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dish
10-15-2006, 08:28 PM
Do you really need a Green Card, Permanently reside in United States and eventually become a U.S Citizen ?

Or

If the H1B Visa allows you to work here for 20 years, if spouse can work on H4 visa, you can get in-state tuition for studying, and you can claim the money you contributed to Social Security anytime you decide to leave this Country --- WILL You be in the LINE for Green Card ?

We all came here looking for greener pastures. But How many of you think this Country and this Culture is great ? Now think about the Economic Growth - The US is still the most competitive but they are not the Number One anymore.

In my case I am in the GC Queue, for spouse work permit and better job prospects...get promoted, can change employer etc. And Ofcourse make money...But eventually, say 10 or 15 years here then I want to move back to my home land. So I had to apply for GC so that I can stay for few more years here.

But on the darker Side I am tied to my employer, cannot change jobs, and no promotions literally Zero growth on career.

Most H1B holders get very good offers when they move back to their home countris after say 10 years. But the H4 spouse who spent al these years rotting in the USA again have to continue rotting....Their prospects are dim. So I want to get my GC. Let my spouse work here for couple of years and move back to my Own country.

If the H1B visa was not as restrictive I would not have applied for a Green Card. I would have never been tied to a specific Employer. I would have gotten Promotions. I would have had better career satisfaction and more savings If my spouse too were working.....



So why not H1b made more HUMANE ?;) ;) ;)

desibechara
10-15-2006, 10:01 PM
H1b humane-hear my story..it cannot be as inhuman as it can be..(i have written the story in one of the forums before also..)

My PD-Oct 2001..Eb3..My wife RIR-almost making it thru I140when all hell broke loose in our lives...my wife was pregnant and because of stupid gynaecologist..she ended up in hospital with complicated premature preganancy..guess what..as if it was not bad enough..her company got acquired just when she was admitted in hospital...imagine wondering about health insurance when she was kept to bed rest with no mobility allowed..we filed for insurance by mistake..which said that 20% in patient.....we were so shaken that even human resource did not advise us..guess what..baby was born..and it was surmised that baby will have long stay in hosiptal...2-3 months(eventually it was 4 months!)..somwhere around the first month..I realized that her insurance..will rip me off..I called right at the end of the first month..and tried several times to put my wife and baby on my insurance so that i don't end up paying 20%..it was lot of efforts until I found some desi in Blue cross insurance who put the whole family from the first initial month..when normally people get the policy for the following month at that time.

one down --and then another came..my wife was called to her office from hospital saying that..since there was lot of work in her office..she could come for some days..guess what..she went back..thinking..she could finish work and then take extended leave....guess what..she was laid off..and with baby in hospital..and lay off..plus a rush to change her status to H4 visa..imagine the workload.....finally got her status changed..to h4 visa..with GC and labor in trash...

I was so disgusted..that I started writing to Governor Shwarzenegger' office..who put me with Senator Diane Fienstein..and of course labor secretory Chao..after all the correspondings..all I got was my D number listed from Dallas..their sympathies...ALL I WROTE to them..Hey I want to change jobs because in those days I was commuting between LA to San Diego..where my baby was hospitalized...I wanted to be with my baby..and not work..but it was not possible..if I did..then I could get out of status...I even wrote to Department of Homeland security...and got no reply...they don't care..I ahve to be illegal to get sympathies..I guess!

Situation was bad..finally baby was out of hospital and I weathered all with help of Almighty...and now I am so disgusted with system..that I am moving to vancouver...

But I have another pleasant surprise..my boss wants me to work from vancouver and visit office once in a month...I don't know...whether it is possible...stay in vancouver and visit LA for 2 weeks and then go back and still maintain H1 status..

what do you say..after all the stress!

DB

pdx_Soft_Eng
10-16-2006, 12:09 AM
stay in Canada... Use you current job for transition. I am very sorry to hear what you and your wife has been through...

More humane H1B is already a necessity. We should work on improving the conditions for h1b holders too...

mihird
10-16-2006, 01:26 AM
Everything from immigration to foreign policy to war to world relations etc. is done in the interest of capitalism, not in the interest of immigrants, citizens or other countries.

