HR 3012 general discussion since April 2012

[mantagon]

...we shall overcome,
we shall overcome, some day (Sep 8)
oh, deep in my heart, I do beileve...
we shall overcome some day

we'll walk hand-in-hand (San Jose Rally),
we'll walk hand-in-hand some day, we'll walk hand-in-hand some day
oh, deep in my heart, I do beileve...
we shall overcome some day

[DallasBlue]

all those who dont like H.R.3012 instead of opposing and doing nothing positive, come and support H.R.3119 in San Jose

H.R.3119
Latest Title: Protecting American Families and Businesses Act of 2011
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 10/6/2011) Cosponsors (1)
Related Bills: S.1857
Latest Major Action: 10/24/2011 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement.
SUMMARY AS OF:
10/6/2011--Introduced.
Protecting American Families and Businesses Act of 2011 - Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to: (1) eliminate the per country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, and (2) increase the per country numerical limitation for family based immigrants.

Amends the Chinese Student Protection Act of 1992 to eliminate the provision requiring the reduction of annual Chinese (PRC) immigrant visas to offset status adjustments under such Act.

Allows extensions of stay based upon a lengthy labor certification or priority adjudication for: (1) foreign students, (2) speciality occupation aliens, and (3) intracompany transfers.

Eliminates the foreign residency requirement for certain foreign students.

Provides for the recapture of unused employment-based and family-based immigrant visas.

[DallasBlue]

If you work or have worked, have contacts in any of the companies below contact the govt-affairs/ HR/Manager to support , the economic growth and innovation and stop the H1B fraud and bring fairness to the system, by having those companies write to/call senators supporting HR3012

source :
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2012&cid=N00003062&type=I&newmem =N

Southern Co
Balch & Bingham
Drummond Co
Harbert Management
Bradley, Arant et al
Vulcan Materials
Lockheed Martin
Blue Cross/Blue Shield
Jim Wilson & Assoc
Scott Bridge Co
HealthSouth Corp
Helmsing, Leach et al
Reynolds Technical Assoc
Southeast Wood Treating
Boeing Co
Hand Arendall LLC
Koch Industries
Smith's Inc
Amgen Inc
American Farm Bureau
BAE Systems
McWane Inc

Originally Posted by DallasBlue

If you work or worked, have contacts in any of the companies below contact the govt-affairs/ HR/Manager to support spurring the economy and innovation and stop the H1B fraud and bring fairness to the system By supporting HR3012

