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reddymjm
06-10-2008, 07:30 AM
cat India ROW
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E3 Unavailable Unavailable
E2 1 April 2004 Current
source: http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/cut_off_dates.html

gcsim
06-10-2008, 08:02 AM
yeah just checked....EB3 'U' and EB2 1 April 2004 :-( more waiting ......nothing like last July.God help us.

Beta_mle
06-10-2008, 08:19 AM
The dates had approached within two months of my priority date then BAM! Unavailable. What a disappointment. This system is just so arbitrary and capricious. Makes no sense. But then maybe it does, I'm still here, working.

Beta_mle
06-10-2008, 08:46 AM
This is not a free market for labour. This is no kind of freedom, let's call it what it is, it is indentured servitude.

reddymjm
06-10-2008, 09:08 AM
I hope in the visa statistics for the year 2008 they don't come up with a report saying that 20,000 visas were lost as they were unused :D.

it will be NO wonder even if you see that..

rb_248
06-10-2008, 09:13 AM
Atleast EB2 is not moving back. I hope EB2 moves forward begining this October.

EB3 guys - Hope it dosen't nove back from where it was last month come October for you all.

drirshad
06-10-2008, 09:19 AM
I was watching one of these stand up comedy:

The guy says, why do the diamond companies come out with logos like

Diamonds are forever, just say Diamonds - that will shut her up.

The EB-GC is like the diamond for us buddies, it will sure shut us up.

We already have lost a decade of our lives in this grinding be it another, ain't got anything better to do.

alterego
06-10-2008, 09:27 AM
This is really dissapointing. Eb2 India has not moved at all. EB3 now unavailable. EB3 ROW now unavailable.

When the reach the next fiscal year, things will be worse than now for EB India due to the loss of spillover.

The need for visa recapture is now more than ever.

geevikram
06-10-2008, 09:50 AM
IF you've not called already, the visa bulletin is probably a very good reason for you to call :

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19387

-V

gc_on_demand
06-10-2008, 10:06 AM
Folks

July bulletin is OUT and NO more significant movement. Please call Lawmakers ASAP. Unless we take action USCIS is not going to do anything. Situation can be worse once we head towards election season. Still we have 1-2 months to get things done or we will be waiting for years to get green card OR EAD ( For some folks ).

It is just 10-15 minutes need to spend to call. Let them know WHO WE ARE AND WHAT ARE OUR ISSUES .

Please I request all of you to call , if you already call then ask your friends and family members to call.

Now its time to act. If we dont take action CHC will not allow to move ahead our 3 bills.

CALL NOW .... and Spread this message to everyone.

jetflyer
06-10-2008, 10:20 AM
There is a chance of EB1 & EB2 ROW spillover :D

US bulletin is out too:

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4252.html

EMPLOYMENT SECOND PREFERENCE VISA AVAILABILITY

There have been questions raised regarding the way numbers have been provided to the China and India in the Employment Second preference categories beginning in April. Section 202(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act states that if total demand for visas in an Employment preference category is insufficient to use all available visa numbers in that category in a calendar quarter, then the unused numbers may be made available without regard to the annual per-country limit. (For example: If the second preference annual limit were 40,000, number use by “All Other Countries” were estimated to be only 25,000, and the China/India combined number use based on their per-country limits were 6,000, then there would be 9,000 numbers unused. Those 9,000 numbers could then be made available to China and India applicants without regard to their per-country limits.)

Based on the informaiton available, it was been determined that the demand from “All Other Countries” for Second preference numbers, plus the amount of numbers available under China and India Second preference per-country limit, would be insufficient to utilize all available numbers under the annual limit for this category. Therefore, pursuant to Section 202(a)(5) of the Act, the unused numbers have been made available to China and India Second preference applicants. Since Section 203(e)(1) of the Act requires that such unused numbers be made available strictly in priority date order, the China and India applicants have been subject to the identical cut-off date. As there are more Employment Second preference applicants from India and the Indian applicants may have earlier priority dates, it is likely that Indian applicants will receive a larger portion of the available numbers than Chinese applicants.

It should be noted that the Employment Second preference category is "Current" for all countries except China and India. If at any point it appears that demand from “All Other Countries” would utilize all available numbers, then an adjustment would be made to the China/India cut-off date. Therefore, providing the unused numbers to China and India in no way disadvantages applicants from any other country, and helps to insure that the worldwide annual limit can be reached.

EMPLOYMENT THIRD PREFERENCE VISA AVAILABILITY

Demand for numbers, primarily by USCIS for adjustment of status cases, will bring the entire Employment Third preference category to the annual numerical limit by the end of June. As a result, this category will become “unavailable” beginning in July and will remain so for the remainder of FY-2008. Such action will only be temporary, however, and Employment Third preference availability will return to the cut-off dates established for June in October, the first month of the new fiscal year.

Winner
06-10-2008, 10:32 AM
IF you've not called already, the visa bulletin is probably a very good reason for you to call :

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19387

-V
Predicting and hoping that things will get better is not going to help. Lets take action. Please call the lawmakers if you have not done it already.

chanduv23
06-10-2008, 10:35 AM
Come on folks, lets burn those phone lines.


Try try try till you succeed

gc_on_demand
06-10-2008, 10:47 AM
Please call .. Nothing is going to happen unless we see those 3 EB bills approved..

wandmaker
06-10-2008, 10:47 AM
Let us focus our energy now in action items as we have the ACTUAL DATES as B&W.

coolvigo
06-10-2008, 10:57 AM
Guys,
How about having another session of flowers campaign? Got to practice gandhigiri continuously. Should we select a date for that? I will say 23rd June'08? We need to draw media attention!!!

gc_on_demand
06-10-2008, 11:00 AM
There is a chance of EB1 & EB2 ROW spillover :D

US bulletin is out too:

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4252.html

EMPLOYMENT SECOND PREFERENCE VISA AVAILABILITY

There have been questions raised regarding the way numbers have been provided to the China and India in the Employment Second preference categories beginning in April. Section 202(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act states that if total demand for visas in an Employment preference category is insufficient to use all available visa numbers in that category in a calendar quarter, then the unused numbers may be made available without regard to the annual per-country limit. (For example: If the second preference annual limit were 40,000, number use by “All Other Countries” were estimated to be only 25,000, and the China/India combined number use based on their per-country limits were 6,000, then there would be 9,000 numbers unused. Those 9,000 numbers could then be made available to China and India applicants without regard to their per-country limits.)

Based on the informaiton available, it was been determined that the demand from “All Other Countries” for Second preference numbers, plus the amount of numbers available under China and India Second preference per-country limit, would be insufficient to utilize all available numbers under the annual limit for this category. Therefore, pursuant to Section 202(a)(5) of the Act, the unused numbers have been made available to China and India Second preference applicants. Since Section 203(e)(1) of the Act requires that such unused numbers be made available strictly in priority date order, the China and India applicants have been subject to the identical cut-off date. As there are more Employment Second preference applicants from India and the Indian applicants may have earlier priority dates, it is likely that Indian applicants will receive a larger portion of the available numbers than Chinese applicants.