This is a country where capitalism is practiced at its extreme....

The drawbacks of capitalism are also seen here in their extremes....

Exactly when people get into situations like what 'desibechara' described, the socialist healthcare system of Canada scores big way!

Through my 3 year stay in Canada, I was made to pay 43% of my income as income tax - a lot of people around me would grumble about that, but I for once, have never felt bad about having to pay such high taxes in the interest of a socialist healthcare system...

It gives such a peace of mind knowing that one never has to worry about getting medical attention all our life...irrespective of our job situation....stories of people having to sell their houses just to get proper medical treatment are just unheard of...

HarakoMeshi
10-16-2006, 05:42 AM
I'd like to be able to say that those of us on H1B visas are doing the US a favor so we should get rewarded better for it, but I will be honest here and admit that I did not take up a job in US to be a good samaritan to Americans. I would be surprised if there were any H1B holders who moved to US just to do the states a favor.

No, in fact I like many others moved to USA because I got an opportunity to advance my career and at the same time I am young and open to experience life in America and other parts of the world. To top that I love my company.

Sure, I am helping my company and doing work that will touch the lives of millions of people. I pay my taxes. I pay my health insurance. I pay salaries to healthcare practitioners as I and my family needs their services. I pay rent. I shop. I keep money at my bank. You know, if you consider all that I must be a pretty good American resident. Smooth.

Sadly there are some things that are not so smooth. My wife, who is a graduate from a US college and a qualified teacher with over 5 years of teaching experience in her home country, has no right to work here. I hear you say, US needs teachers doesn't it? She could get her own H1B visa.

Life is not so black and white. It is difficult for her to find a compatible job in our area with an employer who could and would sponsor someone for H1B. She is chained by this. There are a myriad of teaching jobs in our area that she could fill right now if she had work authorisation.

That is the #1 reason why I am now seeking a GC. If my wife could work there would honestly be no reason for us to want a GC except maybe when we reach the end of H1B time limit if we decide to stay here longer or permanently.

We're legal, educated, and do things by the book. I'm from UK, my wife from Japan. That means just about every major country of this world is open to us (All EU, Japan and friendly countries like Canada and Astralia).

We'd like to make US our home if we are welcome. Lawmakers, hear our cries.

Could we have a poll for how many IV members are married and how many of those both got H1Bs? My feeling is that there is a very large number of H4 spouses suffering from not having work authorisation.

pappu
10-16-2006, 09:07 AM
H1b humane-hear my story..it cannot be as inhuman as it can be..(i have written the story in one of the forums before also..)

My PD-Oct 2001..Eb3..My wife RIR-almost making it thru I140when all hell broke loose in our lives...my wife was pregnant and because of stupid gynaecologist..she ended up in hospital with complicated premature preganancy..guess what..as if it was not bad enough..her company got acquired just when she was admitted in hospital...imagine wondering about health insurance when she was kept to bed rest with no mobility allowed..we filed for insurance by mistake..which said that 20% in patient.....we were so shaken that even human resource did not advise us..guess what..baby was born..and it was surmised that baby will have long stay in hosiptal...2-3 months(eventually it was 4 months!)..somwhere around the first month..I realized that her insurance..will rip me off..I called right at the end of the first month..and tried several times to put my wife and baby on my insurance so that i don't end up paying 20%..it was lot of efforts until I found some desi in Blue cross insurance who put the whole family from the first initial month..when normally people get the policy for the following month at that time.

one down --and then another came..my wife was called to her office from hospital saying that..since there was lot of work in her office..she could come for some days..guess what..she went back..thinking..she could finish work and then take extended leave....guess what..she was laid off..and with baby in hospital..and lay off..plus a rush to change her status to H4 visa..imagine the workload.....finally got her status changed..to h4 visa..with GC and labor in trash...

I was so disgusted..that I started writing to Governor Shwarzenegger' office..who put me with Senator Diane Fienstein..and of course labor secretory Chao..after all the correspondings..all I got was my D number listed from Dallas..their sympathies...ALL I WROTE to them..Hey I want to change jobs because in those days I was commuting between LA to San Diego..where my baby was hospitalized...I wanted to be with my baby..and not work..but it was not possible..if I did..then I could get out of status...I even wrote to Department of Homeland security...and got no reply...they don't care..I ahve to be illegal to get sympathies..I guess!

