HR 3012 general discussion since April 2012

[dts]

I am thinking to distribute new flyers ( current flyers everyone knows about) at Metropark, Edison, Metuchen in NJ train stations where I think 5000 - 6000 potential candidates ( majority might be in waiting queue or are on L1) exist.

I know everyone knows about Bill, but sending new flyers will reignite compaign, motivate and renew enthusiasm.
I am ready to spend $100-200 , but having more volunteers will help lot.

[gujju]

Originally Posted by pappu

Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.

Pappu ,

Thanks for the motivation and for always giving us hope.Hope is what makes it all better.We are with you and IV.

Rock On IV.
Gujju

[thomachan72]

Originally Posted by pappu

Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.

These are all secondary agenda items but thanks for brining them on.
However, HR3012 simply is a must given the situation we all are in. Its our only chance to get a fairness into the system. IV pls continue working hard on this.

[senram]

You need to port to EB2 to get GC faster at the same time you can take actions for HR3012. We never know how long it takes to pass HR3012. It may take months if any amendment is attached as it has to go to House again. It seems negotiations are going on with Grassley in the background. It shows that it may be difficult to override Grassley's Hold. Otherwise they might have already brought Cloture. Or they want to give respect to Grassley thoug the bill has support of 60 votes. Unless you came to know background information what is going on you need to port to Eb2 if possible

Originally Posted by gvenkat

Bro, we need to move on to Eb2 if nothing happens. I don't think I have the patience anymore. Yes or No for Hr3012 will help.

Atleast we will know what to do in case if this does not pass. I would rather have a yes/no answer than uncertainity.

P.S: Before some once asks me to do AI. I will say I have done my action items. Contributed 100$ initially and now a recurring contributor for 6 months.

[bpratap]

Originally Posted by samy

Thanks pappu for taking this initiative.

Also if IV help us in EB3 to EB2 porting, it will also help the backlogged people. If DOL simply process the application in 90 days (including audit) for second PERM application that itself hepls EB3 backlogg a lot. I am sure this change does not require congressional approval.

Porting EB2 has to be done / initiated by you, yourself. IV cannot help you on it.

Talk to your Manager, HR, Lawyer etc. to get the a EB2 Processed for you. and port ur case to Eb2. lately many employers are willing to do it. It shouldn't be a case where you didn't ask for it.

[Suva]

Pappu, thanks for the update. It's always good to see posts from you.

Originally Posted by pappu

Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.

[samy]

Originally Posted by bpratap

Porting EB2 has to be done / initiated by you, yourself. IV cannot help you on it.

Talk to your Manager, HR, Lawyer etc. to get the a EB2 Processed for you. and port ur case to Eb2. lately many employers are willing to do it. It shouldn't be a case where you didn't ask for it.

Sir, you did not read my post fully.

I requested my manager; then managers manager and then the HR manager. Then the lawyer. Finally they agreed. It all started in Summer 2009. I am stuck at Audit now. Total I spent 2 years so far.

I have masters and 25 years of experience. For Labor 18 years of experience.

All I am asking DOL can process the second PERM at a faster rate, provided some conditions are met.

Not all people can port. But if at least some port the EB3I queue will move faster.

[bpratap]

Originally Posted by samy

Sir, you did not read my post fully.

I requested my manager; then managers manager and then the HR manager. Then the lawyer. Finally they agreed. It all started in Summer 2009. I am stuck at Audit now. Total I spent 2 years so far.

I have masters and 25 years of experience. For Labor 18 years of experience.

All I am asking DOL can process the second PERM at a faster rate, provided some conditions are met.

Not all people can port. But if at least some port the EB3I queue will move faster.

Totally Agree !

if people who can port to Eb2, do the porting, it will not only help themselves, but also ease up the Eb3 Queue.

As far as I know (Correct me if I m wrong), Eb2 Labor is like a fresh Labor application, only at the I-140 stage, you are attaching your OLD PD to it. I have seen many people got their Labor approved in 2-3 months time. so not sure what is happening on ur case.

Sounds like the employer/ Lawyer have goofed up some where. May be on the Job description.

[DallasBlue]

Originally Posted by pappu

Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.

Senator Reid , Senator McConnell , Senator Cornyn, Senator Grassely,



Stop the discrimination.

How a doctor from Bangladesh is better than a doctor from Mexico? They all save lives when in emergency.

