Is being born in China and India a sin.

[oliTwist]

There is no need to cast all kinds of aspirations on the poor guy who is just venting his frustration. Different ppl have different circumstances and just being negitive with the arrogant self righteousness is a little too much, particularly when a lot of ppl are frustrated standing this never ending GC journey.

[return_to_india]

US might be moving to depression. By that time India,China might be still having some growth left. want to join the 40 M without health insurance etc, stay on here.

[bfadlia]

Originally Posted by vincepr

Is being born in China and India a sin. This discrimination on the basis of country of origin is similar to racial discrimination and very not in line with american principles.

Because of immigration backlog many of our Chinese and Indian friends have rely to on H1-B extension after 6 years. There is no H1 portability during this time. Isn't this modern day bonded labour again something not expected from america.

Its time to fight for the end of this discrimination so that hard working people of India and China are treated fairly in the immigration process. Lets make lawmakers and US citizens aware of the current discriminatory laws and the hardship caused by them.

The guy is obviously talking from the gc stand point only, so there was no need for the harsh patriotic replies that followed..
From a gc stand point only too, I feel it's a mixed blessing. Forgive a generalization here, not all Indians and Chinese here r in IT or started the gc through H or L visas, but fact is, a good portion of them are. There is a blessing if you are Indian in IT looking for H or L chance to come here, these chances in other chargeability countries are very scarce and harder to come by.. then the advantages are reversed after the people arrive here.
It will be better for everyone's peace of mind if people don't dwell on shortcomings without remembering their advantages too.
cheers..

[AK_GC]

Originally Posted by vincepr

Is being born in China and India a sin. This discrimination on the basis of country of origin is similar to racial discrimination and very not in line with american principles.

Because of immigration backlog many of our Chinese and Indian friends have rely to on H1-B extension after 6 years. There is no H1 portability during this time. Isn't this modern day bonded labour again something not expected from america.

Its time to fight for the end of this discrimination so that hard working people of India and China are treated fairly in the immigration process. Lets make lawmakers and US citizens aware of the current discriminatory laws and the hardship caused by them.

I do have some empathy for you. Filing for a GC thro' Indian or Chinese nationailty is a long and a rough road and is very frustrating. It does seem like slave labor. May be you can vent your steam by actively participating here http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...ad.php?t=23587 (EB Country Cap - Addressing the issue)

[misanthrope]

Wtf?!?!

[addsf345]

As Chandu says, every commnity should stand united against injustice.

[dummgelauft]

Originally Posted by sidbee

Whats is this??? I am still wondering..

This is not discrimination ,its a simple quota..

If you are from India, Did you ever said that it was a sin to be born in the general category, because there are reservations for SC/ST...nooo

So why this..

YES, Being born in Inida is indeed a punishment of sins of the past life. It is the armpit of the world and will continue to be so.
And YES, i felt being born into "General Category" is a sin too becasue not only YOU were denied a place in a Institution of your choice, for which you had the caliber, but also you will be treated by a doctor from "reserved category", who had barely passing score on his 12th and PMET exam. You are screwed both ways. Don't tell me that a guy who works his butt of and makes it to medical school and another who gets in due to the caste he was born into, will make physicans or engineers of the same caliber and knowledge.

[edaltsis]

Originally Posted by vincepr

Is being born in China and India a sin. This discrimination on the basis of country of origin is similar to racial discrimination and very not in line with american principles.

Because of immigration backlog many of our Chinese and Indian friends have rely to on H1-B extension after 6 years. There is no H1 portability during this time. Isn't this modern day bonded labour again something not expected from america.

Its time to fight for the end of this discrimination so that hard working people of India and China are treated fairly in the immigration process. Lets make lawmakers and US citizens aware of the current discriminatory laws and the hardship caused by them.

Is Green Card the only thing in your life? Why do you think its a sin if you dont get a Green Card...Your thinking should change.

[old_hat]

Originally Posted by vincepr

Is being born in China and India a sin. This discrimination on the basis of country of origin is similar to racial discrimination and very not in line with american principles.

Because of immigration backlog many of our Chinese and Indian friends have rely to on H1-B extension after 6 years. There is no H1 portability during this time. Isn't this modern day bonded labour again something not expected from america.

