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singhsa3
09-11-2008, 04:43 PM
Dear Freinds,
USCIS has proven again that they cannot calculate or count. Don't you think they should be presented with this calculator to help them calculate.
http://www.amazon.com/REALLY-CALCULATOR-AUTO-OFF-RUBBER-KEYPAD/dp/B000QOJYWA/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=office-products&qid=1221162014&sr=8-1
Note the above does not have an option to add a message so and alternative could be
http://www.amazon.com/Brighter-Child-Math-Preschool-Workbooks/dp/076967609X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221181573&sr=1-2

Also DOS has a knack for turning back the clock, don't you think they are in need of this clock.
http://www.amazon.com/American-Science-Surplus-BACKWARDS-RUNNING/dp/B000KDYQFM

What is your opinion?

Note: This thread is to solicit you opinions on what steps could be taken by us as a community to bring more transparency and fairness in the USCIS system.

newuser
09-11-2008, 05:00 PM
I second that.

pbojja
09-11-2008, 05:10 PM
I m in ...They really dont know what they are doing ...How hard is it to find pending applications in thier database ?

Move to 2006 and approve 2006 cases and move it back to 2003 ...wow they really need help

NKR
09-11-2008, 05:14 PM
I m in ...They really dont know what they are doing ...How hard is it to find pending applications in thier database ?

Move to 2006 and approve 2006 cases and move it back to 2003 ...wow they really need help

This is frustating, I am yet to recover from the shock, I have started preparing to file premium H1 renewal next month. My PD is current but I have no hope of my 485 getting approved this month. I feel betrayed.

vik352
09-11-2008, 05:17 PM
This sounds like a great idea. It conveys our message and is funny which is why it will be picked up by media, that is exactly what we need. I am in.

pbojja
09-11-2008, 05:21 PM
We need to do some thing about it so that they dont repeat the same mistake again . Lets attach a message or real calculators along with flowers and start campign ..atleast we get the attention like we did in July 07

I know we are too scared of doing any thing because they have our applications to process ...I think this is the time to step up again ...

even though I m EB2 2006 applicant , I was so frustated to see 2006 approvals , how can they do that ? Why they move to 2006 in first place raise hopes and dash them in less than weeks ...

Come on lets do some thing..

eb3retro
09-11-2008, 05:28 PM
count me in too

praky
09-11-2008, 05:30 PM
Count me in. I think effort will be worth if we have more IV members participating.

imm_pro
09-11-2008, 05:32 PM
wow..what a novel and legal way to humiliate...yes i am in

guy03062
09-11-2008, 05:32 PM
This is really frustrating...moving EB2-I cut-off dates to Aug 2006, approving large number of 2006 PD cases and leaving 2003 - 2005 cases aside.

funny
09-11-2008, 05:35 PM
Count me in too..

pbojja
09-11-2008, 05:38 PM
Lets set the delivery date for Ocotober 2nd - Gandhi Jayanthi . I think thats the great day to express our opinion.

chintu25
09-11-2008, 05:40 PM
Singhsa

I am in

:mad::mad::mad:

funny
09-11-2008, 05:40 PM
Thats the only thing hadn't happened so far......and now we have it...People are blaming IV now...I hope this is not true.

http://www..com/discussion-forums/i485-1/124475663/last-page/

bharani
09-11-2008, 05:41 PM
Count me in

singhsa3
09-11-2008, 05:53 PM
I just got red dot from someone. My freind why not you reveal yourself . I am just suggesting some ideas, if you don't like it please have courage to discuss in open.

little_willy
09-11-2008, 05:56 PM
Thats the only thing hadn't happened so far......and now we have it...People are blaming IV now...I hope this is not true.

http://www..com/discussion-forums/i485-1/124475663/last-page/
Ignore these kind of posts. If you check his profile, he just joined yesterday and this is his only post. Many ppl who were banned from IV paint this false image of the core, but we all know better than that. Ignore and move on.

guy03062
09-11-2008, 05:57 PM
By the way, let me clarify that I have nothing against 2006 PD who got approved last month...but my frustration is against USCIS system who does not follow FIFO. Sorry if I have hurt someone's feelings.

This is really frustrating...moving EB2-I cut-off dates to Aug 2006, approving large number of 2006 PD cases and leaving 2003 - 2005 cases aside.

singhsa3
09-11-2008, 05:57 PM
In the past I have led delegations to Washington DC and held several meetings at my state chapter. It is time for new blood to step forward and take the reign of community leadership. Can someone please step to own this? I will support that person in every possible way.

hopefulgc
09-11-2008, 06:06 PM
I honestly think EB3 should be around beginning of 2004 or later
and eb2 possibly mid 2005 or later.

All the calculations point to that.

visa bulletins suck donkey ass.

totally meaningless without USCIS divulging backlog stats.




I m in ...They really dont know what they are doing ...How hard is it to find pending applications in thier database ?

Move to 2006 and approve 2006 cases and move it back to 2003 ...wow they really need help

singhsa3
09-11-2008, 06:10 PM
See http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15443

gc_on_demand
09-11-2008, 06:11 PM
Dear Freinds,
USCIS has proven again that they cannot calculate or count. Don't you think they should be presented with this calculator to help them calculate.
http://www.amazon.com/REALLY-CALCULATOR-AUTO-OFF-RUBBER-KEYPAD/dp/B000QOJYWA/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=office-products&qid=1221162014&sr=8-1
Also DOS has a knack for turning back the clock, don't you think they are in need of this clock.
http://www.amazon.com/American-Science-Surplus-BACKWARDS-RUNNING/dp/B000KDYQFM

What is your opinion?

What we are expecting after this calc. camp ? I dont think so they will revise bulletin nor they will give single extra visa above 140k. I think we should focus on HR 5882 .. We should send something to lawmakers.

Just a thought.

irock
09-11-2008, 06:12 PM
I'm in.

pbojja
09-11-2008, 06:17 PM
What we are expecting after this calc. camp ? I dont think so they will revise bulletin nor they will give single extra visa above 140k. I think we should focus on HR 5882 .. We should send something to lawmakers.

Just a thought.

I think they will improve the communication between USCIS and DOL . Dont you think it unjustice for 2003-2005 PD holders when they move dates to 2006 and approve 2006 cases ? cant they just move it to 2005 and say approve as many cases as possible for them ? why approve 2006 cases .

Yes focus on HR 5882 is very important but nothing wrong with this campign either ....Just my thoughts

singhsa3
09-11-2008, 06:18 PM
What about the issues like not following RD or PD?
What about being rude on the call?
What about the wild fluctuation in the bulletein?
Should we let these thing to continue?

