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hcard
04-30-2008, 09:29 AM
TOP USCIS AND DOS OFFICIALS TO TESTIFY IN HOUSE HEARING ON WASTED VISA NUMBERS AND BACKLOGS

http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2008/04/top-uscis-and-d.html

http://judiciary.house.gov/oversight.aspx?ID=435

leoindiano
04-30-2008, 11:10 AM
Good info....cant wait to see what they have to say....

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 11:27 AM
Guys

is there any webcast link so we can listen online ?

bala50
04-30-2008, 11:33 AM
Web cast Link


http://judiciary.house.gov/schedule.aspx

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 11:38 AM
04/30/2008: Petitions & Applications Pending as of March 31, 2008 - USCIS

I-140=146,092
I-485=762,938
I-765=158,565
I-130=1,387,045

Did they release this info because of hearing today ? Can we find out how many of EB out of those I 485 ?

rsdang
04-30-2008, 11:41 AM
TOP USCIS AND DOS OFFICIALS TO TESTIFY IN HOUSE HEARING ON WASTED VISA NUMBERS AND BACKLOGS

http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2008/04/top-uscis-and-d.html

http://judiciary.house.gov/oversight.aspx?ID=435
some movement - hope it results in progress... Keeping the fingers crossed...

webm
04-30-2008, 11:48 AM
TOP USCIS AND DOS OFFICIALS TO TESTIFY IN HOUSE HEARING ON WASTED VISA NUMBERS AND BACKLOGS

http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2008/04/top-uscis-and-d.html

http://judiciary.house.gov/oversight.aspx?ID=435

Let's hope for the best decision!!

------------------
EB3-I PD Oct,01,2001
485 RD-June,2007 (TSC)

GCwaitforever
04-30-2008, 11:56 AM
Those numbers can be misleading. USCIS does not count petitions pending under FBI Name Check as backlogged.

conundrum
04-30-2008, 12:06 PM
does the new 180 days rule apply to these numbers if they are not counting the ones stuck in name check?

rahulpaper
04-30-2008, 12:13 PM
Shouldnt this I485 number include all of following:
Employment based or
Family based or
Anyone in FBI Net (name check) or
Anyone in RFE loops etc



Those numbers can be misleading. USCIS does not count petitions pending under FBI Name Check as backlogged.

maverick_joe
04-30-2008, 02:40 PM
this would be interesting to hear to! thanks for sharing!

TOP USCIS AND DOS OFFICIALS TO TESTIFY IN HOUSE HEARING ON WASTED VISA NUMBERS AND BACKLOGS

http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2008/04/top-uscis-and-d.html

http://judiciary.house.gov/oversight.aspx?ID=435

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 02:49 PM
30 Minutes to go !! :):):):):)

kshitijnt
04-30-2008, 02:53 PM
04/30/2008: Petitions & Applications Pending as of March 31, 2008 - USCIS

I-140=146,092
I-485=762,938
I-765=158,565
I-130=1,387,045

Did they release this info because of hearing today ? Can we find out how many of EB out of those I 485 ?

They need 10 months to process 146K I-140s but just 3 months for 765s. Ridiculous people.

she81
04-30-2008, 03:08 PM
I believe the 140 backlog is artificial. They processed only 2k cases in one month. How come they finished all EADs in 3 months for all June/July filers? There is something more to all this than meets the eye.

Bootmline is they want to make it hard for us one way or the other. Btw, I had just come out of BEC and got stuck with 140 now.

GCwaitforever
04-30-2008, 03:11 PM
I believe the 140 backlog is artificial. They processed only 2k cases in one month. How come they finished all EADs in 3 months for all June/July filers? There is something more to all this than meets the eye.

Bootmline is they want to make it hard for us one way or the other. Btw, I had just come out of BEC and got stuck with 140 now.

When did your labor process from BEC? Do you know if there are any pending cases with National processing center, which is the successor of BECs?

jindhal
04-30-2008, 03:11 PM
Does anyone else have the same problem. The webcast is erroring out.. saying page not found .

she81
04-30-2008, 03:14 PM
At the end of July. I'm not aware of National processing centers. Are there still labor applications stuck there?

Humhongekamyab
04-30-2008, 03:15 PM
Does anyone else have the same problem. The webcast is erroring out.. saying page not found .

Let's try at 2:30 PM.

glus
04-30-2008, 03:23 PM
its working now...

Humhongekamyab
04-30-2008, 03:24 PM
It's live...the webcast.

Mouns
04-30-2008, 03:24 PM
Does anyone else have the same problem. The webcast is erroring out.. saying page not found .

It is 2.25 pm and I still can't access the webcast. It was working fine 1h ago or so...

Humhongekamyab
04-30-2008, 03:25 PM
It is 2.25 pm and I still can't access the webcast. It was working fine 1h ago or so...

Now why would they start the webcast for you at 2:25 when the scheduled hearing is at 2:30.

chanduv23
04-30-2008, 03:26 PM
It is 2.25 pm and I still can't access the webcast. It was working fine 1h ago or so...

I am not getting audio but able to see

asanghi
04-30-2008, 03:26 PM
The link got working again, but nothing is happening as of yet.

chanduv23
04-30-2008, 03:27 PM
The link got working again, but nothing is happening as of yet.

Is there audio?

Mouns
04-30-2008, 03:28 PM
The link got working again, but nothing is happening as of yet.

Nothing works for me. No visual / No audio. Nothing... :mad:

asanghi
04-30-2008, 03:31 PM
Is there audio?

No audio. Just deafening silence (deafening because of high level of background noise). I thought they aren't saying anything.

Mouns
04-30-2008, 03:31 PM
Nothing works for me. No visual / No audio. Nothing... :mad:

I had to clear my cache, 'Save the link As' and then launch it from outside my browser. I have a visual, nothing is happening. No sound at this point.

whitecollarslave
04-30-2008, 03:31 PM
Can somebody post the link please?

chanduv23
04-30-2008, 03:32 PM
No audio. Just deafening silence (deafening because of high level of background noise). I thought they aren't saying anything.

Same here, looks like a technical issue.

asanghi
04-30-2008, 03:33 PM
Can somebody post the link please?

http://judiciary.house.gov/schedule.aspx

Humhongekamyab
04-30-2008, 03:33 PM
Can somebody post the link please?

http://judiciary.house.gov/schedule.aspx

asanghi
04-30-2008, 03:35 PM
Somebody starts to speak.

Humhongekamyab
04-30-2008, 03:35 PM
We have the sound now.

lskreddy
04-30-2008, 03:37 PM
I tried several times and it started finally working with real player. I think it is Lofgren who is giving the status of the backlog, wastage etc..

webm
04-30-2008, 03:37 PM
It's on the Air now..Live session..

keep tight!!

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 03:38 PM
What they are discussing .. can some one put something..

