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november
09-10-2008, 08:04 AM
Data available in Mumbai consulate website

http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/cut_off_dates.html

Category India Most Other Countries
F1 15 April 2002 15 April 2002
FX 1 May 2001 1 May 2001
F2A 1 January 2004 1 January 2004
F2B 15 December 1999 15 December 1999
F3 22 June 2000 22 June 2000
F4 22 May 1997 22 October 1997
E1 Current Current
E2 1 April 2003 Current
E3 1 July 2001 1 January 2005
EW 1 Janurary 2003 1 Janurary 2003
E4 Current Current
E4-Religious Current Current

rajarao
09-10-2008, 08:28 AM
Data available in Mumbai consulate website

http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/cut_off_dates.html

Category India Most Other Countries
F1 15 April 2002 15 April 2002
FX 1 May 2001 1 May 2001
F2A 1 January 2004 1 January 2004
F2B 15 December 1999 15 December 1999
F3 22 June 2000 22 June 2000
F4 22 May 1997 22 October 1997
E1 Current Current
E2 1 April 2003 Current
E3 1 July 2001 1 January 2005
EW 1 Janurary 2003 1 Janurary 2003
E4 Current Current
E4-Religious Current Current

Great Job TSC/NSC and DOS.
One day 2006 applications are approved and next month you go into stone ages. What a wonderful system....

Junky
09-10-2008, 09:07 AM
Damn :mad:, I can't believe that USCIS will going to waste visa numbers again. Therefore friends please call congressmen to support HR5882.



Elton Gallegly (R-Calif.)202- 225-5811
Darrell Issa (R-Calif.)202- 225-3906 (NOT IN FAVOR)
Dan Lungren (R-Calif.)202- 225-5716
Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) 202-225-5911
Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.)202- 225-4176
Rick Boucher (D-Va.) 202-225-3861
Robert C. Scott (D-Va.) (202) 225-8351
Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.)202- 225-5431
J. Randy Forbes (R-Va.)202- 225-6365
Tom Feeney (R-Fla.) 202-225-2706
Ric Keller (R-Fla.)202- 225-2176
Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) 202-225-3035
Lamar S. Smith (R-Texas), Ranking Member 202- 225-6906/ 202- 225-4236
Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) 202-225-2676
Betty Sutton (D-Ohio) 202-225-3401
Chris Cannon (R-Utah)202- 225-7751
Steve Chabot (R-Ohio) 202-225-2216
Howard Coble (R-N.C.) 202-225-3065
Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.)202- 225-3265
John Conyers (D-Mich.), Chairman 202-225-5126
William D. Delahunt (D-Mass.)202- 225-3111
Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) 202-225-4755
Trent Franks (R-Ariz.)202- 225-4576
Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.)202- 225-8203
Steve King (R-Iowa)202- 225-4426 (NOT IN FAVOR)
Mike Pence (R-Ind.) 202-225-3021
Howard L. Berman (D-Calif.) 202-225-4695
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) 202-225-7931 (IN FAVOR - Reported by IV member new_horizon)
Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.) 202- 225-2906 (IN FAVOR - Reported by IV members cnag & Prashant)
Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) 202-225-2201 (IN FAVOR - Reported by IV member little_willy)
Anthony D. Weiner (D-N.Y.) 202-225-6616 (IN FAVOR - Reported by IV member punjabi77)
Robert Wexler (D-Fla.) 202-225-3001 (IN FAVOR - Reported by IV member punjabi77)
Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) 202-225-1605 (IN FAVOR - Reported by IV member punjabi77)
Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.)202- 225-3072 (ALREADY SPONSOR DO NOT CALL)
Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) 202-225-5101 (ALREADY COSPONSOR DO NOT CALL)
Linda Sanchez (D-Calif.) 202-225-6676 (ALREADY COSPONSOR DO NOT CALL)
Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) 202-225-5635 (ALREADY COSPONSOR DO NOT CALL)
Artur Davis (D-Ala.) 202-225-2665 (ALREADY COSPONSOR DO NOT CALL)
Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas)202- 225-3816 (ALREADY COSPONSOR DO NOT CALL)
Melvin L. Watt (D-N.C.)202- 225-1510 (ALREADY COSPONSOR DO NOT CALL)


Data available in Mumbai consulate website

http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/cut_off_dates.html

Category India Most Other Countries
F1 15 April 2002 15 April 2002
FX 1 May 2001 1 May 2001
F2A 1 January 2004 1 January 2004
F2B 15 December 1999 15 December 1999
F3 22 June 2000 22 June 2000
F4 22 May 1997 22 October 1997
E1 Current Current
E2 1 April 2003 Current
E3 1 July 2001 1 January 2005
EW 1 Janurary 2003 1 Janurary 2003
E4 Current Current
E4-Religious Current Current

n2b
09-10-2008, 09:50 AM
The greatness of USCIS is unbelievable!!!!!

When the dates move ahead, to say 2006, the 485s that get approved the most are for people whose PDs are in 2006. The 2004-2005 folks just have to keep starring!!! Then all of a sudden dates fall back to 2003...now only god knows who is yet to be approved in EB2-India before April 2003.

So what it seems like is when the dates move ahead drastically all the people who most recently applied will get approved and for the people who are stuck in backlog will see approvals only if the dates stick around their dates for atleast over a year....until then USCIS doesn't even realize that oh these people are still in queue and we need to approve them!!!

Such a BS to deal with all because of USCIS' GRACE!!!!

jsb
09-10-2008, 09:55 AM
The greatness of USCIS is unbelievable!!!!!

When the dates move ahead, to say 2006, the 485s that get approved the most are for people whose PDs are in 2006. The 2004-2005 folks just have to keep starring!!! Then all of a sudden dates fall back to 2003...now only god knows who is yet to be approved in EB2-India before April 2003.

So what it seems like is when the dates move ahead drastically all the people who most recently applied will get approved and for the people who are stuck in backlog will see approvals only if the dates stick around their dates for atleast over a year....until then USCIS doesn't even realize that oh these people are still in queue and we need to approve them!!!

Such a BS to deal with all because of USCIS' GRACE!!!!

Question is, can something be done about it? - USCIS not following any order !!

DSLStart
09-10-2008, 10:30 AM
EB2 dates moving back more than 5 years is really sickening. Lets just only hope that they've used and alloted visa numbers already to approvable cases and see approvals coming through...

lifesucksinUS
09-10-2008, 10:35 AM
It certainly is a bad news..
guys my PD is april 2004, does that mean I stand no chance. I had RFE on 08/14.Should I still keep hopes till the end of the month, or its all over for me till my date gets current again...Senior members plsssssssss respond...

reddymjm
09-10-2008, 10:39 AM
The greatness of USCIS is unbelievable!!!!!

When the dates move ahead, to say 2006, the 485s that get approved the most are for people whose PDs are in 2006. The 2004-2005 folks just have to keep starring!!! Then all of a sudden dates fall back to 2003...now only god knows who is yet to be approved in EB2-India before April 2003.

So what it seems like is when the dates move ahead drastically all the people who most recently applied will get approved and for the people who are stuck in backlog will see approvals only if the dates stick around their dates for atleast over a year....until then USCIS doesn't even realize that oh these people are still in queue and we need to approve them!!!

