Why there is restricions on some of the post

[snathan]

Originally Posted by dilbert_cal

Appreciate your detailed response.

For (1) -> So the donor forum has nothing to do with trying to stop information from being misused by other groups. So, we shouldnt state that as a reason. Previously, only CORE team would know what IV is planning on. Then State leaders got included into it. And it is completely acceptable to me that folks who are volunteering their time more than others and taking the lead for CORE activities have more knowledge of IV's future plans than others. I dont think anybody will have issues with that.

For (2) -> The reason is understandable and I hope due diligence was done about what impact this segregation is going to have on all the members.

For (3) -> I dont see how you are solving this issue. What stops a person from coming here, asking a basic question, getting it answered and then never coming back here or contributing back to this cause ? What I understand is that DONOR forum will have breaking news being shared with DONORs first and with others later on. How does that forum stop or do anything about (3) ?

For (4) -> Unfortunately, you will never see the word DONOR infront of my name. And before someone jumps on me, let me clarify that it doesnt mean that I havent contributed. I've done, am doing and will continue to contribute - just that my personal preference is to keep a low profile.

I believe there is a lot of misinformation about the DONOR forums. And your answers are still mixing other issues with DONOR forum. This is my understanding of the DONOR forum :-

1) Those who contribute monthly a sum of 25 or above will get the status of DONOR and will have access to breaking news before the general folks will get to know about it.

2) Donor Forum has got nothing to do with any other issues - whether it is other groups knowing what we do OR so called free-loaders OR .....

If they are paying for this cause...they become DONOR and whats issue then

[snathan]

Rather than beating around the bush...let me put it clearly. IV needs money and time from volunteers. No one is forcing to donate. Still you have access to this site.

Its up to you donate or not.

Period.

[p_aluri]

I am a donor too. Probably 90% of the IV members are not done whatever I've done.

I have contributed 400 dollars.
I was one of the member organized meeting in Milpitas CA for Aman Kapoor.
Attended San Jose Ralley.
I've called EAST COAST members for DC Ralley.

Still I am not considered as a "donor"? I am also restricted to certain threads.

I am disappointed the way we are going now.

Originally Posted by gc28262

I am not admin or from IV core.

Yes there are restrictions on some threads. You need to be a Donor to view those Donor forum threads.

How to contribute:
Use the following link to contribute.

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/misc.php?do=donate

Subscribe for a monthly $25 subscription to view those threads.

[p_aluri]

so you are restricting the previously dontated people until the members donates again?

I am not sure if that is a great decsion going forward..

Originally Posted by snathan

Rather than beating around the bush...let me put it clearly. IV needs money and time from volunteers. No one is forcing to donate. Still you have access to this site.

Its up to you donate or not.

Period.

[snathan]

Originally Posted by p_aluri

so you are restricting the previously dontated people until the members donates again?

I am not sure if that is a great decsion going forward..

I am not restricting anyone here...I am also a member like you.

[dreamworld]

Originally Posted by snathan

Isnt like asking for free lunch...? Then what is the purpose of having this.

Free lunch? I am more aware of what is free!!!

I respect you for being a IV-Donor.

if you are a IV-Donor then you need to be a good at PR to bring more people as Donor. do not distance yourself from rest-of-iv-members.

[snathan]

Originally Posted by dreamworld

Free lunch? I am more aware of what is free!!!

I respect you for being a IV-Donor.

if you are a IV-Donor then you need to be a good at PR to bring more people as Donor. do not distance yourself from rest-of-iv-members.

You got to understand one thing...I am not a PR for IV. I am also a memeber like you, willing to contribute to fix this cause. No one convienced me to contribute.

Why do you expects others to convience you to fix your own issues ?

[p_aluri]

I am wondering who is assigning the member as donor. I would like to contact him/her.

I am sorry..I din't mean to say that but I am dissapointed the way things are going at IV.

Originally Posted by snathan

I am not restricting anyone here...I am also a member like you.

[Administrator2]

Hi p_aluri,

We all appreciate your effort and participation. Please understand that 'Donor' is not a status symbol or a title, it just means that we have started a new system of contribution from our members and this system is more integrated with the website and the forum. The website and the contribution system were not integrated in the past and so we had to start from somewhere, and we did. We have all contributed in the past and please do not feel offended because of this 'Donor' thing. The new system in place is automatic for large part and 'Donor' appears for the contributors in the new system.

It is not possible to run the organization that have high goals but lack of energy and understanding from its members. We know that we are not perfect, and perfection is not the objective here. We are trying to create a system where the effort is self sustaining and the organization can continue to work on the bigger goals.

Please do not read too much into donor thing. And your past contributions were for your own good and to uplift the community. We have made progress and have come a long way. And we could not have done that without the contribution from active selfless foot soldiers like yourself. But now that we have come here, the question is, do we stop here or should we continue to adept to the changing situation to work on the bigger goals we have set for ourselves. If I have one vote, I'd say - go with the later option so that we can continue to work towards our goals and not lose the sight of the importance of our objectives. And in order to continue with the effort, we need continued flow of energy. We believe that contribution to IV is one of the most important measure of energy that we are able to gather here, and then use it to fulfill the objective of the organization. Believe me, if we could trade places, you'd see how difficult it is to continue to run an organization with 33000 CEOs, where someone is always ready to take an offense because one or the other reason.