It should be noted that the Employment Second preference category is "Current" for all countries except China and India. If at any point it appears that demand from “All Other Countries” would utilize all available numbers, then an adjustment would be made to the China/India cut-off date. Therefore, providing the unused numbers to China and India in no way disadvantages applicants from any other country, and helps to insure that the worldwide annual limit can be reached.

EMPLOYMENT THIRD PREFERENCE VISA AVAILABILITY

Demand for numbers, primarily by USCIS for adjustment of status cases, will bring the entire Employment Third preference category to the annual numerical limit by the end of June. As a result, this category will become “unavailable” beginning in July and will remain so for the remainder of FY-2008. Such action will only be temporary, however, and Employment Third preference availability will return to the cut-off dates established for June in October, the first month of the new fiscal year.



Dont dream .. Out of 140k it can be max 10-20k unused nos. Will it be useful for half million applications ???

chanduv23
06-10-2008, 11:09 AM
Guys,
How about having another session of flowers campaign? Got to practice gandhigiri continuously. Should we select a date for that? I will say 23rd June'08? We need to draw media attention!!!

Phone calls "is the need of the hour" - please call the CHC members urging them to support Congresswoman Lofgren's bills.

Making phone calls is the best form of Gandhigiri at this moment

Aah_GC
06-10-2008, 11:09 AM
My suggestion - Do your best to support IV - contribute and make those calls. Rest: Leave it to the man above - and move on with your priorities.

kaisersose
06-10-2008, 11:26 AM
To all RonGcher fans:

Where is your RonGcher now?
He predicted a heavy forward movement of dates in the last quarter.

You thought he knows more and has inside information? :)

Now you know these lawyers are out there just to market themselves and get more clients.....


He was going by the logic that apparently DOS was releasing visa numbers on a quarterly basis. It should be clear now that it is not true. DOS is no longer releasing visa numbers on a quarterly basis.

Ron Gotcher does not have a crystal ball. He was predicting based on past statistics. It was subject to the condition that DOS had not changed its model.

eb3_nepa
06-10-2008, 11:28 AM
Phone calls "is the need of the hour" - please call the CHC members urging them to support Congresswoman Lofgren's bills.

Making phone calls is the best form of Gandhigiri at this moment

Why not do a flower campaign or the like, that we did last time? Clearly that worked and the phone campaign doesnt "have the appearance" of working. I am not saying it is not working, it just isint having the same media impact as last time. It doesnt have to be the flower campaign again, heck we can do a fruit basket deal this time.

Our message should be "Please stop punishing people that came here the right way, in order to help the people that did not". We are not against undocumented workers getting amnesty, we just dont want their issues to hold up everyone else's.

willwin
06-10-2008, 11:30 AM
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4252.html



Much awaited bulletin which says no numbers for EB3 and that come Oct 2008 Eb3 I will go to Nov 2001 again. What a news!!!

enjoy!!!

"E. EMPLOYMENT SECOND PREFERENCE VISA AVAILABILITY

There have been questions raised regarding the way numbers have been provided to the China and India in the Employment Second preference categories beginning in April. Section 202(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act states that if total demand for visas in an Employment preference category is insufficient to use all available visa numbers in that category in a calendar quarter, then the unused numbers may be made available without regard to the annual per-country limit. (For example: If the second preference annual limit were 40,000, number use by “All Other Countries” were estimated to be only 25,000, and the China/India combined number use based on their per-country limits were 6,000, then there would be 9,000 numbers unused. Those 9,000 numbers could then be made available to China and India applicants without regard to their per-country limits.)

Based on the informaiton available, it was been determined that the demand from “All Other Countries” for Second preference numbers, plus the amount of numbers available under China and India Second preference per-country limit, would be insufficient to utilize all available numbers under the annual limit for this category. Therefore, pursuant to Section 202(a)(5) of the Act, the unused numbers have been made available to China and India Second preference applicants. Since Section 203(e)(1) of the Act requires that such unused numbers be made available strictly in priority date order, the China and India applicants have been subject to the identical cut-off date. As there are more Employment Second preference applicants from India and the Indian applicants may have earlier priority dates, it is likely that Indian applicants will receive a larger portion of the available numbers than Chinese applicants.

It should be noted that the Employment Second preference category is "Current" for all countries except China and India. If at any point it appears that demand from “All Other Countries” would utilize all available numbers, then an adjustment would be made to the China/India cut-off date. Therefore, providing the unused numbers to China and India in no way disadvantages applicants from any other country, and helps to insure that the worldwide annual limit can be reached.

F. EMPLOYMENT THIRD PREFERENCE VISA AVAILABILITY

Demand for numbers, primarily by USCIS for adjustment of status cases, will bring the entire Employment Third preference category to the annual numerical limit by the end of June. As a result, this category will become “unavailable” beginning in July and will remain so for the remainder of FY-2008. Such action will only be temporary, however, and Employment Third preference availability will return to the cut-off dates established for June in October, the first month of the new fiscal year."

chanduv23
06-10-2008, 11:48 AM
Why not do a flower campaign or the like, that we did last time? Clearly that worked and the phone campaign doesnt "have the appearance" of working. I am not saying it is not working, it just isint having the same media impact as last time. It doesnt have to be the flower campaign again, heck we can do a fruit basket deal this time.

Our message should be "Please stop punishing people that came here the right way, in order to help the people that did not". We are not against undocumented workers getting amnesty, we just dont want their issues to hold up everyone else's.

There are reasons we MUST NOT do anything like that. Lobbying works on the long run. These days lawmmakers are more informed about the situation and it is just a matter of time.

Do not lose hope - we will succeed.

Please convince your friends and coworkers to make phone calls and visits to law makers offices.

vdlrao
06-10-2008, 11:56 AM
The July 2008 Visa Bulletin has said Exactly the same, but in different words, what I have been saying for the past few months about the EB2-India and EB3-India Movements.

EB2 India will move very fast till 01 JAN 06 as because based on June 2007 bulletin, just before the july fiasco,( http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3236.html ) the PD for China is 01 JAN 06. That means in EB2 Category except India and China every other country is current. So till India reaches 01 JAN 06 PD in EB2, all the spill overs will be moved to EB2 India,because the spill overs will be alloted based on the priority of old PD(Priority Date). By the time India EB2 reaches 01 JAN 06, China PD in EB2 will move further from 01 JAN 06 by using its 7% quota. So Inidia PD for EB2 again moves fast till that changed China PD using the spill overs. After that India and China will share the spill overs based on the PD priority. All this happens if and only if the USCIS works effectively and uses all the available visa numbers for the present fiscal year. My prediction for EB2 India PD is it touch 2005 /even cross few months in 2005 by the end of this year if USCIS works effectively.


