Senator questioning Microsoft: How many H1 are you laying Off ?

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by jayleno2009

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...crosoft24.html

MICROSOFT RESPONDED BY SAYING IT WILL LAY OFF FOREIGN WORKERS FIRSTTHIS IS NOT FAIR-I THINK IT IS BOUND TO HAPPEN, SENATORS ARE JUST TREATING ECONOMY AS A POLITICAL FUTBALL AND VICTIMIZING WORKERS

no where has Microsoft said that it'll lay off foreigners first , amongst the first batch there happen to be some h1B's as well , not all .

this is just political mileage that Senater grassley is trying to pick , Microsoft is smarter than to follow it blindly and put itself in a legal soup

please do no create rumors and hysteria .

[a_paradkar]

I don't think MS can choose to H1-B visa / immigrant before an American worker.

This would lead to a discrimination against immigrant employee and which can result into a big law suit. I am pretty sure this is the last thing that MS wants.....


Unfortunately the country politicians and TV host like Lou Dobbs only like to present 1 side of the problem, probably to keep his base happy......

[Matt Krause]

Originally Posted by sanju

Is it feasible to replace those H1b guys with someone with the same skill set (but have no knowledge of the history and institutional knowledge of the new product) who just become available, keeping in mind that the success of the project depends on the same guy (on H1B) to continue to complete the development and rollout of the new product?

But I have heard there ist knowege transer al so. You use knowege transfer to train those American citizens who will be replaceing the Indian H-1Bs so there is no loss of skill> You can use doeumentation that will help Americans replace H-1Bs and there is no "down time" for comapnies. I have seen my uncle do it when comuter training was used at his company in Germany and he said any well trained worker can be used to replace any other well trained woeker. Would not Microsof t do this so as they enable Americans to takeover produkt.

I do not likwe American that works eeither but I can know that they is trained so becoma eas good as Indian? I am not sure but it cannot hirt to see studies. Why for not?

[bondgoli007]

Originally Posted by masaternyc

If we remember right senators wrote letters to Indian government to stop sending software only pp about 2 years back.

I DON'T BUY XYZG'S (FRAUDULENTLY OBTAINED LABOR) STORY??.

Everyone understands that US doesn't need software only ppl. My experience has shown that ppl who apply in non software jobs they get GC almost immediately without much hassle.

All these software consultants doing kaala dhanda created this backlog by selling fraudulently obtained labor AND all these labors should be investigated to the fullest extent.

Gosh you really are a moron and an idiot with all due respect to the word itself!!

By the way what does "software only pp "mean and do you have any source to corroborate this ridiculous line?
"that ppl who apply in non software jobs they get GC almost immediately without much hassle.. "

What exactly is your "experience" in making such baseless assumptions other than your rather unqualified understanding of immigration? Your English is poor and your people skills are evidently meager. Its people like you that give EB immigration a bad name and fuel the membership of anti immigration groups.

At least have the decency to show your real country of chargeability!

[Matt Krause]

Originally Posted by sanju

So it is true that "The purpose H1b is to hire foreigners only when there is no skilled people available in US citizens.". But isn't institutional knowledge or new ideas not part of the skill set? Who decides that? Shouldn't the business interest and competitiveness drive that? So should MS be allowed to do it themselves? Or should grassley decide who is to be retained or who is to be laid off? grassley is lalu of America. Sorry lalu ji if I lowered your standard by comparing grassley to you.

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I am of understanding your problem, but there is logical solution to this If Microsoft always keep an American trained in product knowledge then an H-1B not needed in first place? Wouldn't American then retain knowelge of the products then Microsoft can layoff H-1B becuae enough Americans then have product knowledge. Should someone write to Grassly to see if he know of this idea? Then is it law? I am trying to know moer about US law and cannot figure out things based on Germany that befroe I knew. I am now working in Detroit and very confused about H-1B holders and alot of other things.

[Matt Krause]

Originally Posted by a_paradkar

I don't think MS can choose to H1-B visa / immigrant before an American worker.

Can you exaplin this? I am that confused. So if Microsoft finds American citizen with epxerience and trainng then Microsoft is supposed to let the H-1B laid off because H-1B is not needed anymore?

I am trying to get job started in Detroit but I am having hard time knowing if my company can hire H-1B if there is already American there who is doing job and we are not needing H-1b?

I am sorry English still bad I have been in classes but an speaking better little by little.

[ArkBird]

BondGoli007

Just ignore this Joker (masaternyc) . He has been thread crapping for a while. Checkout his posting on Palestine thread.

Ignore him. That's the best way to tackle him...

Originally Posted by bondgoli007

Gosh you really are a moron and an idiot with all due respect to the word itself!!

By the way what does "software only pp "mean and do you have any source to corroborate this ridiculous line?
"that ppl who apply in non software jobs they get GC almost immediately without much hassle.. "

What exactly is your "experience" in making such baseless assumptions other than your rather unqualified understanding of immigration? Your English is poor and your people skills are evidently meager. Its people like you that give EB immigration a bad name and fuel the membership of anti immigration groups.