Situation was bad..finally baby was out of hospital and I weathered all with help of Almighty...and now I am so disgusted with system..that I am moving to vancouver...

But I have another pleasant surprise..my boss wants me to work from vancouver and visit office once in a month...I don't know...whether it is possible...stay in vancouver and visit LA for 2 weeks and then go back and still maintain H1 status..

what do you say..after all the stress!

DB


Sorry to hear your situation. There is you and several other members who I have had a chance to speak to, are going through a tough time in life (both on personal and professional fronts) due to not having a greencard. Such experiences are my motivation to work as a volunteer and core member for IV and do something to solve problems faced by several thousands of people like me. IV is currently the only organization in USA working for the cause of legal high skilled immigrants. This IV forum has brought all of us together on one platform where we can share our views and pain. Members have come up with ideas and helped this community in any way they could. Some members decided to join this effort as core members and pledged more time and effort in order to bring relief to all of us. It is not an easy job. There is nobody else to work on the issues we face. You have yourself seen how the govt. and lawmakers responded to you and still did not do anything when you tried yourself as an individual. When we try to raise such issues collectively as IV, lawmakers do hear us. With greater membership numbers and resources we can certainly do much more to influence them and get the laws changed. Members pls. help us increase our membership and funding so that we can all collectively bring about a change and provide relief to everyone in our community. desibechara, If you have decided to move to Canada, good luck to you and your family. Do keep in touch with this forum. Hope we all members of IV can collectively work soon enough to get something done for ourselves to end our miseries.

njboy
10-16-2006, 09:54 AM
oh god..i dont want a green card either..just a work permit..ability for my wife to work..she is a microbiologist and is going crazy sitting at home

masti_Gai
10-16-2006, 10:19 AM
I thought i wouldn't marry till i get ma GC coz i didn't wanna gal to come n rot here without a job being on H4.
but now i've gotten so freakin old waitin for the GC n still waitin that i might not get a gal to marry.:eek: :eek:

caforum2
10-16-2006, 11:03 AM
I thought i wouldn't marry till i get ma GC coz i didn't wanna gal to come n rot here without a job being on H4.
but now i've gotten so freakin old waitin for the GC n still waitin that i might not get a gal to marry.:eek: :eek:
If you marry a girl after geting greencard you have to wait 5 years to bring her to US. So better yet, marry after you get citizenship :D which might be when you are ready to collect your social security

pappu
10-16-2006, 11:10 AM
If you marry a girl after geting greencard you have to wait 5 years to bring her to US. So better yet, marry after you get citizenship :D which might be when you are ready to collect your social security
:D
Good to see some light hearted comments to help uplift our moods in the gloomy greencard situation.

msp1976
10-16-2006, 11:50 AM
I thought i wouldn't marry till i get ma GC coz i didn't wanna gal to come n rot here without a job being on H4.
but now i've gotten so freakin old waitin for the GC n still waitin that i might not get a gal to marry.:eek: :eek:
well there are always other things to do for a H4 ..
At present My wife on her H4 is pursuing her Master's degree ... I donot need to tell you that I got a deep hole in my pocket..
Also I have heard some H4 spouses doing volunteering work..
Also you can have kids and get another piece of 'work' out of the way...If anyone has more ways of making the better of the situation let me know...
:p :D :cool: :cool: ;) :D

masti_Gai
10-16-2006, 11:52 AM
atleast she can have good career being in india than rottin over here waitin for EAD... will not be a liability to the world.

desibechara
10-16-2006, 12:26 PM
Look at this one..This one can have profound effect..if it happens in near future



http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/index.htm



DB

gcsoon
10-16-2006, 05:14 PM
Does any of you know what rights for maternity leave has a pregnant H1B visa holder? I want to stay home next year for 3 months to take care of my baby, then start working again.
From what I know I can only have the 6 weeks of short term disability.
The Maternity Act does not apply in my case because the company I'm working for has under 50 employees.
I asked my lawyer if I can take any unpaid leave without loosing my H1B status and her answer was that I can change my visa to H4 or become a part time employee for a while. I do not like any of this options because I'm in my I140 stage with my green card and I do not want to lose it at this stage, after waiting for years to get my labor cert approval.
Your answer would be appreciated.