For all Eb3s along with EB2s with PD after April 2005, the movement in the coming visa bulletins wont be much encoraging unless the new Obama government does something significant about employent based category or immigrationvoice does a fruitful lobbying. The doings of something by obama government to employment based category is not in our hands. The only thing we could do is to help IV and help ourrselves by contributing to it to reach its financial target for better lobbying. Or else wait for the Visa Bulletin every month with great hopes, sorry dreams, for your PD to become current, and satisfy with your EADs for years ahead.

conchshell
06-10-2008, 11:57 AM
So July visa bulletin is out ... we will see comments with frustation and appeals to fight for the cause ... however, this is a prediction thread, so my prediction is that by next week, all affected people will accept the reality and will move on with their life waiting for August visa bulletin or for the next year quota. My purpose is not to offend anyone, but this is just the observation we all had in the past, so why this time around its going to be any different?

Now as far as those three bills are concerned ... at times I feel that they are just pacifiers to amuse the crying babies. We all can see that immigration related bill (fashion models, regional investors etc) are getting passed, but not the one's that we really want. Therefore hearings in the sub-committie and than in full hearings will go on till August, and afterwards presidential election will be the focus ... immigration reforms will take a back seat. New administration in 2009 will have more immediate priorities to fix the economy, war, etc. Immigration will eventually appear on the radar, but only after some time.

So only movement I can see in near future is EB3 to EB2 conversion. That's OK too. because everyone has a right to straddle the lanes. Out of that stampede, some will get approved, some will get rejected, and will create more mess in the system. But that's inevitable ... and if a mass transition happens, USCIS will have no other option to bring in yet another rule to make their life easy, we all can guess ... what that may be ... I think this is one of the reasons why USCIS does not allow 140 premium processing anymore. Now those who are hopefull for EB2, my message is that USCIS can very easily justify visa wastage this year because of the extra load they got from Citizenship applications. Personally, I do not have much hope of USCIS working efficiently.

I am not trying to spread pessimism, but just giving my predictions. We all need to think hard, as to how can we come out of this mess. Flower campaign worked once, but doesn't mean that its gonna be effective again and again.

snhn
06-10-2008, 12:08 PM
I was hoping against all odds that this was not going to be true when they announced it last month. The iron is that I have been current for the last 2 months now. But when one thing reaches the goal, the other slows down. The damn TSC is was processing June applications while mine is early August. I am hoping that they allocated my file so that when they reach August date, visa would be available for me.

I have EAD and AP and alos have h1 until 2010. in 2010, I would have completed 11 years on H1b visa. My company maybe doing layoffs in the next few months, and I was hoping to get my GC by then. I dont wish to to use EAD because I have a DWI and its safe to stay on H1 for that.

how are the oppourtunities out there for Quality Aussrance/ Analysts.

muni_k
06-10-2008, 12:10 PM
snhn
what is a DWI?thanks.

gc_on_demand
06-10-2008, 12:16 PM
Please call CHC members ASAP.. takes only 10 minutes to call..

indianindian2006
06-10-2008, 12:23 PM
snhn
what is a DWI?thanks.

Driving While Intoxicated

vdlrao
06-10-2008, 12:23 PM
DUI(Drive Under Influence)

pappu
06-10-2008, 12:28 PM
snhn
what is a DWI?thanks.

Drunk With ImmigrationVoice. :D

NKR
06-10-2008, 12:29 PM
Drunk With ImmigrationVoice. :D

Good one :)

Chiwere
06-10-2008, 12:32 PM
Drunk while Intoxicated :D

snhn
06-10-2008, 12:32 PM
Drunk With ImmigrationVoice. :D

good to see that we still can laugh in such uncertain times as far as immigration is concerned. made me laugh... surprise seeing this funny comment coming from Pappu.... good one...

bskrishna
06-10-2008, 12:36 PM
So July visa bulletin is out ... we will see comments with frustation and appeals to fight for the cause ... however, this is a prediction thread, so my prediction is that by next week, all affected people will accept the reality and will move on with their life waiting for August visa bulletin or for the next year quota. My purpose is not to offend anyone, but this is just the observation we all had in the past, so why this time around its going to be any different?

Now as far as those three bills are concerned ... at times I feel that they are just pacifiers to amuse the crying babies. We all can see that immigration related bill (fashion models, regional investors etc) are getting passed, but not the one's that we really want. Therefore hearings in the sub-committie and than in full hearings will go on till August, and afterwards presidential election will be the focus ... immigration reforms will take a back seat. New administration in 2009 will have more immediate priorities to fix the economy, war, etc. Immigration will eventually appear on the radar, but only after some time.

So only movement I can see in near future is EB3 to EB2 conversion. That's OK too. because everyone has a right to straddle the lanes. Out of that stampede, some will get approved, some will get rejected, and will create more mess in the system. But that's inevitable ... and if a mass transition happens, USCIS will have no other option to bring in yet another rule to make their life easy, we all can guess ... what that may be ... I think this is one of the reasons why USCIS does not allow 140 premium processing anymore. Now those who are hopefull for EB2, my message is that USCIS can very easily justify visa wastage this year because of the extra load they got from Citizenship applications. Personally, I do not have much hope of USCIS working efficiently.

I am not trying to spread pessimism, but just giving my predictions. We all need to think hard, as to how can we come out of this mess. Flower campaign worked once, but doesn't mean that its gonna be effective again and again.

Fashion models and Sport personnel and EB-5 folks are few in numbers and will go unnoticed by their constituents. Other EB categories are comparatively huge. So I suppose that congress is treading carefully. If the bills does not go though the subcommittee and full ones, opponents will debate that the bill was sneaked in or piggy backed or pushed through. Hopefully something will emerge before the presidential elections. Lets not loose hope and try our best. Anything after the elections will be bound to be bogged down by CIR...

kaisersose
06-10-2008, 12:42 PM
Visa numbers have been recaptured in the past (year 2000, I think).

Do we know more details on how this happened? Who worked for this and what did they do to make their efforts successful?

Same with the AC21 provision that allows changing jobs after 180 days. That is a huge accomplishment for whoever worked to make it happen.

Perhaps we can borrow some of their wisdom.

485Mbe4001
06-10-2008, 12:50 PM
You make it sound like they care about you and are doing this slowly to get everybody on board, sorry to burst the bubble but chances are they were able to apply the right pressure at the right places and get this passed.

Fashion models and Sport personnel and EB-5 folks are few in numbers and will go unnoticed by their constituents. Other EB categories are comparatively huge. So I suppose that congress is treading carefully. If the bills does not go though the subcommittee and full ones, opponents will debate that the bill was sneaked in or piggy backed or pushed through. Hopefully something will emerge before the presidential elections. Lets not loose hope and try our best. Anything after the elections will be bound to be bogged down by CIR...

kaisersose
06-10-2008, 01:04 PM
One word answer:

Y2K

So AC21 and visa recapture happened without anyone trying for it.