What we are expecting after this calc. camp ? I dont think so they will revise bulletin nor they will give single extra visa above 140k. I think we should focus on HR 5882 .. We should send something to lawmakers.

Just a thought.

pbojja
09-11-2008, 06:19 PM
i have stopped giving a F**K about red dots. they honestly don't mean shit.

I agree , Even though I m a not big contributor , I have got so many reds in the past ...when you disagree with others opinion you just get a red, they dont dare to express

iambest
09-11-2008, 08:01 PM
I am in!!

funny
09-11-2008, 08:17 PM
I am in too...its not going to harm anything...

kevinkris
09-11-2008, 09:09 PM
I am IN.
Flowers are fine.
But may be we should send only few calculators and backward running clocks.
Say, for example 1000 flowers and only 100 calculators and clocks.

What you say?

bsbawa10
09-11-2008, 09:48 PM
Dear Freinds,
USCIS has proven again that they cannot calculate or count. Don't you think they should be presented with this calculator to help them calculate.
http://www.amazon.com/REALLY-CALCULATOR-AUTO-OFF-RUBBER-KEYPAD/dp/B000QOJYWA/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=office-products&qid=1221162014&sr=8-1
Also DOS has a knack for turning back the clock, don't you think they are in need of this clock.
http://www.amazon.com/American-Science-Surplus-BACKWARDS-RUNNING/dp/B000KDYQFM

What is your opinion?

My opinion is that USCIS does not deserve flowers or calculators. I am in a big favour of sending letters to them and to congress men with some information about what USCIS has been doing. I am also in favour of sending some pamphlets. I have already prepared some. Please see.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=288175&postcount=33

hebbar77
09-11-2008, 09:53 PM
I am in . What do we do. flowers with calculators or a simple math book seems a good idea.

singhsa3
09-11-2008, 10:14 PM
How about sending this book with the following message...(See changes in the original msg.)
http://www.amazon.com/Brighter-Child-Math-Preschool-Workbooks/dp/076967609X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221181573&sr=1-2

*****************************

TO
The Honorable Emilio T. Gonzalez (Director)
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service
20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20529
***************
My Message:
Hon. Mr. Gonzalez,
I would like to register my protest with you for not following an orderly method when approving I-485 applications. In the last two months, while the priority dates were current for several applicants from India in the EB2 category, most applications with later priority dates and later receipt dates were approved by USICS, causing deep concern and grief among those waiting patiently in the line before them.
This significantly reduces our confidence in the system. Thus, I am sending you this letter with a book as a symbol of protest and with the hope that USCIS will deal fairly with all the applicants as per the rules and regulations.
Thanks
My Name
****************
Note: On Amazon you must select gift option to add the message. No need to wrap it.

tejonidhi
09-11-2008, 10:26 PM
Who is uscis answerable to ? how about sending letters to all the congress man and senators asking them to raise theor voice about the functionality of uscis?
Can AILA take this and prepare a law suite for us?

I am ready to contribute.

pbojja
09-11-2008, 10:40 PM
Sent the book...See changes in the original msg.
http://www.amazon.com/Brighter-Child-Math-Preschool-Workbooks/dp/076967609X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221181573&sr=1-2

*****************************

TO
The Honorable Emilio T. Gonzalez (Director)
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service
20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20529
***************
My Message:
Hon. Mr. Gonzalez,
I would like to register my protest with you for not following an orderly method when approving I-485 applications. In the last two months, while the priority dates were current for several applicants from India in the EB2 category, most applications with later priority dates and later receipt dates were approved by USICS, causing deep concern and grief among those waiting patiently in the line before them.
This significantly reduces our confidence in the system. Thus, I am sending you this letter with a book as a symbol of protest and with the hope that USCIS will deal fairly with all the applicants as per the rules and regulations.
Thanks
My Name
****************
Note: On Amazon you must select gift option to add the message. No need to wrap it.

Absolutely , Do you have the address and responsible person for DOL,NSC,TSC? I just want to modify the letter and want to seek each ones responsibilty.

Lets get together folks and try to get some answers from DOL and USCIS , dont sit back and relax ..Its for every one ...lets get some thing kicked off

Stop Worrying ...Stop Talking ...Start Doing ...

Some may be worried to reveal identity ordering online ..lets buy 14 math books from local book store(or dollar store) and send 5 books to USCIS , 5 to DOL , 2 to TSC , 2 to NSC with name " GC aspirant from India or China" ...what do you guys think ? shall we kick this off this week end with differnt message to each one of them involved ?

praky
09-11-2008, 11:27 PM
Absolutely , Do you have the address and responsible person for DOL,NSC,TSC? I just want to modify the letter and want to seek each ones responsibilty.

Lets get together folks and try to get some answers from DOL and USCIS , dont sit back and relax ..Its for every one ...lets get some thing kicked off

Stop Worrying ...Stop Talking ...Start Doing ...

Some may be worried to reveal identity ordering online ..lets buy 14 math books from local book store(or dollar store) and send 5 books to USCIS , 5 to DOL , 2 to TSC , 2 to NSC with name " GC aspirant from India or China" ...what do you guys think ? shall we kick this off this week end with differnt message to each one of them involved ?
Thatz very cool... I'm in for this. Will send the books to USCIS n DOS folks.

JunRN
09-11-2008, 11:37 PM
I am in for this. This is not so expensive than paying the lobbyist. The objective is to catch media's attention and have our sentiments be publicized in major newspapers and tv news.

This is a novel idea and more cost effective than paying major newspaper to publish our sentiments. They will come to IV for interviews just like in the past during the flower campaign.

JunRN
09-11-2008, 11:39 PM
By the way, we can also send "relief goods" to Texas Center plus our letters of sentiment.

hebbar77
09-11-2008, 11:40 PM
when do we all send it? should we wait for oct 2nd?
Also is it a crime to send such letters in bulk to a govt agency?(kinda spamm?)

pbojja
09-11-2008, 11:58 PM
when do we all send it? should we wait for oct 2nd?
Also is it a crime to send such letters in bulk to a govt agency?(kinda spamm?)

Lets get it started this week end ..our goal should be getting follwoing answers from CIS and DOS ..

Dear DOS,
On what basis dates are moved to PD 2006 for India and China during Aug and September ? Is there a memorandum which justifies this move ?

