is not guaranteed, but if we don't start, the failure is guaranteed!

[eastindia]

Precisely,
they ask me for monthly contributions and I ask them to hold something big, a rally or something first, as I was not July2007 filer. That's why I am stopping to come here now. To ask for contributions, IV must hold something big,

How about you do something big like start a rally or sit on hunger strike in DC. I and many others I know on H1B will support you. We are all just waiting for someone to do it because we cannot do it. We all just write good posts and are free riders. But if you are willing myself and my friends on H1B will support you. Go sit in DC on a hunger strike or something and we will all support you.

[eastindia]

I have been a IV member since 2006 . I have seen the ups/downs . .

A sad truth that we all want to do hero worship. We all want someone to do something for us while we can watch and comment on it. But this is a good thing because even though we are not doing anything at least we are saying something. I wonder why Indians are doing so much complaining.

Where are China and ROW people? Are they not in pain? I have not seen them on the forums.

[imh1b]

I just called Bikareri Baba and asked him about 'Feb VB is out !!!' thread. He said that the thread will die in a week. It will resurrect as 'March VB is out !!!' thread after a month with a life span of 1 week.

[gc_peshwa]

That seems to be the way where this is heading. Would this be another july fiasco?.
I dont mean to sound negative but I desperately need a way to file I-485 for my wife to get EAD. She has been rejected twice just coz she did not have a work permit/or was not a GC holder/citizen.
Mind you she has a brilliant engineering academic record and worked in India for 2 years a Java programmer before marrying me :mad:
I don't know if USCIS has "wasted" visa numbers but just like the Government has been "borrowing" money from future why cant they borrow "visa numbers" from future (or even past for that matter)...does sound ridiculous :eek: The economy is in recession for last 2 years for sure. Less and less number of folks are filing for GC. I would expect the EB1 numbers spilling over big time to EB2. That has not happened. Its been 3 loooong years after the July 07 fiasco and USCIS still doesnt have enough numbers to clear the backlog...this is BS.
Bottomline is we do need USCIS to advance the dates rapidly enough so that thousands like me can be relieved of their daily ordeal in US....sorry for the selfish thought..:o I just had a shot of tequila....

[kaarmaa]

I doubt you will get a reply for your honest and valid concerns :)

I have been a IV member since 2006 . I have seen the ups/downs . donated money , sent letters , attended rallies and done whatever has been been proposed . But I see that many senior members who had the drive to motivate people are not sending or being part of any messages or threads at all and that is exactly why the movement seems to be losing steam .

The standard response that I see to any question is "have you donated money ? " . "Don't ask for anything till you have donated. " this is followed by some some red dots which normally works to silence the questions. People will be willing to donate when they believe in the movement . I remember we collected $ 30,000 in 1 month before the rally there was huge thread with all the donations . People were charged up and the money came up automatically . I am willing to donate but to be brutally honest I do not see the same level of motivation as was there in 2006 / 2007 days .Please use this as a wakeup call and not as reason to vent your frustration on me .

There are many senior members who I do not even see any more . Members joining in late 2007 or early 2008 will not know any of these guys .

Aman Kapoor . He is the founder of IV . I have not seen his messages since the past 3 years almost . Where is he ? Is it too much for him to send a greeting in New years eve motivating the members ? It takes just 2 minutes .

Mark Bartosik :- He was supposed to the spokesperson for IV .The guy with the MasterCard sign for immigration . I have not seen him for quite some time now
Where are the other senior leaders like
a) Walden Pond
b) There was a this British Girl from San Jose ( had a handle which had name like Rose or something )
c) Niloufer Bustani from Dallas. I see her once in a while but very sparingly .

The others even I have forgotten completely.

The only leadership/core that I see is Pappu and no one else . If you have a country where the prime minister shows his face only once in 4 years , how are the people supposed to believe in that movement ? Please don't reply with a message saying what have I done or why can't I contribute money ? I have done that I am looking for leadership to show us the way and motivate us . All campaigns don't need money donations( Letters , calls , faxes etc ) . We could start with that and then drum up support and momentum and then the money will start flowing in automatically . There has to be a synchronized campaign organized by the leadership and all I see is everybody putting their eggs in the basket called spillover.

[IamWithImmiVoice]

Reading the thread it seems like there are a few steps being dicussed here:

1. Hunger Strike
2. Go the court way for failure of visa spillovers
3. Letters, Faxes etc etc.
4.. I am missing something that someone can add.