Such a BS to deal with all because of USCIS' GRACE!!!!
They most of the approvals are of US Master degree and above as it is straight fwd EB2 no need to verify skill set etc..

rajeshalex
09-10-2008, 10:40 AM
This is really a bad news especially for those whose PD is between 2004-2005.Its like those who are waiting for a long time are being asked to wait more!!

conundrum
09-10-2008, 10:41 AM
Other than the visa recapture, I guess at this point there isn't a whole lot we can do. I guess when we applied for GC we basically pawned our life to USCIS.

It is kind of sad that when they had visa available they weren't able to approve the cases before April '03. Pathetic!!

Enough of venting.... hopefully things might work out for the better this year!

sparky_jones
09-10-2008, 10:45 AM
Looks like last night's particle accelerator experiement sent us back in time!:D

bharani
09-10-2008, 10:48 AM
I am in EB2 with a US Master's degree. My priority date is April 2006 and my case is not approved. Many of friends same boat as me are not approved.

So "reddymjm" I don't think all US Master's degree in EB2 are approved.

akhilmahajan
09-10-2008, 10:51 AM
Please call congressmen to support HR5882.

Elton Gallegly (R-Calif.)202- 225-5811
Darrell Issa (R-Calif.)202- 225-3906 (NOT IN FAVOR)- DEFINTELY CALL AND TRY TO CONVINCE
Dan Lungren (R-Calif.)202- 225-5716
Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) 202-225-5911
Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.)202- 225-4176
Rick Boucher (D-Va.) 202-225-3861
Robert C. Scott (D-Va.) (202) 225-8351
Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.)202- 225-5431
J. Randy Forbes (R-Va.)202- 225-6365
Tom Feeney (R-Fla.) 202-225-2706
Ric Keller (R-Fla.)202- 225-2176
Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) 202-225-3035
Lamar S. Smith (R-Texas), Ranking Member 202- 225-6906/ 202- 225-4236
Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) 202-225-2676
Betty Sutton (D-Ohio) 202-225-3401
Chris Cannon (R-Utah)202- 225-7751
Steve Chabot (R-Ohio) 202-225-2216
Howard Coble (R-N.C.) 202-225-3065
Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.)202- 225-3265
John Conyers (D-Mich.), Chairman 202-225-5126
William D. Delahunt (D-Mass.)202- 225-3111
Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) 202-225-4755
Trent Franks (R-Ariz.)202- 225-4576
Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.)202- 225-8203
Steve King (R-Iowa)202- 225-4426 (NOT IN FAVOR)- DEFINTELY CALL AND TRY TO CONVINCE
Mike Pence (R-Ind.) 202-225-3021
Howard L. Berman (D-Calif.) 202-225-4695
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) 202-225-7931 (IN FAVOR - Reported by IV member new_horizon)
Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.) 202- 225-2906 (IN FAVOR - Reported by IV members cnag & Prashant)
Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) 202-225-2201 (IN FAVOR - Reported by IV member little_willy)
Anthony D. Weiner (D-N.Y.) 202-225-6616 (IN FAVOR - Reported by IV member punjabi77)
Robert Wexler (D-Fla.) 202-225-3001 (IN FAVOR - Reported by IV member punjabi77)
Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) 202-225-1605 (IN FAVOR - Reported by IV member punjabi77)
GO IV GO.

Junky
09-10-2008, 10:53 AM
:D:D:D:D:D
Looks like last night's particle accelerator experiement sent us back in time!:D

reddymjm
09-10-2008, 10:56 AM
I am in EB2 with a US Master's degree. My priority date is April 2006 and my case is not approved. Many of friends same boat as me are not approved.

So "reddymjm" I don't think all US Master's degree in EB2 are approved.

I meant most of the approvals are US Master Degrees.

jchan
09-10-2008, 11:00 AM
Looks like last night's particle accelerator experiement sent us back in time!:D

haha this is a good one :)

chanduv23
09-10-2008, 11:01 AM
They most of the approvals are of US Master degree and above as it is straight fwd EB2 no need to verify skill set etc..

Not quite true - this is done at 140 not 485

Green_Always
09-10-2008, 11:13 AM
All due to Sub Labour 485 Applications sent during July 2007.

What a wonderful system and process of USCIS where a legitimate applicant has to wait and keep on waiting..

reddymjm
09-10-2008, 11:28 AM
Not quite true - this is done at 140 not 485

Yes. By Law and by the Book. But I just saw in my friend circle. Most of them were US Masters.

saileshdude
09-10-2008, 11:33 AM
Yes. By Law and by the Book. But I just saw in my friend circle. Most of them were US Masters.

I don't what how you define "most" but I am EB2 with US masters with PD 2006 and I am still waiting. Many of my friends with US masters are still waiting.

rsayed
09-10-2008, 11:38 AM
I don't what how you define "most" but I am EB2 with US masters with PD 2006 and I am still waiting. Many of my friends with US masters are still waiting.

Same here - Masters from US, with PD 2006....Stilllllllllllllllll waiting!!!!!

I was reading an article handed over by my Lawyer sometime back - the whole GC process was designed to be completed in 6 mos. end-to-end.

This goes to show how outdated the process is, plus the resource crunch they may be facing at USCIS.

All in all - it's a black hole...only your 'karma' can get you out of it:)

saileshdude
09-10-2008, 11:43 AM
I think these guys are just playing with our minds. They know how many applications are pending. At least they have a estimate and idea.

Now they will sit on these pending applications until the end of year and then suddenly move dates 2-3 years ahead and approve some GCs. Few will be happy and most of us will be disappointed.

texanguy
09-10-2008, 11:43 AM
you still have till end of this month...

I don't what how you define "most" but I am EB2 with US masters with PD 2006 and I am still waiting. Many of my friends with US masters are still waiting.

perm
09-10-2008, 11:47 AM
The greatness of USCIS is unbelievable!!!!!

When the dates move ahead, to say 2006, the 485s that get approved the most are for people whose PDs are in 2006. The 2004-2005 folks just have to keep starring!!! Then all of a sudden dates fall back to 2003...now only god knows who is yet to be approved in EB2-India before April 2003.

So what it seems like is when the dates move ahead drastically all the people who most recently applied will get approved and for the people who are stuck in backlog will see approvals only if the dates stick around their dates for atleast over a year....until then USCIS doesn't even realize that oh these people are still in queue and we need to approve them!!!

Such a BS to deal with all because of USCIS' GRACE!!!!


So, are we guys just sit and watch?? and post replies here?

eeezzz
09-10-2008, 11:50 AM
Look at this VB a different way. They don't have a good system to do FIFO so this is the alternative way to do FIFO. Those people who have much older PD probably will appreciate this bulletin.

transpass
09-10-2008, 12:13 PM
EB2 with US masters here
PD 2004
case is straight a heterosexual & white as the alaskan snow
-- not approved yet.

Me too....PD 2005, case is straight, US degree...I am also white, but it's just that I drink too much coffee and look brown...:D:D:D

mpadapa
09-10-2008, 12:14 PM
Inspite of the new spillover policy and the additional FB visa's the EB2-I has retrogressed. This shows there is quite a bit of EB2-I demand. Regarding EB3I movement, donno when it will come out of the 2001 slump. The actual bulletin might show the ROW movement that could provide some hint to how the spillover can influence the EB2I forward movements.

Abhinaym
09-10-2008, 12:18 PM
I think these guys are just playing with our minds. They know how many applications are pending. At least they have a estimate and idea.

