is this really good news

[sanjuu]

12/14/2011: Irish Community - A Big Comrade to H.R. 3012

This site reported, immediately after the passage of H.R. 3012 in the House, Irish move to amend H.R. 3012 because they saw it a fantastic opportunity to get their immigration agenda through the Congress. Why? Because it was unprecedent that a bill had passed in the House 389 to 15 majority yeas. This site thus reported the Irish move will turn out to be an asset for the H.R. 3012 sponsors to tackle the opposition in the Senate. At the end of the day, H.R. 3012 may not survive itself but the substance and goals of H.R. 3012 had a chance to survive in different forms as seen in Sen. Chuck Schumer's S. 1983. Senator Schumer, a big veteran legislator, skillfully handled the matter by bypassing H.R. 3012 or its companion bill, S. 1857 and introducing it as a separate bill, S. 1983. Look who is cosponsoring S. 1983, Senator Dick Durbin!! The pal of Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa in piecemeal employment-based immigration opposition! Click here to see how hard the Irish community is lobbying for the bill. What an astonishing and unanticipated big ally for the H.R. 3012!

12/14/2011: Three Most Powerful Democrats Introduced in Senate Compromised Employment-Based/Family-Based Immigration Bill

Sen Chuck Schumer of New York, co-sponsored Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois and Sen. Leahy of Vermont, introduced yesterday S.1983 to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and for other reform. Obviously other reform includes relief of Irish which we discussed during last few days. It thus appears that this bill could be a bill to compromise H.R. 3012 and Irish relief. Read on. It thus appears that rather than introducing Irish relief bill, he added Irish E-3 visa and illegal Irish relief provision to H.R. 3012 which the House passes. Full text has yet to be made available. Stay tuned.

[mechanical13]

Yes, this is good news.

Please edit your response and add credits to it.

IV should not be blamed for plagiarism!

[sanjuu]

The source of my previous post is

The Oh Law Firm

Also, you can read this

Senator Charles Schumer unveils new Irish visa bill | Irish News | IrishCentral

So, it seems apart from us we have now got our Irish partners.

[haramihokie]

This is really good news - Irish are also very well organized politically

[mechanical13]

Thank you.

GO IV GO!

[Gandhi_II]

S. 1866 as well, and it has 10 co-sponsors. I am sure IV has worked tirelessly behind the scenes on these bills. Keep the faith folks and please follow IV's lead on action items.

[newdif]

Awesome, GO IV GO!!

[lost_in_migration]

Its hard to say if this is a good or a bad thing. There are a few factors about the bill
that are not yet clear

Contentious Issues
1) Legalisation of undocumented.
2) Addition of 10000 Visas.
3) The fact that its only for Irish can also be an issue. (Depends on the strength of Irish lobby)

1 & 2 above are killers and 1+2=DoA

Workaround through amendments
1) No relaxation in E-3 requirments
2) Sharing the E-3 Visa pool with Australians. Currently 2K-3k visas are used by
Australians. If this bill passes then rest can go to Irish. This might not have the same
intensity of opposition as addition of Visas except from the die hard anti-immigrants and
other interest groups who may want to get a ride on the E-3 bus (which in turn has
hitchhiked HR3012 trailer).
3) Elimination of E3-for-Irish provision altogether.

Dick Durbin & Patrick Leahy (two co-sponsors of S.1983) have Irish connection.
Dick's father is Irish and Leahy's grandparents came from Ireland so they may
feel strongly about E-3 provision for the Irish. In the email response from Dick
to a HR 3012 supporter, he has put strong emphasis on Diversity. Ofcourse diversity
can take a back seat when DREAM & E3-Irish are to be considered.

But there is no denying that Schumer, Durbin & Leahy are powerful senators and
although they may not care for a stand-alone HR 3012 but purely for the sake of E3-Irish
they may go ahead with the formalities needed to avoid cloture, just incase Grassley
tries to put a hold on S.1983. (FYI: Out of the 14 bills currently on hold, Grassley is involved in 9 of those!!)

In contrast with S.1857, the dem-sponsored S.1983 once introduced is unlikely to pass
on unanimous consent/voice vote. Amendments might get added by republicans in
committee or on senate floor to eliminate E3 provision. If these amendments pass then
S.1983 might be identical to S.1857. In that case I'm not sure if it would be considered
as a companion bill to HR 3012 but if it does then that will be the best case scenario for
us. If it passes with E3 then a similar bill has to clear the house which seems pretty
unlikely given the republican control on it.

E3-Irish can act like a booster on a rocket which propels it by its power but also pulls it
down by its weight. But just like a rocket if this booster falls off after reaching the
required height (read "passing through the senate") then our objective is accomplished

__________________________________________________ ______________
[Disclaimer: On the personal front I'm neither in favor nor against the E3-for-Irish idea. I just hope it does not adversely impact the passage of HR 3012 in senate. One good thing about this bill is at least the provisions of Hr3012 would get considered in some form rather than rotting in the "Hold" put by the great senator.]

[gvenkat]

Any time you see words like "undocumented", "illegal" etc.. You tend to think negative.. But this is Irish, since US has roots to Irish there is a chance this may actually go through. But first these congressmen and senators need to come to a conclusion about the payroll tax cut.

