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vinzak
06-16-2010, 02:10 PM
I have often heard about visa recapture in these forums, and always that there were lost visa numbers. I came across a DHS site yesterday with statstics on GCs issued, and must admit I am a bit confused about what visa recapture means. The site is DHS | Yearbook of Immigration Statistics: 2009 (http://www.dhs.gov/files/statistics/publications/LPR09.shtm) . Looking at table 6 (Persons Obtaining Legal Permanent Resident Status by Type and Major Class of Admission: Fiscal Years 2000 to 2009), we get the following data on EB and FB issuances.

Year 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 Total
FB 235,092 231,699 186,880 158,796 214,355 212,970 222,229 194,900 227,761 211,859 2,096,541
EB 106,642 178,702 173,814 81,727 155,330 246,877 159,081 162,176 166,511 144,034 1,574,894
Total 341,734 410,401 360,694 240,523 369,685 459,847 381,310 357,076 394,272 355,893 3,671,435


if we we were to take deltas from the fb cap of 226k and eb cap of 140k, the scenario looks as follows, where a -ive number indicates over allocation.

Year 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 Total
FB -9,092 -5,699 39,120 67,204 11,645 13,030 3,771 31,100 -1,761 14,141 163,459
EB 33,358 -38,702 -33,814 58,273 -15,330 -106,877 -19,081 -22,176 -26,511 -4,034 -174,894
Total 24,266 -44,401 5,306 125,477 -3,685 -93,847 -15,310 8,924 -28,272 10,107 -11,435

As we can see, cumulatively from 2000-09, 11,435 more visas have been given than actually permitted. Particularly in EB 174k excess visas were given.

I'm curious to know, what recapture means, when it seems visas have not been lost.

The only case for recapture is if we only count the years visas were under allocated, and ignore the years it was overallocated. The scenario would look as follows

Year 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 Total
FB 0 0 39,120 67,204 11,645 13,030 3,771 31,100 0 14,141 180,011
EB 33,358 0 0 58,273 0 0 0 0 0 0 91,631
Total 33,358 0 39,120 125,477 11,645 13,030 3,771 31,100 0 14,141 271,642

So are we trying to recapture 271k visas from this calculation?

If the experts could shed some light on this, that would be great.

willIWill
06-16-2010, 02:54 PM
Vinzak, You have to take into consideration the recaptured visas of the 90's applied in the period 00-06. If I remember correctly the earlier recapture was signed in 2000 by Pres. Clinton . If we exclude those recaptured numbers the actuals are much lesser. Hope this helps.

greyhair
06-21-2010, 11:31 AM
In 2001, Congress passed a bill called American Competitiveness for 21st Century. This bill recaptured all unused/wasted green cards between 1992 to 2000. These recaptured green card numbers were suppose to be applied for EB by distributing them from 2001 to 2005. As the result starting 2001 you see higher than 140K green cards numbers allocated. However, those additional green cards which were suppose to be applied starting 2001 were wasted, in addition to the green card numbers in 2006 and 2007. Also, my understanding of the law is that if in an year, green number is not utilized in FB, in the last quarter of the year that green card visa number could flow to EB . Likewise, if a green card number is not utilized in EB, in the last quarter the unused green card could flow to FB.

I read on this forum that starting 2001 (after the unused visa numbers were captured the last time) the total of these unused/wasted green card numbers from EB + FB is around 316K. Hope this clarifies your question.

But don't count on any new law to recapture green card visas outside of CIR. It is not going to happen. IV core team said that the administration, and both Republican and Democratic lawmakers are opposed to do anything outside of CIR.

Here is today's news in Politico indicating the same thing -
Jon Kyl: Obama holding border 'hostage' - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38789.html)

If Administration can tie high profile subject such as border security with CIR, is there any chance that lawmakers will let Recapture through (outside of CIR)? I don't think so.



I have often heard about visa recapture in these forums, and always that there were lost visa numbers. I came across a DHS site yesterday with statstics on GCs issued, and must admit I am a bit confused about what visa recapture means. The site is DHS | Yearbook of Immigration Statistics: 2009 (http://www.dhs.gov/files/statistics/publications/LPR09.shtm) . Looking at table 6 (Persons Obtaining Legal Permanent Resident Status by Type and Major Class of Admission: Fiscal Years 2000 to 2009), we get the following data on EB and FB issuances.

Year 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 Total
FB 235,092 231,699 186,880 158,796 214,355 212,970 222,229 194,900 227,761 211,859 2,096,541
EB 106,642 178,702 173,814 81,727 155,330 246,877 159,081 162,176 166,511 144,034 1,574,894
Total 341,734 410,401 360,694 240,523 369,685 459,847 381,310 357,076 394,272 355,893 3,671,435


if we we were to take deltas from the fb cap of 226k and eb cap of 140k, the scenario looks as follows, where a -ive number indicates over allocation.

Year 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 Total
FB -9,092 -5,699 39,120 67,204 11,645 13,030 3,771 31,100 -1,761 14,141 163,459
EB 33,358 -38,702 -33,814 58,273 -15,330 -106,877 -19,081 -22,176 -26,511 -4,034 -174,894
Total 24,266 -44,401 5,306 125,477 -3,685 -93,847 -15,310 8,924 -28,272 10,107 -11,435

As we can see, cumulatively from 2000-09, 11,435 more visas have been given than actually permitted. Particularly in EB 174k excess visas were given.

I'm curious to know, what recapture means, when it seems visas have not been lost.

The only case for recapture is if we only count the years visas were under allocated, and ignore the years it was overallocated. The scenario would look as follows

Year 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 Total
FB 0 0 39,120 67,204 11,645 13,030 3,771 31,100 0 14,141 180,011
EB 33,358 0 0 58,273 0 0 0 0 0 0 91,631
Total 33,358 0 39,120 125,477 11,645 13,030 3,771 31,100 0 14,141 271,642

So are we trying to recapture 271k visas from this calculation?

If the experts could shed some light on this, that would be great.

greyhair
06-21-2010, 12:07 PM
Incase anyone in interested, here is the Video of Senator Kyl -
YouTube - Kyl says Obama said no border security for political reasons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpyrlX52TwA)