Now they will sit on these pending applications until the end of year and then suddenly move dates 2-3 years ahead and approve some GCs. Few will be happy and most of us will be disappointed.

Just curious, is it possible they have some reasoning to push applications to the end of the year? it'll be interesting to think of what could be the reason...

FSL
09-10-2008, 12:19 PM
This might be good news for EB3 ROW guys like me? PD AUG 2003 still waiting?
Any thoughts ? EB3 ROW visas were unavailable !!

NKR
09-10-2008, 12:20 PM
Just curious, is it possible they have some reasoning to push applications to the end of the year? it'll be interesting to think of what could be the reason...

There is no reason for this madness, stop analysing, it will drive you crazy..

texanguy
09-10-2008, 12:23 PM
:mad:why did i get a red dot for this post? now i cant access the chat...sucks

you still have till end of this month...

little_willy
09-10-2008, 12:25 PM
:mad:why did i get a red dot for this post? now i cant access the chat...sucks
Just gave you green... chat away...

HumJumboHathuJumbo
09-10-2008, 12:36 PM
I, for one, am happy with this Oct visa bulletin. This is how it should be. First give GCs to all those with < 2003 PD. You guys with 2006 and 2007 pd should be glad you even got to file I-485 and EAD. What are you bitching about?.

lifesucksinUS
09-10-2008, 12:48 PM
It certainly is a bad news..
guys my PD is april 2004, does that mean I stand no chance. I had RFE on 08/14.Should I still keep hopes till the end of the month, or its all over for me till my date gets current again...Senior members plsssssssss respond...

why do I have this red spot.. ?????:mad:

conundrum
09-10-2008, 12:48 PM
Same here - Masters from US, with PD 2006....Stilllllllllllllllll waiting!!!!!

I was reading an article handed over by my Lawyer sometime back - the whole GC process was designed to be completed in 6 mos. end-to-end.

This goes to show how outdated the process is, plus the resource crunch they may be facing at USCIS.

All in all - it's a black hole...only your 'karma' can get you out of it:)

Check my signature! I have a MS and PhD from here... be thankfully you are so far ahead with your processing!

I can understand your frustration, but try to empathize with guys who have PD before you and are stuck in this lousy system.

Humhongekamyab
09-10-2008, 12:49 PM
I don't know if anybody has noticed it but the dates for EB-2 for VB October 2007 was April 1, 2004 and for VB October 2008 is April 1, 2003. That is a retrogression of 1 year - not good. :mad:

n2b
09-10-2008, 12:53 PM
They most of the approvals are of US Master degree and above as it is straight fwd EB2 no need to verify skill set etc..

My wife and I, we both have MS from US unversities....I think that's straight forward!!! But still waiting....:(

saveimmigration
09-10-2008, 12:55 PM
The worst thing that can happen is it retrogresses further next month. I think it will move at a slow pace until the "fiasco"season starts in July

vxg
09-10-2008, 12:55 PM
One thing for sure USCIS do likes April fools day a lot as this the date they usually pick when the retrogress. This proves that a fool named DOS in love with April fools day.:)
I don't know if anybody has noticed it but the dates for EB-2 for VB October 2007 was April 1, 2004 and for VB October 2008 is April 1, 2003. That is a retrogression of 1 year - not good. :mad:

ksrk
09-10-2008, 01:04 PM
They most of the approvals are of US Master degree and above as it is straight fwd EB2 no need to verify skill set etc..

While I can't speak for all cases out there, I can speak for myself and a few of my friends...Master's degree from US universities - CHECK, green card - NOT YET! (the wait continues).

a1b2c3
09-10-2008, 01:08 PM
Just when you thought you had it you missed it :D

I think they will eventually open up EB2, unless their plan is to clear EB3-I first (which would not be unfair I think).
See one of my earlier posts, one of the core issues is the sudden forward and then sudden backward movements in the dates.
If the demand is anticipated correctly, there shouldn't be need for closing the window at all!

bhatt
09-10-2008, 01:19 PM
One thing for sure USCIS do likes April fools day a lot as this the date they usually pick when the retrogress. This proves that a fool named DOS in love with April fools day.:)

USCIS and DOS love to pick APRIL FOOLS DAY as cut off date especially for India :) is it coincident or !:eek:
Are they telling that we have FOOLED you, immigrants again and again.

bsbawa10
09-10-2008, 01:23 PM
One thing I fail to understand, instead of flower compaign why do not we go in for letter compaign. Write letter to DOS and USCIS with copies to members of the congress highlighting all their inefficiencies and inconsistencies. USCIS does not deserve flowers for what it has done to us and what it is doing to us. Do you get flowers and info pass appointment ? Does customer service speak nicely to you and give you right answers ? Do you give flowers to anybody who mistreats you in real life ? I know Munbai ...has impressed a lot but that was a movie. Have you ever realized what would have happened, had it not been a movie ? Things would not have moved at all.

minimalist
09-10-2008, 01:27 PM
I don't know if anybody has noticed it but the dates for EB-2 for VB October 2007 was April 1, 2004 and for VB October 2008 is April 1, 2003. That is a retrogression of 1 year - not good. :mad:
You see in the real world everything moved 1 year ahead from October 2007 to October 2008. So in USCIS world also it moved by 1year.

mita
09-10-2008, 01:35 PM
USCIS takes two steps(2 years) forward than takes three steps(3 years) backwards. When it takes forward steps, it confuses everybody by it's stupidness of approving later PD cases and than moves backwards after realizing it's blunder. In this whole process, we spend time analyzing, debating, chatting on what USCIS will do next but they throw all our logic out the window and go their own way. This whole process sucks!!!!
You see in the real world everything moved 1 year ahead from October 2007 to October 2008. So in USCIS world also it moved by 1year.

$eeGrEeN
09-10-2008, 01:38 PM
checking my rep.

a1b2c3
09-10-2008, 01:39 PM
I don't know if anybody has noticed it but the dates for EB-2 for VB October 2007 was April 1, 2004 and for VB October 2008 is April 1, 2003. That is a retrogression of 1 year - not good. :mad:

And then you must have also noticed that in Dec 07, it moved to Jan 1, 02.
Jan 00 in Jan 08, U in Feb-March and then April 03 in April 07.
With due respect, I don't think what you have observed really points to anything, either way.

Eventually, EB2-I will move forward, probably next April or so. And yes, this is all good old speculation, it doesn't mean anything really.

$eeGrEeN
09-10-2008, 01:40 PM
request to all help increase my rep. points////

LostInGCProcess
09-10-2008, 01:53 PM
Please help me understand this:

The Dept. of State's web site has the visa bulletin for SEpt 2008 as:

EB INDIA
--------------------
1st C
2nd 01AUG06
3rd U

And the US Consulate's web site at Mumbai has:

EB INDIA
------------
E1 Current
E2 1 April 2003


So, how come Consulates got the latest information? Why not post this on the DOS page too by the DOS?

I am so sick and tired of this whole process of GC. I am starting to question myself if this entire process of wait, is worth at all? If you are illegal, you are free in this country, if you are legal they scrutiny your papers with a microscope....I am sick, totally sick. There is a limit to patience, too.:mad::mad::mad:

jonty_11
09-10-2008, 01:57 PM
i predicted this....- retrogression again......

