Senator questioning Microsoft: How many H1 are you laying Off ?

[ArkBird]

Oh Oh!!!

You once again ran out of your cell???

Come on... Get back to your cell and play with your make belief friends...

and don't forget to take your medicine and sleep else software programmer will come and convert your labor into fraudulent labor....!!!

Originally Posted by masaternyc

I totally agree with Matt, US hired so called software only programmers for Y2k & Mainframes only, now the problems are fixed they should leave.

Instead these so called software only (mostly) programmers opened up a black market for Green Card by selling labor substitutes and created a huge backlog and genuine people got stuck. Finally USCIS realized that and closed the labor substitutions, but still lots of those people are waiting to get Green Cards who got fraudulent labor, which should be investigated fully before issuing any benefits???

[snathan]

Originally Posted by masaternyc

I totally agree with Matt, US hired so called software only programmers for Y2k & Mainframes only, now the problems are fixed they should leave.

Instead these so called software only (mostly) programmers opened up a black market for Green Card by selling labor substitutes and created a huge backlog and genuine people got stuck. Finally USCIS realized that and closed the labor substitutions, but still lots of those people are waiting to get Green Cards who got fraudulent labor, which should be investigated fully before issuing any benefits???

Every one knows that you are a Jihadi using a fradulent labor and harassing others. You need mental help. You are not a genuine and you are using fradulent labor

[belmontboy]

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

Not true. The meaning of "temporary" was a legal definition of the H-1B program. It is against the intent of the program to use H-1B terms to define "immigrants" since H-1Bs are not, by laws, immigrants, and therefore cannot be discriminated against as immigrants.

Please do research on H1B + dual intent, understand, come back and we shall have a civilized discussion

The fact that you don't like it, doesnot make truth a lie.

[Matt Krause]

Originally Posted by masaternyc

I totally agree with Matt, US hired so called software only programmers for Y2k & Mainframes only, now the problems are fixed they should leave.

Instead these so called software only (mostly) programmers opened up a black market for Green Card by selling labor substitutes and created a huge backlog and genuine people got stuck. Finally USCIS realized that and closed the labor substitutions, but still lots of those people are waiting to get Green Cards who got fraudulent labor, which should be investigated fully before issuing any benefits???

Right! Many H-1Bs from India here used fraudulent resumes to get their jobs which meant they shouldn't be working in the US in the first place. This is also 'illegal immigration' since using fraud to enter a country is illegal.

I grew up in the United States and saw the origins of the H-1B program. It is only for:

1. Skills which Americans lack. If Americans have skills requested for H-1Bs, H-1Bs are not to be utilized.

2. Fraud in temporary worker programs is illegal and will result, in the very least, in the immediate deportation and expulsion of said fraudulent temporary foreign worker. There is no "let's wait around and force the law to change" period like Ted Kennedy and John McCain thougth there was going to be. The law is the law and whining about how it is going to change "in the future" does not change it in the present. Did you use a fake resume to get a job in the H-1B visa program? You broke the law and you have to return home. Right away.

3. Temporary work programs are not "stepping stones" to immigration. That is why they are called temporary work programs. They're temporary, get it?

[snathan]

Originally Posted by masaternyc

Currently US doesnt need software only ppl, they have fixed Y2K, mainframes etc. My experience with non software only people was great, they don't get much trouble.

You are kind of virus and needs to be cleared ASAP. Only Software people can do that effectively. That’s everyone experience. I am just wondering how come a mentally challenged person is admitted in to the US of A. Is there any special category for that..

If you dont have any valid point...why dont you shut your flithy jihadi mouth.

[ArkBird]

Matt,

First of all thank you for civilized conversation. Secondly, ever thought why only H1Bs are allowed to apply for green card and not visitors or tourist?

Let's talk!

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

Right! Many H-1Bs from India here used fraudulent resumes to get their jobs which meant they shouldn't be working in the US in the first place. This is also 'illegal immigration' since using fraud to enter a country is illegal.

I grew up in the United States and saw the origins of the H-1B program. It is only for:

1. Skills which Americans lack. If Americans have skills requested for H-1Bs, H-1Bs are not to be utilized.

2. Fraud in temporary worker programs is illegal and will result, in the very least, in the immediate deportation and expulsion of said fraudulent temporary foreign worker. There is no "let's wait around and force the law to change" period like Ted Kennedy and John McCain thougth there was going to be. The law is the law and whining about how it is going to change "in the future" does not change it in the present. Did you use a fake resume to get a job in the H-1B visa program? You broke the law and you have to return home. Right away.