I am wondering if hunger strike will work. First of all hunger strike is useless unless its heavily publicized. For publicity we will need to be at Washington (maybe not )and strike for atleast a week before we get any publicity. That means risking physical health as well as professional life. Moreover we will need a large number of people to make news. It has to be a well publicized and a successful strike. It will surely have more impact than the rally.

I suggest writing one letter everyday to white house and to USCIS. If thousands of us write two letters a day everyday to President and USCIS it wont cost us much and it will be a continuous effort till we come out with a more substantial effort like a rally or hunger strike.

Feel free to blast my ideas and suggest others.

Lets be all a part of the core team and not get an opportunity to say that the core team is not doing enough

[pcs]

I wrote letters to Charles Oppenheim who release the VISA Bulletin about not using the VISA Spill Over.. I think this is the best option today to make a lot of noise by writing letters and there is a good chance that he will take notice an d release the spill over.... I urge all to write 2 - 4 letters to him ASAP so that we can see some action before next bulletin...

See the address... Calling will not hurt eother...

Mr.Charles Oppenheim

2201 C Street Northwest
Washington, DC 20520-0099


(202) 647-4000

[rajesh4]

I totally agree with pcs and IamWithImmiVoice. Sounds like a deluge of letters to everyone that matters is one of the better ways to move ahead. Shall do that today itself. Would be great if a good number of us could do the same. As IamWithImmiVoice said very correctly, "Lets be all a part of the core team and not get an opportunity to say that the core team is not doing enough "
very well said!!

I wrote letters to Charles Oppenheim who release the VISA Bulletin about not using the VISA Spill Over.. I think this is the best option today to make a lot of noise by writing letters and there is a good chance that he will take notice an d release the spill over.... I urge all to write 2 - 4 letters to him ASAP so that we can see some action before next bulletin...

See the address... Calling will not hurt eother...

Mr.Charles Oppenheim

2201 C Street Northwest
Washington, DC 20520-0099


(202) 647-4000

[imh1b]

Sending letters is a waste of time. I did many in the past and nothing happened. We will only make post office richer and lose money on postage. Nobody reads or replies to letters.

Anyone willing to do hunger strike?

[GC_1000Watt]

Sending letters is a waste of time. I did many in the past and nothing happened. We will only make post office richer and lose money on postage. Nobody reads or replies to letters.

Anyone willing to do hunger strike?

I am willing to do hunger strike.

[IamWithImmiVoice]

Sending letters is a waste of time. I did many in the past and nothing happened. We will only make post office richer and lose money on postage. Nobody reads or replies to letters.

Anyone willing to do hunger strike?


I agree. A few people sending letters does not make a difference. But if the 25-50K participants of IV send a letter everyday, it will make a difference. And we will send letters and emails to to all possible media outlets, especially immigration supporters like Larry Kudlow telling them that we are doing this....and if we dont get any responses, we will let the media outlets know that we are not getting any responses.

This is just to get the ball rolling. The ideas about rallying and hunger strike will continue development. There should always be activity. No lull period.

I urge people to participate and send letters. We can setup an email group for people who are planning to send letters with a reminder to send letters.

If you are sending two letters a day, its 90 cents a day, 27 dollars a month and 324 dollars a year.

Is 324 dollars not worth avoiding everyday hassles of immigration, moving to new jobs, new opportunities.

Please folks...lets do this....

LETS DO THIS

[pappu]

I have been a IV member since 2006 . I have seen the ups/downs . donated money , sent letters , attended rallies and done whatever has been been proposed . But I see that many senior members who had the drive to motivate people are not sending or being part of any messages or threads at all and that is exactly why the movement seems to be losing steam .

The standard response that I see to any question is "have you donated money ? " . "Don't ask for anything till you have donated. " this is followed by some some red dots which normally works to silence the questions. People will be willing to donate when they believe in the movement . I remember we collected $ 30,000 in 1 month before the rally there was huge thread with all the donations . People were charged up and the money came up automatically . I am willing to donate but to be brutally honest I do not see the same level of motivation as was there in 2006 / 2007 days .Please use this as a wakeup call and not as reason to vent your frustration on me .

There are many senior members who I do not even see any more . Members joining in late 2007 or early 2008 will not know any of these guys .

Aman Kapoor . He is the founder of IV . I have not seen his messages since the past 3 years almost . Where is he ? Is it too much for him to send a greeting in New years eve motivating the members ? It takes just 2 minutes .