Source : http://www.opensecrets.org/politicia...&type=I&newmem =N


Aetna Inc
Amazon.com
American Assn/Oral & Maxillofacial Surg
American Health Care Assn
American Hospital Assn
American Optometric Assn
American Physical Therapy Assn
American Podiatric Medical Assn
American Seniors Housing Assn
AmericanExpress
Amgen Inc
AMR Corp
AT&T Inc
AutoZone Inc
Baker Botts LLP
Baker, Donelson et al
Bass Brothers Enterprises
Bergman, Draper & Frockt
Berkshire Hathaway
Blackstone Group
Blank Rome LLP
Blue Cross/Blue Shield
Blue Cross/Blue Shield
Bluegrass Cmte
Boeing Co
Bracewell & Giuliani
Cardinal Health
Carnival Corp
CC Media Holdings
Centex Corp
Citigroup Inc
CME Group
Community Health Systems
Contran Corp
Cooper Industries
Corboy & Demetrio
Corrections Corp of America
Covington & Burling
CSX Corp
Denny Miller Assoc
Eastman Chemical
EMILY's List
Exxon Mobil
Federation of American Hospitals
FedEx Corp
FinancialServices Roundtable
GlaxoSmithKline
Google Inc
Haynes & Boone
HBK Capital Management
Hercules Holding
HJ Heinz Co
Ingram Industries
Jones Management Services
JPMorgan Chase & Co
K&L Gates
Kasowitz, Benson et al
Kirkland & Ellis
KKR & Co
L&F Distributors
League of Conservation Voters
Leon Medical Centers
Life Technologies Corp
LifePoint Hospitals
Locke Lord Bissell & Liddell LLP
Lockheed Martin
MacAndrews & Forbes
Mach Industrial Group
Madison Dearborn Partners
Major League Baseball Commissioner's Ofc
Marwood Group
Mayer Brown LLP
McBee Strategic Consulting
McKesson Corp
McKool Smith PC
McKool SmithPC
Mednax Inc
Metlife Inc
Microsoft Corp
Microsoft Corp
Motorola Solutions
Moveon.org
National Assn of Home Builders
National Assn of Realtors
New York Life Insurance
NextEra Energy
Northwestern Mutual
O'Melveny & Myers
Paul, Weiss et al
Perkins Coie
Physician Hospitals of America
Pilot Corp
Praxair Inc
Property Casualty Insurers Assn/America
Psychiatric Solutions
Puget Holding Co
Raytheon Co
Regions Financial
Renco Group
Renew America PAC
Second Avenue Partners
Sidley Austin LLP
Silver Eagle Distributors
Simmons Cooper LLC
Southeast Financial Group
State of Illinois
State of Tennessee
State of Texas
State of Washington
Strategies 360
Tacala LLC
Taco Bell
TACO PAC
Thornton & Naumes
UBS AG
United Continental Holdings
University of Chicago
University of Washington
US Oncology
USAA
UST Inc
Valero Energy
Vanderbilt University
Vanguard Health Systems
Verizon Communications
Vern Clark & Assoc
Waller, Lansden et al
Wells Real EstateFunds
Weyerhaeuser Co
William Blair & Co
Williams & Jensen
Wine & Spirits Wholesalers of America
Winston & Strawn
Zachry Construction
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[DallasBlue]

Quote:
Visa Backlog Creates Brain Drain

http://www.kauffman.org/uploadedFile...ain_101807.pdf


Just over 52% of start-up companies there had immigrant founders, with the highest proportion from India, followed by China and Taiwan.

archive.sba.gov/advo/research/rs334tot.pdf

http://www.kauffman.org/entrepreneur...epreneurs.aspx

http://www.inc.com/articles/201110/w...-be-asian.html

http://www.democracyjournal.org/21/o...e.php?page=all



Universities support HR3012:
http://www.renewoureconomy.org/sites...ity-letter.pdf

Businesses support HR3012:
http://www.technet.org/wp-content/up...UN-27-2012.pdf


Quote:
Originally Posted by DallasBlue
with an amendment,Senator Grassley fixes H1-B imprecise rules and makes HR3012 bill even better.

The less than perfect (imperfect) H1-B laws(rules) are gamed and worked out to stretch their profits by the placement firms and in the way exploit the gullible foreign workers and bring down the wages. With his amendment senator fixes the system.



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Technically, HR3012 will not increase the number of visas already granted by the Congress - it'll remain at 140k.
• HR3012 will encourage innovation by liberating the scientists, doctors, nurses , hi-tech workers to get job mobility and go on to research new products, start new businesses and services , thus improving national economy.
• will help to create new enterprises and hire more people to help grow the US national economy
• will liberate them to move on and buy houses , thus create more jobs and improve the national economy, (will also bolster the housing loans and banks here)
• will help them spend more with the greater sense of security than they will have now renewing EAD every year, they will buy those cars that they are putting off , buy those gadgets, equipment, tools etc. improves overall consumer confidence and improves national economy
• will make the best and brightest to be remain here in USA, rather than compete or start companies elsewhere other than USA, will improve nations jobs.
• will also reduce outsourcing as some of them will go on and start training locally thus improving local economy
• will create more jobs when folks buy homes , improves the construction-building industry thus improves economy

HR3012 serves national interest


H.R.3012 does not impact the "american tech worker". If the issue is about more number of tech workers coming in here to USA HR3012 doesn’t increase the visa numbers. This bill is removing the country caps. When a professional is hired one is not hired on the basis of nationality but only on the basis of the skills. The current wait times for India and china are like 50 years which is totally unreasonable. Tech workers are not impacted with or without H.R.3012 because all these people will remain here in US and are working here on AOS status (adjustment of status/Employment Authorization) and eventually be American tech worker in a matter of 5 years or 50 years.