Dear USCIS,
1> On what basis you are processing the applications ? Receipt Date,Notice Date or Priority Date ? How can you justify approving 2006 cases
2> How many 485 applications are pending for India and China , year wise ? Why is it so difficult to publish ? why are we in dark and guessing things ?
3>What the customer service is for ? your 1-800 number information is so use less ...Why can not they even inform us about our Priority date or Name Check cleareance ? And the service tickets are next to useless

Dear TSC and NSC ...

1> How come your processing dates are going back wards ? How can you justify that ?

Can some one please post the addresses ? I will send the books including letters this week end .

Dont worry about spam ..we have every right to express our selfs ...we are in free country as they say

praky
09-12-2008, 12:02 AM
Sent the book...See changes in the original msg.
http://www.amazon.com/Brighter-Child-Math-Preschool-Workbooks/dp/076967609X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221181573&sr=1-2

*****************************

TO
The Honorable Emilio T. Gonzalez (Director)
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service
20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20529
***************
My Message:
Hon. Mr. Gonzalez,
I would like to register my protest with you for not following an orderly method when approving I-485 applications. In the last two months, while the priority dates were current for several applicants from India in the EB2 category, most applications with later priority dates and later receipt dates were approved by USICS, causing deep concern and grief among those waiting patiently in the line before them.
This significantly reduces our confidence in the system. Thus, I am sending you this letter with a book as a symbol of protest and with the hope that USCIS will deal fairly with all the applicants as per the rules and regulations.
Thanks
My Name
****************
Note: On Amazon you must select gift option to add the message. No need to wrap it.
Singhsa3,

I believe Gonzalez resigned from the director of USCIS effective April 18,2008. We should be instead sending the letter to following:

Jonathan Scharfen, Acting Director, USCIS
Michael Aytes, Acting Deputy Director, USCIS

Pls correct me if I'm wrong.

transpass
09-12-2008, 01:01 AM
I personally think backwards running clock is the best thing to send...It hits nail on the head...The PDs are moving backward instead of forward...It is also a funny story for news media to pick up...Mass letters are also ok...

Regarding the fliers suggested by someone, I feel that calling them lazy would not help (Even though I agree that they do deserve to some extent). But on the otherhand they might take offense to that, since the IOs can say that at times, they work weekends and that they just follow what they are directed to do by the higherups...

Just my 2cents...

gc_buddy
09-12-2008, 01:09 AM
I am in..Terrific Idea

pani_6
09-12-2008, 01:23 AM
I wouldnt mind sending old bata slippers:D to beat themselves with

jung.lee
09-12-2008, 01:41 AM
Great idea, although I prefer the "Whatever Clock (http://www.amazon.com/California-Clock-Co-Whatever/dp/B00103ON5Y/ref=pd_sbs_k_5)" since their [USCIS] forward and backward movements happen for no apparent rhyme or reason.

hebbar77
09-12-2008, 02:00 AM
I wouldnt mind sending old bata slippers:D to beat themselves with

sorry mate, in this country good/bad opinion is conveyed in a good looking manner.

bsbawa10
09-12-2008, 08:36 AM
I wouldnt mind sending old bata slippers:D to beat themselves with

That is right. I said before and I am saying again. I am against sending flowers or calculators because.
1. They cost money (Some people may not do that just because of that).
2. USCIS will like those toys for their kids (Please come out of the movie mood, movies impress a lot but they are a lot different from real life). Believe me they will treat these things as wonderful gifts and we will end up spending time and money for these.
3. It will not make any difference to USCIS.
4. USCIS can always redirect all those flowers to orphanage or other places, what they cannot do is redirect our posters trying to put them to shame.
I have been appealing a lot about this. Why do not we have a letter compain along with posters which should put them to shame. These should not only be sent to USCIS, but also to the press, congressmen, president of US and yes the director of USCIS. I have created several posters here.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_124c6jh9dg6&invite=mqk525
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_127xvp53jdx&invite=cn4gjw5
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_12895rfwtcw&invite=g7kcrzz
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_130cvdpx4cg&invite=7bb9vs
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_132g6jcsffz&invite=hczhh8x
The letter campaign thread is
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21340

Does anybody here agree with me ? Singhsa, your thoughts ?

singhsa3
09-12-2008, 11:01 AM
Let us continue a debate on
a) Pros of this idea
b) Cons of this idea
c) Alternative we might have.

Also, please do not get emotionally attach to an idea let democratically select that is best for the community.
Please limit to those ideas that are executable and within the bounds of law.


The campaign will fail in my opinion. Because anytime you ask people to spend money, many will not. Such activity and motivation for the campaign will die out next week when visa bulletin fever is over. We will again get agitated next month same time. So unless we figure out a campaign idea that costs us no money, it is bound to fail. I am for a phone call campaign. Or if we really want to do something big, we should do a rally in DC with 10 thousand members.

That is right. I said before and I am saying again. I am against sending flowers or calculators because.
1. They cost money (Some people may not do that just because of that).
2. USCIS will like those toys for their kids (Please come out of the movie mood, movies impress a lot but they are a lot different from real life). Believe me they will treat these things as wonderful gifts and we will end up spending time and money for these.
3. It will not make any difference to USCIS.
4. USCIS can always redirect all those flowers to orphanage or other places, what they cannot do is redirect our posters trying to put them to shame.
I have been appealing a lot about this. Why do not we have a letter compain along with posters which should put them to shame. These should not only be sent to USCIS, but also to the press, congressmen, president of US and yes the director of USCIS. I have created several posters here.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_124c6jh9dg6&invite=mqk525
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_127xvp53jdx&invite=cn4gjw5
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_12895rfwtcw&invite=g7kcrzz
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_130cvdpx4cg&invite=7bb9vs
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_132g6jcsffz&invite=hczhh8x
The letter campaign thread is
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21340

Does anybody here agree with me ? Singhsa, your thoughts ?

gc_buddy
09-12-2008, 11:02 AM
The mere things that we are trying to use in the campaign do not cost more than $10.

Guys, Every penny is worth spending. Try looking back at the flower campaign that we did back in July 2007 and the magic it made..

bsbawa10
09-12-2008, 11:03 AM
The campaign will fail in my opinion. Because anytime you ask people to spend money, many will not. Such activity and motivation for the campaign will die out next week when visa bulletin fever is over. We will again get agitated next month same time. So unless we figure out a campaign idea that costs us no money, it is bound to fail. I am for a phone call campaign. Or if we really want to do something big, we should do a rally in DC with 10 thousand members.


I agree that calculator /flower campaign can fail. But poster (actually pamphlet) and letter campaign will cost only 41 cents stamp from us.

newuser
09-12-2008, 11:07 AM
I doubt how effective a letter campaign would be.

