HR 3012 general discussion since April 2012

[waitingnwaiting]

Originally Posted by dts

Seems like Irish lobby and their false propaganda is major hurdle than Grassley hold.

Irish lobby and their supporter senators have taken H.R.3012 as hostage to pass their own provisions since three months.

How do you know this is true? How can a 'propaganda' in your own words be true?

Irish lobby is making claim that they are very powerful .

And people like you are faling for it? Where are reading all this information BTW? Some lawyer website or anyone's personal website? Show me which mainstream media is saying what you are saying?

Then why they need our support?
In fact, they know they do not have power to stand alone and hence need to ride with help of H.R.3012.

When you know the answer to your confusion why are you so worried?

IV should start action Item to pressurize and convince Senators who are holding H.R.3012 to include Irish provision.

What makes you think IV is not doing it? I trust the maturiaty and intelligence of IV core.

IV should work out plan to convince Senators to drop controversial amendments in non controversial bill and get bill for voting or cloture as early as possible.
Except few Senators, no one is in oppose of 3012. It can easily pass cloture.

Members, what do you think?

How do you know it will 'easily' pass cloture? Have you personally visited each senator office and lobbies to get an answer for their vote?

[waitingnwaiting]

Originally Posted by gcharry

It is better to approach Nirupama Rao to lobby for us.

So you want an IFS indian governmant servant to lobby for Indians who want to leave India and settle in USA? Don't the Indian government have better things to do? Like helping Indian companies do more business in USA, Make more profit and get more dollars in India as profit?

[waitingnwaiting]

Originally Posted by gcharry

It is better to approach Nirupama Rao to lobby for us.

How about an action item where we ask our parents, brothers and sisters in India to start lobbying in India for us. They should be meeting ministers, MLA , MP in India and ask them to help their relative in USA on H1B who does not want to return to India to settle permanently.

I am not sure how work gets done in India. Maybe sending emails and signing an online petition in India by our relatives will melt the hearts of politicians in India and they will come to USA and talk to the government here.

What do you think guys?

[waitingnwaiting]

Originally Posted by dts

Right. But why IV can not approach and take help from few Indian Origin Senators.

What are those Indian origin senators? Please enlighten me?

IV can also approach Indian High commission Nirupama Roa who is powerful and great relations in Washington.

Why do you think she is powerful? Show me one work that shows she is powerful in influencing US immigration policy?
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She gave speech yesterday about how Indian companies helping US economy and creating jobs in US.
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Many US politicians have said the same thing in their speeches.

If IV approach her, she can get lot more funding and lot more power by activating her channels.

Wow you want an Indian givernment official to raise money for us? Because we all are incapable of signing up for $25 per month?

See, Irish Prime Minister talked to Senators last week about E-3 visas.
Why IV is not using Indian political channels , specially when Washington people now really listen what Indian diplomats say.

IV should start approaching available diplomatic channels.

All Indians wanting greencard need to first learn to support and work for their cause before expecting someone else to work for them for free.

[hopefullegalimmigrant]

Originally Posted by pappu

Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.

Thanks for the update Pappu. These are tough times, but we believe in immigrationvoice and all the background lobbying work that is happening. We will continue action items. There is HOPE. This is the best we can do.

[DallasBlue]

Originally Posted by DallasBlue

Senator Reid , Senator McConnell , Senator Cornyn, Senator Grassely,

END the Discrimination.
How a doctor from Bangladesh is better than a doctor from Mexico? They all save lives when in emergency.
Fix the law that discriminates on the nationality of origin. Pass HR3012.

Originally Posted by pappu

Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.

as we have lived without per country limits in recent times. Prior to Jan 1, 2005, the EB numbers were always current because AC 21, enacted in 2000, recaptured 130,000 numbers from 1998 and 1999, and the per country limits were postponed under a formula until the demand in the EB outstripped the supply. The lack of per country limits helped, but we also had the additional unused numbers. However, at that time, we also had a surge under the 245(i) program, which we do not have today. The notes in the January 1, 2005 Visa Bulletin Visa Bulletin for January 2005, when there was retrogression in the EB-3 for the first time after AC21, explains it all.

looks like when the supply of 140k outgrows demand, country caps are thrown out, will the country caps be void soon ?

[dts]

Originally Posted by waitingnwaiting

How do you know this is true? How can a 'propaganda' in your own words be true?


And people like you are faling for it? Where are reading all this information BTW? Some lawyer website or anyone's personal website? Show me which mainstream media is saying what you are saying?


When you know the answer to your confusion why are you so worried?

What makes you think IV is not doing it? I trust the maturiaty and intelligence of IV core.



How do you know it will 'easily' pass cloture? Have you personally visited each senator office and lobbies to get an answer for their vote?

Are you from Irish Lobby? If so ( and surely you are ) please convey IV members feelings to your so called powerful community.

[dts]

Originally Posted by thomachan72

Nirupama IFS raising funds for us you must be kidding, right? It is not as simple as you think. Even if she were to say do you think it will have any effect. Can one of us say that "one" indian association has helped us till now?? If you can convince one local indian association (different states have different associations and are easy to locate) to donate some funds or participate in our action items then I will agree that Nirupama should be contacted.
Now your comment regarding Indian senators, I dont know who these senators are. Even if we identify them, I personally feel that these guys dont have strong ties to their roots and dont really identify with EB immigrants. Not to break any of your hopes but just putting out the reality as I see from posts of IV members/leaders. Our only hope is strong lobbying and direct personal emails to the respective senators. Hopefully we will see some effect soon.