Mouns
04-30-2008, 03:38 PM
Can somebody post the link please?

http://boss.streamos.com/real-live/judiciary/17223/56_judiciary-coj_2141_070212.ram
Need real player

lskreddy
04-30-2008, 03:41 PM
Someone by Steve King is expressing his reasons why we should not let this happen as this is a 'backdoor' way to increase the number. What a start..

purgan
04-30-2008, 03:43 PM
steve king is the new tancredo in congress. dobbs best buddy. advised by numbersusa, FAIR and CIS.

A hard core anti-immigrant from Iowa

docp
04-30-2008, 03:44 PM
anything with window media player

gc_dedo
04-30-2008, 03:44 PM
http://boss.streamos.com/real-live/judiciary/17223/56_judiciary-coj_2141_070212.ram
Need real player
damn not working for me.
maybe its my office proxy problem

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 03:44 PM
http://boss.streamos.com/real-live/judiciary/17223/56_judiciary-coj_2141_070212.ram
Need real player

Please post as it advance so people like me can have idea on what is going on..

absaarkhan
04-30-2008, 03:45 PM
It is blocked from my Company too.
Please post the updates.

nixstor
04-30-2008, 03:45 PM
King says

tens of thousands applicants who will eventually get their GC applications get denied are getting free ride on EAD/AP.

rebukes USCIS and DOS for July 07 Visa Gate

Now talking about illegals. Finally shuts up and gives back to Lofgren

Lofgren introducing USCIS and DOS officials.

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 03:47 PM
King says

tens of thousands applicants who will eventually get their GC applications get denied are getting free ride on EAD/AP.

rebukes USCIS and DOS for July 07 Visa Gate

Now talking about illegals. Finally shuts up and gives back to Lofgren

Lofgren introducing USCIS and DOS officials.

nixstor :)

Thank you .. keep posting..

nogc_noproblem
04-30-2008, 03:48 PM
Please keep posting the updates...

sanju
04-30-2008, 03:49 PM
Michael Aytes starts speaking - provides stats about how good USCIS is doing and how many people were processed/given green cards.

gc_dedo
04-30-2008, 03:51 PM
working for me
I check the option in Real Player
Tools -> Preferences -> Connection-> Network Transport-> Use specific UDP ports

nixstor
04-30-2008, 03:52 PM
Aytes saying

USCIS is working with DOS in concert to improve the utilization of visa numbers. explaining the priority date. Saying that DOS moving the VB like last July will cause many applicants to file irrespective of how many visa numbers are available.

Is Aytes saying that DOS moved the PD's in haste?

lskreddy
04-30-2008, 03:54 PM
Other than boasting how excellent USCIS is doing their job, there was nothing new or helpful to the actual bill. It was actually counter to the task at hand. That was Aytes...

Now, a State dept person is talking about how efficient they are..

kalinga_sena
04-30-2008, 03:54 PM
heavy traffic!!!

maverick_joe
04-30-2008, 03:56 PM
I totally agree..he was all ga ga abt what USCIS is doing and how efficently they have already processed 65% of available visa numbers for the fiscal.

Other than boasting how excellent USCIS is doing their job, there was nothing new or helpful to the actual bill. It was actually counter to the task at hand. That was Aytes...

Now, a State dept person is talking about how efficient they are..

Mouns
04-30-2008, 03:57 PM
OK so they are all happy. We don't know why the backlogs or what is being done to address that. Damn it!

nixstor
04-30-2008, 03:57 PM
Tony Edson, Charlie Oppenheim's boss explaining the process of how the PD's are moved in VB. Says CIS uses 90% of the EB visa numbers. Says their job in last quarter becomes tough because of unpredictability and talks about the 95% utilization rate of visa numbers with in DOS

EkAurAaya
04-30-2008, 03:58 PM
King says

tens of thousands applicants who will eventually get their GC applications get denied are getting free ride on EAD/AP.


I didnt get this... did he mean GC applications that eventually get denied are getting a free ride because of EAD/AP?

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 03:58 PM
I can understand if some congressman is agianst it.. but why USCIS doesnot want additional visa..

kalinga_sena
04-30-2008, 03:59 PM
Aytes is talking about transformation program...

Mouns
04-30-2008, 03:59 PM
I didnt get this... did he mean GC applications that eventually get denied are getting a free ride because of EAD/AP?

Yes because while the GC is pending the EAD/AP is given as a right not based on the merits. So you get a free ride, even if down the road you are not eligible for a GC...

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 04:00 PM
We dont need EAD And AP if they process 485 in 6 months or less

lskreddy
04-30-2008, 04:01 PM
Mr. Aytes talked about procedural changes that they undertook which moved them away from First in, first out. They are now approving petitions (not just adjustments -485's) which would have an opportunity to immigrate sooner, like a person from ROW.

No wonder my 140 is stuck..Damn..

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 04:03 PM
Aytes is talking about transformation program...

Any idea on transformation program ??:confused::confused:

nixstor
04-30-2008, 04:03 PM
Lofgren asked one of the best Q of the day.

What is CIS doing to improve utilization rate of visa numbers this year?

Aytes says USCIS and DOS are talking every week to improve utilization.

Time will tell what happened

turned over to Steve King ranting is going to start. Talking about his own numbers :)

IVFOREVER
04-30-2008, 04:04 PM
SO IF they move PD's to 2006 dec then there is aposibility that all 2006 pd 's get GC's before 2001 pd's.:mad:

Mouns
04-30-2008, 04:05 PM
... King is happy with the current numbers. "Don't take the risk to go over the caps" he says...

gccovet
04-30-2008, 04:06 PM
SO IF they move PD's to 2006 dec then there is aposibility that all 2006 pd 's get GC's before 2001 pd's.:mad:

No, I think it then based on PD.
GCCovet

nixstor
04-30-2008, 04:07 PM
SO IF they move PD's to 2006 dec then there is aposibility that all 2006 pd 's get GC's before @001 pd's.:mad:

Aytes said " We are moving towards processing based on the shift in priority dates"

what I understood is Aytes is talking about the sweep USCIS is conducting as soon as the VB released. The sweep was mentioned by a lot of service center personnel when members were calling for case status

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 04:07 PM
... King is happy with the current numbers. "Don't take the risk to go over the caps" he says...


Why King is not understanding this is not over cap. These are unsed visa from past years.. Such a foolish politics.

GCwaitforever
04-30-2008, 04:08 PM
Transformation program is randomly processing applications to thier liking and ignoring priority date, FIFO etc ... From this chaos, order generates itself. Kind of testing Chaos theory. :D

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 04:11 PM
When this will end ? and will they put recording or transcript ?

leoindiano
04-30-2008, 04:12 PM
Stupid king doesnt understand the diff. between this limit and H1 limit.

conundrum
04-30-2008, 04:13 PM
The member from Chicago is mainly concerned about the family based limits. He wants to know what the limit is or if there is a cap in the first place

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 04:14 PM
Hahaha... Oppenheim just got caught in his words by that guy ... yoooooo!

can you share more detail on that incident ?

