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pappu
09-09-2010, 05:11 PM
Visa Bulletin for October 2010 (http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_5145.html)

Employment- Based

ROW - CHINA mainland born - INDIA - MEXICO - PHILIPPINES
1st C - C - C - C - C
2nd C - 22MAY06 - 08MAY06 - C - C
3rd 08JAN05 - 08NOV03 - 15JAN02 - 22APR01 - 08JAN05

GCNeophyte
09-09-2010, 05:24 PM
Damn... Looks like EB3 filers needs to send flowers to USCIS now for progressing the PD..

McLuvin
09-09-2010, 05:27 PM
Pappu,

Happen to see this....

"Section 201 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) sets an annual
minimum family-sponsored preference limit of 226,000. The worldwide level for annual employment-based preference immigrants is at least 140,000. Section 202 prescribes that the per-country limit for preference immigrants is set at 7% of the total annual family-sponsored and employment-based preference limits, i.e., 25,620. The dependent area limit is set at 2%, or 7,320."

Is this new... I did not understand the 2% part

BR,
McLuvin

punjabi
09-09-2010, 05:27 PM
As expected...

No surprises this time!


Visa Bulletin for October 2010 (http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_5145.html)

Employment- Based

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rangaswamy
09-09-2010, 05:34 PM
May be they are being conservative and hopefully by end of this quarter it will move a little. At least it hasnt retrogressed!

Had posted this earlier in the day on another thread:
###################
Couple of years ago there was a document that USCIS released which has the detailed per month stats of pending cases based on the PD.

http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/New%20Str...%20Reports.pdf

Combined with the demand data is there any hope of seeing forward movement ?

EB2 pending Jan 1st 2006 to April 30th > 5348

According to demand data EB2 Pending prior to Jan 1st 2007 is 13125

Which means approx 7700 cases are pending from may to Dec of 2006. What is the quarterly quota for EB2?
##############################################

aksaharan
09-09-2010, 05:36 PM
Pappu,
"Section 201 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) sets an annual
minimum family-sponsored preference limit of 226,000. The worldwide level for annual employment-based preference immigrants is at least 140,000. Section 202 prescribes that the per-country limit for preference immigrants is set at 7% of the total annual family-sponsored and employment-based preference limits, i.e., 25,620. The dependent area limit is set at 2%, or 7,320."

Is this new... I did not understand the 2% part



This has been there atleast since I started looking at bulletins .. EB3-I movement by 2 weeks and no retrogession for EB2-I/C is certainly positive and as per many IV members analysis. Lets hope no retrogression going forward.

IndiaBULL
09-09-2010, 08:15 PM
What IV is currently working on? PD is not moving, Quarterly Spill Over is not happening.
Then is IV really actively doing anything to improve this.

micofrost
09-09-2010, 08:27 PM
reasonable argument to progress EB3 :

1. Do not make more than three years difference between eb2 and eb3.
2. If overflow happens, let each oversubscribed categories get minimum 1/5th share since there are 5 categories. That way eb3 gets something.

this should be a minimum reasonable demand for eb3 brethren!!!

GCmuddu_H1BVaddu
09-09-2010, 08:43 PM
Are u kidding? why do you blame IV? Blame your bad luck and blame yourself for not trying alternatives or work with IV and lawmakers. Gadhe!!!!

What IV is currently working on? PD is not moving, Quarterly Spill Over is not happening.
Then is IV really actively doing anything to improve this.

Edison99
09-09-2010, 08:49 PM
What IV is currently working on? PD is not moving, Quarterly Spill Over is not happening.
Then is IV really actively doing anything to improve this.
What's your expectation with IV ?! Please draft guidelines to IV for improvement :rolleyes:

belmontboy
09-09-2010, 08:51 PM
reasonable argument to progress EB3 :

1. Do not make more than three years difference between eb2 and eb3.
2. If overflow happens, let each oversubscribed categories get minimum 1/5th share since there are 5 categories. That way eb3 gets something.

this should be a minimum reasonable demand for eb3 brethren!!!

your short sighted proposal lacks a permanent solution.

Perhaps a more permanent and less controversial solution would be:
1.) from numerical limits exclude all applicants with STEM degree
2.) donot count dependents towards numerical limits

The above solution would reduce backlog and lessen the queue.

skynet2500
09-09-2010, 09:30 PM
I think this is great news for EB2 members who missed September visa bulletin. It was widely anticipated to be retrogressed atleast for few months. Does this mean USCIS is going to clear all 485 until April 2006 before end of september? Gurus, please post the analysis.

micofrost
09-09-2010, 10:16 PM
your short sighted proposal lacks a permanent solution.

Perhaps a more permanent and less controversial solution would be:
1.) from numerical limits exclude all applicants with STEM degree
2.) donot count dependents towards numerical limits

The above solution would reduce backlog and lessen the queue.