This was bound to happen....we need legislation ...not monitoring these forumsin hope that dates will move...

HumJumboHathuJumbo
09-10-2008, 01:58 PM
I, for one, am happy with this Oct visa bulletin. This is how it should be. First give GCs to all those with < 2003 PD. You guys with 2006 and 2007 pd should be glad you even got to file I-485 and EAD. What are you bitching about?.

I dont care about the red dots. I stand corrected. you guys are being selfish.

GCard_Dream
09-10-2008, 02:00 PM
The discrepancy is due to the fact that you are looking at visa bulletin from 2 different month. The bulletin on State department's website is for September and the one on Mumbai consulate's website is supposed to be for October.

Please help me understand this:

The Dept. of State's web site has the visa bulletin for SEpt 2008 as:

EB INDIA
--------------------
1st C
2nd 01AUG06
3rd U

And the US Consulate's web site at Mumbai has:

EB INDIA
------------
E1 Current
E2 1 April 2003


So, how come Consulates got the latest information? Why not post this on the DOS page too by the DOS?

I am so sick and tired of this whole process of GC. I am starting to question myself if this entire process of wait, is worth at all? If you are illegal, you are free in this country, if you are legal they scrutiny your papers with a microscope....I am sick, totally sick. There is a limit to patience, too.:mad::mad::mad:

amdn123
09-10-2008, 03:01 PM
I guess we have till September 30 to hope for approval.
PD Nov 2005.

H1Girl
09-10-2008, 03:08 PM
The discrepancy is due to the fact that you are looking at visa bulletin from 2 different month. The bulletin on State department's website is for September and the one on Mumbai consulate's website is supposed to be for October.

or, he/she should have compared them yester day as they were same as of 09/10

techskill
09-10-2008, 03:09 PM
I think they advanced the dates to 2006 not to approve the cases but to collect new applications with the new fees.They approved couple of cases only to show that they r working on old cases (2006 which is old for them or however they interpret).

Dhundhun
09-10-2008, 03:09 PM
EB2-I PD announcement, which is a black hole coincided with CERN Big Bang Machine. After watching History Channel (they explained details, how this CERN Colloider can create dark matters and black hole) in mid night, PD announcment turned morning bad.

USCIS is as chaotic as Big Bang and its announcements hits like Black Hole.

It was so bad news, that I could not see any further, what is happening to others.

FSL
09-10-2008, 03:13 PM
So what happens if your PD got current and I-140 approved? What happens next? Whats the next hurdle?

Thanks

mita
09-10-2008, 03:20 PM
I am not sure if USCIS will move beyond April 2004 until Jan 2009 due to the holidays and election and as someone said they want to take it easy. Even if they move the dates it does'nt help unless they approve cases with certain process in place.

485Mbe4001
09-10-2008, 03:26 PM
Please realize that HR 5882 is the only hope for now. I had mentioned in my previous posts that EB 2 I/C will retrogress in Oct (many said i was just saying this because i was EB3). This is not the time to be complacent or hope that USCIS will start dishing out visas and clear the backlogs. Help in working towards getting something done with the bills, the window of opportunity is very short.

s_r_e_e
09-10-2008, 03:29 PM
I am surprised that, many are surprised about the OCT dates! expected!

recapture or die! :)
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tabletpc
09-10-2008, 03:33 PM
How is that DOL website does not have this information...???

GoldRod
09-10-2008, 03:38 PM
Green card is a gold rod. anybody knows why?

paisa
09-10-2008, 03:40 PM
Guys,
Its only Green card and I am not sure why people get upset big deal. Nobody asked us to move here. And if there is a system in place we cannot be saying its bad and this and that. My PD is DEC 04 do I feel bad someone in 2006 gets it. YES. Is the system crappy yes. I have a MS in US. So all this hoopla about US ms are getting it and not us is wrong. The other question is should I be getting it over others who dont have a MS from US. I believe yes we should.

but thats my thoughts on the subject if someone does not like it I respect his thoughts.

dhesha
09-10-2008, 03:46 PM
Data available in Mumbai consulate website

http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/cut_off_dates.html

Category India Most Other Countries
F1 15 April 2002 15 April 2002
FX 1 May 2001 1 May 2001
F2A 1 January 2004 1 January 2004
F2B 15 December 1999 15 December 1999
F3 22 June 2000 22 June 2000
F4 22 May 1997 22 October 1997
E1 Current Current
E2 1 April 2003 Current
E3 1 July 2001 1 January 2005
EW 1 Janurary 2003 1 Janurary 2003
E4 Current Current
E4-Religious Current Current


Should we not demand resignation of USCIS Director?

jsb
09-10-2008, 03:56 PM
Should we not demand resignation of USCIS Director?

Yes, we should. What is going on is a major screwup. I wonder why it is allowed to continue that way.

jonty_11
09-10-2008, 04:02 PM
Remember this is the October VB...so thisis waht is in store for teh next Fiscal year..Oct 08 to Sept 09....so be ready for another year of drudgery....

Sometimein July Aug 2009, they will move dates again to prevent wastage..and again some lucky bastards will get thru...unlucky-always i.e. u and me...with continue to tread these forums....I need a break.............

jonty_11
09-10-2008, 04:04 PM
Yes, we should. What is going on is a major screwup. I wonder why it is allowed to continue that way.
no....if u hae been around long enough u know this is how USCIs works...with no regard for Rules...as they are not working for a VOTE BANK.....

Last year therer was the July VB fiasco..Thisyear its this...no surprises at all...they dont want to follow process...coz OMG that will need effort...just approve those whose files u can lay hands on.....with utter disregard for PDs....

masouds
09-10-2008, 04:10 PM
Remember this is the October VB...so thisis waht is in store for teh next Fiscal year..Oct 08 to Sept 09....so be ready for another year of drudgery....

I'd wait for the official bulletin and their forecast for the next few months before becoming really upset. I have bad stomach as it is. No need to get upset unless absolutely necessary.
YMMV.

GoldRod
09-10-2008, 04:11 PM
Guys,
Its only Green card and I am not sure why people get upset big deal. Nobody asked us to move here. And if there is a system in place we cannot be saying its bad and this and that. My PD is DEC 04 do I feel bad someone in 2006 gets it. YES. Is the system crappy yes. I have a MS in US. So all this hoopla about US ms are getting it and not us is wrong. The other question is should I be getting it over others who dont have a MS from US. I believe yes we should.

but thats my thoughts on the subject if someone does not like it I respect his thoughts.

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Agree with you. Nobody cares about this system, because it does not serve those who vote.
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dba9ioracle
09-10-2008, 04:17 PM
If you are seeing Light at the end of the tunnel (visa recapture), beware, It could be another train (almight uscis can ruin anything) approaching from other side of the tunnel.

optimystic
09-10-2008, 04:32 PM
People in the forum are talking a lot about visa recapture..

But how will this help if USCIS continues to disregard PDs utterly and just approve cases that they can lay their hands on....

Due to July 2 fiasco, pretty much everyone have filed I-485...Even those with 2007 PDs.