At least have the decency to show your real country of chargeability!

[Imigrait]

Originally Posted by leoindiano

Oh Boy, Funny Grassley.....what a joke....He is going against constitution now?

Telling MS to fire people based on their ethnicity, nationality?

Obama, Mr. Hope God, pls. tell this guy to shut up? Thank You

I believe the Constitution is for the citizens of the United States. Correct me if I am wrong.

[WeldonSprings]

According to the renowned Immigration lawyer-

"Cletus Weber, co-founder and partner with Mercer Island-based immigration law firm Peng & Weber, said determining layoffs by nationality or immigration status could violate anti-discrimination laws.

"I know of no immigration law that would require Microsoft or any other U.S. company to lay off its lawfully employed foreign workers first," Weber wrote in an e-mail.

"To the contrary, I believe arbitrarily laying off lawfully employed foreign workers first would subject these companies to potential legal liability under federal anti-discrimination laws."


I think all affected Microsoft employees should get together and file a lawsuit alleging discrimination protected by 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Too long in this country have we legal immigrants bend over on knees to ask our right in the last eight years. It's time now to stand up and shoulder to shoulder fight for our rights in all fairness and justice.

If, we take this passively more longer; then people will take advantage of us like 'slumdogs'; as if they are not doing already. That is the law of nature.

Originally Posted by Imigrait

I believe the Constitution is for the citizens of the United States. Correct me if I am wrong.

[needhelp!]

Originally Posted by Imigrait

I believe the Constitution is for the citizens of the United States. Correct me if I am wrong.

The important point is that the Constitution doesn't apply to Americans, it doesn't apply to citizens, it doesn't even apply to "people." It applies to the federal government. The body of the Constitution tells the federal government what it is allowed to do, and in some places it explains how to do it (election procedures and such).

http://www.lewrockwell.com/browne/browne27.html

[WeldonSprings]

According to the renowned Immigration lawyer-

"Cletus Weber, co-founder and partner with Mercer Island-based immigration law firm Peng & Weber, said determining layoffs by nationality or immigration status could violate anti-discrimination laws.

"I know of no immigration law that would require Microsoft or any other U.S. company to lay off its lawfully employed foreign workers first," Weber wrote in an e-mail.

"To the contrary, I believe arbitrarily laying off lawfully employed foreign workers first would subject these companies to potential legal liability under federal anti-discrimination laws."


I think all affected Microsoft employees should get together and file a lawsuit alleging discrimination protected by 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Too long in this country have we legal immigrants bend over on knees to ask our right in the last eight years. It's time now to stand up and shoulder to shoulder fight for our rights in all fairness and justice.

If, we take this passively more longer; then people will take advantage of us like 'slumdogs'; as if they are not doing already. That is the law of nature.

Originally Posted by Imigrait

I believe the Constitution is for the citizens of the United States. Correct me if I am wrong.

[a_paradkar]

I am trying to say MS cannot choose to lay off an H1-B worker before an American citizen just on basis of his immigration status.

[sanju]

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

I am of understanding your problem, but there is logical solution to this If Microsoft always keep an American trained in product knowledge then an H-1B not needed in first place? Wouldn't American then retain knowelge of the products then Microsoft can layoff H-1B becuae enough Americans then have product knowledge. Should someone write to Grassly to see if he know of this idea? Then is it law? I am trying to know moer about US law and cannot figure out things based on Germany that befroe I knew. I am now working in Detroit and very confused about H-1B holders and alot of other things.

Don't know why, somehow it seems to me that you are an anti-immigrant who is pretending to be some "concerned" about H1B issue.


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[belmontboy]

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

I am of understanding your problem, but there is logical solution to this If Microsoft always keep an American trained in product knowledge then an H-1B not needed in first place? Wouldn't American then retain knowelge of the products then Microsoft can layoff H-1B becuae enough Americans then have product knowledge. Should someone write to Grassly to see if he know of this idea? Then is it law? I am trying to know moer about US law and cannot figure out things based on Germany that befroe I knew. I am now working in Detroit and very confused about H-1B holders and alot of other things.

What is it that you are concerned about?

Sorry, i read your post few times, couldn't figure out what you were talking about!

[Matt Krause]

Originally Posted by bugmenot

singling out H-1B's and Laying them out will be the dumbest move ever by any company as it can bring about a major class action suit citing Anti-Discrimination Laws

companys are smart enough to know this , Senator Grassley is not

I am confuse on this. How does laying off H-1B cause 'citing Anti-Discrimination Laws'? Since H-1B was temporary work visa, layoff is normal because they were meant to go home anyway. There is no discrimination.

That is like saying that if I hire a temporary employee and then let him go when I no longer need him, I am discriminate against temporary employee. Not very sennsical.

Employee was already temporary. Grassly sounds like good for Americans. If I wasn't permanent German citizen I would vote for him. We say in German he has "geffallhenheit" or courage as you Indians would say...