Neither u r the president. All of us know, immigration reform won't happen. I was not giving a proposal. Nor that ur solution can be passed in the immediate term. Ur solution is known to all. But no law will be passed w.r.t to immigration reform.

So all we can do is plead infront of the USCIS to take a humanitarian approach at eb3 and do some justice for eb3. I guess that is atleast possible.

belmontboy
09-09-2010, 10:22 PM
Neither u r the president. All of us know, immigration reform won't happen. I was not giving a proposal. Nor that ur solution can be passed in the immediate term. Ur solution is known to all. But no law will be passed w.r.t to immigration reform.

So all we can do is plead infront of the USCIS to take a humanitarian approach at eb3 and do some justice for eb3. I guess that is atleast possible.

Your proposal requires law change.
If we are going to be working on changing law, why not work on the one that gives permanent relief??? :confused:

agaudi
09-09-2010, 10:48 PM
After 5 years 8 months and 28 days of uncertainty, my family and I finally got the news that our cards were being ordered. I know it is frustrating, I have been frustrated for years, I almost wanted to throw in the towel but the GC is finally here, thanks God. Guys out there keep the faith, your day will come sooner or later.

EB3 ROW
PD 12 Dec 2004
I 140 Approved March 2007
I 485 filled 29 Aug 2007
GC Approved 09 Sept 2010

umndude
09-09-2010, 11:24 PM
Why did not you give humanitarian comments 1 year back when your PD was not current. A star is born now to solve EB3 crisis after making sure he is done with it. You and your attitude.



Neither u r the president. All of us know, immigration reform won't happen. I was not giving a proposal. Nor that ur solution can be passed in the immediate term. Ur solution is known to all. But no law will be passed w.r.t to immigration reform.

So all we can do is plead infront of the USCIS to take a humanitarian approach at eb3 and do some justice for eb3. I guess that is atleast possible.

ds37
09-10-2010, 12:13 AM
congrats.
Wish you all the best.

ds

ds37
09-10-2010, 12:15 AM
After 5 years 8 months and 28 days of uncertainty, my family and I finally got the news that our cards were being ordered. I know it is frustrating, I have been frustrated for years, I almost wanted to throw in the towel but the GC is finally here, thanks God. Guys out there keep the faith, your day will come sooner or later.

EB3 ROW
PD 12 Dec 2004
I 140 Approved March 2007
I 485 filled 29 Aug 2007
GC Approved 09 Sept 2010


congrats.
Wish you all the best.

ds

ram999
09-10-2010, 12:42 AM
hi my priority date is : march 2009 , EB2 INDIA
i140 got approved, waiting for priority date to file I485.
how long is going to take to file i485?, any predictions.

hiralal
09-10-2010, 05:36 AM
two to three years for 2009 to become current

reddymjm
09-10-2010, 07:22 AM
two to three years for 2009 to become current

I doubt it will be way earlier than that, as that is the only way they can SCREW EB3 I more, making EB2 current and get a flood of applicationS and money and keep getting the money from EB3 in the form of EAD and AP renewals.

I hope there is an end to it.

peacocklover
09-10-2010, 08:14 AM
That's what they did in JULY Fiasco , shouldn't have done in July 07 and influx of EB3 based AOS applications of July 2007 are stopping eligible EB2 applicants now. At least all of those EB3 folks are enjoying the benefits of EAD and AP ..EB2 folks who missed 2007 chance to file for 485 are suffering now because of those many EB3 pending applications, EB3 folks have to wait for EB2 folks or they have to move on like changing to EB2 based jobs. July 2007 helped most of EB3 folks...it's the time for them to wait for EB2 folks and should feel good for their EAD benefits. I'm not against to EB3 but EB2 must be the priority.

I doubt it will be way earlier than that, as that is the only way they can SCREW EB3 I more, making EB2 current and get a flood of applicationS and money and keep getting the money from EB3 in the form of EAD and AP renewals.

I hope there is an end to it.

reddymjm
09-10-2010, 08:34 AM
That's what they did in JULY Fiasco , shouldn't have done in July 07 and influx of EB3 based AOS applications of July 2007 are stopping eligible EB2 applicants now. At least all of those EB3 folks are enjoying the benefits of EAD and AP ..EB2 folks who missed 2007 chance to file for 485 are suffering now because of those many EB3 pending applications, EB3 folks have to wait for EB2 folks or they have to move on like changing to EB2 based jobs. July 2007 helped most of EB3 folks...it's the time for them to wait for EB2 folks and should feel good for their EAD benefits. I'm not against to EB3 but EB2 must be the priority.

I agree that they shouldn't have done that in July 2007. Don't just tell that EB3 only got the benefits of that. Even EB2 got it. The only thing I am hoping is not another July 2007 again. But it might happen. I am not sure how - influx of EB3 based AOS applications of July 2007 are stopping eligible EB2 applicants now :D. Am I missing some thing.

