Immigration Reform 2013 discussions: H1B and F1, not for EB folks

[pappu]

Originally Posted by ashutrip

Does anybody know if CIR makes any reference to Recapturing of unsed visas in EB Category or any other other relief for people caught in retrogression?

Which CIR are you referring to?

There was one a couple of years ago. Or you are talking about one that may or may not happen in future? There is no draft for that. If you want recapture included or any other fix you need to talk to lawmakers taking a lead on it. These fixes will not be added by default. There are also people on the hill talking about a points based system for sometime and scrapping the existing system. This points based system will be based on occupation, market needs ( this means reducing annual quota we have now if the unemployment is high in USA), US advanced degrees, close relatives in the country , salary, etc kind of criteria.

[pappu]

Originally Posted by ashutrip

Does anybody know if CIR makes any reference to Recapturing of unsed visas in EB Category or any other other relief for people caught in retrogression?

What do you mean by recapture? Which numbers you want to recapture?

See
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/f...0Recapture.pdf


Nothing is easy as it seems.

[ashutrip]

Originally Posted by pappu

Which CIR are you referring to?

There was one a couple of years ago. Or you are talking about one that may or may not happen in future? There is no draft for that. If you want recapture included or any other fix you need to talk to lawmakers taking a lead on it. These fixes will not be added by default. There are also people on the hill talking about a points based system for sometime and scrapping the existing system. This points based system will be based on occupation, market needs ( this means reducing annual quota we have now if the unemployment is high in USA), US advanced degrees, close relatives in the country , salary, etc kind of criteria.

I was talking about the one they are talking to be introduced in 2013.
BTW, thanks for anwering my Question

To quote you "There is no draft for that."

Also, let me know please how can I be of help " If you want recapture included or any other fix you need to talk to lawmakers taking a lead on it."?

[ashutrip]

Originally Posted by pappu

What do you mean by recapture? Which numbers you want to recapture?

See
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/f...0Recapture.pdf


Nothing is easy as it seems.

Lol

to quote you "Nothing is easy as it seems"

I learnt it in 1st grade when my dad had put a condition if you want a tricycle; secure top 3 rank in your class.

thanks for reminding again!

[pappu]

Originally Posted by ashutrip

I was talking about the one they are talking to be introduced in 2013.
BTW, thanks for anwering my Question

To quote you "There is no draft for that."

Also, let me know please how can I be of help " If you want recapture included or any other fix you need to talk to lawmakers taking a lead on it."?

Please keep visiting the site. We post action items. If you want to closely work at an organization level, directly reach out to IV with your contact details.

[Ajoshi]

HR3012 message board is awefully silent. If we don't have any updates, can we get some action plan for the next year - in terms of what does the core team expect from the regular folks like us. Looking forward, where do we go from here.

I think people do show interest when called for action even if it is low in number. There is not much we can do to change the mindset of people who are not inclined to contribute time/money/effort wise.

I had sent my contact info to Ritu after the summit for volunteering work. It probably is on the file somewhere, but I haven't got any request for any further action.

It is a wait and watch for me atleast...

[gk_2000]

Originally Posted by pappu

What do you mean by recapture? Which numbers you want to recapture?

See
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/f...0Recapture.pdf


Nothing is easy as it seems.

Astonished that you quoted from the numbers website. But they do a lot more homework than we (at least in the forums).

But again, is it really true?

[pappu]

Originally Posted by gk_2000

Astonished that you quoted from the numbers website. But they do a lot more homework than we (at least in the forums).

But again, is it really true?

It helps to know the opposing views if one wants to advocate for something.

The other reason is that time and again I keep hearing recapture is 'simple' or XYZ fix is simple...... Kind of sentences from armchair critics and so called idea givers on forums. We should tell them to get the XYZ fix done or a bill passed if it is so easy or a low hanging fruit.

[pappu]

Originally Posted by Ajoshi

HR3012 message board is awefully silent. If we don't have any updates, can we get some action plan for the next year - in terms of what does the core team expect from the regular folks like us. Looking forward, where do we go from here.

I think people do show interest when called for action even if it is low in number. There is not much we can do to change the mindset of people who are not inclined to contribute time/money/effort wise.

I had sent my contact info to Ritu after the summit for volunteering work. It probably is on the file somewhere, but I haven't got any request for any further action.

It is a wait and watch for me atleast...

Please wait and watch for the next few days as we do not have a public action item right now. For volunteer work we are planning to have it more organized in the next year.

[ashutrip]

Originally Posted by pappu

Please wait and watch for the next few days as we do not have a public action item right now. For volunteer work we are planning to have it more organized in the next year.