We did letter campaign's couple of times and it didn't bring any coverage or change.

I still believe a clock (backward or distorted) is a good idea.


I agree that calculator /flower campaign can fail. But poster (actually pamphlet) and letter campaign will cost only 41 cents stamp from us.

singhsa3
09-12-2008, 11:10 AM
Hi Bawa,
Your idea is good to but please be also open to other ideas. You don't know what will fail or pass. The prime objective is to attract media attention, in other words "give them something to talk about". What flower campaing did last year was exactly that...Can we achieve the same thing with Book or Calculators or Clock or Poster, we need to figure that out!

I agree that calculator /flower campaign can fail. But poster (actually pamphlet) and letter campaign will cost only 41 cents stamp from us.

bsbawa10
09-12-2008, 11:12 AM
I doubt how effective a letter campaign would be.

We did letter campaign's couple of times and it didn't bring any coverage or change.

I still believe a clock (backward or distorted) is a good idea.

It is not letter only, it is sending pamphlets along with the letters which is meant to put them to shame. (zero cost). Please see the sample pamphlets from my earlier posts.

transpass
09-12-2008, 11:19 AM
Hi Bawa,
Your idea is good to but please be also open to other ideas. You don't know what will fail or pass. The prime objective is to attract media attention, in other words "give them something to talk about". What flower campaing did last year was exactly that...Can we achieve the same thing with Book or Calculators or Clock or Poster, we need to figure that out!

How about each one of us does whatever is suitable with common theme being similar letter/concern etc. If we choose clock/cal etc. shortly we will run out them at sites such as amazon, etc. Anyway only some of us will be able to do it...But flowers, letters, fliers are limitless and everyone can send...

So my suggestion is --draft a common themed letter and send the letter along with whatever anyone chooses to send along (with clock, cal, flier or simply letter. But please make sure the fliers are not offensive)...

bsbawa10
09-12-2008, 11:23 AM
How about each one of us does whatever is suitable with common theme being similar letter/concern etc. If we choose clock/cal etc. shortly we will run out them at sites such as amazon, etc. Anyway only some of us will be able to do it...But flowers, letters, fliers are limitless and everyone can send...

So my suggestion is --draft a common themed letter and send the letter along with whatever anyone chooses to send along (with clock, cal, flier or simply letter. But please make sure the fliers are not offensive)...
I think , I like that. Some of us depending on what we like can send flowers, some of us can send calculators, some of us letters and pamphlets and some can send more than one thing.

newuser
09-12-2008, 11:29 AM
I am Ok with this idea as long as the issue doesn't get diluted.

I think everyone should send the letter in the same format though.

singhsa3
09-12-2008, 11:47 AM
Let is choose one, otherwise we run the risk of diluting the whole idea, I have put up a poll.
I am Ok with this idea as long as the issue doesn't get diluted.

I think everyone should send the letter in the same format though.

willwin
09-12-2008, 11:49 AM
Let us continue a debate on
a) Pros of this idea
b) Cons of this idea
c) Alternative we might have.

Also, please do not get emotionally attach to an idea let democratically select that is best for the community.
Please limit to those ideas that are executable and within the bounds of law.


In my opinion, we should do this:

Just send two information to USCIS, DOS, President, VP, First Lady and all Congress person of the following:

1. 1st info should have a photocopy of our degree certificate(s). On the same page, print your expereince in years and total tax paid till date to the US government.

2. On a fresh page, type in all the H1B/L VISA approval information and type in bold, we were wanted/invited here legally (and admitted via H1/L).
And, mention that our I140 is approved which means the immigration department has validated our eligibility to become PR.
Ask a question (larger font) on the same page, why keep us on limbo?

This would keep the whole thing short and sweet. We are explicitly saying that we are legals. And we were invited here - legally. We are approved by immigration team to be a PR.

If we could send couple of thousands of letters, I am sure it would have impact as much as any other letter we have in mind.

We are not humiliating them, we are just expressing our frustrations but in mass. May be we can say something like, "Legal Techie slaves in the land of liberty" or "Immigration process that enslave Legal Techies". But, we should keep it short.

As always, ignore this idea if you guys dont like it.

singhsa3
09-12-2008, 11:51 AM
It is a good idea, can please register your vote against "simple letter"
In my opinion, we should do this:

Just send two information to USCIS, DOS, President, VP, First Lady and all Congress person of the following:

1. 1st info should have a photocopy of our degree certificate(s). On the same page, print your expereince in years and total tax paid till date to the US government.

2. On a fresh page, type in all the H1B/L VISA approval information and type in bold, we were wanted/invited here legally (and admitted via H1/L).
And, mention that our I140 is approved which means the immigration department has validated our eligibility to become PR.
Ask a question (larger font) on the same page, why keep us on limbo?

This would keep the whole thing short and sweet. We are explicitly saying that we are legals. And we were invited here - legally. We are approved by immigration team to be a PR.

If we could send couple of thousands of letters, I am sure it would have impact as much as any other letter we have in mind.

We are not humiliating them, we are just expressing our frustrations but in mass. May be we can say something like, "Legal Techie slaves in the land of liberty" or "Immigration process that enslave Legal Techies". But, we should keep it short.

As always, ignore this idea if you guys dont like it.

geesee
09-12-2008, 11:59 AM
Liked the calculator idea! Count me in..

One qns - how are we planning to catch media's attention? It was easier during flower campagin as flowers were clearly visible in fedex/ups trucks.. But the calculators would be inside a box...

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 12:07 PM
In my opinion

(1) Community must unite
(2) People must come out of anonymity by providing true information
(3) People must walk the talk - just not open threads and keep discussing
(4) Efforts must be well organized - IV is a great organization - we have state chapters where people can organize themselves - helps us all to do things more effectively

The biggest issue is - everyone come here and open threads but it alll stops there - people join state chapters but do nothing - just want to get updates - and always blame IV for whatever happens and question IV and want to grill IV as to what IV is doing.

Can we all get organized?

Sanjeev - I am sorry I am digressing from the original plan of this thread - but lets face reality - what is the use of all these tangential efforts - you may get hundreds of replies on this thread - but is there a proper directive? No one knows what to do it all starts and ends in discussion and waste of valuble time doing nothing.