Mark Bartosik :- He was supposed to the spokesperson for IV .The guy with the MasterCard sign for immigration . I have not seen him for quite some time now
Where are the other senior leaders like
a) Walden Pond
b) There was a this British Girl from San Jose ( had a handle which had name like Rose or something )
c) Niloufer Bustani from Dallas. I see her once in a while but very sparingly .

The others even I have forgotten completely.

The only leadership/core that I see is Pappu and no one else . If you have a country where the prime minister shows his face only once in 4 years , how are the people supposed to believe in that movement ? Please don't reply with a message saying what have I done or why can't I contribute money ? I have done that I am looking for leadership to show us the way and motivate us . All campaigns don't need money donations( Letters , calls , faxes etc ) . We could start with that and then drum up support and momentum and then the money will start flowing in automatically . There has to be a synchronized campaign organized by the leadership and all I see is everybody putting their eggs in the basket called spillover.

IV core team is very active and working hard. Just because we do not see their posts on the forum does not mean they are not active. Aman Kapoor or Waldenpond- IV founder is very much active and working hard on this mission despite having his greencard. We have regular daily discussions as a team and he is one person I have seen who sleeps, drinks and live this effort all the time. He has spent his personal money to travel to DC and still takes time off from work to travel to DC on regular basis. Likewise there are others who are committed to this effort and are working hard on the tasks assigned to them. You see me most of the time writing on the forum because in the core team, this is the task assigned to me. I communicate with members. If we have everyone posting on the forum, it will not be a good use of our limited time off work on daily basis. Also know that IV is not forums. Just by writing on the forums, nothing ever gets done on the hill. There are several tasks that we have to do in this advocacy effort to get something done. You can see more regular updates on the donor forum on what we do behind the scenes. It takes lot of effort, commitment and patience to be active in this effort because results are not immediate or guaranteed. But with our efforts we have have had our successes and we are positive about the future successes. The key is to be consistent, persistent and passionate about this advocacy work. We need to understand that we as an organization represent hundreds of thousands of people suffering due to the broken immigration system despite following all the rules and being legal in this country. This long wait has caused lot of pain and suffereing in people's lives and careers. Everyday we feel the pressure of hopes of thousands of our members who look upto us with some ray of light. As leaders of this organization we carry this responsibility bravely every day on our shoulders and feel motivated from the support of our members and the passion we have for this cause.

[skgs2000]

You are right..it takes time and effort, and money too. We are ready to donate, if we are allowed to file EAD after 140 clearance immeditely, ,irrespective of EB-2 or EB-3. However, do not reply saying that you need to donate first as this is not how we think. There are a whole bunch of friends who are of the same opinion.

And what is this with so many reds besides my name..wat is this?? Ppl venting their own Frustration on others.

[JazzByTheBay]

"We are ready to donate, if...." is the wrongest line of thought - if there ever was one. If you believe in a cause, you donate - it's never conditional.

Donating is generally associated with charity - you don't benefit from it directly. [Don't pull up the dictionary for this.. this is more about the spirit of the term rather than the literal definitions.]

So you're not really donating to Immigration Voice. Donating is the wrong term to use!

What you're doing is contributing - to an effort that's likely to benefit you directly. It's not for educating children in a poor African or Asian nation, or for the welfare of some community struck by a natural calamity, or for breast cancer research. It's for something that can potentially benefit you directly. I use the word potentially because it's no guarantee IV will succeed in its endeavors in the time frame you and I have in mind.

IV does not control the USCIS or the DoS or the lawmakers, so it can't really grant your wishes or conditions for contributing.

With that in mind, if you believe IV is one organization that's working for its members, you can join the effort by contributing whatever you can.

Or, if I may say so, quit whining. All this whining in forums reminds me of the story of the guy who was about to drown in the ocean and kept on praying to God to come and save him, ignoring the different saviors God sent to rescue him. Or the guy who kept on praying to God that he could win the lottery - but never went and bought a lottery ticket! If you're waiting for God to magically place the winning lottery ticket in your wallet or closet, I have a bridge to sell you.

As far as the red and green dots in your profile go - just ignore them!

jazz


You are right..it takes time and effort, and money too. We are ready to donate, if we are allowed to file EAD after 140 clearance immeditely, ,irrespective of EB-2 or EB-3. However, do not reply saying that you need to donate first as this is not how we think. There are a whole bunch of friends who are of the same opinion.