Or I should ignore you looking at your number of posts.

peacocklover
09-10-2010, 08:57 AM
If they had not done 07 VB dates current , There would be less VISA allocation and workload ( Check number of EB3 applications of India and China in 2005 , 2006 and 2007) and that would have benefited people who are in line both EB3 and EB2 . I think you got good number of posts here that can tell how much time you are spending here and I spared that time for change of job recently to file in EB2...Check that option it will work for you. I think you missed that point..:D

I am not sure how - influx of EB3 based AOS applications of July 2007 are stopping eligible EB2 applicants now :D. Am I missing some thing.

Or I should ignore you looking at your number of posts.

reddymjm
09-10-2010, 09:02 AM
If they had not done 07 VB dates current , There would be less VISA allocation and workload ( Check number of EB3 applications of India and China in 2005 , 2006 and 2007) and that would have benefited people who are in line both EB3 and EB2 . I think you got good number of posts here that can tell how much time you are spending here and I spared that time for change of job recently to file in EB2...Check that option it will work for you. I think you missed that point..:D

Now you agree both EB3 and EB2 got benefited. My PD was current in Jun 2007. I am not a July filer. Work load has nothing to do with the VISA allocation. It was bcoz of July 2007 irrespective of category.

Thanks for the advise and Good luck to you. The amout of time I spent here helped guys like you.

peacocklover
09-10-2010, 09:19 AM
I just said that people like you would have benefited if they hadn't set dates current.. Influx of EB3 based AOS applications of July 2007 are stopping eligible EB2 applicants now...I stick to that point.

Thanks for your social service and Good luck to you too.

Now you agree both EB3 and EB2 got benefited. My PD was current in Jun 2007. I am not a July filer. Work load has nothing to do with the VISA allocation. It was bcoz of July 2007 irrespective of category.

Thanks for the advise and Good luck to you. The amout of time I spent here helped guys like you.

pd052009
09-10-2010, 09:19 AM
Though the post is irrelevant to this thread...

Congrats.... All the best for your journey towards naturalization!

After 5 years 8 months and 28 days of uncertainty, my family and I finally got the news that our cards were being ordered. I know it is frustrating, I have been frustrated for years, I almost wanted to throw in the towel but the GC is finally here, thanks God. Guys out there keep the faith, your day will come sooner or later.

EB3 ROW
PD 12 Dec 2004
I 140 Approved March 2007
I 485 filled 29 Aug 2007
GC Approved 09 Sept 2010

cbcbbbaba
09-10-2010, 09:20 AM
That's what they did in JULY Fiasco , shouldn't have done in July 07 and influx of EB3 based AOS applications of July 2007 are stopping eligible EB2 applicants now. At least all of those EB3 folks are enjoying the benefits of EAD and AP ..EB2 folks who missed 2007 chance to file for 485 are suffering now because of those many EB3 pending applications, EB3 folks have to wait for EB2 folks or they have to move on like changing to EB2 based jobs. July 2007 helped most of EB3 folks...it's the time for them to wait for EB2 folks and should feel good for their EAD benefits. I'm not against to EB3 but EB2 must be the priority.

Why must EB2 be the priority? Is it just a coincidence that you are EB2? What makes you so special?

It's really easy to suggest things that benefits oneself.

GCHope2011
09-10-2010, 09:31 AM
After 5 years 8 months and 28 days of uncertainty, my family and I finally got the news that our cards were being ordered. I know it is frustrating, I have been frustrated for years, I almost wanted to throw in the towel but the GC is finally here, thanks God. Guys out there keep the faith, your day will come sooner or later.

EB3 ROW
PD 12 Dec 2004
I 140 Approved March 2007
I 485 filled 29 Aug 2007
GC Approved 09 Sept 2010
Congratulations Agaudi!! Enjoy your new immigration status!!

GCNeophyte
09-10-2010, 09:38 AM
Folks, Sorry to interrupt your serious debate on EB2 vs EB3 but lot of senior folks (like Pappu etc.,) here on IV thread mentioned in many threads when this kind of debate occurred that from USCIS stand point no one is special just that immigration system it self was broken. We need serious immigration reform (don't just only think about your priority date), we have lots of folks waiting from '07 onwards with the hope that something will happen in year or two to file their 485's and lot of people are waiting for their GCs since 2001.

I think we all are in here (IV) for one reason, Help each other and stand together in this cause. Instead of fighting among each other, we all need fight with congressmen/law makers with why we need serious CIR.

peacocklover
09-10-2010, 09:40 AM
It's not me..It's the standard created by USCIS..I was under EB3, spent two years to change job to get in to EB2... EB2 is special compared to EB3.. There is clear difference between these two.. skilled worker of advanced degrees or exceptional ability and just skilled worker.
Check with your attorney for answer why USCIS would do more scrutiny for EB2 applications.
Ask your petitioner or any desi blood sucking consulting firm owner why they would do in EB3 category not in EB2.


Why must EB2 be the priority? Is it just a coincidence that you are EB2? What makes you so special?