I would rather recommend
(1) Lets get organized
(2) Give out proper information
(3) Pledge wholehearted support
(4) Be committed
(5) Join a state chapter
(6) Expand the community
(7) Work hard
(8) gather support
(9) take initiatives to lead - support will follow
(10) Do not waste time on unnecessary predictions, discussing waste, roumors etc...
(11) Understand the effort - lobbying - understand that IV needs a lot of money for lobbying - please contribute - please raise funds

Is everyone ready to do the above?

singhsa3
09-12-2008, 12:13 PM
Chandrakanth,
I agree with you 100% but it is a separate issue and must be done. What USCIS suggested to DOS that has resulted in visa bulletin is unacceaptle.
They practically said to DOS, Big Brother, "I don't know" .
How can they not know how many people are standing in line. When you and I take infopass, they can tell your category and priority date and whether you name check is passed or not. How come then they are having difficulties in collecting this data and sending it to DOS.

In my opinion

(1) Community must unite
(2) People must come out of anonymity by providing true information
(3) People must walk the talk - just not open threads and keep discussing
(4) Efforts must be well organized - IV is a great organization - we have state chapters where people can organize themselves - helps us all to do things more effectively

The biggest issue is - everyone come here and open threads but it alll stops there - people join state chapters but do nothing - just want to get updates - and always blame IV for whatever happens and question IV and want to grill IV as to what IV is doing.

Can we all get organized?

Sanjeev - I am sorry I am digressing from the original plan of this thread - but lets face reality - what is the use of all these tangential efforts - you may get hundreds of replies on this thread - but is there a proper directive? No one knows what to do it all starts and ends in discussion and waste of valuble time doing nothing.

I would rather recommend
(1) Lets get organized
(2) Give out proper information
(3) Pledge wholehearted support
(4) Be committed
(5) Join a state chapter
(6) Expand the community
(7) Work hard
(8) gather support
(9) take initiatives to lead - support will follow
(10) Do not waste time on unnecessary predictions, discussing waste, roumors etc...
(11) Understand the effort - lobbying - understand that IV needs a lot of money for lobbying - please contribute - please raise funds

Is everyone ready to do the above?

hopefulgc
09-12-2008, 12:20 PM
i like this idea too ... and we need to send copies ot NYtimes, washington post, usatoday, etc



In my opinion, we should do this:

Just send two information to USCIS, DOS, President, VP, First Lady and all Congress person of the following:

1. 1st info should have a photocopy of our degree certificate(s). On the same page, print your expereince in years and total tax paid till date to the US government.

2. On a fresh page, type in all the H1B/L VISA approval information and type in bold, we were wanted/invited here legally (and admitted via H1/L).
And, mention that our I140 is approved which means the immigration department has validated our eligibility to become PR.
Ask a question (larger font) on the same page, why keep us on limbo?

This would keep the whole thing short and sweet. We are explicitly saying that we are legals. And we were invited here - legally. We are approved by immigration team to be a PR.

If we could send couple of thousands of letters, I am sure it would have impact as much as any other letter we have in mind.

We are not humiliating them, we are just expressing our frustrations but in mass. May be we can say something like, "Legal Techie slaves in the land of liberty" or "Immigration process that enslave Legal Techies". But, we should keep it short.

As always, ignore this idea if you guys dont like it.

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 12:20 PM
Chandrakanth,
I agree with you 100% but it is a separate issue and must be done. What USCIS suggested to DOS that has resulted in visa bulletin is unacceaptle.
They practically said to DOS, Big Brother, "I don't know" .
How can they not know how many people are standing in line. When you and I take infopass, they can tell your category and priority date and whether you name check is passed or not. How come they are having difficulties in collecting the data.

Well - what I say is - there is an issue and we have to fix it. But do you think such a tangential effort work?

It is also known/unknown that USCIS simply does not have a system in place to locate files with old PDs - constant changes to system may have resulted in poor record keeping. I do agree that this issue has to be brought to limelight.

I personally feel that any effort must be effective and not a half hearted effort - what I am trying to say is opening a thread and running 10 pages of messages and doing nothing? Does that work for us? Can that be effective?

singhsa3
09-12-2008, 12:29 PM
We won't know if it effective unless we execute it, which is the biggest issue with us "the execution".
So far as locating old PDs are concerned, it USCIS knows it exists and if there is willinglness, they can dig it out from anywhere.
On the other hand , if this not fixed then even if there are 200K extra visas, the sufferings will persist.
Well - what I say is - there is an issue and we have to fix it. But do you think such a tangential effort work?

It is also known/unknown that USCIS simply does not have a system in place to locate files with old PDs - constant changes to system may have resulted in poor record keeping. I do agree that this issue has to be brought to limelight.

I personally feel that any effort must be effective and not a half hearted effort - what I am trying to say is opening a thread and running 10 pages of messages and doing nothing? Does that work for us? Can that be effective?

hopefulgc
09-12-2008, 12:41 PM
can we put up forum threads here for state chapters or some kind of direct link or page for each individual state chapter
Doing state chapters through list servs is just not working out.



In my opinion

(1) Community must unite
(2) People must come out of anonymity by providing true information
(3) People must walk the talk - just not open threads and keep discussing
(4) Efforts must be well organized - IV is a great organization - we have state chapters where people can organize themselves - helps us all to do things more effectively

The biggest issue is - everyone come here and open threads but it alll stops there - people join state chapters but do nothing - just want to get updates - and always blame IV for whatever happens and question IV and want to grill IV as to what IV is doing.

Can we all get organized?

Sanjeev - I am sorry I am digressing from the original plan of this thread - but lets face reality - what is the use of all these tangential efforts - you may get hundreds of replies on this thread - but is there a proper directive? No one knows what to do it all starts and ends in discussion and waste of valuble time doing nothing.

I would rather recommend
(1) Lets get organized
(2) Give out proper information
(3) Pledge wholehearted support
(4) Be committed
(5) Join a state chapter
(6) Expand the community
(7) Work hard
(8) gather support
(9) take initiatives to lead - support will follow
(10) Do not waste time on unnecessary predictions, discussing waste, roumors etc...
(11) Understand the effort - lobbying - understand that IV needs a lot of money for lobbying - please contribute - please raise funds

Is everyone ready to do the above?

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 12:52 PM
can we put up forum threads here for state chapters or some kind of direct link or page for each individual state chapter
Doing state chapters through list servs is just not working out.

I think IV is trying to bring State Chapters also onto the website instead of individual list serves. I do not have any details, maybe pappu or Aman can throw light on this. But nevertheless, we can currently execute things in the way we are doing now.