And what is this with so many reds besides my name..wat is this?? Ppl venting their own Frustration on others.

[kumarc123]

IV core team is very active and working hard. Just because we do not see their posts on the forum does not mean they are not active. Aman Kapoor or Waldenpond- IV founder is very much active and working hard on this mission despite having his greencard. We have regular daily discussions as a team and he is one person I have seen who sleeps, drinks and live this effort all the time. He has spent his personal money to travel to DC and still takes time off from work to travel to DC on regular basis. Likewise there are others who are committed to this effort and are working hard on the tasks assigned to them. You see me most of the time writing on the forum because in the core team, this is the task assigned to me. I communicate with members. If we have everyone posting on the forum, it will not be a good use of our limited time off work on daily basis. Also know that IV is not forums. Just by writing on the forums, nothing ever gets done on the hill. There are several tasks that we have to do in this advocacy effort to get something done. You can see more regular updates on the donor forum on what we do behind the scenes. It takes lot of effort, commitment and patience to be active in this effort because results are not immediate or guaranteed. But with our efforts we have have had our successes and we are positive about the future successes. The key is to be consistent, persistent and passionate about this advocacy work. We need to understand that we as an organization represent hundreds of thousands of people suffering due to the broken immigration system despite following all the rules and being legal in this country. This long wait has caused lot of pain and suffereing in people's lives and careers. Everyday we feel the pressure of hopes of thousands of our members who look upto us with some ray of light. As leaders of this organization we carry this responsibility bravely every day on our shoulders and feel motivated from the support of our members and the passion we have for this cause.


We do admire IV's motivation and Aman's hard work. What we asking is, you to hold a rally in DC, or do something big, we are tired of

1. Sending letters
2. Faxing to senators
3. Being asked for contributions, when we want too, but we want something big.
4. For past 3 years, a lot has been discussed, done but nothing big.

we would like to be galvanized for a cause, IV should plan something fast, before the summers.

Thanks,

[kumarc123]

IV core team is very active and working hard. Just because we do not see their posts on the forum does not mean they are not active. Aman Kapoor or Waldenpond- IV founder is very much active and working hard on this mission despite having his greencard. We have regular daily discussions as a team and he is one person I have seen who sleeps, drinks and live this effort all the time. He has spent his personal money to travel to DC and still takes time off from work to travel to DC on regular basis. Likewise there are others who are committed to this effort and are working hard on the tasks assigned to them. You see me most of the time writing on the forum because in the core team, this is the task assigned to me. I communicate with members. If we have everyone posting on the forum, it will not be a good use of our limited time off work on daily basis. Also know that IV is not forums. Just by writing on the forums, nothing ever gets done on the hill. There are several tasks that we have to do in this advocacy effort to get something done. You can see more regular updates on the donor forum on what we do behind the scenes. It takes lot of effort, commitment and patience to be active in this effort because results are not immediate or guaranteed. But with our efforts we have have had our successes and we are positive about the future successes. The key is to be consistent, persistent and passionate about this advocacy work. We need to understand that we as an organization represent hundreds of thousands of people suffering due to the broken immigration system despite following all the rules and being legal in this country. This long wait has caused lot of pain and suffereing in people's lives and careers. Everyday we feel the pressure of hopes of thousands of our members who look upto us with some ray of light. As leaders of this organization we carry this responsibility bravely every day on our shoulders and feel motivated from the support of our members and the passion we have for this cause.

Pappu,
Why dont you organize a rally, we will contribute and be their for the rally. We need to do something ASAP. I humbly request you and other core members to organize a rally and pick one day for sending flowers to either white house or USCIS. Also we can balck out our personal information and send our transcripts as well.

Please organize a date, how about February14th, we will get more attention. Love for permanent residency, media will like the idea and broadcast it.

[imh1b]

Pappu,
Why dont you organize a rally, we will contribute and be their for the rally. We need to do something ASAP. I humbly request you and other core members to organize a rally and pick one day for sending flowers to either white house or USCIS. Also we can balck out our personal information and send our transcripts as well.

Please organize a date, how about February14th, we will get more attention. Love for permanent residency, media will like the idea and broadcast it.

What about hunger strike?
It is much bigger than rally. You will get more attention and you do not need thousand people to do it. If we can have even a handful of people or even one person to do it, it will be great. The expenses and preparation to do hunger strike will be very less.

