Idea Implemetations : To what extend people may be participating?

[singhsa3]

Folks,
What I am presenting is a simple but radical idea and I am NOT really looking for whether you agree or not but what I am looking for the extent to which this idea (for that matter of fact any idea) could be supported by the members.

My argument is if increasing number of green cards is a controversial and painstaking issue then why not suggests something which is less controversial. So the idea is to urge the lawmakers for an interim relief as follows:
Note: This following is just a starter proposal and it has to be refined

“For the employment based category, if I-140 is approved and I-485 has been pending for 6 months, the person is eligible for AC21. In other words, the person has fulfilled all other criteria to become a permanent resident and is elligible to receive Green Cards, if the visa numbers were available and FBI name check were not an issue . In the absence of visa number and pending the outcome of security checks, such persons could be granted a “conditional residency” status that will enable the person to be eligible for all benefits as Green Card holders have, including no restrictions on the type of job the person can do”

Now the following work is needed:
• Further refine the proposal including research work as to what similar provisions have been proposed in the past and why they were not agreed upon.
• Identify target lawmakers and prepare the meeting materials.
• Identify and call on prospective volunteers for the meeting with the lawmakers.
• Identify and call on prospective volunteers for the monetary contribution.
• Meet with lawmakers (at least two meetings each)
• Organize regular meetings and all related communications.
• Send faxes and letters to the lawmakers and other influential parties.
• NEVER GIVE UP TRYING AND MAKING A DIFFERENCE

So please poll to what extent you are willing to participate on this idea or for that matter of fact any similar ideas
THIS IS A MULTIPLE SELECTION POLL , Choose as many options as you want.

[speddi]

There should be a provision in that "conditional residency" status that if 485 is denied after all the conditions specified by OP, the candidate should be allowed to go back to the previous status( for example H1 or H4) otherwise I dont see a big difference from the current situation but definetely seems a good idea.

[singhsa3]

Thats the beauty and meaning of "conditional residency" idea. The I-485 should NOT be denied if
a) I-140 is approved
b) I-485 has been pending for 180 days and the person can prove that he has been employed with the same employer for that time period.
c) Security checks are done.
In other words, the person is found elligible to recieve green card if the visa number was available at the end of 180 days period.

Originally Posted by speddi

There should be a provision in that "conditional residency" status that if 485 is denied after all the conditions specified by OP, the candidate should be allowed to go back to the previous status( for example H1 or H4) otherwise I dont see a big difference from the current situation but definetely seems a good idea.

[singhsa3]

bump

[walking_dude]

No offence meant, we should concentrate on a "Permanent" fix to the problem (any problem, not just GC) rather than attempt temporary fixes.

This campaign will require the same amount of resources, dedication, contributions , lobbying etc. that would be needed for a campaign to get a Permanent Fix. Then, why not spend those scarce resources on the "Permanent Fix"!!

Also, IMO IV needs to be consistent in it's demand to be considered a serious Organization in the political circles. If IV becomes a "demand of the day" organization which keeps shooting at moving targets - Earned GC, FIFO GC processing, Conditional GC etc. - which keeps shifting every day; no one will take IV seriously!

[singhsa3]

No offence taken but I want to discuss this issue. The permanent fix is required but that is going to take a long time we need some interim relief. The three biggest obstacles in permanent fix is the misunderstanding of the issue (including delibrate twisiting of the facts), opposition and lack of support.
Our issue has been clubbed with undocumented issue and amnesty. And the first step is to separate our issue from these issues. In addition, we need to counter points made by groups like number usa.
I believe, the conditional green card helps us the following ways:

a) Amount of effort and lobbying required will be less.
b) It will not be viewed as amnesty , as these people were already found elligible for green card and there status remains conditional till visa numbers become available
c) Groups like number usa or Lou Dobbs cannot twist the facts or issue.
d) This could be a good compromise and win win for all.