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 12:53 PM
We won't know if it effective unless we execute it, which is the biggest issue with us "the execution".
So far as locating old PDs are concerned, it USCIS knows it exists and if there is willinglness, they can dig it out from anywhere.
On the other hand , if this not fixed then even if there are 200K extra visas, the sufferings will persist.

True - it has to be fixed. We must send a strong signal. Otherwise, they will ignore old PDs, look at wikipedia, alipac etc.... to adjujicate cases

gaz
09-12-2008, 01:01 PM
how about sending balloons with a message on it?

the balloon would represent our dreams and each passing day of inaction on the part of uscis lets the air out of them

inflated balloons would be visible also when the delivery arrives

singhsa3
09-12-2008, 01:06 PM
Thats is also not a bad Idea. But how the logistic will work. i,e how we will inflate and deliver those balloons
how about sending balloons with a message on it?

the balloon would represent our dreams and each passing day of inaction on the part of uscis lets the air out of them

inflated balloons would be visible also when the delivery arrives

gaz
09-12-2008, 01:10 PM
three different ways of doing this

1) use a provider - http://www.balloonsbymail.com/
2) leave it to an act of God - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balloon_mail
3) hold a balloon protest (eg. http://washingtonpark.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/report-back-from-washington-sq-park-balloon-protest-313/)
4) others?

Thats is also not a bad Idea. But how the logistic will work. i,e how we will inflate and deliver those balloons

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 01:11 PM
can we put up forum threads here for state chapters or some kind of direct link or page for each individual state chapter
Doing state chapters through list servs is just not working out.

Most people here just want to discuss but when it comes to action - you will notice that they would not even give out their proper name to IV while registering - so mobilizing is not as easy as discussing it here.

Discussion forums are good because ideas emerge here - ideas are needed for execution and discussing pressing issues must lead us towards a path to execution.

The question is - can all those who do that talk actually walk the talk?

hopefulgc
09-12-2008, 01:11 PM
Actually,
why do they even have to locate old files physically?
All the data about case file number (LINXXX, SRCXX, etc), status and the associated priority date is in a single/distributed database (else we would not be able to check our status online )

WHY CAN'T USCIS NOT RUN A QUERY AGAINST THIS DATBASE....?





Well - what I say is - there is an issue and we have to fix it. But do you think such a tangential effort work?

It is also known/unknown that USCIS simply does not have a system in place to locate files with old PDs - constant changes to system may have resulted in poor record keeping. I do agree that this issue has to be brought to limelight.

I personally feel that any effort must be effective and not a half hearted effort - what I am trying to say is opening a thread and running 10 pages of messages and doing nothing? Does that work for us? Can that be effective?

hopefulgc
09-12-2008, 01:13 PM
why do we have to get names from people...
simply decide a course of action... like send out letters or the big-as calculator brother singhsa3 suggested and let them ship it out individually



Most people here just want to discuss but when it comes to action - you will notice that they would not even give out their proper name to IV while registering - so mobilizing is not as easy as discussing it here.

Discussion forums are good because ideas emerge here - ideas are needed for execution and discussing pressing issues must lead us towards a path to execution.

The question is - can all those who do that talk actually walk the talk?

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 01:20 PM
why do we have to get names from people...
simply decide a course of action... like send out letters or the big-as calculator brother singhsa3 suggested and let them ship it out individually

Well - what I am suggesting is - the more the authenticity - the more effective. The more the anonymous the less effective.

It is not about names or addresses - it is about genuineness.

vsrinir
09-12-2008, 01:22 PM
They will treat this as Junk Mail!!!

madhuvj
09-12-2008, 02:22 PM
I dont mind getting Red Dots, But please, for god's sake. Stop doing this fruitless campaign. Do you guys think Giving a Clock or sending flowers solved earlier problems. Enough of this Gandhiian ways. This country is not good for people like Gandhi. May be Flower campaign got noticed and created a whole new experience for the USCIS, but i dont think it really helped them do anything in our favor. Already, folks here are wasting their money, year after year, on their EADs and APs for them and their family. Just think for a second guys, It costs us 1000 $ to maintain status on AOS and visit our family and this is going on indefinitely for our years now. USCIS/Congress does not want to do anything about this, They are happy to get the revenue. Even if you think a minimum of 200,000 people spending 1000 $ an year, it is 200,000,000 $. Iam not even considering the amount they spent on other things like H1B extension, H4s..... Just think about the Dollars they are making on this Green Card SCAM. Accept it or not, it is indirectly affecting our lives, even though, GC is not really important for lot of folks. Iam one such person, I have a good client and a decent employer and iam with the same folks for 9 years and they are happy extending my H1b at their cost. But still, this whole GC game, is sometimes disturbing. They are playing with our emotions and our loved ones. So, GUYS we need to take a bigger and bolder step. To me, Calling people, sending flowers and letters explaining the situation makes no sense. Do you think, those guys dont really know about our situation. Let us a make a bold move. We are 70,000 folks just here in ImmigrationVoice. Let us compile a letter,that pushes USCIS/Congress on improving the condition. As long as they get those EXTRA Dollars, i dont think anything is going to happen. Even if they remove the provision to apply for GC while on H1B, it is good for us, for we will know that in advance and can plan on shaping our future better, instead of this false promise and emotional torture. I think even AILA or other Lawyers are useless. They dont want to do anything for us. All they do is, interpret the LAW , and explain us in the way we can understand. They dont take steps to fight for the justice. All they care is the money. So let us make our point clear to USCIS, we dont want to waste money on EADs and APs and H1B extensions. To me, it should be free of cost, since it is their problem that they dont work efficiently. Why should we pay 1000s of dollars for their inefficiency. let us all 70,000 work together in sending a letter to USCIS or Congress that We are not willing to spend any more money on the GC knowing that we are not going to get it anyway. Unless, we do something like this, the real impact of our situation will never get noticed. Again, our main aim should be to let them know that we are here legally and we deserve to be treated better and not just that IV is a group that will send flowers, to express its presence.

kalyan
09-12-2008, 02:32 PM
count me .I cant come out of my Place till Oct 7'th.

If you want me in Some Rally, i will be there. I am'nt anonymous.

Looks like USCIS needs people who can do Math, SQL Developers, Business Process analysts

Lets help them out who in turn can help us

Lets volunteer to work with USCIS in any form or shape they need , like digging the records, streamlining data or any other matter.

