Senator questioning Microsoft: How many H1 are you laying Off ?

[Matt Krause]

Originally Posted by belmontboy

What is it that you are concerned about?

Sorry, i read your post few times, couldn't figure out what you were talking about!

My concern is that strictly from a viewpoint of logic, if Americans already have enough Americans to do the job, why would they need H-1B in the first place? If H-1B was a temporary visa meant to supply temporary labor then having enough permanent American laborers would erase need for H-1B, right, so you wouldn't need to hire H-1Bs in the firsten place. That is why I am confuse.

[ArkBird]

Matt,

Using immigration status i.e. H1B or similar as SOLE criteria for layoffs is discrimination based on nationality or nation of origin. Secondly, I doubt you are German. I have lots of German friends and I know for sure that this is not "Broken German English". Will you be man/woman enough and reveal your actual identity?

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

I am confuse on this. How does laying off H-1B cause 'citing Anti-Discrimination Laws'? Since H-1B was temporary work visa, layoff is normal because they were meant to go home anyway. There is no discrimination.

That is like saying that if I hire a temporary employee and then let him go when I no longer need him, I am discriminate against temporary employee. Not very sennsical.

Employee was already temporary. Grassly sounds like good for Americans. If I wasn't permanent German citizen I would vote for him. We say in German he has "geffallhenheit" or courage as you Indians would say...

[Matt Krause]

Originally Posted by sanju

Don't know why, somehow it seems to me that you are an anti-immigrant who is pretending to be some "concerned" about H1B issue.


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I am very much in favor of immigration to US so how can I be anti-immigrant? I am just confused. I do not understand why temporary laborers are worried about immigration since they were told they were only temporary and were going to return to their original country anyway.

[belmontboy]

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

My concern is that strictly from a viewpoint of logic, if Americans already have enough Americans to do the job, why would they need H-1B in the first place? If H-1B was a temporary visa meant to supply temporary labor then having enough permanent American laborers would erase need for H-1B, right, so you wouldn't need to hire H-1Bs in the firsten place. That is why I am confuse.

What's there to get confused about this??

When demand was more than supply, H1B's (so called temporary workers) were hired.
Now Mr Senator's point is, if you are reducing work force, fire these temp's first so as to save American's jobs.

I do condemn Senator's actions, for it discriminates immigrants. As per him, American's lives/dreams are more important than immigrants.

[ZeroComplexity]

H1-B is not temporary, you can have an H1-B with the intent to immigrate.

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

I am very much in favor of immigration to US so how can I be anti-immigrant? I am just confused. I do not understand why temporary laborers are worried about immigration since they were told they were only temporary and were going to return to their original country anyway.

[needhelp!]

H1B status allows intent to immigrate and many H1Bs have already applied for immigration but have been stuck due to delays for several years.

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

I am very much in favor of immigration to US so how can I be anti-immigrant? I am just confused. I do not understand why temporary laborers are worried about immigration since they were told they were only temporary and were going to return to their original country anyway.

[Matt Krause]

Originally Posted by ArkBird

Matt,

Using immigration status i.e. H1B or similar as SOLE criteria for layoffs is discrimination based on nationality or nation of origin. Secondly, I doubt you are German. I have lots of German friends and I know for sure that this is not "Broken German English". Will you be man/woman enough and reveal your actual identity?

You are right I am not a German. I am an American computer programmer who got laid off when the company I worked started hiring more people from India. I thought my name Matt Krause sounded German so I tried to fool you and now I see that did not work.

[belmontboy]

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

I am very much in favor of immigration to US so how can I be anti-immigrant? I am just confused. I do not understand why temporary laborers are worried about immigration since they were told they were only temporary and were going to return to their original country anyway.

H1B is dual intent visa, providing a path to Permanent Residency (eventually naturalization).

The word "Temporary" associated with H1B is highly misunderstood and misinterpreted, particularly by anti-immigrants.

There is & should be no difference in the status of a H1B employee and US citizen working for same type of job for same company. Now don't you think it amounts to discrimination picking one and letting go the other??

[Matt Krause]

Originally Posted by needhelp!

H1B status allows intent to immigrate and many H1Bs have already applied for immigration but have been stuck due to delays for several years.

That is not really true. H-1Bs were never part of an "intent to immigrate" application. There were specific rules that forbade this.

[belmontboy]

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

That is not really true. H-1Bs were never part of an "intent to immigrate" application. There were specific rules that forbade this.

Now your english sounds much better

What rules r u talking about? could you point us to the source??
Lets talk more concrete instead of pulling facts out of thin air

[masaternyc]

I totally agree with Matt, US hired so called software only programmers for Y2k & Mainframes only, now the problems are fixed they should leave.

Instead these so called software only (mostly) programmers opened up a black market for Green Card by selling labor substitutes and created a huge backlog and genuine people got stuck. Finally USCIS realized that and closed the labor substitutions, but still lots of those people are waiting to get Green Cards who got fraudulent labor, which should be investigated fully before issuing any benefits???

[Matt Krause]

Originally Posted by belmontboy

H1B is dual intent visa, providing a path to Permanent Residency (eventually naturalization).

The word "Temporary" associated with H1B is highly misunderstood and misinterpreted, particularly by anti-immigrants.

There is & should be no difference in the status of a H1B employee and US citizen working for same type of job for same company. Now don't you think it amounts to discrimination picking one and letting go the other??

Not true. The meaning of "temporary" was a legal definition of the H-1B program. It is against the intent of the program to use H-1B terms to define "immigrants" since H-1Bs are not, by laws, immigrants, and therefore cannot be discriminated against as immigrants.

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

You are right I am not a German. I am an American computer programmer who got laid off when the company I worked started hiring more people from India. I thought my name Matt Krause sounded German so I tried to fool you and now I see that did not work.

LOL now i see why you were layed off, thats coz you're friggin dumb

H1B is an intent to immigrate visa , thats the way your Govt set it up , go fight them

now go back to your hole and give our love to NumbersUSA

[cbadari99]

PG is blowing hard as usual. However, I found this guys response apt and if not hilarious. Couldn't resist paraphrasing it.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsour...9820&offset=80

"Now, the recession is not a US only problem - it can certainly be felt here in the UK as well...

...and that's my problem. As a manager I'm forced to let 5 employees go. I have 4 non-UK residents employed, and following the logic that many people support in these comments, I should lay off the foreigners first...right?

My reason for asking this question is that 3 of the 4 people in question are US citizens working in the UK!"

[snathan]

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

I am very much in favor of immigration to US so how can I be anti-immigrant? I am just confused. I do not understand why temporary laborers are worried about immigration since they were told they were only temporary and were going to return to their original country anyway.

H1B is dual intend visa. I hope you know the meaning.