IVFOREVER
04-30-2008, 04:14 PM
Mr.King is a mouth piece for some (NUmbersUSa......) with out any knowledge on issues....
What do you expect from MR.King?

EkAurAaya
04-30-2008, 04:15 PM
Hahaha... Oppenheim just got caught in his words by that guy ... yoooooo!
Care to elaborate... for the audio/visually deprived :)

Mouns
04-30-2008, 04:15 PM
Max waiting country Philippines (family based) = 22 years
if recapture enacted we shortened it for a few months.

Very good analysis by the guy currently speaking. I love it! basically he is laughing at the 'family values as defended by the USCIS and DOS'. What a poor job they are doing!

nixstor
04-30-2008, 04:16 PM
Who is this rep from Chicago? Is that Guiterrez. Ripping apart King's argument.

lskreddy
04-30-2008, 04:17 PM
Guiterrez (spelt wrong) was brilliant in stating how screwed the FB system. He was particularly clear on his examples for FB. Kudos to him..

And, they talked about the statute and bulletin mismatch of words...

conundrum
04-30-2008, 04:17 PM
the chair person has just asked the best question of the day, about EB2 person having to wait even though the DOL has approved their case

Mouns
04-30-2008, 04:19 PM
Born in China, you can't get a Visa, even if you have a job not fillable by an US guy. And same thing if you are spouse,child you need to wait for years.
Can we estimate what kind of relief would be given in these cases?

Openheim: 225K recaptured GC family and Employment. Would provide some relief, not a lot!. As for family, about 50GC would go the husband and wife. it would be a first step.

Lowsy job and recapturing wouldn't help a lot! needs to explore other possibilities...

Mouns
04-30-2008, 04:20 PM
:mad:

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 04:21 PM
Will there be a voting today to decide to move further in this process ? OR commette chairman will decide based on hearing ...

rongha_2000
04-30-2008, 04:21 PM
Only 95000 GCs? I thought the recap number is somewhere in the 200K range. Or is this family based GC for which 95K will be available?

Max waiting country Philippines (family based) = 22 years
if recapture enacted we shortened it for a few months.

Very good analysis by the guy currently speaking. I love it! basically he is laughing at the 'family values as defended by the USCIS and DOS'. What a poor job they are doing!

leoindiano
04-30-2008, 04:22 PM
"Lowsy job and recapturing wouldn't help a lot! needs to explore other possibilities..."

I smell some delay tactics there...:)

Mouns
04-30-2008, 04:26 PM
Due to 9/11?
Do you understand the frustration among people who want to make this work and who want to defend the system?

In other way, what good is there to follow the law while illegals have it easier?

Great question!


--- Answer

yes we understand (sure...). Two kinds of backlogs:
1) Processing backlogs, due to the surge and other issues. We try to provide services timely, we understand our responsibility (no info as to what is being done and how this will change in the future)

2) Limitations due to law: (PDs). Demands is greater than the visa numbers (China, India, Mexico, Philipine: You are screwed here!) => 20 years or more of waiting.

Mouns
04-30-2008, 04:27 PM
Only 95000 GCs? I thought the recap number is somewhere in the 200K range. Or is this family based GC for which 95K will be available?

Yes, regarding recapture for family based only. If you add employment one you are talking about 200K total.

Googler
04-30-2008, 04:28 PM
Taking a break at work so decided to listen in. Aytes said something astonishing a little bit ago -- the FIFO was a great idea but under present circumstances it is not...something about very early PD applications may take longer...

This is an outrageous statement and he deserves to be berated and grilled about it. I hope IV core is paying attention and will bring this to Lofgren's attention.

I hope a full transcript will be made available. There should be a point by point response to all their BS.

webm
04-30-2008, 04:28 PM
Testimony is going in full mood/swing..questions by questions...to uscis/dos..

Mouns
04-30-2008, 04:29 PM
OK so here it is, it will get 2 years before the backlogs due to the surge clear and to get back to normal... :mad:

lskreddy
04-30-2008, 04:30 PM
Taking a break at work so decided to listen in. Aytes said something astonishing a little bit ago -- the FIFO was a great idea but under present circumstances it is not...something about very early PD applications may take longer...

This is an outrageous statement and he deserves to be berated and grilled about it. I hope IV core is paying attention and will bring this to Lofgren's attention.

I hope a full transcript will be made available. There should be a point by point response to all their BS.

I agree. This was an outrageous statement.

nogc_noproblem
04-30-2008, 04:30 PM
Wondering when Lofgren will get a chance to talk

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 04:34 PM
If this is the case right now.. Think about House and Senate.. Will they pass it easily ? Eventually they will say next year we dont have time for immi stuff this year..

rongha_2000
04-30-2008, 04:34 PM
And the situation prior to surge wasnt any better either. I remember in 2006, the PD for India EB3 was April 2001 and now its Nov 2001. :mad:

OK so here it is, it will get 2 years before the backlogs due to the surge clear and to get back to normal... :mad:

Mouns
04-30-2008, 04:37 PM
And the situation prior to surge wasnt any better either. I remember in 2006, the PD for India EB3 was April 2001 and now its Nov 2001. :mad:

This was directed to people who were current. If you are from India, China, Mexico, Philippines, get used to waiting. Your backlog is due to numerical limits. And this won't change (the way I see it)

kaisersose
04-30-2008, 04:39 PM
This was directed to people who were current. If you are from India, China, Mexico, Philippines, get used to waiting. Your backlog is due to numerical limits. And this won't change (the way I see it)

Yes, it appears people on this forum are still confused about backlogs due to unavailable visa numbers and backlog due to CIS having too many 485s to process.

They are 2 different things.

rongha_2000
04-30-2008, 04:40 PM
These guys are so pathetic. Have they heard a concept of "Digracing from Issue". We had better debates in my college competitions.

Committee members, dont mix issues and derail our hopes, please...!!

Aaaahhhhhh.... they are talking about delay in getting H1B visa and something like that ... guyssssssssssssssssss

gc_dedo
04-30-2008, 04:41 PM
this sucks.
they dont know the difference between gc visas and h1 visas.
hes talking about employer trying to get visas to people to come and work.
no hope

rongha_2000
04-30-2008, 04:44 PM
This was a good one..!! what was the response?

Nice point - he is asking for suggestions to improve the process (making things quicker) ... any suggestions at all !!!!

Joke joke... the reply was it will take some time to get back to you on that ... questioner asked - is it going to take as long as it takes to get a visa or faster???

mirage
04-30-2008, 04:48 PM
They are totally off the topic...

kshitijnt
04-30-2008, 04:48 PM
One guy asked Aytes are you going to take time for making suggestions, as long as it takes to process a visa? LOL Kick

Mouns
04-30-2008, 04:48 PM
The adjucation will always be of the same quality.