It's really easy to suggest things that benefits oneself.

GCHope2011
09-10-2010, 09:41 AM
That's what they did in JULY Fiasco , shouldn't have done in July 07 and influx of EB3 based AOS applications of July 2007 are stopping eligible EB2 applicants now. At least all of those EB3 folks are enjoying the benefits of EAD and AP ..EB2 folks who missed 2007 chance to file for 485 are suffering now because of those many EB3 pending applications, EB3 folks have to wait for EB2 folks or they have to move on like changing to EB2 based jobs. July 2007 helped most of EB3 folks...it's the time for them to wait for EB2 folks and should feel good for their EAD benefits. I'm not against to EB3 but EB2 must be the priority.
This is such a naive view, devoid of any facts whatsoever. EB3 AOS filings in 2007 preventing EB2 AOS filings???

Please make sure you go through the data about backlogs, and how priority date based cut-offs work and how dates move forward (or backward), before making any more of your ill informed, sweeping posts on EB3 or EB2.

Bottom line is this - EB2I has 4 years worth of "normal" demand (more than 13,000) pending from 2006 (forget about 2007). And unless that gets cleared, EB2I will not move forward, irrespective of whether EB3I demand is 1 or 10 or 10,000 or 100,000.

tamil12
09-10-2010, 09:42 AM
That's what they did in JULY Fiasco , shouldn't have done in July 07 and influx of EB3 based AOS applications of July 2007 are stopping eligible EB2 applicants now. At least all of those EB3 folks are enjoying the benefits of EAD and AP ..EB2 folks who missed 2007 chance to file for 485 are suffering now because of those many EB3 pending applications, EB3 folks have to wait for EB2 folks or they have to move on like changing to EB2 based jobs. July 2007 helped most of EB3 folks...it's the time for them to wait for EB2 folks and should feel good for their EAD benefits. I'm not against to EB3 but EB2 must be the priority.


EB2 is Priority ? since you fall in that Catagory ???:mad:

NELLAIKUMAR
09-10-2010, 09:50 AM
Why must EB2 be the priority? Is it just a coincidence that you are EB2? What makes you so special?

It's really easy to suggest things that benefits oneself.


So... what is going to be the next question... Why is EB1 given priority over EB2 and EB3 categories...

mk26
09-10-2010, 10:22 AM
What IV is currently working on? PD is not moving, Quarterly Spill Over is not happening.
Then is IV really actively doing anything to improve this.
Can you tell me what are you doing about this? other than writng here?

maveric979
09-10-2010, 10:31 AM
Lots of EB2 people are just lucky AH that's all i believe. I have more experience and more skills than most of the EB2 getting their GC's but i have stuck with EB3 just because my company dont do EB2. Guys dont give freeking poses like all you EB2 guys are better than all those 2002-2006 EB3 people waiting in Q because of their bad luck

Edison99
09-10-2010, 10:41 AM
Congrats and enjoy the freedom!
After 5 years 8 months and 28 days of uncertainty, my family and I finally got the news that our cards were being ordered. I know it is frustrating, I have been frustrated for years, I almost wanted to throw in the towel but the GC is finally here, thanks God. Guys out there keep the faith, your day will come sooner or later.

EB3 ROW
PD 12 Dec 2004
I 140 Approved March 2007
I 485 filled 29 Aug 2007
GC Approved 09 Sept 2010

Edison99
09-10-2010, 10:43 AM
Please update your profile / category..

Lots of EB2 people are just lucky AH that's all i believe. I have more experience and more skills than most of the EB2 getting their GC's but i have stuck with EB3 just because my company dont do EB2. Guys dont give freeking poses like all you EB2 guys are better than all those 2002-2006 EB3 people waiting in Q because of their bad luck

punjabi
09-10-2010, 10:46 AM
I noticed that as soon as a visa bulletin comes out, EB2 and EB3 guys start exchanging arguments against each other. WHY?

If not EB2/EB3, IT people and applicants who are in medical profession start cursing each other.

We need to rise above this petty mentality and work towards a common cause.

The fight is not among us. Please try to understand this and stop cursing each other if you do not see a visa bulletin in your favor.


Lots of EB2 people are just lucky AH that's all i believe. I have more experience and more skills than most of the EB2 getting their GC's but i have stuck with EB3 just because my company dont do EB2. Guys dont give freeking poses like all you EB2 guys are better than all those 2002-2006 EB3 people waiting in Q because of their bad luck

smuggymba
09-10-2010, 10:48 AM
USCIS does NOT know EB2 or EB3..................they only know "EB". Pappu has clearly mentioned that if any relief will come, it will come for EB not EB2/3/I/C.

garybanz
09-10-2010, 10:50 AM
What IV is currently working on? PD is not moving, Quarterly Spill Over is not happening.
Then is IV really actively doing anything to improve this.

