Possible new bill to put more restrictions on us

[sanju]

If recent developments and reports are any indicators of whats going to hit us soon, here is a today's article in Business week -

http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...pStories_ssi_5

"Senators Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), who have been among the program's chief critics, say they plan to reintroduce legislation to change the program by the beginning of April. That bill would require all companies getting H-1B visas to try to hire Americans first and place restrictions on companies that attempt to use H-1B visas for outsourcing. "I am not against immigration…but I don't want H-1B to be used as subterfuge," says Grassley. "I want to make sure that every employer searches to make sure there is no American available to do the job." They introduced a similar bill in 2007, but it was not enacted."


Tighten your belts, we are all in for a very tough ride ahead ....

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[vin13]

If they want to make sure that every employer searches to make sure there is no American to do the job, then they might as well issue the foreign employee the Green Card instead of H1-B.

[sanju]

Originally Posted by vin13

If they want to make sure that every employer searches to make sure there is no American to do the job, then they might as well issue the foreign employee the Green Card instead of H1-B.

They are not working to make the system better, they want to change it to make it useless for everyone.

I think their real intension is not to make employer search. Like last time they will propose changes which will make it impossible for people like us to stay and wait for our green cards. So the real intension is to create conditions to throw everyone out.

This entire community is oblivious to what is going to hit us, very soon. And we will soon find out that the light at the end of the tunnel is a fast approaching train towards us, which will sabotage everything we all have worked for years. But that's ok, we will all have ourselves to blame.

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[HawaldarNaik]

I dont agree...the purpose of these kind of bills may be to try and reduce immigration...but the point i am trying to make is we are all part of the technical pool of a good to high quality.
So surely there will be bills that will try and reduce/eliminate the misuse of this Visa, more filtering, scrutiny etc...so that the unwanted resources who come with fake certificates etc will be weeded out
But for a economy to grow...immigration i beleive of good quality technical resources has to continue...and attempts to stifle it wil not be good for the economy...

[senthil1]

Actually if they enforce existing law that will be more than enough to minimise the H1b abuse. They need to target employers who are not paying bench, LCA Violation and Fake resumes. Also Lottery need to be eliminated and need to select best and bright among the candidates.

Originally Posted by sanju

If recent developments and reports are any indicators of whats going to hit us soon, here is a today's article in Business week -

http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...pStories_ssi_5

"Senators Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), who have been among the program's chief critics, say they plan to reintroduce legislation to change the program by the beginning of April. That bill would require all companies getting H-1B visas to try to hire Americans first and place restrictions on companies that attempt to use H-1B visas for outsourcing. "I am not against immigration…but I don't want H-1B to be used as subterfuge," says Grassley. "I want to make sure that every employer searches to make sure there is no American available to do the job." They introduced a similar bill in 2007, but it was not enacted."


Tighten your belts, we are all in for a very tough ride ahead ....

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[sanju]

Originally Posted by HawaldarNaik

I dont agree...the purpose of these kind of bills may be to try and reduce immigration...but the point i am trying to make is we are all part of the technical pool of a good to high quality.
So surely there will be bills that will try and reduce/eliminate the misuse of this Visa, more filtering, scrutiny etc...so that the unwanted resources who come with fake certificates etc will be weeded out
But for a economy to grow...immigration i beleive of good quality technical resources has to continue...and attempts to stifle it wil not be good for the economy...

That is what "you" think, which is different from what Grassley and Durbin think. What matters is what Grassley and Durbin think. They don't care what anyone of us "think". You cannot convince these people by branding yourself "technical pool of a good to high quality" just as you cannot quench your thirst by speaking the word "water".

If you think that they want to weed out "fake" people only, you will soon learn better than that. Till then, lets continue to live in fool's paradise believing what we want to believe.


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[sanju]

Originally Posted by senthil1

Actually if they enforce existing law that will be more than enough to minimise the H1b abuse. They need to target employers who are not paying bench, LCA Violation and Fake resumes. Also Lottery need to be eliminated and need to select best and bright among the candidates.

oh ya! and you think they don't know that. Trust me, they know it. They don't want to fix the system, they want to make it so difficult that it will be useless. That's what they plan on doing. So we can beat the drum of calling others "fake", but we will all be in the same boat on the scale of durbin and grassley. So there is no use of calling yourself a genius who can save the planet, because either way D&G don't care.


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[pbojja]

Originally Posted by sanju

If recent developments and reports are any indicators of whats going to hit us soon, here is a today's article in Business week -

http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...pStories_ssi_5

"Senators Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), who have been among the program's chief critics, say they plan to reintroduce legislation to change the program by the beginning of April. That bill would require all companies getting H-1B visas to try to hire Americans first and place restrictions on companies that attempt to use H-1B visas for outsourcing. "I am not against immigration…but I don't want H-1B to be used as subterfuge," says Grassley. "I want to make sure that every employer searches to make sure there is no American available to do the job." They introduced a similar bill in 2007, but it was not enacted."


