House GOP Hints At Immigration Reform For Skilled Workers

[gk_2000]

Originally Posted by looivy

IV should delete this moron hireamerican's posts and deactivate his account and block IP. This guys is just saying non-sensical things.

Patience, bro.. Lets not behave like those groups of anti's, at least not without proper dialog.

Yes, the anti's web-site is very quick to discard dissenting voices in order to spread more and more ignorant and false doctrines.

[hireamerican]

Indians pay only 4K for a degree, whereas an American degree costs over 100K. So for most American highschool graduates, it is prohibitively expensive to go to college.

And for those that do go to college and get an American college degree, they only know about getting a job at employer college campus interviews. They do not know the concept of padding resumes with fake experience.The IT field has become such that only Indians have access to cheap training with illegal copies of software. The Americans are largely kept out of this network and ultimately the jobs.

Hope that explains it.

[airbusfan]

hmm...., Hireamerican, I was kind of starting to respect your opinions. but, this was the stupidest comment anyone has made, have you ever stepped out of West side of Baltimore???

I agree with you about the fake resumes/fake payrolls etc., but closing down an entire program because of abuse by some is like chopping off your arm because your finger is sore.

Now go drink some koolaid

Originally Posted by hireamerican

If one makes the conscious decision to move to another country, they are responsible for their action and the consequences.

Same goes with Americans. If you go to another country, do not assume anything. Make sure you do the right thing and you will be fine.

[airbusfan]

Originally Posted by hireamerican

Indians pay only 4K for a degree, whereas an American degree costs over 100K. So for most American highschool graduates, it is prohibitively expensive to go to college.

And for those that do go to college and get an American college degree, they only know about getting a job at employer college campus interviews. They do not know the concept of padding resumes with fake experience.The IT field has become such that only Indians have access to cheap training with illegal copies of software. The Americans are largely kept out of this network and ultimately the jobs.

Hope that explains it.

Ofcourse, the college is expensive, but if government steps in to control the cost of education, you will be the first one to scream "Oh this is socialism" and "too much govt interference" etc.

Do you know why is getting a college degree so expensive?? And please don't tell me its because the education is better! I've gotten a completely free graduate education in engineering from a top university in USA, wonder who paid for it ??

[gk_2000]

Originally Posted by hireamerican

Indians pay only 4K for a degree, whereas an American degree costs over 100K. So for most American highschool graduates, it is prohibitively expensive to go to college.

And for those that do go to college and get an American college degree, they only know about getting a job at employer college campus interviews. They do not know the concept of padding resumes with fake experience.The IT field has become such that only Indians have access to cheap training with illegal copies of software. The Americans are largely kept out of this network and ultimately the jobs.

Hope that explains it.

Not sure what you are trying to explain, and to whom. We here here to talk about greencard issues, and here comes this tangential thread. Usually threads like these end up deleted.

That said, I kind of understand what you say about fake experience. We have survived some of that + a lot other negative factors. We have made it on our own and survived several years with no godfathers, and believe in USA to provide a fair environment for all to prosper.

Do you or dont believe in your country's ability? Irrespectively, we do.

[hireamerican]

The argument to level the playfield for everyone is lost on you. I guess we could completely shut the outsiders and then we don't have worry about socialism yada yada, right?

[hireamerican]

It IS like taking care of a sore finger. There is NO taming this beast. It is too foregone.

We need to perhaps retain the EB-1 category and strengthen some of the other other visa programs.

[airbusfan]

Originally Posted by hireamerican

The argument to level the playfield for everyone is lost on you. I guess we could completely shut the outsiders and then we don't have worry about socialism yada yada, right?

Well, if you shut out all the outsiders, the corporations would just off-shore the maximum amount of work they possibly can and then you're worse off than where you started.

The reason the playing field isn't equal is because Americans would rather be a doctor, lawyer or a Manager. Nobody wants to spend 100k (today) on a degree and earn 60-90k a year to start with! I would say, reform the education system so that the bachelors degree doesn't push people into bankruptcy and immigration system so that the people who you are complaining about wouldn't abuse the system.

[bugsbunny]

Originally Posted by hireamerican

I did mention the work 'retrain", didn't I ?

I work along side some of these so called hightech workers and know exactly what they do. Most jobs being filled by these so called high tech workers can be filled with US highschoolers.

Were you aware that a big chunk of the fees for applying for an H1B visa goes towards prevention of fraud and scholarships for retraining

Around $2.3 billion has been raised from fiscal years 2000 to 2011 and is used to fund thousands of scholarships for US workers in the fields of Science and Math

Check out the American Competitiveness and Workforce Improvement Act which created this program.

so even after extra scholarships...why is there a shortage of tech workers?...as someone else said...here many don't think its cool to study science...socially cast as a nerd...many start a science degree but never finish. I personally had a friend who started with electrical engg and ended up in kinesiology. Everyone wants to be on wall street or a manager of some kind. Don't get me wrong i am met quite a few gifted Americans but they are the exceptions not the rule.