Originally Posted by walking_dude

No offence meant, we should concentrate on a "Permanent" fix to the problem (any problem, not just GC) rather than attempt temporary fixes.

This campaign will require the same amount of resources, dedication, contributions , lobbying etc. that would be needed for a campaign to get a Permanent Fix. Then, why not spend those scarce resources on the "Permanent Fix"!!

Also, IMO IV needs to be consistent in it's demand to be considered a serious Organization in the political circles. If IV becomes a "demand of the day" organization which keeps shooting at moving targets - Earned GC, FIFO GC processing, Conditional GC etc. - which keeps shifting every day; no one will take IV seriously!

[sapota]

In the overall scheme of things, legal immigration reforms are tied to illegal immigration reform. A common US native citizen does not really much differentiate between the two. For them, an immigrant is an immigrant (legal or illegal)(The physician who performed my US GC medical check confused the increase in US GC medical applicants due to July VB fiasco to news in the media related to illegal immigration).

Bottom line is this :- Unless there is any consensus & legislation regarding illegal immigration, legal immigration reform will be in limbo. This is THE BIGGEST hurdle for legal immigration reform (not programmers guild, not FAIR). Recently Senator Cornyn tried to attach a legal immigration change to another piece of legislation but failed.

[singhsa3]

Thats the point I am making. Don't make it look like a tedious and controversial legislation. Just present it as an interim relief to otherwise elligible people.

Originally Posted by sapota

In the overall scheme of things, legal immigration reforms are tied to illegal immigration reform. A common US native citizen does not really much differentiate between the two. For them, an immigrant is an immigrant (legal or illegal)(The physician who performed my US GC medical check confused the increase in US GC medical applicants due to July VB fiasco to news in the media related to illegal immigration).

Bottom line is this :- Unless there is any consensus & legislation regarding illegal immigration, legal immigration reform will be in limbo. This is THE BIGGEST hurdle for legal immigration reform (not programmers guild, not FAIR). Recently Senator Cornyn tried to attach a legal immigration change to another piece of legislation but failed.

[kaisersose]

Originally Posted by singhsa3

Thats the point I am making. Don't make it look like a tedious and controversial legislation. Just present it as an interim relief to otherwise elligible people.

I like the idea. This would be more than just liberalization of the AC21 rule.

In addition to removing the restriction of working within job codes, other benefits available to GC holders such as reduced tuition in schools, easier access to loans, etc., will also be available. The only thing that will remain unchanged is the time required to gain elgibility for Naturalization.

All these benefits without demanding more quota and encountering opposition should be relatively easier to be passed into law. The idea is certainly worth some serious thought.

Good one,

[singhsa3]

Once I have around 20 people in support and execution of this idea, I will then discuss this with Aman (Kapoor) , Puneet (Arora), Jay (Pradhan) and other core members, for the next steps.

Originally Posted by kaisersose

I like the idea. This would be more than just liberalization of the AC21 rule.

In addition to removing the restriction of working within job codes, other benefits available to GC holders such as reduced tuition in schools, easier access to loans, etc., will also be available. The only thing that will remain unchanged is the time required to gain elgibility for Naturalization.

All these benefits without demanding more quota and encountering opposition should be relatively easier to be passed into law. The idea is certainly worth some serious thought.

Good one,

[walking_dude]

Don't get me wrong, I would be happy if the proposal gets passed into law.

However don't expect NO opposition or any lesser opposition from anti-Immigrants and Congressmen sympathetic to them.

If you guys still didn't understand it , here's what NumbersUSA, FAIR etc want - they want us ALL out of here by - any means. It doesn't matter if we are getting GC, Temporary/Conditional GC or H1B. They will oppose any Visa any proposal which will allow us to live in the country for a long time. Their opposition is NOT to the increase in Visa numbers (though they make it sound so), their opposition is to US (Immigrants) living here.