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 02:35 PM
I dont mind getting Red Dots, But please, for god's sake. Stop doing this fruitless campaign. Do you guys think Giving a Clock or sending flowers solved earlier problems. Enough of this Gandhiian ways. This country is not good for people like Gandhi. May be Flower campaign got noticed and created a whole new experience for the USCIS, but i dont think it really helped them do anything in our favor. Already, folks here are wasting their money, year after year, on their EADs and APs for them and their family. Just think for a second guys, It costs us 1000 $ to maintain status on AOS and visit our family and this is going on indefinitely for our years now. USCIS/Congress does not want to do anything about this, They are happy to get the revenue. Even if you think a minimum of 200,000 people spending 1000 $ an year, it is 200,000,000 $. Iam not even considering the amount they spent on other things like H1B extension, H4s..... Just think about the Dollars they are making on this Green Card SCAM. Accept it or not, it is indirectly affecting our lives, even though, GC is not really important for lot of folks. Iam one such person, I have a good client and a decent employer and iam with the same folks for 9 years and they are happy extending my H1b at their cost. But still, this whole GC game, is sometimes disturbing. They are playing with our emotions and our loved ones. So, GUYS we need to take a bigger and bolder step. To me, Calling people, sending flowers and letters explaining the situation makes no sense. Do you think, those guys dont really know about our situation. Let us a make a bold move. We are 70,000 folks just here in ImmigrationVoice. Let us compile a letter,that pushes USCIS/Congress on improving the condition. As long as they get those EXTRA Dollars, i dont think anything is going to happen. Even if they remove the provision to apply for GC while on H1B, it is good for us, for we will know that in advance and can plan on shaping our future better, instead of this false promise and emotional torture. I think even AILA or other Lawyers are useless. They dont want to do anything for us. All they do is, interpret the LAW , and explain us in the way we can understand. They dont take steps to fight for the justice. All they care is the money. So let us make our point clear to USCIS, we dont want to waste money on EADs and APs and H1B extensions. To me, it should be free of cost, since it is their problem that they dont work efficiently. Why should we pay 1000s of dollars for their inefficiency. let us all 70,000 work together in sending a letter to USCIS or Congress that We are not willing to spend any more money on the GC knowing that we are not going to get it anyway. Unless, we do something like this, the real impact of our situation will never get noticed. Again, our main aim should be to let them know about our situation and not just that IV is a group that will send flowers, to express its presence.

To do what you suggest, we have to organize ourselves first. Opening threads and debating and then burying them deep does not help. If we have 30K IV members + 40 K families and friends 70K letters will definitely make a difference.
Thats why I say, lets organize ourselves - andthe first step is to "pledge commitment for the cause" followed by coming out of anonymity - followed by actively participating in grassroots efforts by working through state chapters

singhsa3
09-12-2008, 02:37 PM
At least I won't give u red dots if you can enlighten us how to get us out of this mess. And yes, we do want our green card so I don't think we can stop the process or stop spending money on that. Also please advise us how to bring all 70K people under one umbrella?
I dont mind getting Red Dots, But please, for god's sake. Stop doing this fruitless campaign. Do you guys think Giving a Clock or sending flowers solved earlier problems. Enough of this Gandhiian ways. This country is not good for people like Gandhi. May be Flower campaign got noticed and created a whole new experience for the USCIS, but i dont think it really helped them do anything in our favor. Already, folks here are wasting their money, year after year, on their EADs and APs for them and their family. Just think for a second guys, It costs us 1000 $ to maintain status on AOS and visit our family and this is going on indefinitely for our years now. USCIS/Congress does not want to do anything about this, They are happy to get the revenue. Even if you think a minimum of 200,000 people spending 1000 $ an year, it is 200,000,000 $. Iam not even considering the amount they spent on other things like H1B extension, H4s..... Just think about the Dollars they are making on this Green Card SCAM. Accept it or not, it is indirectly affecting our lives, even though, GC is not really important for lot of folks. Iam one such person, I have a good client and a decent employer and iam with the same folks for 9 years and they are happy extending my H1b at their cost. But still, this whole GC game, is sometimes disturbing. They are playing with our emotions and our loved ones. So, GUYS we need to take a bigger and bolder step. To me, Calling people, sending flowers and letters explaining the situation makes no sense. Do you think, those guys dont really know about our situation. Let us a make a bold move. We are 70,000 folks just here in ImmigrationVoice. Let us compile a letter,that pushes USCIS/Congress on improving the condition. As long as they get those EXTRA Dollars, i dont think anything is going to happen. Even if they remove the provision to apply for GC while on H1B, it is good for us, for we will know that in advance and can plan on shaping our future better, instead of this false promise and emotional torture. I think even AILA or other Lawyers are useless. They dont want to do anything for us. All they do is, interpret the LAW , and explain us in the way we can understand. They dont take steps to fight for the justice. All they care is the money. So let us make our point clear to USCIS, we dont want to waste money on EADs and APs and H1B extensions. To me, it should be free of cost, since it is their problem that they dont work efficiently. Why should we pay 1000s of dollars for their inefficiency. let us all 70,000 work together in sending a letter to USCIS or Congress that We are not willing to spend any more money on the GC knowing that we are not going to get it anyway. Unless, we do something like this, the real impact of our situation will never get noticed. Again, our main aim should be to let them know about our situation and not just that IV is a group that will send flowers, to express its presence.

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 02:44 PM
At least I won't give u red dots if you can enlighten us how to get us out of this mess. And yes, we do want our green card so I don't think we can stop the process or stop spending money on that. Also please advise us how to bring all 70K people under one umbrella?

Sanjeev - I personally feel there is no easy solution for this. Our efforts must be well organized and there has to be geniune effort. A lot of people who post here are all frustrated and angered and they channelize their anger and frustration through these forums whereas instead if it is channelized in a positive way - our campaigns will be more effective and we can reach our goals.

funny
09-12-2008, 02:44 PM
At least I won't give u red dots if you can enlighten us how to get us out of this mess. And yes, we do want our green card so I don't think we can stop the process or stop spending money on that. Also please advise us how to bring all 70K people under one umbrella?

I am in too...How can we organize all the members...70,000 is a lot of people, Any thing done effectively and efficiently will make an impact.

singhsa3
09-12-2008, 02:50 PM
These are all good thoughts but what u are suggesting takes some time.
The issue has two legs:
Leg 1: Process fix
Leg 2: Increasing number of greencards

What I am talking about is leg 1 and what you are talking about is for leg 2
and both are required.

Sanjeev - I personally feel there is no easy solution for this. Our efforts must be well organized and there has to be geniune effort. A lot of people who post here are all frustrated and angered and they channelize their anger and frustration through these forums whereas instead if it is channelized in a positive way - our campaigns will be more effective and we can reach our goals.