Although it is too long now, they won't speed it up :mad:

Aah_GC
04-30-2008, 04:51 PM
I wonder how these guys can engage in a discussion without knowing the basics. WTF??????

pointlesswait
04-30-2008, 04:53 PM
for many its one and the same..delay in GC

i think nothing will ever happen for GC backlogs in near future..

allowing X-number of immigrants is based on a social vision of US!
Too many from one coutnry will dilute that notion of melting pot and make it too much of "sambar" or "wonton soup"....like londonisthan..americans are not so dumb as those brits!!1

The wait is deliberate and will be that way..like it or not!
these debaters are like laloo prasads of india..talk away to oblivion..

:cool:
lobbying is gorafied version of desi corruption : its only the packaging thats different!;-)


Yes, it appears people on this forum are still confused about backlogs due to unavailable visa numbers and backlog due to CIS having too many 485s to process.

They are 2 different things.

lskreddy
04-30-2008, 04:55 PM
Jeez, they are done. I am freaking dumbstruck for the sheer lack of substance in the discussion. Gosh, what a waste of tax-payers money!!

gc_dedo
04-30-2008, 04:56 PM
wow they have run out of questions.

mirage
04-30-2008, 04:56 PM
I don't understand how removing the country limit may have resorce implications, as how I understand is, instead of adjucation an EB-2(2008) from Mali you'll be adjucating an EB-2(2004) from India, what difference it is for them ???

Mouns
04-30-2008, 04:56 PM
I am very disappointed. I was hoping for more relevant questions, and more to the point:
Why is it such a mess? What is being done?

It is just all bad. And yet I am current so I shouldn't complain. But man, this system is surely broken.

Good luck to you all.

rongha_2000
04-30-2008, 04:57 PM
They are done with the hearing?? WTF???? Have they got any fruitful information out of it? I feel so deceived..!! I think its all a farse..

Damn u USCIS and Damn u congress who hold our cause hostage to those illegal immigrants.
Jeez, they are done. I am freaking dumbstruck for the sheer lack of substance in the discussion. Gosh, what a waste of tax-payers money!!

lskreddy
04-30-2008, 04:59 PM
I don't understand how removing the country limit may have resorce implications, as how I understand is, instead of adjucation an EB-2(2008) from Mali you'll be adjucating an EB-2(2004) from India, what difference it is for them ???

It certainly would at the consular posts, esp India and China. It may not impact how the applications are handled with in USCIS.

kshitijnt
04-30-2008, 04:59 PM
Aytes basically gave a message, if you legislate we will slow it down through administration.

He doesnt want to be bothered.

gc_on_demand
04-30-2008, 05:00 PM
I have the Real video recording for the last 23:45 minutes of the session...
Let me know if someone wants it... its about 6MB in size...

can you please upload somewhere so people like me who missed this show can see it. Lawer RON mentioned this morning that it will upset stomach. If want to be sick then see such a show.. I dont care if I become sick let me watch for fun.. A comedy show...

bala50
04-30-2008, 05:03 PM
Very true, I was close to throwing up when i heard certain comments , so I would suggest please dont eat and watch this at the same time.


can you please upload somewhere so people like me who missed this show can see it. Lawer RON mentioned this morning that it will upset stomach. If want to be sick then see such a show.. I dont care if I become sick let me watch for fun.. A comedy show...

sanjay
04-30-2008, 05:03 PM
They are done with the hearing?? WTF???? Have they got any fruitful information out of it? I feel so deceived..!! I think its all a farse..

Damn u USCIS and Damn u congress who hold our cause hostage to those illegal immigrants.

No fruitful results. As expected nothing happened. Actually, I would had got surprised if something had happened. plight of a legal immigrant from retrogated countries remains the same.

Back to work now.

rongha_2000
04-30-2008, 05:03 PM
They are bullsxxting themselves and everyone else. I am amazed..!! These committee members dont have a clue of what they are hearing about. Mixing GCs with H1-B. This issue is always a killer and more inportantly not even related to issue at hand..!!

I am losing hopes.. I might find solace in Alberta, I hope.

I don't understand how removing the country limit may have resorce implications, as how I understand is, instead of adjucation an EB-2(2008) from Mali you'll be adjucating an EB-2(2004) from India, what difference it is for them ???

conundrum
04-30-2008, 05:03 PM
hmmmm.. they ran out of questions. We should have supplied them with the questions and they would have had to stay up all night just to get through the question we can come up in 1 hr!!!!!

rongha_2000
04-30-2008, 05:05 PM
So what happens next?

conundrum
04-30-2008, 05:06 PM
In fact there should be a mandatory GreenCard 101 to cleared at least with a grade 'B' or better for anyone to be on the immigration committee :D

lskreddy
04-30-2008, 05:06 PM
Lofgren may have really good intentions to help several of us by introducing these 'sensible' administrative fixes but with meetings/discussions like these, they would get no where. Lofgren seems to be a very soft-spoken person and if she is the moderator (or even a mediator) in these discussions, there is just no way the train will stay on the track.

No wonder, the govtrack/thomas websites say, this is the first step in the process. They get discussed (or its lack of) and may get killed right away.

Besides just beating their own drum and saying ga-ga about their efficiency and sometimes throwing words like "we have opportunities" to improve, the discussion was a disaster.

On the other hand, it may be that most of them have already made their mind up as to what to do and this is just a charade. The discussion is a way to show their due diligence. The decision is obscure akin to the anything related to the process..

bala50
04-30-2008, 05:07 PM
Whatever question you ask -- they will blame it on the summer 2007 surge.

Summary - "Dont expect any improvemnt in USCIS processing for atleast the next two years " -- Mr. Aytes

hmmmm.. they ran out of questions. We should have supplied them with the questions and they would have had to stay up all night just to get through the question we can come up in 1 hr!!!!!

newbie2020
04-30-2008, 05:17 PM
Yes it is legal to upload it, Since it is a public domain file. (Judiciary committee/USCIS may also make it available to public for review)

sanju
04-30-2008, 05:17 PM
Do I have legal broadcasting rights of uploading this for public viewing?

Rather, is it legal to do this?

if not i can send it to your gmail...

This is a public meeting of lawmakers paid for by the taxpayers. If you like, you could upload the video on YouTube without hesitation. There is no copyright violation in posting the Judiciary subcommittee hearing video.

sunny1000
04-30-2008, 05:18 PM
Yahi hai Umrika ke USCIS ke officer ka Tashan!

and in English that means what?

sanju
04-30-2008, 05:25 PM
For all those who are upset with the House hearing, please take it easy. Please do not expect the hearing to discuss the details of each and every GC applicant's case. The objective of the hearing was to bring the folks involved in visa bulletins and GC processing, and make them all publically say and agree that Lofgren-Sensenbrenner bill will not flood the country with new people on the borders but at the same time since the federal agencies did not do their job properly, so it would make sense to recapture the visa numbers, and that's it.