Before we start talking about what IV has done for your GC, lets talk about what you have done for your own GC or for that matter how you have contributed (money/hours/strategy/support) to IV? Like somebody said, grow up don't act like an ass.

GCNeophyte
09-10-2010, 10:54 AM
Folks, Sorry to interrupt your serious debate on EB2 vs EB3 but lot of senior folks (like Pappu etc.,) here on IV thread mentioned in many threads when this kind of debate occurred that from USCIS stand point no one is special just that immigration system it self was broken. We need serious immigration reform (don't just only think about your priority date), we have lots of folks waiting from '07 onwards with the hope that something will happen in year or two to file their 485's and lot of people are waiting for their GCs since 2001.

I think we all are in here (IV) for one reason, Help each other and stand together in this cause. Instead of fighting among each other, we all need fight with congressmen/law makers with why we need serious CIR.

nmdial
09-10-2010, 10:58 AM
Lots of EB2 people are just lucky AH that's all i believe. I have more experience and more skills than most of the EB2 getting their GC's but i have stuck with EB3 just because my company dont do EB2. Guys dont give freeking poses like all you EB2 guys are better than all those 2002-2006 EB3 people waiting in Q because of their bad luck

Nobody is doubting your competency. It is analogous to saying that all the people studying at Harvard are better that those graduating from Penn State University. The USCIS has created the categories, not IV and it is only a matter of luck that I or anybody else is in EB2 category. I-485 filing before current PD will benefit both EB3 and EB2 people so why not come together and campaign for this cause with IV?

garybanz
09-10-2010, 11:00 AM
Lots of EB2 people are just lucky AH that's all i believe. I have more experience and more skills than most of the EB2 getting their GC's but i have stuck with EB3 just because my company dont do EB2. Guys dont give freeking poses like all you EB2 guys are better than all those 2002-2006 EB3 people waiting in Q because of their bad luck

The logic the govt put in place is that EB1 is better than EB2 is better than EB3 and that is pretty much the order of preference for visa numbers. This is not perfect and there are times when less qualified people get ahead of more qualified people, but we all know no one can change it.

I am sorry to hear that your company is not supporting EB2, but since you are so skilled why don't you join another company and start an EB2 application? I believe that if you are putting up with an employer which is not "fully" supporting you then to some extent you are responsible for your own problems.

Just my 2 cents, nothing personal here.

maveric979
09-10-2010, 11:43 AM
I dont see how US economy will be stable with jobs moving to China, India and South America :). Looks like in few years in US there will be only sellers not buyers since there wont be any jobs for the people. All of us will be working for TSC, SAY or Info... with underpaid wages and lesser beneficent's.

We all fought together in 2007 by participating in rally, flower sending or meetings with USCIS but i feel USCIS is smart enough to separate us by benefiting EB2 (Divide and Rule). Now i don't think any from EB2 will support justice to EB3. I think we are divided and thing wont be same

Some one asked me a question why cant i change company and move to EB2 since i qualify for EB2. Brother now my PD is to close to move and i was qualified for EB2 since 2002 when i applied for my GC but my company policy at that time is that they only sponsor in EB3. I could have changed but i never thought EB3 will be pushed to a corner by USCIS.

brad_sk2
09-10-2010, 11:54 AM
What IV is currently working on? PD is not moving, Quarterly Spill Over is not happening.
Then is IV really actively doing anything to improve this.

Well, you (and me too) are IV...So ask the question to yourself.

yetanotherguyinline
09-10-2010, 12:10 PM
I feel bad for EB3 folks. I hope the community gets together and does something for them. If there is an action item for eb3, I am willing to help out.

Disclaimer: I got my GC in eb2

nmdial
09-10-2010, 12:46 PM
I feel bad for EB3 folks. I hope the community gets together and does something for them. If there is an action item for eb3, I am willing to help out.

Disclaimer: I got my GC in eb2

I-485 filing before PD current is one such campaign which benefits both EB3 and EB2, please join us and help us...

kishorek111
09-10-2010, 12:49 PM
I dont see how US economy will be stable with jobs moving to China, India and South America :). Looks like in few years in US there will be only sellers not buyers since there wont be any jobs for the people. All of us will be working for TSC, SAY or Info... with underpaid wages and lesser beneficent's.

We all fought together in 2007 by participating in rally, flower sending or meetings with USCIS but i feel USCIS is smart enough to separate us by benefiting EB2 (Divide and Rule). Now i don't think any from EB2 will support justice to EB3. I think we are divided and thing wont be same

Some one asked me a question why cant i change company and move to EB2 since i qualify for EB2. Brother now my PD is to close to move and i was qualified for EB2 since 2002 when i applied for my GC but my company policy at that time is that they only sponsor in EB3. I could have changed but i never thought EB3 will be pushed to a corner by USCIS.