Thanks

GCwaitforever
10-16-2006, 06:05 PM
Unpaid leave under pregnancy is very much a valid reason to stop working and taking a break. In my company, some H-1B women took maternity leave.

Even if the act does not apply to your company, your employer can grant the leave at his/her discretion.

hmehta
10-16-2006, 07:25 PM
Probably your lawyer is correct that you cannot take advantage of family leave (maternity act) with less number of employees in the company than required for that.

From what I understand about H1-B, you CAN take leave without pay - no problem with that...as long as you are on your company payroll i.e. your employement is not terminated.

Does any of you know what rights for maternity leave has a pregnant H1B visa holder? I want to stay home next year for 3 months to take care of my baby, then start working again.
From what I know I can only have the 6 weeks of short term disability.
The Maternity Act does not apply in my case because the company I'm working for has under 50 employees.
I asked my lawyer if I can take any unpaid leave without loosing my H1B status and her answer was that I can change my visa to H4 or become a part time employee for a while. I do not like any of this options because I'm in my I140 stage with my green card and I do not want to lose it at this stage, after waiting for years to get my labor cert approval.
Your answer would be appreciated.

Thanks

somegchuh
10-17-2006, 02:54 PM
Well my story isn't really as bad some of the stories described here but the last 4 years of waiting for the freaking LC to clear has pretty much screwed up my wife's career. There have been days of utter frustration, fight and bad days for us because of the "dependent" visa.

Its not like my job is great either. I am stuck in the same position for the last 5 years because of the freaking labor certification. Looks like I will be stuck for another couple of years. If I bail out now and leave for India it will be hard to find a suitable position because I have been unable to move up because of GC and at the same time my wife will have the impossible task of finding a job after 4 years of unemployment.

For this reason I am wiling to gamble at least another year or two, so that my wife can work and I can get a better job and then we can start thinking about where we really want to settle :) Gosh, never knew trying to settle in US with a GC will be so unsettling :(

eb3India
10-17-2006, 03:25 PM
Well my story isn't really as bad some of the stories described here but the last 4 years of waiting for the freaking LC to clear has pretty much screwed up my wife's career. There have been days of utter frustration, fight and bad days for us because of the "dependent" visa.

Its not like my job is great either. I am stuck in the same position for the last 5 years because of the freaking labor certification. Looks like I will be stuck for another couple of years. If I bail out now and leave for India it will be hard to find a suitable position because I have been unable to move up because of GC and at the same time my wife will have the impossible task of finding a job after 4 years of unemployment.

For this reason I am wiling to gamble at least another year or two, so that my wife can work and I can get a better job and then we can start thinking about where we really want to settle :) Gosh, never knew trying to settle in US with a GC will be so unsettling :(

Gar Gar ki yahi kahani, ( it's typical story for any immigrant family),

main issue for us now we had invested so much time on this f** GC, we can't bail out now, feel like we are so close,

for myself I don't have that much energy left in me to go back to start allover in India, worest case scenario I just want to stay couple of more years and save as much as possible and go back to India for semi/retirement

GCwaitforever
10-17-2006, 06:07 PM
maybe some day in the not too distant future, when the days of bonded H-1b labor end, a person who has lost time and passed up opportunites can actually go to a court and sue DOL and USCIS for damages and opportunity costs.

Not only the opportunity costs, there are real costs also. My salary is frozen because I reached highest possible in my current role. Till I get the Greencard, I will be loosing real money.

somegchuh
10-17-2006, 06:17 PM
Honestly, I am tired too. I have canadian PR but I am not even sure if I want to go there now and start afresh there. Maybe I should think about semi/retirement in India too.