I think that this objective was achieved pretty handsomely without much opposition. So everybody was on the same page, other than Ranking member King, whose job in such meetings is to oppose whatever the committee chair is proposing. Rep. King did not have much to say as Rep. Sensenbrenner has co-sponsored the bill. Noticeably, Rep. Gutierrez supported the bill, which means Hispanic Caucus may not oppose it either, hopefully. So it was all good.

singhsa3
04-30-2008, 05:33 PM
Apume, I have send u a private messgae
Do I have legal broadcasting rights of uploading this for public viewing?

Rather, is it legal to do this?

if not i can send it to your gmail...

singhsa3
04-30-2008, 05:34 PM
I hope u r right man...
For all those who are upset with the House hearing, please take it easy. Please do not expect the hearing to discuss the details of each and every GC applicant's case. The objective of the hearing was to bring the folks involved in visa bulletins and GC processing, and make them all publically say and agree that Lofgren-Sensenbrenner bill will not flood the country with new people on the borders but at the same time since the federal agencies did not do their job properly, so it would make sense to recapture the visa numbers, and that's it.

I think that this objective was achieved pretty handsomely without much opposition. So everybody was on the same page, other than Ranking member King, whose job in such meetings is to oppose whatever the committee chair is proposing. Rep. King did not have much to say as Rep. Sensenbrenner has co-sponsored the bill. Noticeably, Rep. Gutierrez supported the bill, which means Hispanic Caucus may not oppose it either, hopefully. So it was all good.

rongha_2000
04-30-2008, 05:36 PM
What you say is absolutely correct, but I dont see any discussion to that effect happened today. USCIS folks painted a picture of how USCIS is increasing its efficiency and how last years surge is causing problems. There was no conclusion or even an attempt made to say "Yes, if these numbers are captured, the process will be faster." On the contrary to the question of removing the country cap the USCIS captain said "It has a resource implication.."

Hope are dying away faster than the beach sand that slips away from your hand.

Only positive thing that happened today and this is my 100th post and I graduated to senior member. :D

For all those who are upset with the House hearing, please take it easy. Please do not expect the hearing to discuss the details of each and every GC applicant's case. The objective of the hearing was to bring the folks involved in visa bulletins and GC processing, and make them all publically say and agree that Lofgren-Sensenbrenner bill will not flood the country with new people on the borders but at the same time since the federal agencies did not do their job properly, so it would make sense to recapture the visa numbers, and that's it.

I think that this objective was achieved pretty handsomely without much opposition. So everybody was on the same page, other than Ranking member King, whose job in such meetings is to oppose whatever the committee chair is proposing. Rep. King did not have much to say as Rep. Sensenbrenner has co-sponsored the bill. Noticeably, Rep. Gutierrez supported the bill, which means Hispanic Caucus may not oppose it either, hopefully. So it was all good.

Mouns
04-30-2008, 05:47 PM
"To maximize visa number usage while working off its backlog, USCIS has adopted a production strategy that focuses on completing cases where visas are immediately available and on working cases to the point just short of approval (pre-adjudication) where visas will be available in the coming months. Pre-adjudication includes completing all required background checks and resolving all eligibility issues except for visa availability. This allows for immediate approval and visa number allocation as visas become available for pre-adjudicated cases."

does it mean that if your EB3 (I) , your I485- file is not going to be looked at for the next several years?

Yes I believe that's what it means... If you date is not current or not about to become current in the next months, then your case would be unlikely to be adjucated...

my2cents
04-30-2008, 05:51 PM
look here at
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=71f24d6c52c99110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCR D&vgnextchannel=68439c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1 RCRD


"Though we still have challenges to overcome, USCIS is currently showing improvements as a result of process improvements. As of April 25, 2008, USCIS had adjudicated over 65 percent of its FY 2008 target for employment-based visas. With five months to go in FY 2008, this is a strong start. We plan to continue implementing process improvements and new reporting mechanisms for managing these important applications. "

It means they have used 90K Visa out of 140-150K ..it means 50K visa left for next 5 month..not sure how much visa dates wlll be moved.

druminator
04-30-2008, 05:53 PM
am I the only one who noticed that they admitted that although FIFO is a nice idea, it's impractical (for them) and that it's NOT how they do it (but it's written all over their literature) ?

what I got from it is: they are overwhelmed, they have not real idea of what is going on in the offices and how much it cost for the agency and the country to push people out.

sunny1000
04-30-2008, 05:54 PM
This is the style of the officer of USCIS of America!

Some idiot gave me a red for asking for this translation...Whoever that is, please note that not all speak Hindi and I wanted to know what the poster was saying. So, go screw yourself if you don't like it.:mad::mad:

Mouns
04-30-2008, 05:57 PM
look here at
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=71f24d6c52c99110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCR D&vgnextchannel=68439c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1 RCRD


"Though we still have challenges to overcome, USCIS is currently showing improvements as a result of process improvements. As of April 25, 2008, USCIS had adjudicated over 65 percent of its FY 2008 target for employment-based visas. With five months to go in FY 2008, this is a strong start. We plan to continue implementing process improvements and new reporting mechanisms for managing these important applications. "

It means they have used 90K Visa out of 140-150K ..it means 50K visa left for next 5 month..not sure how much visa dates wlll be moved.

Let me help you here: the USCIS receive 2.5 million applications in july and august 2007 ('The surge'). For most of the ones who applied, I don't think we will see the dates move much in the near future... But I don't know so, keep the faith. Miracles are still possible

sumagiri
04-30-2008, 05:57 PM
look here at
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=71f24d6c52c99110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCR D&vgnextchannel=68439c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1 RCRD


"Though we still have challenges to overcome, USCIS is currently showing improvements as a result of process improvements. As of April 25, 2008, USCIS had adjudicated over 65 percent of its FY 2008 target for employment-based visas. With five months to go in FY 2008, this is a strong start. We plan to continue implementing process improvements and new reporting mechanisms for managing these important applications. "

It means they have used 90K Visa out of 140-150K ..it means 50K visa left for next 5 month..not sure how much visa dates wlll be moved.

For calculation purpose, I think they used up 140,000 * 85% * 65% = 77,000 (approx). Look at page 3 (last but one para) "According to DOS, applicants for adjustment of status currently account for 25% of annual family-based visa allocations and 85% of annual employment-based visa allocations."

pointlesswait
04-30-2008, 05:57 PM
when i said ..dont expect any improvement..i get a red dot..bummer!

this was just an eye wash...typical bureaucratic BS..

h1techSlave
04-30-2008, 05:58 PM
I have a feeling that some positive will come out of this meeting. It might appear that USCIS is not understanding our plight. But they are made aware of our situation by this meeting. They sure will respond to our complaints.
For all those who are upset with the House hearing, please take it easy. Please do not expect the hearing to discuss the details of each and every GC applicant's case. The objective of the hearing was to bring the folks involved in visa bulletins and GC processing, and make them all publically say and agree that Lofgren-Sensenbrenner bill will not flood the country with new people on the borders but at the same time since the federal agencies did not do their job properly, so it would make sense to recapture the visa numbers, and that's it.