They'll oppose even this measure to the fullest extent possible as 'Conditional GC' means we will all be here for a 'long term', and eventually ALL of us get our GCs in the long run. They'll oppose any measure that makes life easier for us. They want us to get frustrated and leave on our own.

[singhsa3]

NumberUSA or any other opposition group are there with a purpose and it is upto us how to strategize to beat them in there own game.
In my mind taking them heads on will take a real long time. And my concern right now is to get some interim relief and avoiding heads on fight.

What points anyone might have against this idea? Afterall, the persons in questions have fulfilled all requirements and anyways AC21 is available to such persons

Think hard , with clear mind. Not interms of attacking/countering prople (or group) but in terms of attacking/countering the problem.

Originally Posted by walking_dude

Don't get me wrong, I would be happy if the proposal gets passed into law.

However don't expect NO opposition or any lesser opposition from anti-Immigrants and Congressmen sympathetic to them.

If you guys still didn't understand it , here's what NumbersUSA, FAIR etc want - they want us ALL out of here by - any means. It doesn't matter if we are getting GC, Temporary/Conditional GC or H1B. They will oppose any Visa any proposal which will allow us to live in the country for a long time. Their opposition is NOT to the increase in Visa numbers (though they make it sound so), their opposition is to US (Immigrants) living here.

They'll oppose even this measure to the fullest extent possible as 'Conditional GC' means we will all be here for a 'long term', and eventually ALL of us get our GCs in the long run. They'll oppose any measure that makes life easier for us. They want us to get frustrated and leave on our own.

[walking_dude]

It will be a head on fight with them no matter what we do. Because they want to 'fight us ' and drive us out of USA. That's a fact of life.

They have a very 'critical point' to oppose this idea - It will keep us here and help us get GC in the long run. They don't give a rats-behind about our eligibility or Ac21. As far as they're concerned - we are invading cheap-labor Aliens polluting the environment.

Ask Roy Beck (president of NumbersUSA) about AC21 and I'm sure he'll say 'Repeal it as it will allow cheap imported labor to steal more American jobs and add more Aliens to pollute our environment'.

Point is, these guys are not interested in logical arguments. They live by 'fear-mongering' - that is selling 'fear of the aliens' to the Americans.

Originally Posted by singhsa3

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In my mind taking them heads on will take a real long time. And my concern right now is to get some interim relief and avoiding heads of fight.

What points anyone might have against this idea? Afterall, the persons in questions have fulfilled all requirements and anyways AC21 is available to such persons

Think hard , with clear mind.

[kaisersose]

Back in the 19th century, during the Irish Potato famine, boatloads of Irish immigrants landed in the US as they had nothing left back home. They met with a lot of hostility as they were considered dirty people who were here to steal American jobs for cheap Labor.

This constant whining over foreigners coming in to steal American Jobs is nothing new - it is 150+ years old. But in spite of over a hundred years of opposition to foreign labor, the concept of foreign labor still exists in the US which shows these groups have ben unsuccessful in impressing their narrow views on the people that matter.

I would not lose any sleep over the possible impact of these groups. If they failed to do it in 150 years, the chances of them acheiving something now are very remote.

[singhsa3]

I think you are not understanding what I am trying to say. Send me your phone number in PM and I will explain what I am talking about.

Just ignore NumberUSA etc. for now..at least for this issue

Originally Posted by walking_dude

It will be a head on fight with them no matter what we do. Because they want to 'fight us ' and drive us out of USA. That's a fact of life.

They have a very 'critical point' to oppose this idea - It will keep us here and help us get GC in the long run. They don't give a rats-behind about our eligibility or Ac21. As far as they're concerned - we are invading cheap-labor Aliens polluting the environment.

Ask Roy Beck (president of NumbersUSA) about AC21 and I'm sure he'll say 'Repeal it as it will allow cheap imported labor to steal more American jobs and add more Aliens to pollute our environment'.

Point is, these guys are not interested in logical arguments. They live by 'fear-mongering' - that is selling 'fear of the aliens' to the Americans.