Gar Gar ki yahi kahani, ( it's typical story for any immigrant family),

main issue for us now we had invested so much time on this f** GC, we can't bail out now, feel like we are so close,

for myself I don't have that much energy left in me to go back to start allover in India, worest case scenario I just want to stay couple of more years and save as much as possible and go back to India for semi/retirement

TheOmbudsman
10-17-2006, 06:33 PM
Desibechara,

I am very sorry. I know exactly what you have been through. My wife also experienced a very complicated pregnancy. My baby *nearly* was born prematurily. Then Thanks God that did not happen. I felt all the pain because my wife was kept flat on bed rest for 4 months.

To make things more complicated, the doctors made an apparent mistake and mixed two type of incompatible medicines which made her develop fluids in her lungs. She was transferred to another hospital, in which a young doctor, an intern, believed she had developed a blood clot on her lung ! She was submitted to several exams to determine that was not a blood clot.

The bill for all that ? $40,000+. If I had to pay that on my own, I would be in bad shape.

In this country is dog eat dog, rat eat rat. It is about money. I am still happier here than in Canada though. That varies from individual to individual though.

Good luck to you.



H1b humane-hear my story..it cannot be as inhuman as it can be..(i have written the story in one of the forums before also..)

My PD-Oct 2001..Eb3..My wife RIR-almost making it thru I140when all hell broke loose in our lives...my wife was pregnant and because of stupid gynaecologist..she ended up in hospital with complicated premature preganancy..guess what..as if it was not bad enough..her company got acquired just when she was admitted in hospital...imagine wondering about health insurance when she was kept to bed rest with no mobility allowed..we filed for insurance by mistake..which said that 20% in patient.....we were so shaken that even human resource did not advise us..guess what..baby was born..and it was surmised that baby will have long stay in hosiptal...2-3 months(eventually it was 4 months!)..somwhere around the first month..I realized that her insurance..will rip me off..I called right at the end of the first month..and tried several times to put my wife and baby on my insurance so that i don't end up paying 20%..it was lot of efforts until I found some desi in Blue cross insurance who put the whole family from the first initial month..when normally people get the policy for the following month at that time.

one down --and then another came..my wife was called to her office from hospital saying that..since there was lot of work in her office..she could come for some days..guess what..she went back..thinking..she could finish work and then take extended leave....guess what..she was laid off..and with baby in hospital..and lay off..plus a rush to change her status to H4 visa..imagine the workload.....finally got her status changed..to h4 visa..with GC and labor in trash...

I was so disgusted..that I started writing to Governor Shwarzenegger' office..who put me with Senator Diane Fienstein..and of course labor secretory Chao..after all the correspondings..all I got was my D number listed from Dallas..their sympathies...ALL I WROTE to them..Hey I want to change jobs because in those days I was commuting between LA to San Diego..where my baby was hospitalized...I wanted to be with my baby..and not work..but it was not possible..if I did..then I could get out of status...I even wrote to Department of Homeland security...and got no reply...they don't care..I ahve to be illegal to get sympathies..I guess!

Situation was bad..finally baby was out of hospital and I weathered all with help of Almighty...and now I am so disgusted with system..that I am moving to vancouver...

But I have another pleasant surprise..my boss wants me to work from vancouver and visit office once in a month...I don't know...whether it is possible...stay in vancouver and visit LA for 2 weeks and then go back and still maintain H1 status..

what do you say..after all the stress!

DB

felix31
10-17-2006, 06:54 PM
well, let me add my story but it is the same as others..

Hubby has already achieved the maximum in his position and would most probably have to pass any promotion opportunities, so his problem with the whole GC process is that he has to stay with current employer and continue to suffer professionally.

My problem is just like the guy's story few posts above. I have all teaching credentials and 3 years of teaching exp from my home country as well as US teaching License. Jobs are coming my way all the time, (my credential is from a shortage subject area), but H1 doors had closed forever due to the USCIS interpretation of the famous time issue for H1 & H4 visa holders. :mad: :mad: :mad:

When I got a job offer, by the time County HR made official offer, H1 quota ran out for that fiscal year. The same thing happened two more times. Oh, I forgot to add how I have been following my spouse over the country for all of his projects...
Then I read about people who actually change their mind and do not want to utilize their H1 after all!
Ha...!!

