get a life............

[nitinboston]

This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

[PresidentO]

Because your title and your message are at odds with each other.

Did you just get out a meeting where the shouting match involved getting a life?

Mr Elite, Now by 2010 please move to the north of border and dont hang in here.

Troll Alert!!!

[kshitijnt]

USA has a right to choose who they give green card to but not fool Indian people by swinging visa bulletin by 4 years every now and then. Not by discriminating. There should be some transparency to the process and law should be followed. If USA makes a law that Indians wont get GC in EB, I am happy to note. Can they remove their gloves?

[deba]

Well said!

[WaitingUnlimited]

First of all...Welcome to Immigration Voice.

Nitin, how do you think that people who are here in this forum does not know about the other options available? Where in this world you get as many opportunities as you get in USA? Where can you get the flexible life like here?

How many IT jobs are there in Canada (assuming most of the members in IV are into IT)? Canada Alberta program increased processing times to 8 months now and it excludes federal processing times. Federal application method takes more than one and half years.

So its good that you have chosen an alternative and worked out well, but your alternative many not be an alternative or not even option to all!!!

[deepakjain]

I being in US has more self esteem attached to it rather then anything else.

Please do not speak about forgery and unfair means of getting H1B and even applying for GC.

If the GC is to be given based on proper expertise, experience, qualification, experience letters, working knowledge then close to 50% of those crying foul can be sent back home without any issue by US authorities.

USCIS should look at all EB applications on Indian nationals, setup interview and one on one meeting do spot verification...doing this will speed up everything.......

[old_hat]

Originally Posted by nitinboston

This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

People of every country have the right to get whoever they want. The only question is are those rules clear and also are the decisions being made for the correct reasons. If they announce that they do not want to give GCs to anyone people will make up their minds if they want to go now or whenever there visa expires based on their personal situation.

[nitinboston]

I didn't meant to hurt feelings here. and i know how Canada is less opportunity for IT folks. but just couple more points.

1) if number of jobs was criterion, India has far higher number of jobs in IT then US, so people should be rushing bk to India which is not the case. I don't think number of Jobs available in US is why people wanna live here. Even if it takes year or a little more, at least Canadians are transparent about the process.

2) I know everyone here is well read and well educated. Read up about AUS, NZ, Canada and few other countries which have point bases system, they are not under developed or backward in any way. Wikipedia might help.

And please read carefully, my wife is on another beauty of a status called H4B, i mentioned clearly i know how easily people got their H1B's through consultants.

[old_hat]

Sorry nitin my bad. I did not read it correctly. My mistake. I will edit my earlier post.

[Raji]

Very wise of you Nitin. I doubt that anyone in this forum disagrees with what you have said.

But I also believe that IV members are here to address some issues confronting them re the GC processing. I would focus on things that need doing - the core agenda - not on fraud committed by some handful of persons, and who has got his/her spouse a job where. These are not issues that concern us - there are enough crabs in the anti-basket to bring legal immigrants down - its a stunning revelation that USCIS can at random hike fees, lengthen process, and leave legal immigrants in a limbo for years on end. Indeed the system is so incoherent that to this day they are unable to give us a reply on waiting times and our place in the line. I prsonally have yet to see such an ill-defined and poorly organized immigration system anytwhere in the world. Every nation - be it Canada, Australia, NZ, or UK have a clear outline and timeline as to fees, waiting periods, rights and responsbilities of people in the line to immigrate - be it for PR or citizenship. And this is the very least we too can expect of the US immigration system. A big push is needed for immigration reform for legal immigrants. And we are not likely to get anywhere if our focus will be on issues that are raised in anti-immigration forums. This is not to say these issues do not exist - the point I am trying to make is that they are NOT OUR issues.

We only need to focus on the positive. The contributions of the genuine, law-abiding majority of legal H1B who come from many nations across the world and get stuck for years on an artificially created queue. The fact that we have come here on an H1 B visa which by law allowed us to file for a GC. The issue @ hand is waiting time, and associated concerns, an attempt to end retrogression, remove per country limits or at least align them with H!B intake numbers, and recapture of visa numbers. Many of us have lived here 7+ years, have put down some roots, and would like to see some positive end to this frustraing wait. We also need to Q the DHS and CIS process why we are indefinately funding the CIS and seeing no result to our cases. No one likes their life to be held up and that is why we need to get together to end this unfair wait.

To Core: I would argue that the issues that need to be fixed re GC for legal EB immigrants are issues of PROCESS not POLICY. Yes, these issues are often rolled into a bundle and presented as policy - I would argue that they need to be DELINKED from CIR and such like that focus on policy based issues regarding illegal immigrants. This nation already has a policy to allow people to immigrate legally - the problems are in the proces of executing that policy. That and that alone needs to be our focus.

Regards,
Raji

[nitinboston]

Folks don't get me wrong, i understand what you guys are going through. my family and close friends are in same limbo. and if any of you has spouse on H4 you will surely know the wonderful status it is to be in. All i am saying is, if there is too much demand for something, there will be a price attached to it. A British can get US gc faster then a Indian cause there are not that many british who wanna come here. and Since USCIS knows we are almost on our knees, they treat us like dirt. Once the demand goes down and more and more Indians will start to look else where, they will start treating us with respect too. Case in pint china, track its history with USCIS, Chinese no longer flock to US, in fact its US who now depends on Chinese money and all and treats its citizens with respect.

[bikram_das_in]

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

If you bring in a worker with a path to citizenship and make the laws so ambiguous that even after 10 years he/she does not know when to reach the destination in that path is a violation of basic human rights.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

The choice kind of goes back and forth. Getting H1b - yes You can work...Delaying/Rejecting GC...No can't work. It may be rejected without even the fault of the individual. Path to citizenship is an eyewash...there is not path to citizenship for a foreign worker at individual level.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian ....

Punish the guilty and do not stereotype. USCIS report says only 20% of H1b is bad.

5) We all have best back up....Saare Jahan Se Achha....

Originally Posted by nitinboston

This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

[joydiptac]

Nitin,

US archaic GC rules just lost a potential great immigrant to Canada.

And I agree that everyone should have a life. I suppose they have one too. They have the right to have their own opinion. Guess what? It might be that they like to hang around other Desis in the same boat that may be the reason why they come here.

BTW, Congratulations for your Candian PR.

n'

Joy

P.S> This immigration thing is like betting on a stock. Question is do you buy "puts" to insure your long position or not? For all you know Canda might turn out to be top dog in another decade. They have the resources, the land and a bunchof good people.

[piyu7444]

Originally Posted by nitinboston

This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

Nitin

USCIS has a format which needs to be followed to get a GC. We all know that how much they follow the format/procedure and how much they screw people from India/China (mostly Indians)

There is no set goal to be just in a WESTERN Country but there is an option to be in US (or for argument UK AUS etc) but that is an option. No one forces us to be here or to be anywhere.........Arn't we here by choice?

I am now sick of hearing about the fraud on h1b. If 20 people out of 100 are like bad apples does that gives USCIS the right to screw people from that country for GC. What is the relationship here? Why all Indians have to suffer due to some pathetic people? Why do we GENERALISE such things?

Not defending any of those people but if someone KNOWS S/W testing and that person is skilled in it why cant that person work? Just the damn degree does not gives anything, one needs real work knowledge.

Could write more but I guess I m done with this post....

[snathan]

Originally Posted by nitinboston

This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.

Few points:

1) having gc is a privilege not a right.

2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.

3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.

4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing

5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.

Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.

Nitin

I would have taken it seriouly if you didnt spend six years in the US and did not run away to the Canada. Atleast if you gone back to india, it makes much more sense.