"Some have argued that providing green cards to highly skilled foreign nationals harms the job prospects of
Americans. However, that argument ignores that skilled scientists, researchers and professionals help create
more jobs and innovations. Moreover, such individuals are hired as part of the normal recruitment process,
complementing, not replacing, Americans. Another argument made is that the green card problem is not dire,
since many foreign nationals stay in the United States years after receiving a Ph.D. But foreign nationals with
Ph.D.s are more likely to work in academia and represent only about 13 percent of H-1B visa holders annually.
The 5-year stay rate for Indians earning Ph.D.s at U.S. universities in science and engineering declined from 89
percent for those who received a doctorate in the year 2000, to 79 percent for Indian recipients of Ph.D.s in 2004.
Even if Ph.D.s from India and China were staying in the U.S. at the same rate as before it would not be relevant to
the green card problems experienced by foreign nationals at the masters and undergraduate levels."


Also, against 'immigrant exploitation', there are a lot of labor laws and worker safety laws that safeguard not only the immigrant workers but all the American tech and non tech workers.

Also apart from the above,


"employment-based system was intended to create equal opportunity for all countries" - That is what is called Diversity- I humbly disagree- That is not what it was created for.


For that we have diversity visa. which gives equal opportunity for jobs from all countries, irrespective of their education or skill - oversubscribed countries are barred... those exceeding 7% for that year....so While Indians are barred from applying under Diversity- SriLankans and Nepalese are not.

For "diversity" Skill-based-immigrants are already being excluded from the "Diversity Visa". Why this double whammy? And, are there any country quotas in the diversity visa? Quite illogical

We are fighting a notion that "countries" are getting the benefit by sending its citizens here. In inida and china ther competition is fierce and only the best gets the chance to come US. How about the notion of a fair and just immigration system that doesn't discriminate based on national origin.
"Countries" are abstract. Individuals have life, feelings, etc. How to make ploicy/law maker and everyone understand?


• Every skilled immigrant saves money. The longer you are here the more money you save. By giving a person who stayed here longest a chance to file green card he can use his savings as investment in US. US needs investments in this economic times, win-win.

• If a person after working 15 years (60 credits) goes back then US would pay Social Security to that person after he retires. US Social Security goes outside as long as that person lives.

• Since 2001 US is granting 65000+ non immmigrant visas for skilled and high skilled applicants which indicates that there is a potential demand sine 2001.

• When employement visa is applied there is no country specific quota and it is first come first served basis along with other conditions. (Qualification, job demand etc.). Hence it is not based on DIVERSITY and dosent count spouses and childern.

• Only people who come in scarced Employment category can apply for GC. Hence it should not be based on DIVERSITY.

• Every year 140000 GC’s are allowed. So even if all the 65000+ apply there should not be any backlog.

• By putting a country limit in GC, an artificial queue is created. This creates as a pool of qualified, bonded, desperate labor force working for the betterment of US.

• HR3012 bill will remove the block/backlog and will make the system function correctly.


refrences:

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www.kauffman.org/uploadedFiles/reverse_brain_drain_101807.pdf
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/07/22/high-skilled-immigration-restrictions-are-economically-senseless/

http://archive.sba.gov/advo/research/rs334tot.pdf


http://www.renewoureconomy.org/sites/all/themes/pnae/university-letter.pdf

http://www.technet.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Tech-Industry-Letter-in-Support-of-Repealing-the-Per-Country-Limit-JUN-27-2012.pdf

http://www.kauffman.org/entrepreneurship/foreign-born-entrepreneurs.aspx
http://www.inc.com/articles/201110/why-the-next-steve-jobs-will-be-asian.html

http://www.democracyjournal.org/21/our-best-imports-keeping-immigrant-innovators-here.php?page=all