Its time to fight for the end of this discrimination so that hard working people of India and China are treated fairly in the immigration process. Lets make lawmakers and US citizens aware of the current discriminatory laws and the hardship caused by them.

Had I not been born in India I perhaps would not be here in the first place. Most of us are here because of the education system in India (however rotten!). I am not sure I would be here if I was born in Nepal, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq or Sri Lanka. A disproportionately large receipeint of H1B visas were Indians and some of the credit goes to Indian education system or Indian middle class mentality and system where parents push their kids to perform to their potential.

[morchu]

I agree that Indian education system is top-notch. But please do not make any comments specifically mentioning other countries. You may not know, there might be good schools too. Also we do not want to divide ourselves.

Originally Posted by old_hat

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[digmetalq]

Originally Posted by RDB

Dude, how is it bonded labor?????? Nobody has forced you to stay in this country - you are free to take a flight back to your home country today

You are in this wait for your own cause, so don't try to shift the blame to the system!

It is easy to say to go back to your own country. Tell your teenage kids who have had education in this great country and try to explain the pains of you going through the bulletins every month waiting patiently, that when will your turn come. Yes this country is free, and only illegals can survive here,because I don't have the guts to see ICE coming to my house in the middle of the morning, I was never raised by my parents like that, we obey the law, you may laugh at me but I shiver even at a small traffic stop because I fear for my families well being, this is the free country we are talking about.

[2008FebEb2]

If you are born in India, then getting GC will be extremely tough.

To me, its not GC. Its about the freedom to work for any employer without going through the hassles of H1B.

We all know how difficult it is to get a job on H1B.

Also, my wife cannot work without EAD or GC. Have to listen to their frustration everyday. Being born in India and living in US is a very tough road.

We can blame ourselves. Our more than 1 billion population(and growing), too many engineering colleges producing lakhs of students every year, rampant poverty, horrendous infrastructure all make everything unattractive for many of us.

[GCDo]

Originally Posted by stuckinmuck

Friends, I have been extremely uncomfortable with this forum in general. The tone of most of our members is extremely arrogant and unfriendly. Even if someone posts such threads, why can't we empathize with them and keep a civil tone? Does it take too much effort to do that? We are not helping India and its image by such a tone. It's extremely sad to see the replies to this post. We have been living in America so long but haven't learned anything from their amicable and friendly demeanor. Please take this feedback in the right spirit. "Slumdog Millionaire" has done quite a bit for our image already, don't you think (Note: sarcasm alert).

To the OP, what I have learned from the GC experience so far is that we need to try our best to be eligible for the EB1 category. After all, it is the first preference for America because that's the real cream of the world that they want. And I believe it cannot be misused by 'desi' bodyshoppers since you need to show 'real' credentials. So try for that and I think you'll get your GC soon enough. I have contributed to this website but am also looking at all possible options to use my potential to get out of the EB3 category. Hope this helps.

I also believe the 'sin' is that our population increase has been out of control and that creates a huge logjam wherever we go.

Please do not call EB1 guys real cream. I have met lot of guys who got GC through EB1.
They have same or or worse skills than EB3.

And i am not talking about noble laureates, academy award winners or outstanding researchers. These are our very own Glorified Body shoppers " multinational executives/managers".
To apply for EB1 you only need 3-4 years of experience outside US in a "managerial capacity" and 1 year in US

[sanjay]

Originally Posted by vincepr

Is being born in China and India a sin.

No. Not even in my dreams. Always proud to be an INDIAN.

Just b'cause getting GC is getting late in USA doesn't demean me being an Indian.

[old_hat]

Originally Posted by morchu

I agree that Indian education system is top-notch. But please do not make any comments specifically mentioning other countries. You may not know, there might be good schools too. Also we do not want to divide ourselves.

I think I did not make myself clear there. Firstly there are good schools in each country and I personally work with people from Pak, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc etc on my current job. And all of them are fine engineers. My point was the scale of our system that allowed guys with whatever background to pursue and make a career. Secondly there are other issues. People from Pakistan have visa problems. People from Bangladesh/nepal have problems with their passports. My Sri Lankan colleague is a Tamil whose family was based in the war zone. I do not think I would have done well in that situation. Again it is just another point of view and not necessarily to be agreed upon by anyone else. My motive was not to demean any country, but I agree it was not entirely clear from my earlier posting.