I think that this objective was achieved pretty handsomely without much opposition. So everybody was on the same page, other than Ranking member King, whose job in such meetings is to oppose whatever the committee chair is proposing. Rep. King did not have much to say as Rep. Sensenbrenner has co-sponsored the bill. Noticeably, Rep. Gutierrez supported the bill, which means Hispanic Caucus may not oppose it either, hopefully. So it was all good.

sunny1000
04-30-2008, 06:01 PM
For all those who are upset with the House hearing, please take it easy. Please do not expect the hearing to discuss the details of each and every GC applicant's case. The objective of the hearing was to bring the folks involved in visa bulletins and GC processing, and make them all publically say and agree that Lofgren-Sensenbrenner bill will not flood the country with new people on the borders but at the same time since the federal agencies did not do their job properly, so it would make sense to recapture the visa numbers, and that's it.

I think that this objective was achieved pretty handsomely without much opposition. So everybody was on the same page, other than Ranking member King, whose job in such meetings is to oppose whatever the committee chair is proposing. Rep. King did not have much to say as Rep. Sensenbrenner has co-sponsored the bill. Noticeably, Rep. Gutierrez supported the bill, which means Hispanic Caucus may not oppose it either, hopefully. So it was all good.

Hope this comes true.

kshitijnt
04-30-2008, 06:09 PM
atleast there was bipartisan frustration on part of congressmen on both sides except for the king guy

ilikekilo
04-30-2008, 06:09 PM
Some idiot gave me a red for asking for this translation...Whoever that is, please note that not all speak Hindi and I wanted to know what the poster was saying. So, go screw yourself if you don't like it.:mad::mad:

how do u know if someone gives u red?

Desertfox
04-30-2008, 06:30 PM
I sincerely hope that your interpretation is correct!

For all those who are upset with the House hearing, please take it easy. Please do not expect the hearing to discuss the details of each and every GC applicant's case. The objective of the hearing was to bring the folks involved in visa bulletins and GC processing, and make them all publically say and agree that Lofgren-Sensenbrenner bill will not flood the country with new people on the borders but at the same time since the federal agencies did not do their job properly, so it would make sense to recapture the visa numbers, and that's it.

I think that this objective was achieved pretty handsomely without much opposition. So everybody was on the same page, other than Ranking member King, whose job in such meetings is to oppose whatever the committee chair is proposing. Rep. King did not have much to say as Rep. Sensenbrenner has co-sponsored the bill. Noticeably, Rep. Gutierrez supported the bill, which means Hispanic Caucus may not oppose it either, hopefully. So it was all good.

sunny1000
04-30-2008, 06:32 PM
how do u know if someone gives u red?

If you click on the userCP on the top left side on the forum page, you can see a bunch of reviews for your posts, if you have any (be it red or green dots with or without description). But, you won't know from who you received it though.

docp
04-30-2008, 06:33 PM
Hi , is there any place where the transcript can be seen. I can not access the video..

sunny1000
04-30-2008, 06:35 PM
atleast there was bipartisan frustration on part of congressmen on both sides except for the king guy

Yeah, King is like that crazy Tancredo...

apahilaj
04-30-2008, 07:54 PM
So, where is the bill going next? Sorry guys, haven't heard the recording but just going by the thread it seems like this hearing didn't go as expected...

Is the bill going to die prematurely or is it going any where?

sunny1000
04-30-2008, 08:09 PM
Sorry, I didn't do that...

That's ok and thanks to everyone who gave me greens :)

winding
04-30-2008, 08:12 PM
http://judiciary.house.gov/media/pdfs/USCIS080430.pdf

piyu7444
04-30-2008, 08:30 PM
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piyu7444
04-30-2008, 08:31 PM
If you click on the userCP on the top left side on the forum page, you can see a bunch of reviews for your posts, if you have any (be it red or green dots with or without description). But, you won't know from who you received it though.

so how can you give these dot to other people ?

sunny1000
04-30-2008, 09:12 PM
so how can you give these dot to other people ?

You need to click on that post's "balance" symbol on the right side of the post (next to the post #). Once you do that, it will ask you if you "approve" or "disapprove" the post. Click on one of those and write your comments.

claudia255
04-30-2008, 11:42 PM
I emailed the partial recording to all those who PMed me for it ...
Enjoy the Comedy Central channel....

Would it possible to have the link for the video please?
Thanks.

conchshell
05-01-2008, 10:17 AM
So according to Mr. aytes, everything is fine, and house need not worry about bringing any reforms. This is a typical SYB response from a career USCIS beuorocrate.

mirage
05-01-2008, 10:31 AM
I liked the way somebody in the committee pointed out that a Foreigner interacts with only one agency that is the USCIS and the service we provide them is shameful.

h1techSlave
05-01-2008, 10:48 AM
I have some black dots in my Control Panel? What is the meaning of a black dot?

And how does one give black dot to some one? When I try to add reputation to a post, I can only see I approve or I disapprove options. I would imagine I approve=green and I disapprove=red. Where does a black dot fit into this scheme?
how do u know if someone gives u red?

nogc_noproblem
05-01-2008, 11:24 AM
Somebody tried to approve or disapprove your message but he/she already got exhausted. They might be in spraying spree earlier in giving Red and Green dots to others and currently don’t have enough ‘credit’ to approve or disapprove other’s message.

I have some black dots in my Control Panel? What is the meaning of a black dot?

And how does one give black dot to some one? When I try to add reputation to a post, I can only see I approve or I disapprove options. I would imagine I approve=green and I disapprove=red. Where does a black dot fit into this scheme?

apahilaj
05-01-2008, 11:28 AM
Any takers?

So, where is the bill going next? Sorry guys, haven't heard the recording but just going by the thread it seems like this hearing didn't go as expected...

Is the bill going to die prematurely or is it going any where?

Lollerskater
05-01-2008, 02:58 PM
For all those who are upset with the House hearing, please take it easy. Please do not expect the hearing to discuss the details of each and every GC applicant's case. The objective of the hearing was to bring the folks involved in visa bulletins and GC processing, and make them all publically say and agree that Lofgren-Sensenbrenner bill will not flood the country with new people on the borders but at the same time since the federal agencies did not do their job properly, so it would make sense to recapture the visa numbers, and that's it.

I think that this objective was achieved pretty handsomely without much opposition. So everybody was on the same page, other than Ranking member King, whose job in such meetings is to oppose whatever the committee chair is proposing. Rep. King did not have much to say as Rep. Sensenbrenner has co-sponsored the bill. Noticeably, Rep. Gutierrez supported the bill, which means Hispanic Caucus may not oppose it either, hopefully. So it was all good.

The meeting really saddens me though. That is the extent of anyone's power to get USCIS moving? Just hinting to King that the congress is displeased?