[eastindia]

What about hunger strike?
It is much bigger than rally. You will get more attention and you do not need thousand people to do it. If we can have even a handful of people or even one person to do it, it will be great. The expenses and preparation to do hunger strike will be very less.

I doubt anyone will want to go hungry for a greencard. People say a lot of things but they do not do it. All these people talking for a rally will not even show up for a rally when it is held. They are too scared to come out and show their faces to the media.

[eastindia]

You are right..it takes time and effort, and money too. We are ready to donate, if we are allowed to file EAD after 140 clearance immeditely, ,irrespective of EB-2 or EB-3. However, do not reply saying that you need to donate first as this is not how we think. There are a whole bunch of friends who are of the same opinion.

And what is this with so many reds besides my name..wat is this?? Ppl venting their own Frustration on others.

I read that filing EAD after I140 is already part of IV agenda. You can either donate or volunteer for it. Write to IV about it. I read that snathan had one idea and he volunteered his time to IV for it and got that done from USCIS. You can do it too. Most of us here have EAD so people who do not have EAD must take initiative.

[kumarc123]

I doubt anyone will want to go hungry for a greencard. People say a lot of things but they do not do it. All these people talking for a rally will not even show up for a rally when it is held. They are too scared to come out and show their faces to the media.

My friend,
I will show up and you? Please lets promote the spirit and not pick on each other.

[ronhira]

Pappu,
Why dont you organize a rally, we will contribute and be their for the rally. We need to do something ASAP. I humbly request you and other core members to organize a rally and pick one day for sending flowers to either white house or USCIS. Also we can balck out our personal information and send our transcripts as well.

Please organize a date, how about February14th, we will get more attention. Love for permanent residency, media will like the idea and broadcast it.

often i'm amazed by the knowledge of some of the posters here...... but more often i get a laugh out of stupid ideas that r thrown around...... for example u want something big.... want to send transcript..... blacking out the name...... if there is no name on the transcript..... how will anyone know if its genuine...... so u r still afraid of someone knowing u'r name... but u want to do something big....... that makes real sense...... if u know what i mean..... then u want someone else to do a rally....... r u going to come to the rally?..... how will u hide u'r personal information when u come for the rally....... maybe time to take out the Halloween nixon mask.... to protect the personal information/identity..... and for the hunger strike.... lets have someone with a nixon mask do hunger strike...... we could just say that its not me who is doing the hunger strike.... its president nixon doing hunger strike on my behalf....... great idea...... by far the best one ;)

[Marphad]

often i'm amazed by the knowledge of some of the posters here...... but more often i get a laugh out of stupid ideas that r thrown around...... for example u want something big.... want to send transcript..... blacking out the name...... if there is no name on the transcript..... how will anyone know if its genuine...... so u r still afraid of someone knowing u'r name... but u want to do something big....... that makes real sense...... if u know what i mean..... then u want someone else to do a rally....... r u going to come to the rally?..... how will u hide u'r personal information when u come for the rally....... maybe time to take out the Halloween nixon mask.... to protect the personal information/identity..... and for the hunger strike.... lets have someone with a nixon mask do hunger strike...... we could just say that its not me who is doing the hunger strike.... its president nixon doing hunger strike on my behalf....... great idea...... by far the best one ;)

There was a user with nick name "Sanju". You sound a lot like him...

[kumarc123]

often i'm amazed by the knowledge of some of the posters here...... but more often i get a laugh out of stupid ideas that r thrown around...... for example u want something big.... want to send transcript..... blacking out the name...... if there is no name on the transcript..... how will anyone know if its genuine...... so u r still afraid of someone knowing u'r name... but u want to do something big....... that makes real sense...... if u know what i mean..... then u want someone else to do a rally....... r u going to come to the rally?..... how will u hide u'r personal information when u come for the rally....... maybe time to take out the Halloween nixon mask.... to protect the personal information/identity..... and for the hunger strike.... lets have someone with a nixon mask do hunger strike...... we could just say that its not me who is doing the hunger strike.... its president nixon doing hunger strike on my behalf....... great idea...... by far the best one ;)

You humor was not at all appealing neither it galvanized anyone. In stead of posting remarks, how about giving some constructive ideas? Or is too much to ask?

I didn't ask for hunger strike, as I don't know about any litigation problems associated with it. I did ask and I quote " To organize something big, like a rally"

February -- reason--- we will get free publicity by the media, as it would carry a different notion.

I look forward to your any constructive ideas.