Even taking up a teaching job on J1 visa is closed to me...:mad:

Am I angry? You bet I am...
Not even an EAD in sight for another 7 years. Well, I am not going to sit around much longer. Just got word that it will take 60 days to transfer my US teaching License to Ontario and jobs are plentiful for someone with my content area as well.

As soon as I finish my Masters Degree I am off to Canada. :D :D Don't care for US or green card any more!

AuntyDan
10-17-2006, 08:55 PM
Spouse working - Yes, in theory they could allow H4 to work. However would that be any job? If so then the H4 would actually be far better off than the H-1B who is restricted by job category and employer qualification

Long term - Yes, in theory, a 20 year H-1B takes some of the stress off. But what of Citizenship? If you stay 20 years you'd want to at least have the option of becoming a US citizen. At present I believe only a GC holder has the option to progress to citizenship.

Employer based - This is the key. Unless an H-1B is no longer employer sponsored but self-sposored then the H-1B holder is still living on a knife-edge and can be sent back home at any moment if their employer fires them or goes under and they cannot secure another similar job quickly enough.

So yes, they could make H-1B 20 years, allow spouse to work, allow application for citizenship and make it self-sponsored and not employer dependant. But why do that? They already have this kind of Visa. It's called a Green Card.

dish
10-18-2006, 11:12 PM
Spouse working - Yes, in theory they could allow H4 to work. However would that be any job? If so then the H4 would actually be far better off than the H-1B who is restricted by job category and employer qualification

Long term - Yes, in theory, a 20 year H-1B takes some of the stress off. But what of Citizenship? If you stay 20 years you'd want to at least have the option of becoming a US citizen. At present I believe only a GC holder has the option to progress to citizenship.

Employer based - This is the key. Unless an H-1B is no longer employer sponsored but self-sposored then the H-1B holder is still living on a knife-edge and can be sent back home at any moment if their employer fires them or goes under and they cannot secure another similar job quickly enough.

So yes, they could make H-1B 20 years, allow spouse to work, allow application for citizenship and make it self-sponsored and not employer dependant. But why do that? They already have this kind of Visa. It's called a Green Card.


I disagree, GC has more .... Like doing business in here. and no need for getting visa stamps.

I would be happy if a visa like the TN-Visa made available to all not only to canadian and mexican nationals, though it doesn't have a Path to GC.

vparam
10-19-2006, 02:43 AM
I have been now for 7 years and still waiting... my wife who graudated law with top honors in a top university in india and was pracicing with a leading corporate law firm joined me in US and to make it good we spent around $65K on her law school graduation here and then another 15K on bar exams preparations for NY and CA. She managed to pull through all this. we decided to have a baby and take care of her wihtout day care the 1st 2years. now my wife sits home since she cannot file a H1 though there are willing employers becuase she has stayed here for 6 years on h4 and my llabor filed 2001 was still in BEC.... what can i do... i left a Director job in fortune 50 company and joined as consultant so that i can make use of a pre-approved labor, then another regression happend and i am still waiting to file 485. I just want to let my wife to work for a couple of year and make use of the effort she spent in her US law school and bar exams and want to return back to India.... but when can i get that 2 years.....

somegchuh
10-19-2006, 01:44 PM
Tell me about it. My wife didn't have a fancy law degree but she had a decent job before we got married and she came to US. She doesn't have any specific skills that will qualify her H1b but she has a MBA. So there isn't much she can do in terms of furthering her education. So she's been stuck at home for the last 4 years.