Say USCIS recaptures Visas, makes every category current and starts approving 2007 PD cases! Even worst, due to the every category 'C', may be 2008, 2009 (when it arrives) people start applying I-485 as well, and USCIS continues to consume all the visa numbers to to approve the cases of these lucky bas*$%^&ds (no offence!) with most recent PDs. How does this help you or me with older PDs waitin for years and years ! :(

even with recapture
- the visa numbers are not unlimited
- the processing power of USCIS is not unlimited

But
- The capability of USCIS to screw up at every opportunity seems to be unlimited
- And the number of lucky bas*$%^&ds who get approved despite newest PDs seem to be unlimited too :)

So , think visa recapture alone wont solve anything. We have to make USCIS accountable. Make them process cases fairly. Make them respect PDs.

vjkypally
09-10-2008, 04:48 PM
Fedup is an understatement. Zero accountability. After moving dates to 2006 now dates go back to 2003????????? Last year it started with date being at Apr 2004 and this year starts with Apr 2003????? This is beyond ridiculous!!!aaaaaaarrrghhhhhhhhhh.
P.S Its wrong to tell that guys with MS are getting their GC's before others. I have one and so do many others I know. There is no order guys...........

vjkypally
09-10-2008, 04:50 PM
Completely Agree with you. Rather have some process than none.People in the forum are talking a lot about visa recapture..

But how will this help if USCIS continues to disregard PDs utterly and just approve cases that they can lay their hands on....

Due to July 2 fiasco, pretty much everyone have filed I-485...Even those with 2007 PDs.

Say USCIS recaptures Visas, makes every category current and starts approving 2007 PD cases! Even worst, due to the every category 'C', may be 2008, 2009 (when it arrives) people start applying I-485 as well, and USCIS continues to consume all the visa numbers to to approve the cases of these lucky bas*$%^&ds (no offence!) with most recent PDs. How does this help you or me with older PDs waitin for years and years ! :(

even with recapture
- the visa numbers are not unlimited
- the processing power of USCIS is not unlimited

But
- The capability of USCIS to screw up at every opportunity seems to be unlimited
- And the number of lucky bas*$%^&ds who get approved despite newest PDs seem to be unlimited too :)

So , think visa recapture alone wont solve anything. We have to make USCIS accountable. Make them process cases fairly. Make them respect PDs.

bsbawa10
09-10-2008, 05:03 PM
Completely Agree with you. Rather have some process than none.

I agree 100% too. Just feel so helpless.

kumarc123
09-10-2008, 05:10 PM
I agree 100% too. Just feel so helpless.

After reading all your comments, I reached to a conclusion

We all are being fooled and frusturated by USCIS.

Now the question is, what are we going to do about it, keep complaining and whinning about it, or do something constructive.

Well I believe when we are all so knowledgabel about USCIS efficiency, what do we do next?


Well lets give out a big shout to something big, get some media attention and put pressure on USCIS. Unless we still choose to visit IV to express our frusturations and then logg of this webiste and continue to our daily cores.



Lets just wake up for one more time, and do something big, phone calls, faxes does not give us a public exposure, what we need now is public exposure, I have have been saying this for a while but no one seems to give an important consideration. Right now media attantion is in DC, and we can use that in our own advantage.


Thanks

optimystic
09-10-2008, 05:32 PM
To the commenter who red dotted with the comment

"bas*$%^&d - Take it easy. Either u want the system the way it is, or if u want it reformed, someone else has the equal right to get the benefit. I want the people with oldest PD's to get GC first; but please be nice to others.
"

I dont think I said anywhere in my post that I don't want "someone else to have the equal right to get benefit"...

What I actually said was in fact that everyone (not just some lucky ones) should have the equal right to get fair benefit within the scope of the existing set of rules that USCIS has itself put in place (Honoring PDs etc).

Please read posts carefully before commenting. And I personally usually refrain from giving red dots and comments in the backgroudd (Somehow it just seems a bit cowardly to me..but that's just my personal opinion).

And as far as bas*$%^&d, it was just a way of expression...Haven't you heard the phrase "You lucky bastard"

...although I agree people could percieve some element of frustration in there...and hence the 'no offence' additive in the brackets in my original post.

I would rather be frustrated at USCIS which richly deserves everone's anger/frustration, than at some unknown lucky bas*$%^&d :D

Now please go ahead and give me some greens so I can become eligible for the IV chat feature.... :D

Btw, I also came across a 'red dot vigilante', who gave me a red dot with the comment "I usually give red dots to people who complain about red dots" . (This was for some other post). Nice work sir...You seem to have a lot of time on your hands to do some vigilante work on the side lines :) . Please give some red dots to USCIS :D

ssa
09-10-2008, 05:33 PM
USCIS currently has no accountability at all. Nor do they seem to have any clue about how many cases they have in the queue. Just see EB2-I dates for all the 12 VBs for the 2008 fiscal year: It started at 1 APR 2004 then retrogressed back steadily till it eventually became "U" just to jump back to 1 Aug 2006 for the last 3 months! Now after one whole year of processing and approving some 20-30K green cards for EB2-I it is starting at 1 APR 2003, a full year back from where it began last year!! Meanwhile they have handed out thousands of green cards to PDs in 2006 when the rule clearly states they have to clear older PDs first! Care to explain, USCIS?

I know people are sending out mails and DHS-7001 forms on their own but these individual scatter-shot attempts will all vanish in a big black abyss of USCIS bureaucracy and fall on deaf years. Only chance to instill some sense in this adhoc process seems to be if IV as a whole organization takes up this matter with Ombudsman and influential congressmen/senators like Zoe lofgren. IV had been very influential in redressing excesses by USCIS in the past - turing back July 2007 fiasco was no mean feat! Can we have some IV action item from core for this?

I'm afraid unless we do something about it as a group there is absolutely nothing to prevent USCIS from doing the same outrageous thing year after year with little fear of any retribution. We will all be practically at complete USCIS mercy!

Finally, I'm nothing but happy for those who got their GCs in this last round of "Lotto drawing" - including those with PD much later than mine - but the prospect of being stuck in a black hole called USCIS year after year scares the hell out of me!

sprajulu
09-10-2008, 05:42 PM
Friends
We need to write letters to USCIS directors and inform them about USICS senseless activities like issueing the G cards to latter PD's and not touching the older PD files
more and more letters should be send so that they will realize atleast for future visas. other wise older PD people won't get GC's for ever

Sideliner
09-10-2008, 05:49 PM
I guess the reason for moving back eb2 I dates is strategic. Since they have the whole year to use the 140 K visas, they might be trying to start the year conservatively, trying to honor FIFO.

The aggressive movement of dates in last quarter was ONLY to prevent the visa number wastage.

whiteStallion
09-10-2008, 05:54 PM
I still don't get it how USCIS works...:( Guess its high time somebody from USCIS writes a book or whitepaper on this subject. Or some post-grad can try writing a thesis on this to get their PhD! :rolleyes:

optimystic
09-10-2008, 06:00 PM
I still don't get it how USCIS works...:( Guess its high time somebody from USCIS writes a book or whitepaper on this subject. Or some post-grad can try writing a thesis on this to get their PhD! :rolleyes:

And if he is a immigrant student trying for GC, then he could include his own biography in his thesis :D

conchshell
09-10-2008, 06:04 PM
In the past when we predicted the visa bulletin, people came up with estimated number of visas available and based on that predictions came through, which were pretty accurate.