USCIS is not wrong in any way. and yes there is sympathy for EB3 folks. But the problem is EB3 wanting some quota from EB2 and naturally EB2 will not support. This would have been the same from EB3 folks had the spillover flown to EB3.

spicy_guy
09-10-2010, 02:29 PM
After 5 years 8 months and 28 days of uncertainty, my family and I finally got the news that our cards were being ordered. I know it is frustrating, I have been frustrated for years, I almost wanted to throw in the towel but the GC is finally here, thanks God. Guys out there keep the faith, your day will come sooner or later.

EB3 ROW
PD 12 Dec 2004
I 140 Approved March 2007
I 485 filled 29 Aug 2007
GC Approved 09 Sept 2010

Congrats. Sooner or later? :D Its only later. But how "later"? 10+ years. :D

umndude
09-10-2010, 02:46 PM
Well Said.
Most of the people are selfish - Survival of the fittest. They want solutions that benefit them. For ex: EB3 folks around 2002-2003 say they want oldest priority dates first irrespective of EB category.
EB2 folks who have their dates current or already got GC, want gap between EB2 and EB3 no more than 3 years. They would not ask for this when they are waiting for their PDs.

No one wants to fight for general cause like
1. Visa recapture (law change)
2. Dependents do not count on EB visas (law change)
3. Allowing all approved I-140 applicants to file for I485 so that applicants and spouses can get EADs (Admin fix)
4. Increasing country limits for severly retrogressed countries
May be more which will help everyone.
5. EB1C misuse in the name MNC managers - crap!

EB3 folks are worried that EB2 folks will get GCs but they do not worry about EB1. Misuse of EB1C, EB2 or other exploits. Typical mentality that it is okay if we suffer but others should also suffer.




USCIS is not wrong in any way. and yes there is sympathy for EB3 folks. But the problem is EB3 wanting some quota from EB2 and naturally EB2 will not support. This would have been the same from EB3 folks had the spillover flown to EB3.

reddymjm
09-10-2010, 03:10 PM
Well Said.
Most of the people are selfish - Survival of the fittest. They want solutions that benefit them. For ex: EB3 folks around 2002-2003 say they want oldest priority dates first irrespective of EB category.
EB2 folks who have their dates current or already got GC, want gap between EB2 and EB3 no more than 3 years. They would not ask for this when they are waiting for their PDs.

No one wants to fight for general cause like
1. Visa recapture (law change)
2. Dependents do not count on EB visas (law change)
3. Allowing all approved I-140 applicants to file for I485 so that applicants and spouses can get EADs (Admin fix)
4. Increasing country limits for severly retrogressed countries
May be more which will help everyone.
5. EB1C misuse in the name MNC managers - crap!

EB3 folks are worried that EB2 folks will get GCs but they do not worry about EB1. Misuse of EB1C, EB2 or other exploits. Typical mentality that it is okay if we suffer but others should also suffer.

Who Said that we are still fighting for all of that, we have been doing that for 4 years aleast I have known.

umndude
09-10-2010, 03:33 PM
If we are fighting for 4+ years where
* You have complete EB participants
* Valid reasons to fight for
and if we cannot achieve anything in that front, then why do EB3 folks want to raise same argument every time that leads to fight between EB3 and EB2?
I fall under EB2 category. Just like others, I too will not support that SOFAD should fall to EB3 and not EB2. As Kishore said, if it is other way round, EB3 folks will do the same.

I agree that EB2 misuse might have happened just like EB1C. But there are lot of EB2 folks like me who have M.S. + 7 years of experience and have to fight with company to make them file in EB2. What is the point then?

Why does someone need a GC?
1. Freedon of Job. (Really big)
2. Spouse works
3. No visa hassles and some money saving on renewal.
Otherwise GC is no good that EAD + AP.

If you can get objective-1 and 2 fulfilled, then 3 is negligible. I think most EB3 folks who argue here about SOFAD are in search of objective-3. Narrow down focus on common issues which will help objectives 1 and 2. Dont keep fighting with EB2 where you will get minimal support.



Who Said that we are still fighting for all of that, we have been doing that for 4 years aleast I have known.

peacocklover
09-10-2010, 04:30 PM
It's originally started by the user 'reddymjm' who claims himself as master in posts commented on EB2. I wouldn't have raised my voice..I'm really sorry for EB3 folks the way the current trend is going on..but can't blame EB2 for anything that's they are going through.. EB2 considers first..if you want to your number should come first move on..you can move to the EB2 based job and port your PD but I can't take your freaking comments on EB2 folks..

I agree 100% with 'umndude' that we all should be untied to benefit it to all and work on those mentioned issues.

I doubt it will be way earlier than that, as that is the only way they can SCREW EB3 I more, making EB2 current and get a flood of applicationS and money and keep getting the money from EB3 in the form of EAD and AP renewals.

I hope there is an end to it.

rodnyb
09-10-2010, 05:42 PM
Really really well said..
most active post is now the so called "prediction" post.. Sometimes I feel just so pathetic participating that post.. as we are just like a dog tail, counting beans, or like a servant.. following all CIS/DOS publications, etc... really sad..

