Another swipe at H1Bs

[designserve]

http://uniknotions.com/fulldebate.php?debatenum=303

Please have a look at this link..People here just are trying to deflect the actual crisis.

[designserve]

The attached SFgate article can show the full implications!!

[whitecollarslave]

Originally Posted by designserve

The attached SFgate article can show the full implications!!

Where is the attachment?

[designserve]

Pls click on the sfgate link

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...d=rss.business

[bugmenot]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?play=1&video=1019715332


Hit back at Grassley/remove h1Bs parties!

shows that majority of the americans are not as stupid as the Grassley and types

[windycloud]

Media!

I don't want to panic over an article like this. The media is ALWAYS on the case of immigration. However we do have all odds working against us these days. On a fair weather day, our only ally is the corporations and business who hire us. The society and media never likes the idea of immigration. In their eyes we come here to take their jobs, end of story. The government is not exactly on our side either. They make the immigration process incredibly tedious to a point that makes us wonder if it's there to facilitate immigration or to stop it. That's the old equilibrium we are used to until a year or two ago. Now with raging unemployment and our only ally seemingly becoming the "enemy of the state", it's no surprise that we are put on the chopping board.

If I'm under the spot light for negative attentions I'd like to say "folks, let's at least put things in perspective." U.S. has a population of 300 million, of which roughly half is within the range of working ages. USCIS granted about a million greencards last year, of which only 162,176 were employment based. That is 0.1% of America’s work force, and 0.05% of the entire U.S. population. And that’s less than 6% of the number of the American people injured in car accidents in 2005. Talking about something that hurts a lot of Americans badly, let’s give automobile safety the attention it deserves, which should be 20 times that paid to employment based immigration. On the other hand, if we look at the educational background of these immigrants compared to the same age group of all American workforce I would not be surprised that the earlier surpasses the later by a large margin. That is the whole idea of employment based immigration. Accept a small group of highly educated and skilled foreigners into the society to fuel and energize its workforce and economy. Now this mere 0.05% of people, who already have to pay and struggle to stay legal thanks to the current immigration system, somehow becomes a huge crowd of seagulls and snitches that descend upon the entire country and rob jobs from everyone and kicks Americans into unemployment. Is there any justice or intelligence in that perception? Trying to fix the right problem by focusing on the wrong issues doesn’t help. Hasn’t the country learned enough lessons on this in the past 8 years? To the media, fact skewed out of proportion is a lie. Misleading the people on key national issues is unethical and unpatriotic.

H-1B holders, who are the candidates for employment based immigration, are lawful residents. That means we are subject to all responsibilities such as taxation. We pay all taxes including those the benefits of which we aren’t even entitled to, such as social security and Medicare. We are subject to all laws and regulations as Americans and on top of that immigration law as well, which eliminates many forms of freedom enjoyed by an average citizen. To those sound advocates against immigration, who do you think you are to have the right to alienate us like we have no rights at all in this society? We aren’t robbing you, we are creating wealth for the country. We didn’t play through our earlier years, we worked hard in college and many in graduate schools as well. We aren’t sitting around collecting social benefit, we are paying for it.

I remember watching a movie where in the old times a few African American kids witnessed a black slave being set on fire. One kid later said “I saw fear in my friends’ eyes and at the same time, shame.” In some ways that’s our sentiment. We cave in when faced with unfair treatments and blames. When there is some news about a man killing his whole family after losing his job, some feel like it’s our fault. Has it occurred to anyone that his mental health was a bigger suspect for the crime than his employment status? Tough times create anger and division. In my opinion that’s the kind of ride this country has been taking until the 2008 election. This is a tough time no doubt, but it’s also the right time to restore sanity instead of injecting more biased, harmful and plainly wrong opinions into people’s mind. Immigration, although not written in the Constitution, has always been a foundation of this country. Employment based immigrants are the modern day elites of U.S. immigration. And there is nothing more American than equity and hard working. That's what we believe in and what we ask for. Immigrants are citizens by choice. That’s something to be proud of.

For once America, try to tackle the right problem by focusing on the right issues. It’s about time!

[designserve]

Isnt that the name of the movie?Forget the spelling...

[jindhal]

Originally Posted by windycloud

Media!

I don't want to panic over an article like this. The media is ALWAYS on the case of immigration. However we do have all odds working against us these days. On a fair weather day, our only ally is the corporations and business who hire us. The society and media never likes the idea of immigration. In their eyes we come here to take their jobs, end of story. The government is not exactly on our side either. They make the immigration process incredibly tedious to a point that makes us wonder if it's there to facilitate immigration or to stop it. That's the old equilibrium we are used to until a year or two ago. Now with raging unemployment and our only ally seemingly becoming the "enemy of the state", it's no surprise that we are put on the chopping board.