Does someone know (vdlrao?) what is the rational behind this move? When new year 2009's visa quota is available, how come dates have gone so much backward. So far i was keep hearing that EB2 India will retrogress by couple of months ... but what we see in visa bulletin is a retrogression by couple of years. Are there so many people waiting between 2001 and 2003, that EB2 dates have gone back to 1 April 2003? Any thoughts?? As far as EB3 is concerned, I am speechless... god knows when these people will see any light at the end of the tunnel.

prashanthg
09-10-2008, 06:06 PM
I guess the reason for moving back eb2 I dates is strategic. Since they have the whole year to use the 140 K visas, they might be trying to start the year conservatively, trying to honor FIFO.

The aggressive movement of dates in last quarter was ONLY to prevent the visa number wastage.


I think the reason for the retrogression in EB2-I is obvious.
There are only 800 visas available for EB2-I for any given quarter (remember the 7% country quota). The spill overs from EB2-ROW and EB1 start only after few months.

EB2-I will move after the DOS looks at the unused visa numbers from EB2-ROW and EB1, hope fully next quarter.

There are no spill overs into EB3-I, so it won't move any time soon.

Note: I am not commenting on USCIS approving cases with later dates before older priority dates.

optimystic
09-10-2008, 06:06 PM
After reading all your comments, I reached to a conclusion

We all are being fooled and frusturated by USCIS.


.....


Lets just wake up for one more time, and do something big, phone calls, faxes does not give us a public exposure, what we need now is public exposure, I have have been saying this for a while but no one seems to give an important consideration. Right now media attantion is in DC, and we can use that in our own advantage.


Thanks


How about this -- http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21421

conchshell
09-10-2008, 06:20 PM
Considering 7% country quota and 26.7% EB2 quota of 140k, we get 2800 visa for EB2 annually. For first month this number comes out to be 234. Considering 1.2 dependents this means 106 families get GC under EB2.

I am sure they have more than 106 cases before the cutoff of 1 April 2003. This may also include people delayed by background checks.

But at the same time EB2 will get spillover from EB1 and EB2 ROW, so its expected that EB2 I will move forward. But how much that spillover is gonna be? Any data?

texanguy
09-10-2008, 06:23 PM
What this means, is that the december visa bulletin is the correct time to expect a major jump on the priority date. since the leftover visas (EB1 & EB2) from other countries for the first quarter will be used for the oversubscribed countries.


Considering 7% country quota and 26.7% EB2 quota of 140k, we get 2800 visa for EB2 annually. For first month this number comes out to be 234. Considering 1.2 dependents this means 106 families get GC under EB2.

I am sure they have more than 106 cases before the cutoff of 1 April 2003. This may also include people delayed by background checks.

texanguy
09-10-2008, 06:25 PM
i think they will have to wait till the end of the quarter to assign that quota, how would they know about the number of the prospective applicant ahead of time? They first have to make sure that "current" status people should get a visa number. Not a fact i like, but thats the way it is...
But at the same time EB2 will get spillover from EB1 and EB2 ROW, so its expected that EB2 I will move forward. But how much that spillover is gonna be? Any data?

sri1309
09-10-2008, 06:31 PM
Guys,

Now that the delay happened, lets ask for Citizenship, . We waited 10 years, played by the rules. And we have seen the drama for the last 3-4 years. So why do you want to do these calculations, spillovers etc. We must ask our fair share,,

Think,

Sri..

mita
09-10-2008, 06:31 PM
^BUMP^
I am not sure if USCIS will move beyond April 2004 until Jan 2009 due to the holidays and election and as someone said they want to take it easy. Even if they move the dates it does'nt help unless they approve cases with certain process in place.

ksrk
09-10-2008, 06:57 PM
Considering 7% country quota and 26.7% EB2 quota of 140k, we get 2800 visa for EB2 annually. For first month this number comes out to be 234. Considering 1.2 dependents this means 106 families get GC under EB2.

I am sure they have more than 106 cases before the cutoff of 1 April 2003. This may also include people delayed by background checks.

Hi Sachug22,
I think the calculation is made this way...
Total EB2 numbers = 28.6% of total number = 40040 (for all countries)
Available each quarter = 10010
However, per country allocation can't exceed 7% (of total number allowed per quarter, not of the 28.6%) - limits to 2450 <-- each for India and China.

Applying 7% of 28.6% of one quarter of 140000 (as you did) is severely restrictive (not that 2450 is a great number per quarter for the first and second quaters of the fiscal year).
Either way, your point might still hold that there are enough folks waiting (with PD prior to April '03) to account for these in October '08.

[In the hope that some analysis like this might release the pressure set upon by the latest announcement...]

hebbar77
09-10-2008, 07:08 PM
I was hopeful of GC soon. Now with OCT bulletin, I will let the GC come(or not) and use my EAD to get on with my life.
Let anyone bullshit with PDs etc.

hebbar77
09-10-2008, 07:42 PM
28.6% of 7% of 140,000 per quarter is 700 not 2450.

I greatly appreciate people doing visa number math. But guys, you are wasting your time. These guys dont do any math nor logic in the process.

ujjwal_p
09-10-2008, 07:55 PM
This will depend on two factors

Demand from EB1 and EB2-ROW
USCIS allocation strategy (Quarterly spillover or year end spillover)

From historic data I have seen some 15-25k visa spillover to EB2/EB3 India-China, this number varies based on demand of various EB categories each year.

With H-1B cap coming down in 2004 to 65000, demand should go down by a decent margin post 2004, since its the H-1B's which will lead up to the EB queue.

By the way Sachug/vdlrao, do we know if this will be yearly or quarterly spillover. If it is year end, what does this mean? September or July(beginning of last quarter)? And I am sure there is documentation about this new horizontal spillover method from USCIS, but I can't seem to find it. Could someone point me to that. Thanks!

ksrk
09-10-2008, 08:37 PM
28.6% of 7% of 140,000 per quarter is 700 not 2450.

Hi sachug22,
The 7% per country limit applies in the first two quarters independent of EB category. Hence the 2450.

Unless, of course you are again dividing that as 28.6% per category - suspect EB1 takes up 28.6% of the 2450...

Anyways, like several have pointed out, USCIS is beyond all this logic! :)

saveimmigration
09-10-2008, 08:56 PM
I greatly appreciate people doing visa number math. But guys, you are wasting your time. These guys dont do any math nor logic in the process.


agree none cares

BharatPremi
09-10-2008, 09:00 PM
EB3 -India: "Dukh Bhare Din Bite re Bhaia, Ab Sukh Aaio Re...":p
EB2-India: "Yeh Kya Hua, Kaise Hua, Kab Hua, Kyon Hua... Dil Ki Bate..":mad:

man-woman-and-gc
09-10-2008, 09:15 PM
Well....what happened was in line with what USCIS has done in the past..Last year they made the PD's current and then made it unavailable...this year they jumped the PD by 2.5 years and so the next thing was obviously to retrogress it back by 1 year behind the original date...

For the first time they have not surprised me !!!!!

optimystic
09-10-2008, 09:22 PM
EB3 -India: "Dukh Bhare Din Bite re Bhaia, Ab Sukh Aaio Re...":p

How so ??

You must have a EB3-I PD that is earlier than July 2001? I am hoping for good news myself this October or in the next couple months that follow :D

calgirl
09-10-2008, 09:26 PM
Is there any way of knowing how many visas (for GC) are left for this year?
When will we know how many GC's were issued (Employment based) this year?

punjabi
09-10-2008, 09:42 PM
Guys,

Keep the cool. USCIS is very unpredictable as we all have seen. Get ready to see the dates move forward pretty quickly this year! There are more chances to have increased visa numbers and things can only go UP from here on.