I would like
1. recapture, congress did that before in 2002. IV says it is impossible.. sad :(
2. EB1C abuse.. which is so obvious, as I mentioned many times, EB1C China and Inida usage shot up from ~3K total in 2004 to ~11K in 2009, how they ironic? Congress should ask those MNC pay fees from bringing people in... people in the country filing should have not that issue.

lawyers wont help us, but the infight of EB2/3 are even more sad...

founders sold the site to make money. there is almost no donation on here now..

we are all lost

happy weekend

Well Said.
Most of the people are selfish - Survival of the fittest. They want solutions that benefit them. For ex: EB3 folks around 2002-2003 say they want oldest priority dates first irrespective of EB category.
EB2 folks who have their dates current or already got GC, want gap between EB2 and EB3 no more than 3 years. They would not ask for this when they are waiting for their PDs.

No one wants to fight for general cause like
1. Visa recapture (law change)
2. Dependents do not count on EB visas (law change)
3. Allowing all approved I-140 applicants to file for I485 so that applicants and spouses can get EADs (Admin fix)
4. Increasing country limits for severly retrogressed countries
May be more which will help everyone.
5. EB1C misuse in the name MNC managers - crap!

EB3 folks are worried that EB2 folks will get GCs but they do not worry about EB1. Misuse of EB1C, EB2 or other exploits. Typical mentality that it is okay if we suffer but others should also suffer.

reddymjm
09-10-2010, 06:05 PM
It's originally started by the user 'reddymjm' who claims himself as master in posts commented on EB2. I wouldn't have raised my voice..I'm really sorry for EB3 folks the way the current trend is going on..but can't blame EB2 for anything that's they are going through.. EB2 considers first..if you want to your number should come first move on..you can move to the EB2 based job and port your PD but I can't take your freaking comments on EB2 folks..

I agree 100% with 'umndude' that we all should be untied to benefit it to all and work on those mentioned issues.

That was not a comment on EB2, it was on USCIS.

smuggymba
09-10-2010, 07:09 PM
Well Said.
Most of the people are selfish - Survival of the fittest. They want solutions that benefit them. For ex: EB3 folks around 2002-2003 say they want oldest priority dates first irrespective of EB category.
EB2 folks who have their dates current or already got GC, want gap between EB2 and EB3 no more than 3 years. They would not ask for this when they are waiting for their PDs.

No one wants to fight for general cause like
1. Visa recapture (law change)
2. Dependents do not count on EB visas (law change)
3. Allowing all approved I-140 applicants to file for I485 so that applicants and spouses can get EADs (Admin fix)
4. Increasing country limits for severly retrogressed countries
May be more which will help everyone.
5. EB1C misuse in the name MNC managers - crap!

EB3 folks are worried that EB2 folks will get GCs but they do not worry about EB1. Misuse of EB1C, EB2 or other exploits. Typical mentality that it is okay if we suffer but others should also suffer.

you're absolutely right on last line. People fight b/w EB2 and EB3 but where is EB1. Just because it does not have desis in bulk, people are fine with EB1 whereas EB1 is one of the most misused category. Onsite Infosys PM gets GC in EB1 based on Multinational executive.....ROFL. I know 2 such ppl directly.

Edison99
09-10-2010, 07:15 PM
EB3 wants fair share from spill over not from any other category…
USCIS is not wrong in any way. and yes there is sympathy for EB3 folks. But the problem is EB3 wanting some quota from EB2 and naturally EB2 will not support. This would have been the same from EB3 folks had the spillover flown to EB3.

nousername
09-10-2010, 07:52 PM
Hats off to Brits..
They extremely successfully engraved division and discrimination in Asian's, especially we Indians (and I'm an Indian)..
North - South, Black - White, Panju - Mallu, Bihari - Marathi, Language, EB1 - EB2 - EB3.. It never ends, correct??

We will "never" be united.

Question 1 - When you call to any 800 customer service # and the call is router to India, person on the other side usually (like 99.99% times) asks, "where are you from". Honestly, what do you say in reply?? I bet majority of us say from Hyderabad, Bombay, Patna, Delhi.. No one says, from INDIA.

Question 2 - Have you ever seen two Americans meeting outside the country and saying, oh I'm a Nevadian or Californian, no, they all are American PERIOD.

Start working on basic discrimination (language, region, cast, etc.) and this EB2 EB3 will get fixed by itself. If possible teach this to the next generation so that in future they identify themselves first as part of a bigger set, instead of just focusing on sub sets.

xyzgc
09-11-2010, 08:31 PM
Hats off to Brits..
They extremely successfully engraved division and discrimination in Asian's, especially we Indians (and I'm an Indian)..
North - South, Black - White, Panju - Mallu, Bihari - Marathi, Language, EB1 - EB2 - EB3.. It never ends, correct??

We will "never" be united.