They increased quota of H1B, did AC21 because it was a market demand.
Now the economy is down, there are elections, jobless rate is high............ so think why will they increase h1B quota or greencard quota? What is the incentive for government?

I have always held that asking for quota increase is a bad idea and will not happen.

Visa recapture is the best bet and even that appears to be a hassle as there are many factions opposing it.

mpadapa
06-10-2008, 01:04 PM
Yes there was an organization just like IV which was instrumental in getting the AC21 provision. I just don't recollect the name probably IV core folks can provide more details.
Those time were different economy was booming and the anti-immigrants orgs esp against legal folks were non existent. Moreover EB folks had big uncertainty after 6yr clock on H1 expires. But now it is different, EB folks are busy tracking receipts and are happy with EAD and AP. SO who cares about rallying for a bill/amendment?

Visa numbers have been recaptured in the past (year 2000, I think).

Do we know more details on how this happened? Who worked for this and what did they do to make their efforts successful?

Same with the AC21 provision that allows changing jobs after 180 days. That is a huge accomplishment for whoever worked to make it happen.

Perhaps we can borrow some of their wisdom.

485Mbe4001
06-10-2008, 01:07 PM
Recapture is actually a non controvertial issue and most politicians support it in private. The business lobby was sucessful in getting it done (btw the democrats opposed it even then). These days we have the sword of 'amnesty' hanging over everything related to immigration plus the positions are so polarized that it is impossible to get anything done. The lame duck presidency isnt helping either, each congressman/senator has to worry about its own agenda and their people.

With the internet every little bit of information is distributed immediately and the opposing forces can easly create noise to drown it...that in a nutshell is why nothing is working for us.

As mpadapa mentions people satisfied with EAD/AP think that life is good and dont want to help. When people wait in EB3 for 7-8 years and renew EAD/AP for 4-5 times like i have, they will understand. Untill then we hope and pray and call

Visa numbers have been recaptured in the past (year 2000, I think).

Do we know more details on how this happened? Who worked for this and what did they do to make their efforts successful?

Same with the AC21 provision that allows changing jobs after 180 days. That is a huge accomplishment for whoever worked to make it happen.

Perhaps we can borrow some of their wisdom.

pointlesswait
06-10-2008, 01:08 PM
same as DUI...but with lesser penalty...

snhn
what is a DWI?thanks.

nixstor
06-10-2008, 01:24 PM
Just to summarize what's going to happen with VB in final Quarter.

Two words: Nothing Positive

CIS and DOS officials are meeting every week after July 07 fiasco. They have a better handle on the visa number utilization than they ever had in the past years. As a result they have max utilization of visa numbers and don't be surprised if DOS decides to move EB2 India and China a month or two back. Neither India EB2 nor China EB2 is going to move past Oct 2004 before Oct 08 bulletin.

485Mbe4001
06-10-2008, 01:32 PM
From Ron Gotchers site:-

Something is seriously out of whack. EB3 is "unavailable." EB3 "other workers" however have a cutoff date. The applicable statute provides:

"
Quote:
203(b)(3) Skilled workers, professionals, and other workers.--
203(b)(3)(A) In general.--Visas shall be made available, in a number not to exceed 28.6 percent of such worldwide level, plus any visas not required for the classes specified in paragraphs (1) and (2), to the following classes of aliens who are not described in paragraph (2):
. . .
203(b)(3)(B) Limitation on other workers.--Not more than 10,000 of the visas made available under this paragraph in any fiscal year may be available for qualified immigrants described in subparagraph (A)(iii). "

That's not a set aside for "other workers" - it is a limit. In other words, "other workers are not guaranteed 10,000 visas each year, they are limited to no more than 10,000 visas out of the 28.6% of the overall quota that is guaranteed to EB3 applicants.

How can "other workers" have a cutoff date when the rest of EB3 is unavailable?

vdlrao
06-10-2008, 01:32 PM
As EB1 is Cureent, presume processing applications up date, EB3 is Unavailable, means no work to do for USCIS people as far as EB3 Adjudicate cases, leave EB4, EB5 categories aside which dont have many applications to process. Then the only category left for working with is EB2 and that also having ROW being current, the adjuticate applications left for processing with available visa numbers are EB2 India for time being. So this means for the next few months including this June 2008 there might be many approvals in EB2 India category, as because theres no considerable work in EB category for USCIS people except EB2 India Adjudication. So presumably all the available visa numbers will be processed effectively in the EB2 category for the fical year.

kaisersose
06-10-2008, 01:35 PM
As EB1 is Cureent, presume processing applications up date, EB3 is Unavailable, means no work to do for USCIS people as far as EB3 Adjudicate cases, leave EB4, EB5 categories aside which dont have many applications to process. Then the only category left for working with is EB2 and that also having ROW being current, the adjuticate applications left for processing with available visa numbers are EB2 India for time being. So this means for the next few months including this June 2008 there might be many approvals in
EB2 India category, as because theres no considerable work in EB category for USCIS people except EB2 India Adjudication. So presumably all the available visa numbers will be processed effectively in the EB2 category for the fical year.


It is simple. If the number of pending EB2 Apps before April 1st 2004 (India and China combined) is less than the number of spill over visa numbers, then there will be some forward movement in EB2 next month. If not, the dates will remain the same or may even retrogress.

ohmasala1
06-10-2008, 01:46 PM
USCIS to Issue Two-Year EAD for I-485 Waiters at End of June 2008
The Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security announced on 06/09/2008 that the DHS would start issuing two-year EAD beginning from end of June 2008 for the I-485 filers. Hooray!
Announcement: "I'm also pleased to announce that we will be extending the validity period of the employment authorization documents that we issue to individuals who are waiting adjustment of status to lawful permit residenture or in colloquial phrase, the green card. Currently, adjustment applications are granted employment authorization documents with only a one year maximum validity. Beginning later this month, we'll start issuing these documents with a two-year validity period for aliens who are waiting adjustment of status if their application is expected to be pending for more than a year. This, again, is eliminating a persistent source of frustration for workers who are here, who have a pending adjustment application but have to go and renew their employment documents every single year. It's going to cut the paperwork there."

vdlrao
06-10-2008, 01:48 PM
It is simple. If the number of pending EB2 Apps before April 1st 2004 (India and China combined) is less than the number of spill over visa numbers, then there will be some forward movement in EB2 next month. If not, the dates will remain the same or may even retrogress.

what I am trying to say is USCIS works effectively for EB2 category as because they dont have much work in other EB categories.