Watch the documentray "The Secret" and put your positive thoughts out there...

JazzByTheBay
09-10-2008, 09:51 PM
It was naive for everyone, including those with PDs in 2006/2007 (and - here's the funny part.. even those who recently filed... ) to suddenly expect the tap to be flowing with full force and everyone's AOS being approved magically in the months of August and September 2008.

We have historical data about the USCIS' efficiencies - but for those who believed (and I'm not excluding myself here... ), it was probably a welcome break, full of hope. It was great while it lasted.

In the process, we've lost focus on the bigger goals - HR 5882 being one of them.

When things were "CURRENT", all we could think of was tracking LUDs and claiming superiority based on an earlier PD or a "U.S. Masters... ".

Again, it's time to take a hard look at past successes and failures, question why we're still in this country, and if you have no doubts about that - get back to the business of pushing for legislation, imho.

jazz

Please realize that HR 5882 is the only hope for now. I had mentioned in my previous posts that EB 2 I/C will retrogress in Oct (many said i was just saying this because i was EB3). This is not the time to be complacent or hope that USCIS will start dishing out visas and clear the backlogs. Help in working towards getting something done with the bills, the window of opportunity is very short.

JazzByTheBay
09-10-2008, 09:53 PM
It doesn't hurt to dream... :)

jazz

Guys,

Keep the cool. USCIS is very unpredictable as we all have seen. Get ready to see the dates move forward pretty quickly this year! There are more chances to have increased visa numbers and things can only go UP from here on.

Watch the documentray "The Secret" and put your positive thoughts out there...

punjabi
09-10-2008, 09:59 PM
Its shocking!!! They've foolishly approved many 2006 cases and dont tell me it was unpredictable and now ppl with 2003 r still waiting....how logical is this? A bunch of A** H**** working there or what?


I know, this is very illogical. And very upsetting for the people who are waiting for a long long time. Hopefully, we'll see a shine in the clouds this year. A lot of people are aware now and have stood up against the "injustice" since last year, mainly through the efforts of IV.

And I strongly believe that higher is the volume of the prayers, sooner they get answered.

JazzByTheBay
09-10-2008, 10:01 PM
Then there's no point in being a member of IV.

When we've come together in an organized fashion, things have happened - although not as frequently and not to the exact extent that we've wanted.

If you believe nothing will change - perhaps it's time to move on and stop logging on to IV forums and worrying yourself silly about this.

If inaction and giving up is part of your nature, there's little help outside of therapy - no offense meant.

If we can continue to organize and keep working towards the goals, perhaps some headway can be made. Those who spearheaded such efforts knew it wasn't a sprint to the finish.

Question is...how much pushing would be needed when v very well know that whatever noise v make is never to be heard ???

mpadapa
09-10-2008, 10:21 PM
HR 5882 has the answer for the FIFO problem.
USCIS is pretty good with approving cased based on PD for 3/4th of the year and in the last quarter they for the "Hail mary" play and DOS gives a wide PD range during the last quarter for USCIS to play. Apart from recapturing wasted visa's HR 5882 also has an automatic recapture provision to avoid any future visa wastage. If this provision is in place then UCSIS/DOS will not be in a position to playing the "some how use up visa by sep 31" card to approve random cases.

Rather than focusing on HR 5882 many are still pondering about LUD's and sill day dreaming. The demand for visa's is much higher than the supply of visa's, it doesn't matter what new spillover policy USCIS adopts, it can only provide incremental improvements. For a quantum improvment in the situation we need a legislation and HR 5882 is the best option we have now.


Can some gurus answer this...
Is there some wording in any laws/rules that says USCIS, no matter what, should not be approving cases out of PD order?

OR is PD just a *guidance* to maintain some sort of FIFO and there are enough loopholes in the law that allows USCIS to skirt around them and approve cases with later PDs by claiming that they are actually doing us a service by not wasting visa numbers by approving cases any which way they can?

If its the latter, then we can't do much other than appealing to their conscience and ask them to do a fairer job.

optimystic
09-10-2008, 10:36 PM
HR 5882 has the answer for the FIFO problem.
USCIS is pretty good with approving cased based on PD for 3/4th of the year and in the last quarter they for the "Hail mary" play and DOS gives a wide PD range during the last quarter for USCIS to play. Apart from recapturing wasted visa's HR 5882 also has an automatic recapture provision to avoid any future visa wastage. If this provision is in place then UCSIS/DOS will not be in a position to playing the "some how use up visa by sep 31" card to approve random cases.

Rather than focusing on HR 5882 many are still pondering about LUD's and sill day dreaming. The demand for visa's is much higher than the supply of visa's, it doesn't matter what new spillover policy USCIS adopts, it can only provide incremental improvements. For a quantum improvment in the situation we need a legislation and HR 5882 is the best option we have now.

Good points.

However ...

How many visa numbers will get recaptured if 5882 gets approval and how soon (within this FY09 ? )

How many pending applications are there?

How many new ones accumulating every year?

Are there enough recaptured visas to cover all?

Agreed that with more visa numbers, and no potential threat to wastage of visa numbers, USCIS has no incentive nor tricky cards to play to justify their random approval bursts.....but will that be enough to prevent them from doing so, just because they can? I mean this is USCIS we are talking about.....Even with laws/memos/rules already in place, they are violating them left and right....

Whats to say that they won't try to reassure people that they don't have to worry about out of order processing because
- there are enough visa numbers for all.
- Though people may see delays, they will eventually all get their GCs
- Its faster and easier if they just grab the first box that is on the top of the pile, and approve cases from there rather than spending very limited resources they have to try to dig thru the boxes to find the cases with oldest PD.
- It will just be a minor inconveneince to the applicants...Their waiting times would drastically reduce from several years to only couple of years.

Would that be acceptable to us then?

If they say every body will be current, with free job movement due to EADs, and every body will get GC within 2-3 years absolutely. PERIOD. Just no gaurantees of FIFO processing. --- Would that be acceptable to us then?

parvatneni
09-11-2008, 12:50 AM
Hello november

Are u sure that "http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/cut_off_dates.html" is not any error ?

If yes! How come china status is not indicated explicitily as is indicated in travel.state.gov?

Does any one have previous month cut off date from this site ?

I am fairly new to this forum -Excuse my ignorence incase if this does not make any sense.

brahmam
09-11-2008, 01:10 AM
Hello november

Are u sure that "http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/cut_off_dates.html" is not any error ?

If yes! How come china status is not indicated explicitily as is indicated in travel.state.gov?

Does any one have previous month cut off date from this site ?

I am fairly new to this forum -Excuse my ignorence incase if this does not make any sense.

that is a consulate in India. and they dont bother to mention the chinese dates.

desi3933
09-11-2008, 04:43 PM
Its shocking!!! They've foolishly approved many 2006 cases and dont tell me it was unpredictable and now ppl with 2003 r still waiting....how logical is this? A bunch of A** H**** working there or what?


I understand your frustration. Since there is no spillover in the first quarter of new fiscal year, it was expected that PD would move back. How can you you expect 2006 PD for Oct when there is no spillover visa numbers.