Please understand that we are here for a purpose and not to find reasons to feel offended, because if the objective is to find reasons to feel offended, there are enough reasons out there and we can find those reasons in the universe, and we'd all just be a bunch of very unhappy folks, and no body wants that. Please help us explain and convince others that its not about 'donor' word showing up for 1, 2 or 5 members. We are all in this together. And everyday trivialities doesn't mean anything because they will take us all down, together. We all have to look beyond these everyday trivialities which do not mean anything when we compare them to what we are all dealing with.

Thanks for your understanding.

Originally Posted by p_aluri

I am a donor too. Probably 90% of the IV members are not done whatever I've done.

I have contributed 400 dollars.
I was one of the member organized meeting in Milpitas CA for Aman Kapoor.
Attended San Jose Ralley.
I've called EAST COAST members for DC Ralley.

Still I am not considered as a "donor"? I am also restricted to certain threads.

I am disappointed the way we are going now.

[p_aluri]

I am not buying free lunch... compare your self and decide who is buying a free lunch?
I have invited so many members. Infact I have so many friends here

Originally Posted by dreamworld

Free lunch? I am more aware of what is free!!!

I respect you for being a IV-Donor.

if you are a IV-Donor then you need to be a good at PR to bring more people as Donor. do not distance yourself from rest-of-iv-members.

[p_aluri]

Hi Administrator2,

Thank you very much for your detailed explanation. I agree with you in each point. But some of the posts from recent members are so disturbing. They are not understanding the gross roots of IV. Probably those members doesn't even know who started this organization.

I do not want to go to much details into it, it may create some more issues instead of fighting for our root cause.

Anyway I would really appreciate If you could allow me to go through the restricted threads.

Originally Posted by Administrator2

Hi p_aluri,

We all appreciate your effort and participation. Please understand that 'Donor' is not a status symbol or a title, it just means that we have started a new system of contribution from our members and this system is more integrated with the website and the forum. The website and the contribution system were not integrated in the past and so we had to start from somewhere, and we did. We have all contributed in the past and please do not feel offended because of this 'Donor' thing. The new system in place is automatic for large part and 'Donor' appears for the contributors in the new system.

It is not possible to run the organization that have high goals but lack of energy and understanding from its members. We know that we are not perfect, and perfection is not the objective here. We are trying to create a system where the effort is self sustaining and the organization can continue to work on the bigger goals.

Please do not read too much into donor thing. And your past contributions were for your own good and to uplift the community. We have made progress and have come a long way. And we could not have done that without the contribution from active selfless foot soldiers like yourself. But now that we have come here, the question is, do we stop here or should we continue to adept to the changing situation to work on the bigger goals we have set for ourselves. If I have one vote, I'd say - go with the later option so that we can continue to work towards our goals and not lose the sight of the importance of our objectives. And in order to continue with the effort, we need continued flow of energy. We believe that contribution to IV is one measure of energy that we are able to gather here, and then use it to fulfill the objective of the organization. Believe me, if we could trade places, you'd see how difficult it is to continue to run an organization with 33000 CEOs, where someone is always ready to take an offense because one or the other reason.

Please understand that we are here for a purpose and not to find reasons to feel offended because if the objective is to find reasons to feel offended, there are enough reasons out there and we can all just be a bunch of very unhappy folks, and no body wants that. Please help us to explain and convince others that its not about the status of 1, 2 or 5 people. We are all in this together. And everyday trivialities doesn't mean anything because they will take us all down, together. We all have look beyond these everyday trivialities which do not mean anything when we compare it to what we are all dealing with.

Thanks for your understanding.

[dreamworld]

Originally Posted by p_aluri

I am not buying free lunch... compare your self and decide who is buying a free lunch?
I have invited so many members. Infact I have so many friends here

you want to compare myself. could you be more specific (better you not give specific details on comparing me on this forum and you might create more negative pulse around here)?

I did contribute to IV to my extend as you did for your extend.

I feel you and me and other makes IV as ONE community. if you start comparing then we can not stand together.

[needhelp!]

If retrogression ends then all will benefit, so I am not sure how IV can limit the benefits to donors only?

Originally Posted by dreamworld

there are different kind of Not-For-Profit organization

1. Members of Organization Working for other to benefit.
2. Members of Organization Working for Members to benefit.
3. Members of Organization Working for everyone in the community to benefit.

also, there are different way these Not-For-Profit organization get funds.

1. All Members of Organization need to pay.
2. Run a funding drive to generate the funding.
3. Get the regular funding from the donors who can contribute.

given these situation, i can see where IV is going and good luck in this effort.

For all Donors, keep the IV community informed on the progress that IV make and focus on IV community benefit. do not narrow down the final result to donor only.

IV needs a big PR effort on this donor only section, so you might need a separate wiki for donor FAQ.

[BumbleBee]

I support IV's need to have a special forum or role based thread to maintain a certain level of secrecy given how anti forces are always on lookout for sabotaging IV's effort.

At the same time, the effort would certainly turn off some legitimate IVians(donor or not, are very important to this movement). If the idea is to keep donors more informed than others then I would like to suggest keeping these threads invisible to general public. Out of sight, out of mind.

for what it's worth...

Keep up the good work.

[rahulpaper]

I have contributed ($500+) to IV in last 2 years (various drives). Also, I have thought of becoming a regular contributor many time but am hesitant to do so without proper transperancy of how funds are utilized..(this does not in anyway mean that i doubt anyone's intent here)..

Is there a way for us(members) to periodically find out where /how contributions are being used along with balance available etc (General category of "Lobbying" is too broad for me).
Do we have detailed tax returns etc?