3. Temporary work programs are not "stepping stones" to immigration. That is why they are called temporary work programs. They're temporary, get it?

[Matt Krause]

Originally Posted by belmontboy

Please do research on H1B + dual intent, understand, come back and we shall have a civilized discussion

The fact that you don't like it, doesnot make truth a lie.

There is no more dual intent aspect to the H-1B visa program. The Department of Labor is no longer under the command of George Bush and many of the rules under his administration were merely guidelines, not actual laws.

The H-1B visa program, is by law, only a temporary labor program which cannot be utilized if Americans can be found to do the same job.

There were no real law changes that made H-1B program anything other than a specific temporary program. I know. I researched it!

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

Right! Many H-1Bs from India here used fraudulent resumes to get their jobs which meant they shouldn't be working in the US in the first place. This is also 'illegal immigration' since using fraud to enter a country is illegal.

I grew up in the United States and saw the origins of the H-1B program. It is only for:

1. Skills which Americans lack. If Americans have skills requested for H-1Bs, H-1Bs are not to be utilized.

2. Fraud in temporary worker programs is illegal and will result, in the very least, in the immediate deportation and expulsion of said fraudulent temporary foreign worker. There is no "let's wait around and force the law to change" period like Ted Kennedy and John McCain thougth there was going to be. The law is the law and whining about how it is going to change "in the future" does not change it in the present. Did you use a fake resume to get a job in the H-1B visa program? You broke the law and you have to return home. Right away.

3. Temporary work programs are not "stepping stones" to immigration. That is why they are called temporary work programs. They're temporary, get it?

yes you're right , there are a few bad apples who soup up their resume to get work , and i'll be as glad as you are if they get thrown out , but like i said dont judge everyone based on a "few bad apples" , if that was the case i'd judge everyone born in the US to have the same mental deficiency that you have , and in that case none of us would be here


again , brush up you're knowledge about "intent to immigrate" in the H1B before you come in and cry here

[amsgc]

It is great to see your language skills improve within an hour of joining IV.
Please consider making a contribution to this great organization that has probably saved you $$$ in language courses

Talk of fraud and deciet - that's rich coming from you Mr. Krausse !!

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

I am confuse on this. How does laying off H-1B cause 'citing Anti-Discrimination Laws'? Since H-1B was temporary work visa, layoff is normal because they were meant to go home anyway. There is no discrimination.

That is like saying that if I hire a temporary employee and then let him go when I no longer need him, I am discriminate against temporary employee. Not very sennsical.

Employee was already temporary. Grassly sounds like good for Americans. If I wasn't permanent German citizen I would vote for him. We say in German he has "geffallhenheit" or courage as you Indians would say...

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

Right! Many H-1Bs from India here used fraudulent resumes to get their jobs which meant they shouldn't be working in the US in the first place. This is also 'illegal immigration' since using fraud to enter a country is illegal.

I grew up in the United States and saw the origins of the H-1B program. It is only for:

1. Skills which Americans lack. If Americans have skills requested for H-1Bs, H-1Bs are not to be utilized.

2. Fraud in temporary worker programs is illegal and will result, in the very least, in the immediate deportation and expulsion of said fraudulent temporary foreign worker. There is no "let's wait around and force the law to change" period like Ted Kennedy and John McCain thougth there was going to be. The law is the law and whining about how it is going to change "in the future" does not change it in the present. Did you use a fake resume to get a job in the H-1B visa program? You broke the law and you have to return home. Right away.

3. Temporary work programs are not "stepping stones" to immigration. That is why they are called temporary work programs. They're temporary, get it?

[belmontboy]

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

Right! Many H-1Bs from India here used fraudulent resumes to get their jobs which meant they shouldn't be working in the US in the first place. This is also 'illegal immigration' since using fraud to enter a country is illegal.
- Thank you for generalizing "All Indians are the same!". I care a rats a$$ about what you think and what you call us. Understand dude, people here have spent 30k on their master's and pay taxes. Don't even think of "illegal".