Tighten your belts, we are all in for a very tough ride ahead ....

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I think they are digging the hole deeper and deeper .at the end they can not climb back . I think its high time for us to think whatz left in this country ? Why is GC every thing for us ?

They can not fix the health care system, why the hell I pay thousands of dollars every year for my insurance and medical bills . Why would hospital charge 1000$ for insurace and insurance pay only 100$ of it ? does this make sense ? Why cant they bill just 100$ so every indivdual can afford the bill with out insurance .

Its very hard in this country once you loose your job, may you have GC but its not going to pay you health insurance or mortage.

Its high time to discourage people to come to US . I m not being selfish ..I m being practical.

[PresidentO]

Originally Posted by senthil1

Actually if they enforce existing law that will be more than enough to minimise the H1b abuse. They need to target employers who are not paying bench, LCA Violation and Fake resumes. Also Lottery need to be eliminated and need to select best and bright among the candidates.

LMAO Who said that the new law is aimed at the elimination of H1B abuse? It is not for abuse my dear elitist, who refuses to update his profile after 690 posts ( unless you havent started yoru GC process.) It is for making the program so much painful that companies will say screw that. Dont think that all liquids that are white are milk.

[pbojja]

Originally Posted by senthil1

Actually if they enforce existing law that will be more than enough to minimise the H1b abuse. They need to target employers who are not paying bench, LCA Violation and Fake resumes. Also Lottery need to be eliminated and need to select best and bright among the candidates.

If they enforce strict H1 laws , your employer keep cancelling H1 once you loose job and you got to start your GC from the start . Looks like your company is highly professional ..I worked for one of those for 2 years and they give me 2 weeks notice once I loose the job at client ..Is that going to work us ?

[svr_76]

I think their rationale is valid. If "Indian Outsourcing" firms are the largest consumers of these visa types, it a double whammy for US. #1 Work is being shipped offshore #2 They bring in "onsite coordinators" as well as programmers on the H1B Visa. It should be either/or case and not both. I was reading an article on economictimes where Satyam HR/communication person said that they were moving "support staff" from onsite location back to India. I was rather surprising that the employer itself is refering to H1-B visa holders as "support staff". If they really were support staff why should they be on H1b?

[sanju]

Originally Posted by svr_76

I think their rationale is valid. If "Indian Outsourcing" firms are the largest consumers of these visa types, it a double whammy for US. #1 Work is being shipped offshore #2 They bring in "onsite coordinators" as well as programmers on the H1B Visa. It should be either/or case and not both. I was reading an article on economictimes where Satyam HR/communication person said that they were moving "support staff" from onsite location back to India. I was rather surprising that the employer itself is refering to H1-B visa holders as "support staff". If they really were support staff why should they be on H1b?

ok, so now, "outsourcing" argument. Look, why blame h1s for outsourcing. Why complicate it so much that h1s are coming here and they are promoting outsourcing? If the real issue is outsourcing, then why not just pass a 2 word bill that says "OUTSOURCING BANNED". Why to blame and then design system to hurt people waiting for green card for years and say "oh that's just to prevent outsourcing". You know how weired it sounds, because it is.

It doesn't end there. The more weired part is, folks like us subscribe to this argument of "outsourcing" because it has been published in the media repeatedly and now it has become " the truth". That's why I ask, what is truth? Is it something that is said the loudest or is it something that is believed by the majority? what is it??


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[Jerrome]

There is no other visa other than H1b and L1 to bring people to US for indian companies.

If infosys is trying to find an american to do what current onsite coordinator is doing then the projects will be doomed and automatically all the offshoring will fail.

I think thats what this new regulations want to achieve. They won't ban oursouring, they will just make it to fail and make the corporates to bring them back.

This environment is just to make offshoring model to fail. Don't worry next inline will be people waiting for Green Cards.

[ArkBird]

Sure... While we are there, we should also check the western Europe to see if anyone qualified to take up this job before we import filthy Asians

This is xenophobia at it's best.

Originally Posted by sanju

If recent developments and reports are any indicators of whats going to hit us soon, here is a today's article in Business week -

http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...pStories_ssi_5

"Senators Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), who have been among the program's chief critics, say they plan to reintroduce legislation to change the program by the beginning of April. That bill would require all companies getting H-1B visas to try to hire Americans first and place restrictions on companies that attempt to use H-1B visas for outsourcing. "I am not against immigration…but I don't want H-1B to be used as subterfuge," says Grassley. "I want to make sure that every employer searches to make sure there is no American available to do the job." They introduced a similar bill in 2007, but it was not enacted."


Tighten your belts, we are all in for a very tough ride ahead ....

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[bigboy007]

What ever might be the bill or messages... One things is straight... Outsourcing firms will find a way.. No matter what H1 else L1 else B1 else .... as its also Inter-national issue. Current enforcement would be best but Congress want to appease constituents and after all these days of abuse and with recession it has the best chance to pass now.. unfortunately....