I surely hope this bill clears this year itself, I'm not comfortable if this goes next year.

I have done all action items as well.

[sri1309]

Originally Posted by lost_in_migration

Its hard to say if this is a good or a bad thing. There are a few factors about the bill
that are not yet clear

Contentious Issues
1) Legalisation of undocumented.
2) Addition of 10000 Visas.
3) The fact that its only for Irish can also be an issue. (Depends on the strength of Irish lobby)

1 & 2 above are killers and 1+2=DoA

Workaround through amendments
1) No relaxation in E-3 requirments
2) Sharing the E-3 Visa pool with Australians. Currently 2K-3k visas are used by
Australians. If this bill passes then rest can go to Irish. This might not have the same
intensity of opposition as addition of Visas except from the die hard anti-immigrants and
other interest groups who may want to get a ride on the E-3 bus (which in turn has
hitchhiked HR3012 trailer).
3) Elimination of E3-for-Irish provision altogether.

Dick Durbin & Patrick Leahy (two co-sponsors of S.1983) have Irish connection.
Dick's father is Irish and Leahy's grandparents came from Ireland so they may
feel strongly about E-3 provision for the Irish. In the email response from Dick
to a HR 3012 supporter, he has put strong emphasis on Diversity. Ofcourse diversity
can take a back seat when DREAM & E3-Irish are to be considered.

But there is no denying that Schumer, Durbin & Leahy are powerful senators and
although they may not care for a stand-alone HR 3012 but purely for the sake of E3-Irish
they may go ahead with the formalities needed to avoid cloture, just incase Grassley
tries to put a hold on S.1983. (FYI: Out of the 14 bills currently on hold, Grassley is involved in 9 of those!!)

In contrast with S.1857, the dem-sponsored S.1983 once introduced is unlikely to pass
on unanimous consent/voice vote. Amendments might get added by republicans in
committee or on senate floor to eliminate E3 provision. If these amendments pass then
S.1983 might be identical to S.1857. In that case I'm not sure if it would be considered
as a companion bill to HR 3012 but if it does then that will be the best case scenario for
us. If it passes with E3 then a similar bill has to clear the house which seems pretty
unlikely given the republican control on it.

E3-Irish can act like a booster on a rocket which propels it by its power but also pulls it
down by its weight. But just like a rocket if this booster falls off after reaching the
required height (read "passing through the senate") then our objective is accomplished

__________________________________________________ ______________
[Disclaimer: On the personal front I'm neither in favor nor against the E3-for-Irish idea. I just hope it does not adversely impact the passage of HR 3012 in senate. One good thing about this bill is at least the provisions of Hr3012 would get considered in some form rather than rotting in the "Hold" put by the great senator.]

Good theory. I liked your analysis.. Keep it up and keep us more educated on things like this.

[mechanical13]

Originally Posted by gvenkat

Any time you see words like "undocumented", "illegal" etc.. You tend to think negative.. But this is Irish, since US has roots to Irish there is a chance this may actually go through. But first these congressmen and senators need to come to a conclusion about the payroll tax cut.

I surely hope this bill clears this year itself, I'm not comfortable if this goes next year.

I have done all action items as well.

I agree. The irish are the strongest lobbying group out there.

I'd say that they will ram rod it through. They've introduced the undocumented irish clause, but I am pretty certain that no one, not even Sen Schumer, expects it to survive the judicial committee.

The fact that Sen Schumer, Sen. Durbin and others have Irish roots is very important. Its akin to Bobby Jindal fighting for HR 3012 in the Luisiana Senate.

[Edison99]

yes, it is...

Originally Posted by sanjuu

12/14/2011: Irish Community - A Big Comrade to H.R. 3012

12/14/2011: Three Most Powerful Democrats Introduced in Senate Compromised Employment-Based/Family-Based Immigration Bill

[thomachan72]

Originally Posted by mechanical13

I agree. The irish are the strongest lobbying group out there.

I'd say that they will ram rod it through. They've introduced the undocumented irish clause, but I am pretty certain that no one, not even Sen Schumer, expects it to survive the judicial committee.

The fact that Sen Schumer, Sen. Durbin and others have Irish roots is very important. Its akin to Bobby Jindal fighting for HR 3012 in the Luisiana Senate.

Not akin my friend. Boby Jindal fighting for HR3012 is a "Dream" Wonder whether people like him even know their origins

[smuggymba]

Originally Posted by thomachan72

Not akin my friend. Boby Jindal fighting for HR3012 is a "Dream" Wonder whether people like him even know their origins

Bobby and Nikki will oppose 3012 if it benefits them. don't count on them like the Irish count on American Irish politicians.

[sdeshpan]

Originally Posted by smuggymba

Bobby and Nikki will oppose 3012 if it benefits them. don't count on them like the Irish count on American Irish politicians.

I think the Indian-American population in the US is the worst when it comes to supporting our cause...all other communities (Hispanic, Irish etc) support their own very steadfastly! It's rather unfortunate that Indians have never been able to stir that kind of community feeling within themselves!