TexDBoy
06-10-2008, 01:58 PM
USCIS to Issue Two-Year EAD for I-485 Waiters at End of June 2008
The Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security announced on 06/09/2008 that the DHS would start issuing two-year EAD beginning from end of June 2008 for the I-485 filers. Hooray!
Announcement: "I'm also pleased to announce that we will be extending the validity period of the employment authorization documents that we issue to individuals who are waiting adjustment of status to lawful permit residenture or in colloquial phrase, the green card. Currently, adjustment applications are granted employment authorization documents with only a one year maximum validity. Beginning later this month, we'll start issuing these documents with a two-year validity period for aliens who are waiting adjustment of status if their application is expected to be pending for more than a year. This, again, is eliminating a persistent source of frustration for workers who are here, who have a pending adjustment application but have to go and renew their employment documents every single year. It's going to cut the paperwork there."

Tank you so much for the news ....

pappu
06-10-2008, 02:02 PM
Just to summarize what's going to happen with VB in final Quarter.

Two words: Nothing Positive

CIS and DOS officials are meeting every week after July 07 fiasco. They have a better handle on the visa number utilization than they ever had in the past years. As a result they have max utilization of visa numbers and don't be surprised if DOS decides to move EB2 India and China a month or two back. Neither India EB2 nor China EB2 is going to move past Oct 2004 before Oct 08 bulletin.

That is true and IV core member Nixtor had given details about this visa movement more than a month ago in the all state chapter conference call. This call was strictly for state chapter members of all states. IV core has been meeting DOS and USCIS regularly to find solution to the problems our members have been facing.

Pls take part in the call campaign and contribute funds to be able to find relief.

bugs2007
06-10-2008, 02:07 PM
Hi,
I am sure you all have seen the bulletin:
F. EMPLOYMENT THIRD PREFERENCE VISA AVAILABILITY
Demand for numbers, primarily by USCIS for adjustment of status cases, will bring the entire Employment Third preference category to the annual numerical limit by the end of June. As a result, this category will become “unavailable” beginning in July and will remain so for the remainder of FY-2008. Such action will only be temporary, however, and Employment Third preference availability will return to the cut-off dates established for June in October, the first month of the new fiscal year.

Does this mean that all the numbers for EB3 have been used up, and there will be no more EB3 cases processed till Oct 2008, and hence the category is U;
or
Does it mean that they will continue to process the cases but the category is U for filing any new cases till Oct 2008?

Thank you.

pappu
06-10-2008, 02:08 PM
USCIS to Issue Two-Year EAD for I-485 Waiters at End of June 2008
The Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security announced on 06/09/2008 that the DHS would start issuing two-year EAD beginning from end of June 2008 for the I-485 filers. Hooray!
Announcement: "I'm also pleased to announce that we will be extending the validity period of the employment authorization documents that we issue to individuals who are waiting adjustment of status to lawful permit residenture or in colloquial phrase, the green card. Currently, adjustment applications are granted employment authorization documents with only a one year maximum validity. Beginning later this month, we'll start issuing these documents with a two-year validity period for aliens who are waiting adjustment of status if their application is expected to be pending for more than a year. This, again, is eliminating a persistent source of frustration for workers who are here, who have a pending adjustment application but have to go and renew their employment documents every single year. It's going to cut the paperwork there."

That is the victory due to our admin fixes campaign. Your thousands of letters are working here.
We had received good feedback in our meetings with the administration.
The whole process of making final announcements is just too slow!!

We recently had another meeting to discuss one more admin fix item that has not been addressed yet and was part of our letters. Let us hope some decision comes out soon enough.

arnab221
06-10-2008, 02:09 PM
The best way is this .

1) Apply labor and I140 .

2) Once I-140 is approved have an understanding with the companyeturn to ( attorney ) that they will not stip your GC processing .

3) Return to Booming India and have fun and make money . Raise kids . Change jobs .

4) Hope that the PD will be current by the time you are 60 and ready to retire .Get your GC stamped in India by 2040 . :D

5) Retire in the USA in instead of India . :D

Advantages
**********
1) Advantage to change jobs and make more money , and not being stuck with a single employer for decades , and be exploited .( exploited does not apply to everyone !!! )

2) Give kids the Indian upbringing .

3) Enjoy with your family , friends and relatives

4) Come and back and retire in USA after retirement .

pappu
06-10-2008, 02:18 PM
The best way is this .

1) Apply labor and I140 .

2) Once I-140 is approved have an understanding with the companyeturn to ( attorney ) that they will not stip your GC processing .

3) Return to Booming India and have fun and make money . Raise kids . Change jobs .

4) Hope that the PD will be current by the time you are 60 and ready to retire .Get your GC stamped in India by 2040 . :D

5) Retire in the USA in instead of India . :D

Advantages
**********
1) Advantage to change jobs and make more money , and not being stuck with a single employer for decades , and be exploited .( exploited does not apply to everyone !!! )

2) Give kids the Indian upbringing .

3) Enjoy with your family , friends and relatives

4) Come and back and retire in USA after retirement .

Why?
Is retirement better in USA?
Just curious to know the reasons.

pa_arora
06-10-2008, 02:33 PM
That is the victory due to our admin fixes campaign. Your thousands of letters are working here.
We had received good feedback in our meetings with the administration.
The whole process of making final announcements is just too slow!!

We recently had another meeting to discuss one more admin fix item that has not been addressed yet and was part of our letters. Let us hope some decision comes out soon enough.


Pappu, then why no to plan for another letter campaign, if that is what making things work a little bit.

user1205
06-10-2008, 02:38 PM
The state chapters don't seem to be very effective.
I thought I was a member of the CA chapter but in the last few months I received no information from anybody in this chapter.
I was semi-active, meaning I helped with phone calls, money and prints and that's as much as I could do at this point in time.
And at some point there was a discussion about a new user group of only the people that are active and can contribute and it seems they went through with it.
I understand that some things might be better discussed in a smaller group with the people that can dedicate more time, but there are different levels of commitment and if you're not open and accept that some want to help but can't do as much as others, you're cutting yourself short.
When there is a big initiative or a push for funds and effort, you're not even reaching out to the bigger group; you're relying on the same small number of people and they too have limited resources and energy and will get tired.

Maybe I’m just having a bad day but that was my experience and CA is one of the most active chapters so maybe all is well I’m an isolated case.




That is true and IV core member Nixtor had given details about this visa movement more than a month ago in the all state chapter conference call. This call was strictly for state chapter members of all states. IV core has been meeting DOS and USCIS regularly to find solution to the problems our members have been facing.

Pls take part in the call campaign and contribute funds to be able to find relief.

gc_on_demand
06-10-2008, 02:40 PM
In the last several months, the worldwide demand for immigrant visas in the EB-2 category has been lower than the State Department expected. To make sure that all available EB-2 immigrant visas are used, DOS has, since April, made some unused worldwide numbers available for China and India and will continue to do so in July. If worldwide demand for these visas increases, however, DOS could impose cut-off dates or declare the China or India EB-2 category unavailable, as it did for India in February 2008, possibly even in the middle of the month

What are chances of Eb2 india will become unavailbale. Core members is there any companign that we can do to move this thing forwards. I called CHC and local lawmakers.

pappu
06-10-2008, 02:40 PM
Pappu, then why no to plan for another letter campaign, if that is what making things work a little bit.