I have been now for 7 years and still waiting... my wife who graudated law with top honors in a top university in india and was pracicing with a leading corporate law firm joined me in US and to make it good we spent around $65K on her law school graduation here and then another 15K on bar exams preparations for NY and CA. She managed to pull through all this. we decided to have a baby and take care of her wihtout day care the 1st 2years. now my wife sits home since she cannot file a H1 though there are willing employers becuase she has stayed here for 6 years on h4 and my llabor filed 2001 was still in BEC.... what can i do... i left a Director job in fortune 50 company and joined as consultant so that i can make use of a pre-approved labor, then another regression happend and i am still waiting to file 485. I just want to let my wife to work for a couple of year and make use of the effort she spent in her US law school and bar exams and want to return back to India.... but when can i get that 2 years.....

msp1976
10-19-2006, 03:28 PM
My wife is has a bachelor's degree in Computer Science. She is on H4..She is at present pursuing her MS in Comp Sc..She would complete it next May..That degree is costing me a hand and a foot...
After that she is gonna start looking for a job...But the way the H1 caps are filling these days..I am not sure what would happen..

vrkgali
10-19-2006, 04:06 PM
If the H1B Visa allows you to work here for 20 years, if spouse can work on H4 visa, you can get in-state tuition for studying, and you can claim the money you contributed to Social Security anytime you decide to leave this Country --- WILL You be in the LINE for Green Card


Yes , These reasons are good for me , to leave the green card line.

pappu
10-22-2006, 02:47 AM
I revisited this thread today and saw several heartwrenching stories of some of our IV members. One way for IV to help you is through letting your situation be known to others via media. We have a few opportunities and if you are interested please send an email to himanshu at immigrationvoice.org. Do not PM me since my PM box gets filled very often.

It will not only help all of us generate awareness about our plight to american public, lawmakers too will be influenced by the magnitude of problems we face while waiting patiently in line for several years. I feel media is a great tool and we can use it very effectively when we all can get our message across in the world outside of this forum. Once we get IV members ready to volunteer for such interviews and to talk about their plight, IV will try its best to get their voices heard.

Jimi_Hendrix
10-22-2006, 01:45 PM
While this question may sound redundant, I want to make an honest attempt to understand it. How does creating media awareness translate into making politicians understand the complicated issues suffered by legal immigrants? Further do they give any weightage to the fact that the stories are in the media and therefore they need attention?

I am biased towards the opinion that we might have already run enough media stories. I believe that the real fight now is to convince the politicians to do something about it. Propaganda and lobbying is the only thing that works with politicians in this country. And you have to choose a medium that politicians directly refer to. Meeting politicians and their representatives in person is most effective I believe. With due respect to your views, Pappu, can we discuss some of these questions?

GreatLakes
10-22-2006, 02:03 PM
My spouse is in a situation where she has spent more than 6 years time on H4 furthering her education/skills and now she cannot apply for a H1. I had read sometime back on murthy.com that USCIS was considering decoupling of H1/H4 time. That should soften the blow of retrogression to some of us.

has anyone on this forum attempted to write to USCIS about it? I want to draft a letter - if anyone has done this before , please let me know.

Jimi_Hendrix
10-23-2006, 12:25 PM
I will see you folks after the elections.

BharatPremi
10-23-2006, 04:48 PM
To avoid the struggle for standing in a "Ration Card" Queue we opted USA and now we find ourselves in GC queue. Queue is our fate..:)

somegchuh
10-30-2006, 02:19 PM
dish,

Like I said earlier I pretty much feel the same way as you do. I want my spouse to be able to work for a couple of years before I think of moving back to India. But in reality having waited so many years do you think either you or myself will move back 2 years after getting the GC? Don't you think you will be tempted to wait 3 more years get the US citizenship and then move back? I have a few friends who are pretty much just waiting to get citizenship to move back. their argument is that we waited several years to get a GC and we don't want to just throw it away.

As for making H1B more humane I think it will never happen.

Most H1B holders get very good offers when they move back to their home countris after say 10 years. But the H4 spouse who spent al these years rotting in the USA again have to continue rotting....Their prospects are dim. So I want to get my GC. Let my spouse work here for couple of years and move back to my Own country.

So why not H1b made more HUMANE ?;) ;) ;)

qplearn
10-30-2006, 02:31 PM
While this question may sound redundant, I want to make an honest attempt to understand it. How does creating media awareness translate into making politicians understand the complicated issues suffered by legal immigrants? Further do they give any weightage to the fact that the stories are in the media and therefore they need attention?