I grew up in the United States and saw the origins of the H-1B program. It is only for:

1. Skills which Americans lack. If Americans have skills requested for H-1Bs, H-1Bs are not to be utilized.
- True. Nothing has changed. DOL enforces that employers don't abuse H1


2. Fraud in temporary worker programs is illegal and will result, in the very least, in the immediate deportation and expulsion of said fraudulent temporary foreign worker. There is no "let's wait around and force the law to change" period like Ted Kennedy and John McCain thougth there was going to be. The law is the law and whining about how it is going to change "in the future" does not change it in the present. Did you use a fake resume to get a job in the H-1B visa program? You broke the law and you have to return home. Right away.
- Yes. Fake resume is fraud. No questions about that

3. Temporary work programs are not "stepping stones" to immigration. That is why they are called temporary work programs. They're temporary, get it?
- Wrong. H1B is dual intent visa. The law states that clearly. Understand it.

answers inline

[snathan]

Originally Posted by a_paradkar

I am trying to say MS cannot choose to lay off an H1-B worker before an American citizen just on basis of his immigration status.

Its only based on the Business Necessity and role of the individual otherwise its suicidal for MS (business wise)

[ArkBird]

Do you care sharing your research and research material?

If you don't like H1B program and want to do anything about it there is different forum for it.

Cursing us or complaining to us is of no use. You as citizen have more powers to do/get things done than us.

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

There is no more dual intent aspect to the H-1B visa program. The Department of Labor is no longer under the command of George Bush and many of the rules under his administration were merely guidelines, not actual laws.

The H-1B visa program, is by law, only a temporary labor program which cannot be utilized if Americans can be found to do the same job.

There were no real law changes that made H-1B program anything other than a specific temporary program. I know. I researched it!

[cbadari99]

Wow,
Your baby talk improved within a couple of posts. Thats a great achievement.
BTW, curious to know, how much do PG or NUSA pays for fooling around in boards. You know that job is easy to outsource.
Alternatively, seeing the hate and ignorance you spew, you could easily qualify to be a zonnderkommander in your "native" Germany.

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

There is no more dual intent aspect to the H-1B visa program. The Department of Labor is no longer under the command of George Bush and many of the rules under his administration were merely guidelines, not actual laws.

The H-1B visa program, is by law, only a temporary labor program which cannot be utilized if Americans can be found to do the same job.

There were no real law changes that made H-1B program anything other than a specific temporary program. I know. I researched it!

[Matt Krause]

Originally Posted by ArkBird

Do you care sharing your research and research material?

If you don't like H1B program and want to do anything about it there is different forum for it.

Cursing us or complaining to us is of no use. You as citizen have more powers to do/get things done than us.

This has nothing to do with 'like' or 'dislike', It is just information. Since H-1B workers are temporay workers only and Americans have been found who want to have those jobs, they have to go home. Just being informative!

On the above research material? Executive orders are not real laws! That is part of the constitution. Since George Bush is no longer president, those "executive orders" are no longer enforceable. The orginal H-1B visa program now goes back to status it has before George Bush which is that H-1B cannot be utilized if an American can be found who will do do the job. That is the law! I researched it!

[Canadian_Dream]

Matt,
At the cost feeding the troll I am replying to your post. If you have issue with H1B or immigration or in general concerned with the plight of US workers, you are wasting your time in this forum (There are better forums for that and I bet you know about them all). Please go collect the critical mass and lobby for your demands to your own elected government or fight the "evil" corporations who are laying off super qualified folks like yourself. People in this board have done everything under the law created by your very own elected representatives and are still doing it.
What are you trying to achieve by asking them for a solution (or in other words requesting them to pack bags) ? I have seen it many times over when people loose jobs they think H1B must have been responsible for their job loss, which might be true but asking H1B holders to help you get your job back isn't going to help you.

You are one of those who believe that depression in 1930, recession in 1982 and every economic downturn MUST be due to H1B ? You have some how come to believe that all your problems are because of someone else like immigrants, politicians, Wall St, CEO's and may be even cosmic rays emanating from distant stars. Everyone one but you are the cause of your problem. Smart thinking.

If all H1B pack their bags tonight and leave everyone will have jobs and economy will be on track tomorrow morning. Wonder why economist don't get such bright ideas.

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

I tried to fool you and now I see that did not work.

Did you try the same gig at your boss or company ? or Try to fool people by claiming someone's else work as yourself. Quit whining and do some work.
Enough said.

Originally Posted by Matt Krause

You are right I am not a German. I am an American computer programmer who got laid off when the company I worked started hiring more people from India. I thought my name Matt Krause sounded German so I tried to fool you and now I see that did not work.