Pappu,

Won't this bill be dead if not approved by December 31st 2012?

[nrmarrivada9]

Originally Posted by quasar81

Firstly this post is about non-EB folks. So what the f is wrong that you EB3 is even bothering. ATTITUDE IS FREE, BUT WHO WOULD WANT IT!!! SHOVE IT UP.... U WOULD NEED IT TO DEAL WITH URSELF.

Can u provide update for whatever EB3 bill u are proposing? South Indian craps...not a single freedom fighter. Followers of 3rd class actor rajnikant. Cowards of first degree. YOU ARE A FIRST DEGREE FOOL. I WONDER HOW CAN U ONE SO SCREWED.

Nothing can be done of these south Indians. WE (human beings, regardless of NEWS)PITY YOU.

Bye bye to this forum...I followed for few weeks and figured how much I wasted my time. APPRECIATE THE FAVOR BESTOWED UPON THE COMMUNITY. WHY NOT DO THE SAME FAVOR TO U.S & INDIA TOO. BY ALL MEANS, I DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH ANY COUNTRY FOR THAT MATTER.

Good luck and make sure you update the world when your EB3 bills get passed...hehe.

Just shut up and do urself a favor.

[chtummala]

Originally Posted by quasar81

This post is not intended for folks who have their EB filed already. This is for F1 and H1B holders without EB process.

F1 and H1B guys: below is what you should do on your part to get the best of the upcoming immigration reform. OR you can look to find and beg employers and wait in line for years and years and years….ACT NOW or wait for years of trashing around and harassment. Spread the word to your F1 and H1B friends also....

It is clear that Immigration reform will pass in early 2013, and it is also clear that illegals will get path to GC with FULL legal work authorizations(Obama wont sign anything below). Along with that EB backlogs will be addressed also. What would be hard is for people who are legal in US and are not in EB line yet i.e. F1 and H1B holders without EB in process.

Why should a guy who illegally crossed the border 2 or 3 or 4 years back and started working illegally in US be able to pay few fines and file for GC, while a guy(F1 and H1) who legally crossed border 2 or 3 or 4 years back have to go through extra steps of finding employers, going through PERM, extra fees, job advertisements, etc etc to file for GC. Why can’t he just go stand in line, pay a fee and file for GC. It is clear that being illegal is an advantage at this point.


What people like me on H1B and F1 who don’t have EB in process yet would like to do is to go stand in line with illegals and apply for Adjustment of Status(AOS) filing for GC. This has multiple advantages:
1) Immediate EAD to work for any employer legally
2) no employer to find or beg to start the garbage PERM process,
3) no employer dependence and need to stick with single employer at low wages
4) no fear of layoffs to end the process and START the whole thing anew. This is usually biggest nightmare in this economy


I request all those who don’t have EB process started yet to send emails to their senators and congressmen that they should be treated equally and better than the guy who came here illegally. Below is sample. ACT NOW....

“Dear Senator Graham,

I am bringing up a very important topic that many people ignore. This is regarding the illegal vs legal immigrants "already inside" United States, and how text of immigration reforms punish legal law abiding immigrants “inside” US by preventing them to apply for Adjustment of Status(AOS) becoming a green card permanent resident(PR), while the same text allows the illegal immigrant inside US to apply for AOS and get PR.

This topic becomes important in the drafting details of text of the Immigration reform legislation being proposed.

It is unquestionable that the illegals "inside" this country will be offered a path to legalization i.e. permanent residence (PR) through Adjustment of Status (AOS). My question is this: Why should a guy who came to this country LEGALLY cannot pay some fine and background check to get PR through AOS just like a guy who came to this country ILLEGALLY and broke the law. Seems like the text of legislations have been intentionally or unintentionally punishing the people who are "inside" the US legally by stating that only the illegals can apply for AOS to become a PR. It is a shame that a guy who crossed border illegally 5 years back and started working in US ILLEGALLY will give few fines and background checks and become a PR, while a guy who came LEGALLY to this country 5 years back will have to go through bunch of extra steps, including finding a employer sponsor, extra fees, background checks to get a PR. The text of immigration legislations punish the legally present people by not allowing them to apply for AOS by paying a fee and background check while the allow illegals to apply for AOS by paying a fine and background check.

My humble request is that the text of immigration legislation you are drafting should not keep out and punish somebody who came to country legally while reward the one who came illegally. At least the legal “already inside” US should get the same reward as you are giving the illegal “already inside” US.

Thank you,

With regards,
XYZ”

stop dreaming dude ..

[gk_2000]

Originally Posted by nrmarrivada9

Just shut up and do urself a favor.

Well said!