The reason they are finding more fraud cases is because the fees also provide the money for fraud detection.

and lately there is an additional fee of $2000 for H1B on mostly indian companies which is used to fund border protection and 9/11 safety fund etc.

No one on here supports fraud. You cannot fake a shortage, and with the recent requirement for LCA from Dept of Labor its not easy to fake a low salary.

There used to be a lot of fraud but now its very much reduced with stricter enforcement and thats good for us legitimate people.

[airbusfan]

good point bugsbunny, not to mention the money that H-1B and L-1 would contribute to the border security!!

Originally Posted by bugsbunny

Were you aware that a big chunk of the fees for applying for an H1B visa goes towards prevention of fraud and scholarships for retraining

Around $2.3 billion has been raised from fiscal years 2000 to 2011 and is used to fund thousands of scholarships for US workers in the fields of Science and Math

Check out the American Competitiveness and Workforce Improvement Act which created this program.

so even after extra scholarships...why is there a shortage of tech workers?...as someone else said...here many don't think its cool to study science...socially cast as a nerd...many start a science degree but never finish. I personally had a friend who started with electrical engg and ended up in kinesiology. Everyone wants to be on wall street or a manager of some kind. Don't get me wrong i am met quite a few gifted Americans but they are the exceptions not the rule.

The reason they are finding more fraud cases is because the fees also provide the money for fraud detection.

and lately there is an additional fee of $2000 for H1B on mostly indian companies which is used to fund border protection and 9/11 safety fund etc.

No one on here supports fraud. You cannot fake a shortage, and with the recent requirement for LCA from Dept of Labor its not easy to fake a low salary.

There used to be a lot of fraud but now its very much reduced with stricter enforcement and thats good for us legitimate people.

[bugsbunny]

Originally Posted by airbusfan

Well, if you shut out all the outsiders, the corporations would just off-shore the maximum amount of work they possibly can and then you're worse off than where you started.

The reason the playing field isn't equal is because Americans would rather be a doctor, lawyer or a Manager. Nobody wants to spend 100k (today) on a degree and earn 60-90k a year to start with! I would say, reform the education system so that the bachelors degree doesn't push people into bankruptcy and immigration system so that the people who you are complaining about wouldn't abuse the system.

Microsoft opened a center in Vancouver, canada because they were restricted in hiring tech workers in the US. HP didn't bother ...they just moved a ton of tech jobs to india permanently.
Businesses don't care about who does the work as long as its done quick, good and cheap.

My company recently opened an offshoring center in Costa Rica so they can have offshore workers in the same time zone. they already have several offshore sites in india. If its not india...it will be some other country.

More restrictions for hiring legitimate workers here ...will only lead to more offshoring.
Is it better that these tech workers work here, pay taxes, and support atleast 3 additional jobs by living here and spending into the economy....or it is better that the one tech job and the 3 additional jobs supported by that individual get exported?

[bugsbunny]

Lastly this organization is for reforming the legal immigration process for green cards
our focus is not the H1B visa...although it plays a role in maintaining a legal status here during our endless wait for the green card

Many on here face 30 year waits...how is that fair?
First you have to be good at what you do...then a wiling company has to spend a ton in lawyer fees and go through the whole sponsorship process...showing there are no americans for the job...and then you have to just hang in limbo for 30 years!!! ...just cause you came from a specific country?

Every few years we have to keep spending...or the company has to keep spending to renew the paperwork....travel out of the country can be nightmarish...stuck for hours in the airport...while they check your paperwork...visa refused by consulate even after USCIS approves it. The list of harrasing and humiliating treatment of foreign workers is very very long.

[hireamerican]

If companies offshore the work, we will charge tariffs/taxes when they sell those products in the US. Problem solved.

[hireamerican]

Eliminating Chain immigration is gaining support, so you will only be able to see your extended family when you visit your native countries.

To preserve what this country is , we need to have controlled immigration. We can only let the best and brightest make this country their home.

[hireamerican]

Ultimately people have to be responsible for themselves and their actions.

If companies threaten to outsource and send more jobs overseas, then we will have no choice but to charge Tariffs/taxes on their products to makeup for lost income.

America is such a great country, tAmericans will level the playfield so outsiders can also have the chance to compete alongside themselves.

One has to think outside the box, and not get stuck on concepts/labels. We have to evolve our thinking depending on current events and needs.