I mean I'm pretty sure King is gonna just shrug it off. Listen to how deluded the man sounds. He thinks USCIS is doing a great job, what with all that bragging about efficiency. Obviously he doesn't realize he's standing there, in that meeting. because the efficiency he's bragging about is clearly NOT ENOUGH. In fact, it's pretty much shitty.

To make things worse, those people in there are controlling the fates of thousands of waiting applicants. And they don't even seem to know the difference btw H1 and 485.

I don't want to just go on feeding this negative train of thought. I just wish something more effective can be done. Isn't there a better solution?

Gravitation
05-01-2008, 03:12 PM
I have some black dots in my Control Panel? What is the meaning of a black dot?

And how does one give black dot to some one? When I try to add reputation to a post, I can only see I approve or I disapprove options. I would imagine I approve=green and I disapprove=red. Where does a black dot fit into this scheme?

The gray dots come when you get either approval/disapproval from somebody who has:
less than 30 posts.
overall negative reputationgray dots have no affect on your reputation. This is to prevent new or disreputes from irresponsibly affecting others' reputations.

GCwaitforever
05-01-2008, 03:21 PM
We pay tons of fees to USCIS and wait for more than six years for GC and yet some shitty senator who does not know anything about immigration comes and rattles on stage.

The hearing should have started with the Ombudsman reports as a basis. Then the hearing should have asked USCIS for solid data like -

How many applicants from year 2001-2007 are pending? In what year, category, country? (to show the trends of backlogs)

How much percentage of applications were processed on annual basis compared to the limit? What is the inflow and the outflow?

What are the customer satisfaction levels for USCIS?

jonty_11
05-01-2008, 03:31 PM
The meeting really saddens me though. That is the extent of anyone's power to get USCIS moving? Just hinting to King that the congress is displeased?

I mean I'm pretty sure King is gonna just shrug it off. Listen to how deluded the man sounds. He thinks USCIS is doing a great job, what with all that bragging about efficiency. Obviously he doesn't realize he's standing there, in that meeting. because the efficiency he's bragging about is clearly NOT ENOUGH. In fact, it's pretty much shitty.

To make things worse, those people in there are controlling the fates of thousands of waiting applicants. And they don't even seem to know the difference btw H1 and 485.

I don't want to just go on feeding this negative train of thought. I just wish something more effective can be done. Isn't there a better solution?
IV is our best chance...Lets hope the bills Iv is pushing get some floor time. I will again say that as difficult and impossible as it may sound (given election yr n'all) IV is the only entity that we can pin our hopes on.

vinabath
05-01-2008, 03:33 PM
We pay tons of fees to USCIS

The fee we pay is very less compare to what we pay to Attorneys. And USCIS cannot drastically increase fees. And we are stuck. That is the reality.

I think we should cut a check of same amount what we pay to attorneys.

h1techSlave
05-01-2008, 03:35 PM
Cool
The gray dots come when you get either approval/disapproval from somebody who has:
less than 30 posts.
overall negative reputationgray dots have no affect on your reputation. This is to prevent new or disreputes from irresponsibly affecting others' reputations.

GCwaitforever
05-01-2008, 03:49 PM
The fee we pay is very less compare to what we pay to Attorneys. And USCIS cannot drastically increase fees. And we are stuck. That is the reality.

I think we should cut a check of same amount what we pay to attorneys.

It is not the problem of money. If they privatize the USCIS operations, I will show how to get it done much quickly, correctly, with lot of customer interaction.

USCIS wants you to believe what they tell you is the reality. It is not. They cover up their inefficiency with lies. There is way too much bereaucracy. Information does not trickle down from top to the bottom layers quickly, and top layer does not know what kind of operations are happening at bottom layer.

At best, we are feeding their pension plans and cushy retirement benefits.

vine93
05-01-2008, 04:33 PM
1. Another reply was If we use All permitted unsed visa, Where would we be in terms of EB visa. His response was Probably china/India Second category will be clear.

2. According to Him 65% of visa has been used for this year. less amount of visa remain now for this year. We shouldn't expect miracle for this year at least.

3. Let Join hands together and follow the HSMP people did in UK.

mariner5555
05-01-2008, 04:45 PM
1. Another reply was If we use All permitted unsed visa, Where would we be in terms of EB visa. His response was Probably china/India Second category will be clear.

2. According to Him 65% of visa has been used for this year. less amount of visa remain now for this year. We shouldn't expect miracle for this year at least.

3. Let Join hands together and follow the HSMP people did in UK.
did he say anything about EB3 ? if u know ..can u share ?

vine93
05-01-2008, 05:46 PM
No, he wasn't too specific.

Most of the answers were like We did some mistakes, we are taking new measures, new database , liking state Deptt to USCIS, making progress.

Lets see when that will show results.

newbie2020
05-02-2008, 08:22 AM
I watched the video and One of the things I noticed was the difficulty the State dept is facing to keep the numbers within limitation so they tend to achieve 90%-95% because the legislative limitation doesn't allow them to go beyond even by few numbers

When i compare the same situation with that of an IPO of a company. Typically a company coming out with an IPO will have certain number of shares authorized to sell, In addition to that they also reserve certain small number in addition to these to accommodate any excess shares issued by the underwriters.

Why don't we have some numbers similar to that. This would make the life of the State dept much easier.

Any thoughts

senk1s
05-02-2008, 10:08 AM
thats all the more reason to recapture visa numbers ... forever.
If they hit 90-95% of the target for the current year - the following year the exact number will be known - and that can be allotted

newbie2020
05-02-2008, 12:00 PM
Do we also need to contact the Senate Judiciary committee for any of these bills yet


http://judiciary.senate.gov/subcommittees/110/immigration110.cfm

WeldonSprings
05-02-2008, 02:52 PM
One interesting thing from the anti-immigrant community represented by Steve King in this testimony was when he asked the Visa Division Chief, that -How many immigrants have we admitted to the United States between 1992-2006 who were refugees and asylees, that were not counted in the annual numerical limit? So, he basically wants to overwrite the Visa Recapture bill, by saying that since we admitted 'refugees and asylees' which were outside the limit, then there is no need to recapture unused visas, since those unused numbers have already been offset by refugees and asylees.



1. Another reply was If we use All permitted unsed visa, Where would we be in terms of EB visa. His response was Probably china/India Second category will be clear.

2. According to Him 65% of visa has been used for this year. less amount of visa remain now for this year. We shouldn't expect miracle for this year at least.

3. Let Join hands together and follow the HSMP people did in UK.

nemadeni
05-02-2008, 03:32 PM
I don't see Visas Recapture bill going any where.

It seems USCIS wants to potray that they are doing great job by doing various Process improvements. USCIS indirectly wants to say that eventually USCIS process will be improved to the extent that there will be no Visas wasted.

I think this was the most straight forward and simple bill. Other bills like removing the country limit are more challenging.So I don't see anything happening from immigration point unless democrats take over both senate and House in late 2008.