If I'm under the spot light for negative attentions I'd like to say "folks, let's at least put things in perspective." U.S. has a population of 300 million, of which roughly half is within the range of working ages. USCIS granted about a million greencards last year, of which only 162,176 were employment based. That is 0.1% of America’s work force, and 0.05% of the entire U.S. population. And that’s less than 6% of the number of the American people injured in car accidents in 2005. Talking about something that hurts a lot of Americans badly, let’s give automobile safety the attention it deserves, which should be 20 times that paid to employment based immigration. On the other hand, if we look at the educational background of these immigrants compared to the same age group of all American workforce I would not be surprised that the earlier surpasses the later by a large margin. That is the whole idea of employment based immigration. Accept a small group of highly educated and skilled foreigners into the society to fuel and energize its workforce and economy. Now this mere 0.05% of people, who already have to pay and struggle to stay legal thanks to the current immigration system, somehow becomes a huge crowd of seagulls and snitches that descend upon the entire country and rob jobs from everyone and kicks Americans into unemployment. Is there any justice or intelligence in that perception? Trying to fix the right problem by focusing on the wrong issues doesn’t help. Hasn’t the country learned enough lessons on this in the past 8 years? To the media, fact skewed out of proportion is a lie. Misleading the people on key national issues is unethical and unpatriotic.

H-1B holders, who are the candidates for employment based immigration, are lawful residents. That means we are subject to all responsibilities such as taxation. We pay all taxes including those the benefits of which we aren’t even entitled to, such as social security and Medicare. We are subject to all laws and regulations as Americans and on top of that immigration law as well, which eliminates many forms of freedom enjoyed by an average citizen. To those sound advocates against immigration, who do you think you are to have the right to alienate us like we have no rights at all in this society? We aren’t robbing you, we are creating wealth for the country. We didn’t play through our earlier years, we worked hard in college and many in graduate schools as well. We aren’t sitting around collecting social benefit, we are paying for it.

I remember watching a movie where in the old times a few African American kids witnessed a black slave being set on fire. One kid later said “I saw fear in my friends’ eyes and at the same time, shame.” In some ways that’s our sentiment. We cave in when faced with unfair treatments and blames. When there is some news about a man killing his whole family after losing his job, some feel like it’s our fault. Has it occurred to anyone that his mental health was a bigger suspect for the crime than his employment status? Tough times create anger and division. In my opinion that’s the kind of ride this country has been taking until the 2008 election. This is a tough time no doubt, but it’s also the right time to restore sanity instead of injecting more biased, harmful and plainly wrong opinions into people’s mind. Immigration, although not written in the Constitution, has always been a foundation of this country. Employment based immigrants are the modern day elites of U.S. immigration. And there is nothing more American than equity and hard working. That's what we believe in and what we ask for. Immigrants are citizens by choice. That’s something to be proud of.

For once America, try to tackle the right problem by focusing on the right issues. It’s about time!

Nice statement bro/sis

[belmontboy]

Whats next?? Sending a letter to Walmart to stop importing from china and sell american goods?

H1B use is being sensationalised, particularly by anti's. Bad economy is not helping us.

But remember, businesses are run by capitalists. As the CNBC video suggests, they don't want to be told how to run their business, especially, companies who havenot received any bailout money.

Microsoft responded well. I hope others follow suit and ask these people to shutup.

[gapala]

Originally Posted by belmontboy

Whats next?? Sending a letter to Walmart to stop importing from china and sell american goods?

H1B use is being sensationalised, particularly by anti's. Bad economy is not helping us.

But remember, businesses are run by capitalists. As the CNBC video suggests, they don't want to be told how to run their business, especially, companies who havenot received any bailout money.

Microsoft responded well. I hope others follow suit and ask these people to shutup.

I like your predictive question American goods? Have you seen those trash cars? Ludicrously expensive and little value. Given the life style, 80% of the folks in this country would not be able afford anything if that happens. Express pathway to 3rd world.

[belmontboy]

Originally Posted by gapala

American goods? Have you seen those trash cars? Ludicrously expensive and little value. Given the life style, 80% of the folks in this country would not be able afford anything if that happens. Express pathway to 3rd world.

Exactly my point. The experts at CNBC summarized it very well calling "Pseudo Patriotism".

Businesses are driven by market needs. Business decisions are in conjunction with increasing business revenues and to please share holders.
In layman terms, there is a reason why Walmart buy's goods from China. There is a reason why H1B program was started (being shortage of highly skilled labor)
Trying to change status quo is a serious threat to any business in these difficult times.

[johnwright03]

Congressional Research Service -- has given the analysis of the US immigrants for the year 2008. http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/115872.pdf
I don't think we need to panic on this...looking at the stats for the H1b workers number...

[Angry White Male]

Originally Posted by belmontboy

Exactly my point. The experts at CNBC summarized it very well calling "Pseudo Patriotism".

Businesses are driven by market needs. Business decisions are in conjunction with increasing business revenues and to please share holders.
In layman terms, there is a reason why Walmart buy's goods from China. There is a reason why H1B program was started (being shortage of highly skilled labor)
Trying to change status quo is a serious threat to any business in these difficult times.

The current H-1B program is filled with fraud and Americans are working to eliminate it.

Got any fake resumes for me to read, Belmontboy?

[Angry White Male]

Originally Posted by belmontboy

Whats next?? Sending a letter to Walmart to stop importing from china and sell american goods?

Whats next?? Telling Indians to stop using fake resumes when they apply for H-1B?

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by Angry White Male

Whats next?? Telling Indians to stop using fake resumes when they apply for H-1B?

welcome back , looks like u missed your ass whopping bad