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm



Chuck Grassley: Campaign Finance/Money - Top Donors - Senator 2010 | OpenSecrets

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00001758&type=I&newmem =N

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

http://www.kauffman.org/newsroom/new-report-says-green-card-backlog-could-grow-worse-for-high-skilled-immigrants.aspx?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=O pticast&utm_campaign=Ideas_At_Work_6_21_2012

http://www.nfap.com/pdf/NFAPPolicyBrief.StillWaiting.June2012.pdf

http://competeamerica.org/sites/default/files/files/EB%20Green%20Cards%20at%20a%20Glance-2011%20FINAL.pdf

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write to senate / senate commitee / majority leaders in senate to pass the bill.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm
Contribute :
http://immigrationvoice.org/index.ph...d=26&Itemid=44
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[looivy]

When does the senate lame duck start?

[go_guy123]

Originally Posted by looivy

When does the senate lame duck start?

Sometime after the election. That is why it is called "lame duck". After the election politicians who have lost seats till get to vote till the end of the term. Thats why they can vote yes for unpopular issues.

[bibliophile2020]

Looks like it's going to be 4 more years of nothing.

[spicy_guy]

Originally Posted by bibliophile2020

Looks like it's going to be 4 more years of nothing.

Hope things will move forward.

[looivy]

Originally Posted by go_guy123

Sometime after the election. That is why it is called "lame duck". After the election politicians who have lost seats till get to vote till the end of the term. Thats why they can vote yes for unpopular issues.

Yeeah...but what is the date?

[dhirajs98]

I believe lame duck session starts on November 13th.

[maximus777]

Its not truly "lame" this time. The pres-house-senate setup is exactly same as before the elections. They can effectively start running the country from 11/13 if they wish to, but fear that the political paralysis would continue.

[gc_check]

Originally Posted by dhirajs98

I believe lame duck session starts on November 13th.

With so little change or no change in house / senate and also current president getting re-elected, not sure the term "Lame Duck Session" applies entirely as only a handful of House Rep and Senators change with new congress and balance of power remaining the same and the same guys meeting again in Jan/Feb next year for a new congress, It appears business as usual. Not sure if the "Fiscal Cliff" discussion and fighting will consume all time or if other bills will get its chance. With Scott Brown from MA loosing his re-elections, not sure if he will fight for Irish Visa proposals with future career goal in mind and if he will cause more issue or will support is another question. In the end, With all the election coverage taking attention, thing will be back to normal by the time the congress returns to complete this session and only time can tell what is going on.
Also not sure why USCIS did not publish the "Pending Inventory" for 485 in Oct as they did last 2 years though it is not going to shed any new data other than a little more insight into how the porting trend is.

[forever_waiting]

Very good points. I agree.
Status quo was the best outcome we could have hoped for wrt immigration and per-country removal and thats what happened. so its positive. lets see how things move now.

Originally Posted by gc_check

With so little change or no change in house / senate and also current president getting re-elected, not sure the term "Lame Duck Session" applies entirely as only a handful of House Rep and Senators change with new congress and balance of power remaining the same and the same guys meeting again in Jan/Feb next year for a new congress, It appears business as usual. Not sure if the "Fiscal Cliff" discussion and fighting will consume all time or if other bills will get its chance. With Scott Brown from MA loosing his re-elections, not sure if he will fight for Irish Visa proposals with future career goal in mind and if he will cause more issue or will support is another question. In the end, With all the election coverage taking attention, thing will be back to normal by the time the congress returns to complete this session and only time can tell what is going on.
Also not sure why USCIS did not publish the "Pending Inventory" for 485 in Oct as they did last 2 years though it is not going to shed any new data other than a little more insight into how the porting trend is.

[psaxena]

Originally Posted by forever_waiting

Very good points. I agree.
Status quo was the best outcome we could have hoped for wrt immigration and per-country removal and thats what happened. so its positive. lets see how things move now.

testing

[bibliophile2020]

I hope our fortunes won't be tied to CIR. I sincerely hope the President does something like DACA for EB based immigrants.