Hope for any legislative changes only in 2009 and beyond and not in 2008.

snhn
05-02-2008, 03:42 PM
I read here that King said that everyon on EAD and AP is getting a free ride even thought here green card might get rejected. What does he mean by that. I tahught every process goes thorugha security check. such as I 140, H1b, AP and even EAD.

newbie2020
05-02-2008, 03:45 PM
I don't see Visas Recapture bill going any where.

It seems USCIS wants to potray that they are doing great job by doing various Process improvements. USCIS indirectly wants to say that eventually USCIS process will be improved to the extent that there will be no Visas wasted.

I think this was the most straight forward and simple bill. Other bills like removing the country limit are more challenging.So I don't see anything happening from immigration point unless democrats take over both senate and House in late 2008.

Hope for any legislative changes only in 2009 and beyond and not in 2008.


It really appeared to me that by the way lofgren asked the questions, and her comments (So recapturing is first step, She mentions "i will let the co-author know that you like the bill to uscis/state dept officials" etc. See the video again if u missed it out) makes me think they will go ahead and introduce in house for voting. What happens in the house is upto your speculation. Lets cross the fingers and wait for updates.

by the way they have 5 business days to ask any questions or clarifications which will end on Wednesday, So until then lets sit tight.

mariner5555
05-02-2008, 03:47 PM
I don't see Visas Recapture bill going any where.

It seems USCIS wants to potray that they are doing great job by doing various Process improvements. USCIS indirectly wants to say that eventually USCIS process will be improved to the extent that there will be no Visas wasted.

I think this was the most straight forward and simple bill. Other bills like removing the country limit are more challenging.So I don't see anything happening from immigration point unless democrats take over both senate and House in late 2008.

Hope for any legislative changes only in 2009 and beyond and not in 2008.
honestly even if democrats come in 2009 ..nothing will ever happen. as I mentioned in one of the posts .. unless they start educating people about the aging population and the need for immigration, need for immigration to keep economy growing ..in terms of young people needed to settle here so that economy gets young workers and in turn the workers end up buying houses, cars etc ..nothing will happen. politicians don't need talent ..they need money from lobbyists ..businesses need talent but they are getting from comp - comp visas and outsourcing. on top of it we have super stupid people like doggs who are making matters worse.

WeldonSprings
05-02-2008, 04:27 PM
That comment was made for Family Visas, since everyone who applies on Family Visa, might not eventually get it. I read here that King said that everyon on EAD and AP is getting a free ride even thought here green card might get rejected. What does he mean by that. I tahught every process goes thorugha security check. such as I 140, H1b, AP and even EAD.

WeldonSprings
05-02-2008, 05:15 PM
I know everyone has looked at the Visa Bulletin. Here is a quote from it-

2. Section 201 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) sets an annual minimum family-sponsored preference limit of 226,000. The worldwide level for annual employment-based preference immigrants is at least 140,000. Section 202 prescribes that the per-country limit for preference immigrants is set at 7% of the total annual family-sponsored and employment-based preference limits, i.e., 25,620. The dependent area limit is set at 2%, or 7,320.

So, don't you guys think that there more than 140,000 visas can be given away, if need me as it is this moment. So, I don't understand the retrogression???


It really appeared to me that by the way lofgren asked the questions, and her comments (So recapturing is first step, She mentions "i will let the co-author know that you like the bill to uscis/state dept officials" etc. See the video again if u missed it out) makes me think they will go ahead and introduce in house for voting. What happens in the house is upto your speculation. Lets cross the fingers and wait for updates.

by the way they have 5 business days to ask any questions or clarifications which will end on Wednesday, So until then lets sit tight.

WeldonSprings
05-02-2008, 05:17 PM
Just responding to my quote- This question was also raised by Honorable House Democrat from Illinois Mr. Guterriez.I know everyone has looked at the Visa Bulletin. Here is a quote from it-

2. Section 201 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) sets an annual minimum family-sponsored preference limit of 226,000. The worldwide level for annual employment-based preference immigrants is at least 140,000. Section 202 prescribes that the per-country limit for preference immigrants is set at 7% of the total annual family-sponsored and employment-based preference limits, i.e., 25,620. The dependent area limit is set at 2%, or 7,320.

So, don't you guys think that there more than 140,000 visas can be given away, if need me as it is this moment. So, I don't understand the retrogression???

maverick_joe
05-02-2008, 05:23 PM
what king meant was that anyone could apply for 485 and get an EAD which has no work restrictions as a H1 and enjoy the same benifits someone with a GC holds..down the line(after years of wait) even if the 485 gets rejected he/she has njoyed all the privilages or work/travel by getting his/her AP/EAD...

well damn you king, issue GCs faster then!

I read here that King said that everyon on EAD and AP is getting a free ride even thought here green card might get rejected. What does he mean by that. I tahught every process goes thorugha security check. such as I 140, H1b, AP and even EAD.

amsgc
05-02-2008, 10:56 PM
It was obvious that King was not in favor of the recapture. The idea of someone applying to adjust status only to enjoy the benefits of EAD/AP is impractical and simply rediculous. In order to file I-485 you need an approved or a pending immigrant petition, and if you have either of the two, then you have a legitimate case that deserves to be adjudicated. Aytes should have clarified this.

Not all congressmen/women are well versed with the details of immigration law, and Mr. King was trying to take advantage of this to influence the outcome of the testimony. He tried again with the new 180 day name check rule, asking Mr. Aytes if the USCIS had ever circumvented security checks to give out green cards. Hopefully, the powers to be will see through these cheap attempts and do the right thing.

I thought the testimony went well:
- It was agreed that visa recapture is a good thing because it will move the cut off dates for India/China in EB by several years (someone from the DOS actaully made this remark during the testimony)
- It was agreed that removal of country cap will help make visa bulletin cut off predictions easier (although the DOS/USCIS may have to make some changes in their process - which was ok)
The discussion is open for 5 legislative days, if someone choses to comment etc. It will be interesting to see what transpires in the next couple of weeks.
- Regarding FB, the senator for Illinois did well to dispel the myth that all kinds of people from all over the world are coming to this country in huge numbers. The fact is most of the new immigrants are immediate family members of american citizens.

what king meant was that anyone could apply for 485 and get an EAD which has no work restrictions as a H1 and enjoy the same benifits someone with a GC holds..down the line(after years of wait) even if the 485 gets rejected he/she has njoyed all the privilages or work/travel by getting his/her AP/EAD...

well damn you king, issue GCs faster then!

americandesi
05-03-2008, 12:10 AM
what king meant was that anyone could apply for 485 and get an EAD which has no work restrictions as a H1 and enjoy the same benifits someone with a GC holds..down the line(after years of wait) even if the 485 gets rejected he/she has njoyed all the privilages or work/travel by getting his/her AP/EAD...

well damn you king, issue GCs faster then!

King's statement doesn't make any sense. If you equate the same logic to GC holders, then they had enjoyed all the privileges of work/travel by getting his/her GC, even if their naturalization gets rejected down the line.