It will work only if we can have 10s of thousands of letters.
If admin fixes had so many letters we would have been in a better spot today. With only 5 thousand or something letters and many of them anonymous, we cannot have our hopes very high.

Unless people suffering take the initiative, our initiatives will have a hard time getting results. IV is every member here (and not just core members or chapter leaders) and if members feel the heat of retrogression, they need to take the initiative and get active.

Hope this bulletin will help people focus on action items.

sundarraj_us
06-10-2008, 02:49 PM
USCIS to Issue Two-Year EAD for I-485 Waiters at End of June 2008
The Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security announced on 06/09/2008 that the DHS would start issuing two-year EAD beginning from end of June 2008 for the I-485 filers. Hooray!
Announcement: "I'm also pleased to announce that we will be extending the validity period of the employment authorization documents that we issue to individuals who are waiting adjustment of status to lawful permit residenture or in colloquial phrase, the green card. Currently, adjustment applications are granted employment authorization documents with only a one year maximum validity. Beginning later this month, we'll start issuing these documents with a two-year validity period for aliens who are waiting adjustment of status if their application is expected to be pending for more than a year. This, again, is eliminating a persistent source of frustration for workers who are here, who have a pending adjustment application but have to go and renew their employment documents every single year. It's going to cut the paperwork there."
Can you post the link of the official announcement, thanks in advance

pappu
06-10-2008, 02:49 PM
The state chapters don't seem to be very effective.
I thought I was a member of the CA chapter but in the last few months I received no information from anybody in this chapter.
I was semi-active, meaning I helped with phone calls, money and prints and that's as much as I could do at this point in time.
And at some point there was a discussion about a new user group of only the people that are active and can contribute and it seems they went through with it.
I understand that some things might be better discussed in a smaller group with the people that can dedicate more time, but there are different levels of commitment and if you're not open and accept that some want to help but can't do as much as others, you're cutting yourself short.
When there is a big initiative or a push for funds and effort, you're not even reaching out to the bigger group; you're relying on the same small number of people and they too have limited resources and energy and will get tired.

Maybe I’m just having a bad day but that was my experience and CA is one of the most active chapters so maybe all is well I’m an isolated case.

Sometimes chapter leaders are unable to communicate the message to members on time or must be busy for their own reasons. We will note your feedback for future. Thanks.

willwin
06-10-2008, 02:57 PM
That is true and IV core member Nixtor had given details about this visa movement more than a month ago in the all state chapter conference call. This call was strictly for state chapter members of all states. IV core has been meeting DOS and USCIS regularly to find solution to the problems our members have been facing.

Pls take part in the call campaign and contribute funds to be able to find relief.

I don't follow. Are you saying that DOS is disclosing VISA bulletin to IV (core members) even before the actual date of bulletin???

ak_2006
06-10-2008, 03:11 PM
That is the victory due to our admin fixes campaign. Your thousands of letters are working here.
We had received good feedback in our meetings with the administration.
The whole process of making final announcements is just too slow!!

We recently had another meeting to discuss one more admin fix item that has not been addressed yet and was part of our letters. Let us hope some decision comes out soon enough.



Thanks IV...thanks a lot.

pappu
06-10-2008, 03:11 PM
I don't follow. Are you saying that DOS is disclosing VISA bulletin to IV (core members) even before the actual date of bulletin???

NO.

ak_2006
06-10-2008, 03:13 PM
Can you post the link of the official announcement, thanks in advance

http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1213101513448.shtm

snhn
06-10-2008, 03:16 PM
From July onwards since there will be no EB3 visas to give, will those IOs previously assigned to EB3 cases be freed up, or will they continue working on EB3 cases (stopping just short of approving them)? What happens to RD who are in July, will their cases continue to process or no will look at them

r2i2009
06-10-2008, 03:44 PM
I am EB3...good news is the two-year EAD...a bit relieved.
Y2K bought in thousands of Desis(including me) and now we are in a USCIS Theater queue. House Full...I will wait for another show.....so what?

Love to relax....or learn it now

485Mbe4001
06-10-2008, 03:52 PM
you bet you dont have to worry at all, after all your handle mentions that you will be in india in 6 odd months. Since it will take 3 months for you to pack, you might as well spend your time on the R2I forum. Do log back and tell us about the green grass on the other side when do go back. :mad:
EB ignorance is bliss..good for you :p

I am EB3...good news is the two-year EAD...a bit relieved.
Y2K bought in thousands of Desis(including me) and now we are in a USCIS Theater queue. House Full...I will wait for another show.....so what?

Love to relax....or learn it now

greenlight
06-10-2008, 04:33 PM
My PD is Dec. 04, and my I-485 was filed during the july fiasco in 2007. My PD was current since March 08 until it will become "unavailable" in June 08.

My attorney got update from Nebraska SC in May stating "Your case is in queue for green card." Now what will happen to my case since EB-3 ROW will be unavailable in June? Does that mean an IO once opened my file after March and will close it without processing any further because of the change in the June Visa Bulletin?

I am confused. Please share your insights and experiences.
Thank you.

Aah_GC
06-10-2008, 04:35 PM
My PD is Dec. 04, and my I-485 was filed during the july fiasco in 2007. My PD was current since March 08 until it will become "unavailable" in June 08.

My attorney got update from Nebraska SC in May stating "Your case is in queue for green card." Now what will happen to my case since EB-3 ROW will be unavailable in June? Does that mean an IO once opened my file after March and will close it without processing any further because of the change in the June Visa Bulletin?

I am confused. Please share your insights and experiences.
Thank you.

Sorry about your case. Why dont you open a new thread? you might get many replies..

vdlrao
06-10-2008, 05:26 PM
My PD is Dec. 04, and my I-485 was filed during the july fiasco in 2007. My PD was current since March 08 until it will become "unavailable" in June 08.

My attorney got update from Nebraska SC in May stating "Your case is in queue for green card." Now what will happen to my case since EB-3 ROW will be unavailable in June? Does that mean an IO once opened my file after March and will close it without processing any further because of the change in the June Visa Bulletin?

I am confused. Please share your insights and experiences.
Thank you.

Your PD in EB3 for ROW will be back into track in October 2008 as its said in the current visa bulletin dated Jul 2008 for EB3 preference. So once it is back to current in October then the new visa numbers will be alloted. Then you will get your GC. So just wait till October to receive your GC confirmation.
Good Luck!!!

hitpauler
06-10-2008, 05:41 PM
When do you think would EB2-I hit Feb 2005? Before this year end?

pa_arora
06-10-2008, 06:22 PM
When do you think would EB2-I hit Feb 2005? Before this year end?
NO ONE knows abut it...no one includes USCIS too. cause they dont work on what will be needed in future.

greenlight
06-10-2008, 06:57 PM
Your PD in EB3 for ROW will be back into track in October 2008 as its said in the current visa bulletin dated Jul 2008 for EB3 preference. So once it is back to current in October then the new visa numbers will be alloted. Then you will get your GC. So just wait till October to receive your GC confirmation.
Good Luck!!!