Lastly personal information -- of your social security number and address-- hmh looks like didn't graduate from here. It is ok, quiet understandable


Thank you

[smuggymba]

I'm not sure if anyone knows but that is what Ronhira does. Hijacking the topic, calling everyone anti-immigrants is his forte'.....don't waste your time in replying to him.

Click on his profile and check out "all posts by this user". You will know his contribution. I pray that he gets his GC soon and gets out of here.

[ronhira]

I'm not sure if anyone knows but that is what Ronhira does. Hijacking the topic, calling everyone anti-immigrants is his forte'.....don't waste your time in replying to him.

Click on his profile and check out "all posts by this user". You will know his contribution. I pray that he gets his GC soon and gets out of here.

thank u thank u thank u..... please pray for me..... it might work where dos has has failed since sep-09, just 19 days away..... i promise to not bother u after i get my gc.... did i rub u the wrong way in the past

[kumarc123]

thank u thank u thank u..... please pray for me..... it might work where dos has has failed since sep-09, just 19 days away..... i promise to not bother u after i get my gc.... did i rub u the wrong way in the past

Thank you, you just proved how much of a team player you are.



Their is fine line between dreaming and reality, I wish you the best for your day dreams
P.S. -- Enjoy your medication

[smuggymba]

thank u thank u thank u..... please pray for me..... it might work where dos has has failed since sep-09, just 19 days away..... i promise to not bother u after i get my gc.... did i rub u the wrong way in the past

seriously dude, you're a time waster. I have seen only a couple of posts where you have advised members without abusing, denigrating them or wasting their time by your useless comments. I have asked you many time to either help or stay away but you seem to find pleasure in digressing the topic and wasting time. I hope you're gone for good and don't return with a fake ID after you get your GC.

When I first saw your profile, your PD was different, now it's EB05, which makes me believe that your avatar is bound to haunt this website for years to come in one ID or the other. Anyway best of luck.

[IamWithImmiVoice]

I am thinking of starting a google group for people who would like to send letters to USCIS/White House for our efforts. Not sure if we already have IV, if we really need another google group but the main aim for doing this is to send reminders to us to send letters and once in a while have discussions on what affect our efforts are having. Do you guys think its a good idea? I think I should start a poll for this

[mbartosik]

arnab221, I'm still lurking around occasionally, but you are right I'm not her much.

Still willing to do rally or interviews etc., but I'm putting most of my spare time into energy advocacy -- which I see as a more important issue. If someone/IV needs me for something specific leadership (inc. Pappu) have my contact details, and a private message to me will reach me.


I have been a IV member since 2006 . I have seen the ups/downs . donated money , sent letters , attended rallies and done whatever has been been proposed . But I see that many senior members who had the drive to motivate people are not sending or being part of any messages or threads at all and that is exactly why the movement seems to be losing steam .

The standard response that I see to any question is "have you donated money ? " . "Don't ask for anything till you have donated. " this is followed by some some red dots which normally works to silence the questions. People will be willing to donate when they believe in the movement . I remember we collected $ 30,000 in 1 month before the rally there was huge thread with all the donations . People were charged up and the money came up automatically . I am willing to donate but to be brutally honest I do not see the same level of motivation as was there in 2006 / 2007 days .Please use this as a wakeup call and not as reason to vent your frustration on me .

There are many senior members who I do not even see any more . Members joining in late 2007 or early 2008 will not know any of these guys .

Aman Kapoor . He is the founder of IV . I have not seen his messages since the past 3 years almost . Where is he ? Is it too much for him to send a greeting in New years eve motivating the members ? It takes just 2 minutes .

Mark Bartosik :- He was supposed to the spokesperson for IV .The guy with the MasterCard sign for immigration . I have not seen him for quite some time now
Where are the other senior leaders like
a) Walden Pond
b) There was a this British Girl from San Jose ( had a handle which had name like Rose or something )
c) Niloufer Bustani from Dallas. I see her once in a while but very sparingly .

The others even I have forgotten completely.

The only leadership/core that I see is Pappu and no one else . If you have a country where the prime minister shows his face only once in 4 years , how are the people supposed to believe in that movement ? Please don't reply with a message saying what have I done or why can't I contribute money ? I have done that I am looking for leadership to show us the way and motivate us . All campaigns don't need money donations( Letters , calls , faxes etc ) . We could start with that and then drum up support and momentum and then the money will start flowing in automatically . There has to be a synchronized campaign organized by the leadership and all I see is everybody putting their eggs in the basket called spillover.