Fix the law that discriminates on the nationality of origin. Pass HR3012.

[dts]

Seems like Irish lobby and their false propaganda is major hurdle than Grassley hold.

Irish lobby and their supporter senators have taken H.R.3012 as hostage to pass their own provisions since three months.

Irish lobby is making claim that they are very powerful . Then why they need our support?
In fact, they know they do not have power to stand alone and hence need to ride with help of H.R.3012.

IV should start action Item to pressurize and convince Senators who are holding H.R.3012 to include Irish provision.

IV should work out plan to convince Senators to drop controversial amendments in non controversial bill and get bill for voting or cloture as early as possible.
Except few Senators, no one is in oppose of 3012. It can easily pass cloture.


Members, what do you think?

[thomachan72]

Originally Posted by dts

Seems like Irish lobby and their false propaganda is major hurdle than Grassley hold.

Irish lobby and their supporter senators have taken H.R.3012 as hostage to pass their own provisions since three months.

Irish lobby is making claim that they are very powerful . Then why they need our support?
In fact, they know they do not have power to stand alone and hence need to ride with help of H.R.3012.

IV should start action Item to pressurize and convince Senators who are holding H.R.3012 to include Irish provision.

IV should work out plan to convince Senators to drop controversial amendments in non controversial bill and get bill for voting or cloture as early as possible.
Except few Senators, no one is in oppose of 3012. It can easily pass cloture.


Members, what do you think?

The problem is that it is the norm for any bill. Bill for clean energy will have some amendment for "same sex marriage" in it. I guess it is a provision to help speed up the system but actually ends up hurting it. Our only option is to increase the lobbying power of IV and that would need more funds and lots more of it. We dont have Indian/Chinese senators helping us so we have to make up with other lobbying power. Anyway keep up doing the action items diligently and get more folks involved. That is the only way out.

[dts]

Originally Posted by thomachan72

The problem is that it is the norm for any bill. Bill for clean energy will have some amendment for "same sex marriage" in it. I guess it is a provision to help speed up the system but actually ends up hurting it. Our only option is to increase the lobbying power of IV and that would need more funds and lots more of it. We dont have Indian/Chinese senators helping us so we have to make up with other lobbying power. Anyway keep up doing the action items diligently and get more folks involved. That is the only way out.

Right. But why IV can not approach and take help from few Indian Origin Senators. IV can also approach Indian High commission Nirupama Roa who is powerful and great relations in Washington. She gave speech yesterday about how Indian companies helping US economy and creating jobs in US. If IV approach her, she can get lot more funding and lot more power by activating her channels. See, Irish Prime Minister talked to Senators last week about E-3 visas.
Why IV is not using Indian political channels , specially when Washington people now really listen what Indian diplomats say.

IV should start approaching available diplomatic channels.

[thomachan72]

Nirupama IFS raising funds for us you must be kidding, right? It is not as simple as you think. Even if she were to say do you think it will have any effect. Can one of us say that "one" indian association has helped us till now?? If you can convince one local indian association (different states have different associations and are easy to locate) to donate some funds or participate in our action items then I will agree that Nirupama should be contacted.
Now your comment regarding Indian senators, I dont know who these senators are. Even if we identify them, I personally feel that these guys dont have strong ties to their roots and dont really identify with EB immigrants. Not to break any of your hopes but just putting out the reality as I see from posts of IV members/leaders. Our only hope is strong lobbying and direct personal emails to the respective senators. Hopefully we will see some effect soon.

[smuggymba]

Originally Posted by dts

Right. But why IV can not approach and take help from few Indian Origin Senators. IV can also approach Indian High commission Nirupama Roa who is powerful and great relations in Washington. She gave speech yesterday about how Indian companies helping US economy and creating jobs in US. If IV approach her, she can get lot more funding and lot more power by activating her channels. See, Irish Prime Minister talked to Senators last week about E-3 visas.
Why IV is not using Indian political channels , specially when Washington people now really listen what Indian diplomats say.

IV should start approaching available diplomatic channels.

Nirupma has other things to do. She was frisked at the airport few months ago and all India did was protest at the appropriate level. She doesn't have "powerful" relation with Washington IMO.

Indian origin politicians (Bobby & Nikki) hardly talk about their Indian roots.

[gcharry]

It is better to approach Nirupama Rao to lobby for us.