Next year Jul-Sep 2009, PD should move to mid 2006 again.

My 2 cents.

inskrish
09-11-2008, 04:47 PM
I understand your frustration. Since there is no spillover in the first quarter of new fiscal year, it was expected that PD would move back. How can you you expect 2006 PD for Oct when there is no spillover visa numbers.

Next year Jul-Sep 2009, PD should move to mid 2006 again.

My 2 cents.

Hi Desi3933,

I think you misunderstood buddy's frustration.

vxg
09-11-2008, 04:47 PM
Next year Jul-Sep 2009, PD should move to mid 2006 again.

My 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

And than they will again approve 2006-2007 cases instead of 2003-2004, what a joke. The cycle continues and folks with 2003-2004 PD continue to wait.

jcrajput
09-11-2008, 04:49 PM
I don't understand how they calculate PD dates?
Can anyone help me here please?
Thanks

natrajs
09-11-2008, 05:37 PM
I understand your frustration. Since there is no spillover in the first quarter of new fiscal year, it was expected that PD would move back. How can you you expect 2006 PD for Oct when there is no spillover visa numbers.

Next year Jul-Sep 2009, PD should move to mid 2006 again.

My 2 cents.

Again on Next yr Jul 09-Sep 09 the DOS move the dates to Mid 2006 or Early 2007 and then the ineffiicient USCIS approve the cases with later PD's and leave the Older PD case

Until USCIS fix their system, it will be very hard , The Whole thing is unpredictable and much harder than winning a Power ball or mega million lotterry

natrajs
09-11-2008, 05:38 PM
Next year Jul-Sep 2009, PD should move to mid 2006 again.

My 2 cents.

And than they will again approve 2006-2007 cases instead of 2003-2004, what a joke. The cycle continues and folks with 2003-2004 PD continue to wait.[/QUOTE]

Well said

virald
09-11-2008, 05:41 PM
I don't understand how they calculate PD dates?
Can anyone help me here please?
Thanks
You just asked the million dollar question. I can tell you with close to a certainty that no one here can give you a 100% correct answer.

deshbhakt
09-11-2008, 05:57 PM
Why is everybody so freaking out? arent they going to release new visas for FY 2009 in October? My assumption is November's bulletin will take care of the cut off dates based on those visa numbers.

Please correct me if my thinking is incorrect.

chi_shark
09-11-2008, 05:59 PM
If you are from india, think of the parrot who can pull out your life from a set of tarot cards... thats how it works!

You just asked the million dollar question. I can tell you with close to a certainty that no one here can give you a 100% correct answer.

jcrajput
09-11-2008, 06:17 PM
To my understanding....USICIS should out source some of there work (mostly setting up PDs) to India...

sri1309
09-11-2008, 08:43 PM
How do I start a new thread,

Please help,

Thanks,
Sri.

bsbawa10
09-11-2008, 09:53 PM
. I am in a big favour of sending letters to USCIS and to congress men with some information about what USCIS has been doing. I am also in favour of sending some pamphlets. I have already prepared some. Please see.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...5&postcount=33

drirshad
09-11-2008, 10:04 PM
Every visa bulletin there is some information of the coming months processing that needs to be interpreted. The Oct 08 bulletin talks about the following:

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4357.html

E. EMPLOYMENT VISA AVAILABILITY

Item E of the May 2008 Visa Bulletin (number 118, volume VIII) indicated that many Employment cut-off dates had been advancing very rapidly, based on indications that the Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) would need to review a significantly larger pool of applicants than there were numbers available in order to maximize number use under the FY-2008 annual limits. That item also indicated that if the CIS projections proved to be incorrect, it would be necessary to adjust the cut-off dates during the final quarter of FY-2008. The CIS estimates have proven to be very high resulting in: 1) the “unavailability” of all Employment Third preference categories beginning in July, 2) the “unavailability” of numbers for China and India Employment Second preference adjustment of status cases during September, and 3) the establishment of many October Employment cut-off dates which are earlier than those which applied during FY-2008.

Little if any forward movement of the cut-off dates in most Employment categories is likely until the extent of the CIS backlog of old priority dates can be determined. It is estimated that the FY-2009 Employment-based annual limit will be very close to the 140,000 minimum.

reedandbamboo
09-11-2008, 11:07 PM
Every visa bulletin there is some information of the coming months processing that needs to be interpreted. The Oct 08 bulletin talks about the following:

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4357.html

E. EMPLOYMENT VISA AVAILABILITY

Item E of the May 2008 Visa Bulletin (number 118, volume VIII) indicated that many Employment cut-off dates had been advancing very rapidly, based on indications that the Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) would need to review a significantly larger pool of applicants than there were numbers available in order to maximize number use under the FY-2008 annual limits. That item also indicated that if the CIS projections proved to be incorrect, it would be necessary to adjust the cut-off dates during the final quarter of FY-2008. The CIS estimates have proven to be very high resulting in: 1) the “unavailability” of all Employment Third preference categories beginning in July, 2) the “unavailability” of numbers for China and India Employment Second preference adjustment of status cases during September, and 3) the establishment of many October Employment cut-off dates which are earlier than those which applied during FY-2008.

Little if any forward movement of the cut-off dates in most Employment categories is likely until the extent of the CIS backlog of old priority dates can be determined. It is estimated that the FY-2009 Employment-based annual limit will be very close to the 140,000 minimum.




Correct me if I'm wrong, BUT it was not until 2005 that the backlogs started to appear (owing to introduction of PERM?). What the hell have they been doing from 2005 until now?!!! WHY don't they still have a friggin' clue as to the number of cases in their system?

DAMN SLACKERS I SAY!!

instantinstinct
09-12-2008, 12:13 AM
This might be just a way from DOS to USCIS to say bring their house in order... do not advance dates until you know the what the accurate demand is.....

just my thoughts...

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Item E of the May 2008 Visa Bulletin (number 118, volume VIII) indicated that many Employment cut-off dates had been advancing very rapidly, based on indications that the Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) would need to review a significantly larger pool of applicants than there were numbers available in order to maximize number use under the FY-2008 annual limits. That item also indicated that if the CIS projections proved to be incorrect, it would be necessary to adjust the cut-off dates during the final quarter of FY-2008. The CIS estimates have proven to be very high resulting in: 1) the “unavailability” of all Employment Third preference categories beginning in July, 2) the “unavailability” of numbers for China and India Employment Second preference adjustment of status cases during September, and 3) the establishment of many October Employment cut-off dates which are earlier than those which applied during FY-2008.

Little if any forward movement of the cut-off dates in most Employment categories is likely until the extent of the CIS backlog of old priority dates can be determined.
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meridiani.planum
09-12-2008, 12:29 AM
Can one even file a lawsuit against USCIS ?? :D

this is the United States. You can file a lawsuit against ANYONE :D

DesiGuy
09-12-2008, 06:52 AM
yes, but u need lots of $$$ and TIME for a successful lawsuit.

reedandbamboo
09-12-2008, 08:20 AM
while you'll contemplate raising the funds and resources for the lawsuit AND try to figure out the rationale for the reverse movement in dates AND while you'll ponder the unfairness of it all, please visit this thread and join us in VOICING OUR DISSATISFACTION:

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21340

Junky
09-12-2008, 09:23 AM
Same loser MF AssHole give me a red with the remark. "gimme red!" for my following post
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