No. I am not kidding. I agree with you this is not easy. However, If we are approaching Senators, politicians.. I do not think IFS officer is so great that we should hesitate to approach them.
High commissions have always annual budget for lobbying various bills to protect Indian interest in US.
It is perfectly ok to request about contribution for H.R.3012 as this is helping Indians most.

At most they may ignore request but there is no other harm. Instead of being pessimistic and not try at all , why should be optimistic and give a shot.
IV can apply same positive approach to convince them which IV has done so far to bring this bill at this stage.
I would also suggest even step further to approach Chinese high commission also as this bill will help thousands of chinese also. They will surely at least listen.

[dts]

Originally Posted by smuggymba

Nirupma has other things to do. She was frisked at the airport few months ago and all India did was protest at the appropriate level. She doesn't have "powerful" relation with Washington IMO.

Indian origin politicians (Bobby & Nikki) hardly talk about their Indian roots.

Correct . Point is , can our efforts make them talk about Bill? If Bobby & Nikki are pressurized, they can highlight HR3012 like chuck scummier did for E-3 visa in Senate.

If High commissioner have lots of things to do, why can't we add our task in 'todo' list.
That is also part of lobbying .

Working hard positively , they can be brought on board. It is not impossible or gigantic task.

[vsrinir]

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[ronhira]

Originally Posted by dts

Correct . Point is , can our efforts make them talk about Bill? If Bobby & Nikki are pressurized, they can highlight HR3012 like chuck scummier did for E-3 visa in Senate.

If High commissioner have lots of things to do, why can't we add our task in 'todo' list.
That is also part of lobbying .

Working hard positively , they can be brought on board. It is not impossible or gigantic task.

sure, its so easy..... so when r u getting it done?

if u already dont know, chuck schumer runs immigration committee...... bobby & nikki don't even have a vote in us congress..... and if they did, just to show that they r not indians, these 2 would've voted with steve king for eliminating eb-3 category..... instead of voting for hr3012...... stay away from bobby & nikki.....

high commissioner is stupid & new.... she doesnt even know what to say & what not to say to the press..... her press quote a few days back was like adding fuel to the fire on this debate.....

i know we r all trying to come up with new ideas..... lets try to come with ideas that help (an not hurt) us.....

[green_mile]

and if they did, just to show that they r not indians, these 2 would've voted with steve king for eliminating eb-3 category..... instead of voting for hr3012...... stay away from bobby & nikki.....



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[thomachan72]

Originally Posted by dts

No. I am not kidding. I agree with you this is not easy. However, If we are approaching Senators, politicians.. I do not think IFS officer is so great that we should hesitate to approach them.
High commissions have always annual budget for lobbying various bills to protect Indian interest in US.
It is perfectly ok to request about contribution for H.R.3012 as this is helping Indians most.

At most they may ignore request but there is no other harm. Instead of being pessimistic and not try at all , why should be optimistic and give a shot.
IV can apply same positive approach to convince them which IV has done so far to bring this bill at this stage.
I would also suggest even step further to approach Chinese high commission also as this bill will help thousands of chinese also. They will surely at least listen.

dts, I agree with you. It will not harm us anyway to contact Anupama / Indian politicians etc but even for that we need to divert "funds", right? Since IV is running on limmited resources where will these funds come from? Somebody or a group of people have to travel, stay and meet with these folks, right? I understand your concept and it will certainly work if we were having a huge bank balance. If you review past IV activities its often the leaders paying out of pocket and then slowly being reimbursed to some extend by our $25 contributions. Pls try to understand our limitations also while planning out activities. IV is doing the best it can given its very very limited resources. Planning such ambitious programs are easy but putting them into action becomes absolutely a nightmare if you dont have the resources.

[smuggymba]

Originally Posted by dts

Correct . Point is , can our efforts make them talk about Bill? If Bobby & Nikki are pressurized, they can highlight HR3012 like chuck scummier did for E-3 visa in Senate.

If High commissioner have lots of things to do, why can't we add our task in 'todo' list.
That is also part of lobbying .

Working hard positively , they can be brought on board. It is not impossible or gigantic task.

A desi organization went to Bobby to make him a guest of honor at one of the desi diwali programs and he didn't accept. Nikki and Bobby never talk about their desi roots or support "legal immigration" openly. Hispanic politicians, on the other hand, openly advocate about giving rights to illegals. So, moral of the story is Bobby and Nikki are useless.

[dts]

Originally Posted by thomachan72

dts, I agree with you. It will not harm us anyway to contact Anupama / Indian politicians etc but even for that we need to divert "funds", right? Since IV is running on limmited resources where will these funds come from? Somebody or a group of people have to travel, stay and meet with these folks, right? I understand your concept and it will certainly work if we were having a huge bank balance. If you review past IV activities its often the leaders paying out of pocket and then slowly being reimbursed to some extend by our $25 contributions. Pls try to understand our limitations also while planning out activities. IV is doing the best it can given its very very limited resources. Planning such ambitious programs are easy but putting them into action becomes absolutely a nightmare if you dont have the resources.

Yes. Your views are practical. I was just giving new idea but if not practical, we can leave it.
Many folks revealed here that High commission or Bobby & Nikki are not cooperative and never shown enthusiasm for Indian community so we can not rely on them.

However I heard that High commmission has annual budget for lobbying for various bills..
Can IV leaders atleast make request for contribution for HR3012 ? Request can be done without much money ( either on phone call or official conf call).

IV is official organization fighting for same line/ideology for which High commission have budget .
There is no reason to be ashamed or hesitance to make request for contribution.