Thnk you, Vdlrao, and other members for response to my question. They were very encouraging. I am grateful to have this IV community to provide and seek support.

Dhundhun
06-11-2008, 02:13 AM
When do you think would EB2-I hit Feb 2005? Before this year end?

Perhaps not. With many I140 getting approved, there are always chances of dates going back instead of moving forward.

I can think of average movement of one or two months moving forward per quarter. The two bills in pipeline can ease this situation:
1. Removing country quota
2. Recapturing of unallocated GC Visas

vdlrao
06-11-2008, 08:25 AM
anyone wants to guess as to when EB3(I) will reach 2003 Dec. I know it is long long time away but it has to reach that date some time in the future.

Dont worry good days ahead. I am presuming that at some point of time in the next two to three years all the EB categories will be cleared off with no backlogs.

kalyan
06-11-2008, 09:22 AM
Particularly elimination of LC substitution and elimination of concurrent 140 & 485 are good things to come in the forseeable future.

Also, another Damn thing that INS should do, check the PayStubs and W2 forms for all the people and should check with IRS on that to eliminate the another class of people who are just faking about everything, everything and becoming liable on this GC and creating a freaking mess and becoming example or providing direction to lot many others following their model.

If this stops, yes, our waiting times decrease. I can say one, Our own Indian mentality is causing Quueues in this process

We need to change.

gc_on_demand
06-11-2008, 09:33 AM
Folks

July bulletin is OUT and NO more significant movement. Donot hope for future bulletin . Please call Lawmakers ASAP. Unless we take action USCIS is not going to do anything. Situation can be worse once we head towards election season. Still we have 1-2 months to get things done or we will be waiting for years to get green card OR EAD ( For some folks ).

It is just 10-15 minutes need to spend to call. Let them know WHO WE ARE AND WHAT ARE OUR ISSUES .

I request all of you to call , if you have called then ask your friends and family members to call.

Now its time to act. If we dont take action CHC will not allow to move ahead our 3 bills.

CALL NOW .... and Spread this message to everyone.

willwin
06-11-2008, 12:49 PM
anyone wants to guess as to when EB3(I) will reach 2003 Dec. I know it is long long time away but it has to reach that date some time in the future.

Going by what has happened this year, assuming no legislation relief in the near future, dates are NOT going to move forward for EB3 for a very long time. The movement would be slow for EB2 I as well.

Reason, USCIS would have more resources (available) starting next FY and also if they were able to use up all VISA numbers in a FY when they had to handle several hundred thousands of EAD/AP besides naturalization cases, starting next year it is going to be an easy bet for them. So, the dates would move forward very slowly (with all the new I140 approvals coming in).

However, if there was any legislation relief, then it would be a different ball game altogether. May be we will see a repeat of 2002-2004 when all categories were current.

Green.Tech
06-11-2008, 01:08 PM
However, if there was any legislation relief, then it would be a different ball game altogether. May be we will see a repeat of 2002-2004 when all categories were current.

...and that could happen if all of us unite and participate in IV's campaigns, otherwise the wait could be a long one!

hitpauler
06-11-2008, 01:24 PM
How would I-140 approvals impact the availability of visa numbers and isnt spill over already happening,ie, removal of country caps, as we have seen last year,last quarter as well in July VB?

willwin
06-11-2008, 01:33 PM
How would I-140 approvals impact the availability of visa numbers and isnt spill over already happening,ie, removal of country caps, as we have seen last year,last quarter as well in July VB?

More I140 approvals (of those who have already filed their 485) means more 485 eligible to be adjudicated. Longer the queue and more efficient the USCIS is - slower the PD movement.

485Mbe4001
06-11-2008, 02:48 PM
i wanted to aviod posting this, but please include a bit of realism in your optimism. Full disclosure: i am EB 3-I

We had a discussion on our chapter here is the extract of the email that i sent based on a couple of similar comments from fellow members.

After talking to a few of the fellow members, i feel that one the main causes for inaction is that folks who have applied under EB 2 India feel that the spillover from ROW EB 2/1 and India EB1 will be sufficient to get them their GC's in 2 years tops. EAD/AP for two years is no big deal. There is no urgency to get things done or the motivation to step up to the plate and make a few calls. If that is the case, then chances are that you are mistaken.

a) we have no estimate of the per country breakdown of pending applications.
b) we have no idea how many EB2 India applied in July 07
c) we dont know the number of multiple applicants who have EB2 and EB3 applications pending (spouse and self).
d) We have no indication of the 300k applications who were stuck in namecheck and are now eligible for approval. Namecheck victims were from all countries (you can see that ROW EB 3 is U)
This affects ROW as well as the retrogressed countries as the per country quota is still fixed.

We cannot wish this mess away. Making a few phone calls at lunch should not be a big deal.



I am Not sure everybody follows Federal Reserve revising short-term rates by every month and Financal analyst were trying to understand language(tone) of Bulletin. And Looking at tone of VISA Bulletin for July 2008 and historical Bulletins EB2 for India is very encouraging till we see the language next month for India.



VISA BULLETIN FOR July 2008
There have been questions raised regarding the way numbers have been provided to the China and India in the Employment Second preference categories beginning in April. Section 202(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act .....

VISA BULLETIN FOR JULY 2007
E. EMPLOYMENT-BASED VISA AVAILABILITY DURING THE COMING MONTHS

All Employment Preference categories except for Third “Other Workers” have been made “Current” for July. This has been done in an effort to generate increased demand by Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) for adjustment of status cases, and to maximize number use under the annual numerical limit. However, all readers should be alert to the possibility that not all Employment preferences will remain Current for the remainder of the fiscal year. Should the rate of demand for numbers be very heavy in the coming months, it could become necessary to retrogress some cut-off dates for September, most likely for China-mainland born and India, but also possibly for Mexico and Philippines. Severe cut-off date retrogressions are likely to occur early in FY-2008.

vdlrao
06-11-2008, 03:53 PM
vdlrao, Thanks ..good days are always ahead. can you tell me the reason for your optimism ? the problem I see is spillovers not going to EB3-I. at the very least they should have thrown some visas to EB3 out of pity :).
In fact that is the only hope ..i.e. other categories will be in 2006 while EB3 will be in early 2002 late 001 ..and to make it look better USCIS will give some visas to EB3-I. in either case do share your reasons ..TIA
as I mentioned in earlier post ..if EB3-I gets only the alloted visas ..that means around 30 families in a state gets a GC ..in most apartment complex(in the big cities) ..you will see more than 30 Indian families waiting for GC

Due to the lot of noice we have done,most of the law makers know theres a community called legal immigrants, and their long waiting periods due to the outdated rules. The new OBAMA government's agenda is to take the immigration reform during his first year tenure in the ffice. Once the immigration reform took place, I am pretty sure there would be significat changes in employment based category, which drastically decrease the backlogs in all EB categories.
In addtion to that "legals are first than illegals"- OBAMA. This itself is enough for clearing off all the backlogs.