Question 1 - When you call to any 800 customer service # and the call is router to India, person on the other side usually (like 99.99% times) asks, "where are you from". Honestly, what do you say in reply?? I bet majority of us say from Hyderabad, Bombay, Patna, Delhi.. No one says, from INDIA.

Question 2 - Have you ever seen two Americans meeting outside the country and saying, oh I'm a Nevadian or Californian, no, they all are American PERIOD.

Start working on basic discrimination (language, region, cast, etc.) and this EB2 EB3 will get fixed by itself. If possible teach this to the next generation so that in future they identify themselves first as part of a bigger set, instead of just focusing on sub sets.

While I understand the sentiment, Brits are not responsible for EB2 vs EB3 arguments :D
There will always be divisions - remember the yankees vs the confederates :p but in the end we will always work together.

For those wishing repeat of July 07 be careful what you wish for.
EB2-I will also meet the same fate. There will be a flood of EB2 -I485 filings not mention that unfortunates EB3-Is that got "left" out last time. I think they are the only ones who will get an interim benefits and then all indians will rot together for years to come. There will no more divisions left and we will be genuinely be part of the bigger set :-).

Logically speaking this shouldn't happen but logically speaking logic doesn't always work with the USCIS.The policy makers are already overwhelmed by the number of indian gc applicants. A flood of applications will provide sufficient reasons to stall PD future movements for EB2-I.

kishorek111
09-12-2010, 01:11 PM
EB3 wants fair share from spill over not from any other category…

What is fair share and on what basis do you calculate fair share? There is a rule set by govt over the spillover and USCIS follows that rule. Unless that rule is changed, there cannot be any spillover to EB3. Either you have to fight to change this rule or fight to change the rules that benefit everybody.. it is for you to decide.

Achi Goro
09-12-2010, 02:14 PM
You guys think EB-3 rest of the world may still advance? Do u think it may advance to 2006 by middle of 2011?

deepimpact
09-12-2010, 03:05 PM
You guys think EB-3 rest of the world may still advance? Do u think it may advance to 2006 by middle of 2011?

EB3-ROW has demand of ~ 37K prior to 1 Jan 2007 and they have quota of ~ 30K for FY2011. So if USCIS does not mess up, then EB3-ROW should get to mid 2006 by Sep 2011.

Achi Goro
09-12-2010, 06:59 PM
EB3-ROW has demand of ~ 37K prior to 1 Jan 2007 and they have quota of ~ 30K for FY2011. So if USCIS does not mess up, then EB3-ROW should get to mid 2006 by Sep 2011.


Hi deepimpact, thanks so much for your response. I think I like your analysis. My priority date is October 2006(ROW). So I'm keeping hope high.

GC4US
09-12-2010, 07:13 PM
EB3-ROW has demand of ~ 37K prior to 1 Jan 2007 and they have quota of ~ 30K for FY2011. So if USCIS does not mess up, then EB3-ROW should get to mid 2006 by Sep 2011.


My priority date is :september. 2005 , Eb3,ROW....can anyone tell me how many applications are pending before my priority date; and when i might be current?

Thank you in advance!

slns
09-13-2010, 01:55 AM
After 5 years 8 months and 28 days of uncertainty, my family and I finally got the news that our cards were being ordered. I know it is frustrating, I have been frustrated for years, I almost wanted to throw in the towel but the GC is finally here, thanks God. Guys out there keep the faith, your day will come sooner or later.

EB3 ROW
PD 12 Dec 2004
I 140 Approved March 2007
I 485 filled 29 Aug 2007
GC Approved 09 Sept 2010


Reply to the above discussion


Hi

Mine Feb 2002 and i am more frustrated then you, also i am continuously working from Feb 2001 to till date. Its surprised me, how can UCIS process a date which is not PD. This is so stupid but don't think other wise. Since i am waiting 9th year and still no GC.
Any how congrats

slns

anantc
09-13-2010, 01:27 PM
Boss,
The one which 485 got approved is of Chargeability : Colombia

ivgclive
09-13-2010, 05:34 PM
Hi

Mine Feb 2002 and i am more frustrated then you, also i am continuously working from Feb 2001 to till date. Its surprised me, how can UCIS process a date which is not PD. This is so stupid but don't think other wise. Since i am waiting 9th year and still no GC.
Any how congrats

slns

Application was belonging to EB3 - ROW category, not EB3 - I

GC4US
09-15-2010, 12:32 AM
Can anyone help me with my status?

My priority date is :september. 2005 , Eb3,ROW....can anyone tell me how many applications are pending before my priority date; and when i might be current?

Thank you in advance!

ca_immigrant
09-15-2010, 12:49 AM
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reddymjm
09-15-2010, 05:39 AM
Can anyone help me with my status?

My priority date is :september. 2005 , Eb3,ROW....can anyone tell me how many applications are pending before my priority date; and when i might be current?

Thank you in advance!

Last Quarter of 2011, 2011 Jul - Sep.