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Old 06-28-2006, 10:08 PM
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There will be a big demonstration in support of comprehensive immigration reform outside the hearings on the immigration bills next Wednesday in Philadelphia. If there anybody would like to speak, I could try to get you on the list.
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National media will be there. This will get publicity.
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Sure. Tell me exactly day and time. I will make sure I am miles away from that. I just don't want to be identified with the "amnesty bill" since that is getting increasingly unpopular these days.
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Sure. Tell me exactly day and time. I will make sure I am miles away from that. I just don't want to be identified with the "amnesty bill" since that is getting increasingly unpopular these days.
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Yes, once "They" identify "You" the consequences can be severe.
Beware! Big Brother is watching.

That is the reason I didn't support the US soccer team at World Cup.
US team is so unpopular in Europe Given a choice between popularity and doing the right thing, I guess popularity always wins

Hilarious! Couldn't resist
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The reality is there will not be another immigration bill this year if CIR does not make it. And calling CIR the "amnesty bill" means some of us may have started pandering to and unfortunately have fallen for the anti-immigrationists propaganda trap. That is fine if one thinks its okay to wait for another two years while a new congress settles in and for key immigration bills to come to the floor. However "cutting and running" is what we do when out of fear of association we fail to stand up and speak up and explain our motivating cause which is the plight of legal law abiding immigrants who contribute legally to this country. In my own personal opinion this is an excellent opportunity that can put IV in the spot light and distinguish IV for standing up for highly skilled immigrants. This requires good orational and communication skills so that one is not misquoted. If it takes wearing a t-shirt saying "Support Legal Immigrants" then so be it, but lets not cut and run on the basis of someone elses propaganda. If IV opts out then let it be because we could not find someone who could clearly get our unique message and goals out. Thanks to randallemery for bringing this opportunity to IV's attention and I hope the IV core will respond appropriately as this needs to be a well coordinated effort. When people fully understand the humanitarian reasons why legal immigrants need relief through CIR they tend to be more compassionate and supportive. However if we sit and twiddle our thumbs because of what Lou Dobbs says then we are doing exactly what these anti-immigrationists want us to do. The primary victory of Rep Chris Cannon (R) in Utah ought to be a shot in the arm for those fighting for CIR. Instead of cutting and running he supported CIR, the anti-immigrationist opponents attacked CIR and in the end they still lost. Rep Cannon had the opportunity of being associated with the alleged "amnesty" bill but he stood up bravely to be counted as a CIR supporter and prevailed in the end.

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Hello jkays94,

Excellent post. The fear of some kind of retribution due to association or participation in standing up to put forward our grievances is something that has, in some way effected every effort for making the change. And often times, this fear is based on lack of knowledge of the system and law.

A friend of mine had sent the information about a book ‘Democracy in America’. And if I may quote from that book -

“In no country in the world has the principle of association been more successfully used, or more unsparingly applied to a multitude of different objects, than in America.”

“The most natural privilege of man, next to the right of acting for himself, is that of combining his exertions with those of his fellow-creatures, and of acting in common with them. I am therefore led to conclude that the right of association is almost as inalienable as the right of personal liberty.”

At the same time, the fear of retribution for some of the members is well understood as we all have families and responsibilities. And everybody’s perception on the level of risk involved and the capacity to take the risk for a cause/purpose is different. We ought to overcome our fears as this is a just cause and we are petitioning to bring back the fairness to the system. The system was never designed or intended to work in a way where it takes 6-12 years for people to get their employment based green cards. And as you rightly pointed out, CIR presents us all with the opportunity to fix the problem. I have lot of respect for Randallemery, who is a born citizen of US and continues to help us in this just cause.

Thank you Randallemery.

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What else we lose if we stand up the plate to express some legitimate concerns?

Most of the members of this forum (and so many more) have already lost the prime time of their lives because we just followed the path of playing by rules.

Unless some compelling personal reasons, i do not see any thing wrong to raise the voice

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Yes, once "They" identify "You" the consequences can be severe.
Beware! Big Brother is watching.

That is the reason I didn't support the US soccer team at World Cup.
US team is so unpopular in Europe Given a choice between popularity and doing the right thing, I guess popularity always wins

Hilarious! Couldn't resist
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My friend

What else we lose if we stand up the plate to express some legitimate concerns?

Most of the members of this forum (and so many more) have already lost the prime time of their lives because we just followed the path of playing by rules.

Unless one has some compelling personal reasons, i do not see any thing wrong to raise the voice

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Yes, once "They" identify "You" the consequences can be severe.
Beware! Big Brother is watching.

That is the reason I didn't support the US soccer team at World Cup.
US team is so unpopular in Europe Given a choice between popularity and doing the right thing, I guess popularity always wins

Hilarious! Couldn't resist
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What else we lose if we stand up the plate to express some legitimate concerns?

Most of the members of this forum (and so many more) have already lost the prime time of their lives because we just followed the path of playing by rules.

Unless some compelling personal reasons, i do not see any thing wrong to raise the voice
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satyasaich,

I am sorry for the misunderstanding. It seems my attempt at sarcasm didn't work.

CIR is not amnesty. It is a solution to a problem. People who label CIR as "amnesty" are narrowly viewing the legal definition rather than taking the broader view of trying to solve the problem of immigration. The issue here is not what is the legal definition of amnesty but a comprehensive solution to immigration.

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It's next Wednesday morning on July 5th on Independence Mall in downtown Philadelphia. Give me a call or email me if you are interested. I would need to know right away though.

You can find my contact info here:

http://americanfamiliesunited.com/in...id=12&Itemid=3
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