I am biased towards the opinion that we might have already run enough media stories. I believe that the real fight now is to convince the politicians to do something about it. Propaganda and lobbying is the only thing that works with politicians in this country. And you have to choose a medium that politicians directly refer to. Meeting politicians and their representatives in person is most effective I believe. With due respect to your views, Pappu, can we discuss some of these questions?

I agree. Our adversaries and friends alike have noted the media stories. What we need now is getting in touch with politicians, and action!

somegchuh
11-18-2006, 03:41 AM
I just wanted to get this discussion back on track of ppl wanting to be able rise up a little, let their wives work and feel the freedom to make a decision to go back.

Let me restart the discussion. I know we are all frustrated to the extent that we want to pack up and leave but we have invested too much time to do that. But let's assume things start moving and we get our GC's in a year or so. Having spent so many years waiting to "settle" would you be willing to unsettle your life again and start over in a country that you left more than a decade ago.

Note that I am not doubting anyone's intention or disrespecting any entry. Just wondering if its the frustation talking or there are ppl who would actually leave?

dixie
11-18-2006, 04:51 AM
I think there are plenty of people who always planned to go back .. the GC /USC was just a career advancement tool for these people. In fact, a survey of US returnees to India after 2000 shows that the majority (around 60%) were USCs/ GC holders, which is clearly an indication that the relocation was by choice rather than any immigration issues.

There are many factors which make the adjustment/re-starting issues bearable : In many cases, the country you will go back to will be a much improved place from the one you left.Besides, many of us immigrated not because we were desperate to get out of our home country; but rather because at that particular point in our careers going abroad was the best way forward. After close to decade's worth of experience in USA, many find that the best way forward now is to go back to your home country .. thats becoming more and more common with globalization. And finally, many of us have family issues like taking care of aged parents which either makes the re-location inevitable or in some cases may coincide with career goals.

Personally, i think returning to one's home country solely because of retrogression is not advisable and has the potential to cause lots of frustration and disappointment.


I just wanted to get this discussion back on track of ppl wanting to be able rise up a little, let their wives work and feel the freedom to make a decision to go back.

Let me restart the discussion. I know we are all frustrated to the extent that we want to pack up and leave but we have invested too much time to do that. But let's assume things start moving and we get our GC's in a year or so. Having spent so many years waiting to "settle" would you be willing to unsettle your life again and start over in a country that you left more than a decade ago.

Note that I am not doubting anyone's intention or disrespecting any entry. Just wondering if its the frustation talking or there are ppl who would actually leave?

english_august
11-18-2006, 11:11 AM
We all came here looking for greener pastures. But How many of you think this Country and this Culture is great ? Now think about the Economic Growth - The US is still the most competitive but they are not the Number One anymore.

Or maybe some of us came here precisely for the reasons you mention, seeking greener pastures but fell in love with the openness, informality and the possibilities here :).

A lot of people wait until they get green card and then make a move back home primarily because they are hedging their bets. They hear all those stories about growth and opportunity in India but are not so sure if they will able to fit in after staying away for so many years. Having a green card gives them the opportunity to test the waters so to speak and come back if it does not work out.

somegchuh
11-18-2006, 11:32 PM
Just out of curiosity how many of those 60% were citizens? I know a lot of friends who have put in extra 5 years to get the citizenship.

I think aging parents is probably the biggest and valid concern a lot of ppl have.
I think there are plenty of people who always planned to go back .. the GC /USC was just a career advancement tool for these people. In fact, a survey of US returnees to India after 2000 shows that the majority (around 60%) were USCs/ GC holders, which is clearly an indication that the relocation was by choice rather than any immigration issues.

And finally, many of us have family issues like taking care of aged parents which either makes the re-location inevitable or in some cases may coincide with career goals.


I have seen that most ppl who have been here for over 5 years have almost fallen in love with the possibilities. They talk about going back to take advantage of the booming growth but very few actually do go back.


Or maybe some of us came here precisely for the reasons you mention, seeking greener pastures but fell in love with the openness, informality and the possibilities here .

qplearn
11-19-2006, 05:24 PM
Do we have any statistics on people who have moved back because of retrogression? That might come in handy when we write letters or meet ppl in lawmakers' offices.