Keeme
06-11-2008, 05:18 PM
If someone is to blame for EB3 - 'Unavailable' in July 08 Visa bulletin, its July 07 Visa bulleting fiasco. The mistake was so huge that it allowed many (may be 2-300K)applicants to file I-485. Now spill over law can't be used to help EB3 category when thousands of Eb2 ( India & China ) are still pending. To add any spill over - extra visas to Eb3 applicants, they must make EB2 category current for all countries including India and China.

nixstor
06-11-2008, 05:24 PM
what if Obama does not win :) ..if something has to pass it will pass during this term. things and priorities change after a person gets elected. this is politics 101. I appreciate your optimism and if there is no spill over then EB3-I faces the worst case scenario. as usual the truth is somewhere in between. i.e. be ready for a long road ..if you get before that ..then good.
as others mentioned ..the only other thing you can do is support IV.
---
I follow politics too and politics is very complex for mortals like us. there are many obstacles for Obama ..his tax policies, some of the controversies and mr Rezko ..why do you think Clinton only suspended her campaign but did not close it completely ?

Guys,

It doesn't matter what the president wants to do as far as CIR is concerned. As far as CIR is concerned, George W begged it to be passed in both houses well before he became a lame duck. I don't see how the lawmakers on far right can come and align with the far left or even the lawmakers who are in the center. For the CIR to pass through without issues, Dems should control both houses with a big majority. Also, if you are thinking that Obama is going to win this, you are very well underestimating Mac. watch out for the GOP machine in the last 2 months and it will be a different ball game. Clinton lost because her campaign was over confident and by the time they realized they had a string of 10 bad states whose background does not suit her. Mac's campaign can't be over confident after they saw what happened. GOP is going to do its best to further divide the badly bruised Democratic party. Its few states that will decide this election and its difficult to carry states winning only the metropolitan areas. Obama won 5 counties of 90 some counties in OH. If his performance in general election is going to be the same, forget OH. Same situation in WV.

For now, I feel Obama is a great visionary and ideologue. No one knows whether he will achieve most of the things he is promising to do if he becomes the president. But he has been very logical and rational esp with the gas tax holiday. All said, he looks like a destiny's child. Imagine where he would have been if the Rev wright wreck came before the Iowa caucuses.

There are so many ifs and buts. our interests are best served with out the big vehicle CIR. If thats the only vehicle, we possibly are going to be held hostage.

immique
06-11-2008, 11:50 PM
I disagree with the earlier comment. I don't agree that any one(including EB3) lost due to July 2007 visa bulletin. sure it was haphazard by the way it was handled, but thousands of well qualified applicants from many retrogressed countries had a chance to file their I 485 and were able to obtain well deserved benefits like EAD, AP or themselves and their dependants which thy have been denied for many yearsdue to the inefficient processing of various agencies. people have to realize that all of us are in the same boat and most of the people getting unfair treatment are from the retrogressed countries waiting for their green cards for 8-9 years

dealsnet
06-12-2008, 01:03 AM
You are saying new OBAMA govt. in many of your postings. Are you his election agent?. This forum is not for any party affiliations. Election is yet to start. Democratic party is not officially announced their candidate. All powerful President Bush is tried hard to help immigrants. Then how come a weak person who is still fighting for a ticket can take left and right congress and senete veterans.!!!!!!

Due to the lot of noice we have done,most of the law makers know theres a community called legal immigrants, and their long waiting periods due to the outdated rules. The new OBAMA government's agenda is to take the immigration reform during his first year tenure in the ffice. Once the immigration reform took place, I am pretty sure there would be significat changes in employment based category, which drastically decrease the backlogs in all EB categories.
In addtion to that "legals are first than illegals"- OBAMA. This itself is enough for clearing off all the backlogs.

greencard_fever
06-12-2008, 01:20 AM
You are saying new OBAMA govt. in many of your postings. Are you his election agent?. This forum is not for any party affiliations. Election is yet to start. Democratic party is not officially announced their candidate. All powerful President Bush is tried hard to help immigrants. Then how come a weak person who is still fighting for a ticket can take left and right congress and senete veterans.!!!!!!

What are you talking? which part of the world do you belong? Obama is the democratic candidat for 2008 Presidential Elections Its conformed.He is not still fighting and also he how can you justify that he is a weak person? do you know he was no where in the picture and no one expected he will won the nomination when the Democratic Primary was begun..now he is the democratic PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE..by now you should have undestand how powerful he is.

masouds
06-12-2008, 03:45 PM
What are you talking? which part of the world do you belong? Obama is the democratic candidat for 2008 Presidential Elections Its conformed.He is not still fighting and also he how can you justify that he is a weak person? do you know he was no where in the picture and no one expected he will won the nomination when the Democratic Primary was begun..now he is the democratic PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE..by now you should have undestand how powerful he is.

Weak or strong, either he (or Sen. McCain) will be president, and not king. They may have a strong influence in the Congress, but they can't boss it around. Specially since a minority in congress (be it Democrat or Republican) has its own way of stalling bills they don't like. I hope next president brings sanity back to the Washington.

Legal
06-12-2008, 05:11 PM
There are so many ifs and buts. our interests are best served with out the big vehicle CIR. If thats the only vehicle, we possibly are going to be held hostage.

Very true. Also members should stay away from promoting one presidential candidate versus other. How does it help our cause? This has nothing to do with free speech. There are so many other websites for such discussions.

whiteStallion
06-12-2008, 06:40 PM
Very true. Also members should stay away from promoting one presidential candidate versus other. How does it help our cause? This has nothing to do with free speech. There are so many other websites for such discussions.

Though I agree wholeheartedly that this is not a platform for supporting any of the candidates in the Nov election, but given that more than 90% of the people who frequent this forum are not even citizens of the country and cannot vote... Even if I get hugely motivated towards any of the 2 candidates, by reading the motivational messages from other fellow posters, what can I really do ?
I cannot vote...so how does it matter ?

dealsnet
06-13-2008, 12:32 AM
Democratic party is not officially announced its candidate. They will announce in their convention. Do you know that ???.
Sen. Clinton just pause her campaign, not disbanded till now (for your info- read New York Times).
Party nomination not brings strong standing in the party. Where is John Kerry now?. All depends on their family connections and influential supporters.


What are you talking? which part of the world do you belong? Obama is the democratic candidat for 2008 Presidential Elections Its conformed.He is not still fighting and also he how can you justify that he is a weak person? do you know he was no where in the picture and no one expected he will won the nomination when the Democratic Primary was begun..now he is the democratic PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE..by now you should have undestand how powerful he is.