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 02:53 PM
I am in too...How can we organize all the members...70,000 is a lot of people, Any thing done effectively and efficiently will make an impact.

That's the main issue we are facing. People come on discussion forums and talk big, but when it comes to actual execution - it is very few people who actually do things and there is no regulation.

Thats why IV created state chapters where people can organize themselves and follow directives from our lobbyists and collective work towards campaigns

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 02:56 PM
These are all good thoughts but what u are suggesting takes some time.
The issue has two legs:
Leg 1: Process fix
Leg 2: Increasing number of greencards

What I am talking about is leg 1 and what you are talking about is for leg 2
and both are required.

Even for leg 1 - unless it is organized, nothing is going to be effective. What you suggest is an immediate action going back and forth based on frustration due to recent happenings - and I say it maybe good but not the most effective.

funny
09-12-2008, 02:56 PM
That is right. I said before and I am saying again. I am against sending flowers or calculators because.
1. They cost money (Some people may not do that just because of that).
2. USCIS will like those toys for their kids (Please come out of the movie mood, movies impress a lot but they are a lot different from real life). Believe me they will treat these things as wonderful gifts and we will end up spending time and money for these.
3. It will not make any difference to USCIS.
4. USCIS can always redirect all those flowers to orphanage or other places, what they cannot do is redirect our posters trying to put them to shame.
I have been appealing a lot about this. Why do not we have a letter compain along with posters which should put them to shame. These should not only be sent to USCIS, but also to the press, congressmen, president of US and yes the director of USCIS. I have created several posters here.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_124c6jh9dg6&invite=mqk525
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_127xvp53jdx&invite=cn4gjw5
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_12895rfwtcw&invite=g7kcrzz
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_130cvdpx4cg&invite=7bb9vs
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_132g6jcsffz&invite=hczhh8x
The letter campaign thread is
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21340

Does anybody here agree with me ? Singhsa, your thoughts ?

I totally agree with "bsbawa10" , Not many people will invilve if its a matter of spending 30-50$ and for sure stuff like Calculators and clock will go to the Kids of USCIS officers and their friends as Thanksgiving "Gifts". I think we should send mass letters to all the involved agencies with posters. Not only all the people will be involved, it will be difficult for USCIS to redirect the stuff to some orphanage/veterans Hospitals etc. Just my 2 cents.

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 02:58 PM
These are all good thoughts but what u are suggesting takes some time.
The issue has two legs:
Leg 1: Process fix
Leg 2: Increasing number of greencards

What I am talking about is leg 1 and what you are talking about is for leg 2
and both are required.

I am not discouraging you for taking initiative - I am for it - let this be the first step towards doing something - but looks like we lack directive and path of execution.

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 03:02 PM
I totally agree with "bsbawa10" , Not many people will involve if its a matter of spending 30-50$ and for sure stuff like Calculators and clock will go to the Kids of USCIS officers and their friends as Thanksgiving "Gifts". I think we should send mass letters to all the involved agencies with posters. Not only all the people will be involved, it will be difficult for USCIS to redirect the stuff to some orphanage/veterans Hospitals etc. Just my 2 cents.

Flower campaign had similar fate - 2 to 3 truck loads of flowers just went into hospital. it was more of Lofgren involvement that helped us.

We need to think with cool heads and execute things properly - first organize ourselves - gain support - consult our counsel - come out with proper plan of execution.

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 03:04 PM
Actually,
why do they even have to locate old files physically?
All the data about case file number (LINXXX, SRCXX, etc), status and the associated priority date is in a single/distributed database (else we would not be able to check our status online )

WHY CAN'T USCIS NOT RUN A QUERY AGAINST THIS DATBASE....?

Easier said than done - we have no clue what they do - what pattern they follow - but what has happened clearly suggests that there are many disconnects and there are always excuses.

The flood of approvals that come during end of fiscal year is just to avoid issues with questions raised for inefficiency

NKR
09-12-2008, 03:08 PM
Flower campaign had similar fate - 2 to 3 truck loads of flowers just went into hospital. it was more of Lofgren involvement that helped us.

We need to think with cool heads and execute things properly - first organize ourselves - gain support - consult our counsel - come out with proper plan of execution.

From what I observed the action of USCIS redirecting flowers to hospital and armymen backfired. It was perceived as an insult to the brave soldiers.

485Mbe4001
09-12-2008, 03:13 PM
I agree with the posts to a certain extent but the last time we sent mass letters only 5000 letters were collected. A couple of people were responsible for collecting 500-1000 letters each. You can caculate the percentage of letter writers of the who actually sent out the letters.

We talk about num usa etal.. bear in mind they have lots of resources and volunteers willing to call and write letters. We keep fighting about EB3 Vs EB2, red dots and green dots and other 'important' issues, very few actually make the calls. The ones who work, keep working while others demand answers as to why issues are not fixed, the rest of us just like discussing issues to death on the forums... just my 2 (pick your denomination).

I totally agree with "bsbawa10" , Not many people will invilve if its a matter of spending 30-50$ and for sure stuff like Calculators and clock will go to the Kids of USCIS officers and their friends as Thanksgiving "Gifts". I think we should send mass letters to all the involved agencies with posters. Not only all the people will be involved, it will be difficult for USCIS to redirect the stuff to some orphanage/veterans Hospitals etc. Just my 2 cents.

chanduv23
09-12-2008, 03:20 PM
I agree with the posts to a certain extent but the last time we sent mass letters only 5000 letters were collected. A couple of people were responsible for collecting 500-1000 letters each. You can caculate the percentage of letter writers of the who actually sent out the letters.

We talk about num usa etal.. bear in mind they have lots of resources and volunteers willing to call and write letters. We keep fighting about EB3 Vs EB2, red dots and green dots and other 'important' issues, very few actually make the calls. The ones who work, keep working while others demand answers as to why issues are not fixed, the rest of us just like discussing issues to death on the forums... just my 2 (pick your denomination).

Volunteers - printed thousands of letters - went to train stations, temples, public places, spent money, time, effort, stamped , enveloped - did everything they could to make the campaign a success but still there were only 5000 letters which in fact showed some results.

singhsa3
09-12-2008, 03:23 PM
Looks like backward clock is the most popular idea so far.
Now,
There are two scenarios someone suggested to me in the office:
Scenario 1: Send these indiviudually (one per person).
Scenario 2: Send collectively a set of 10 backward clocks, with a greivance/protest letter , where as 10 represents month of October and signed by IV.

funny
09-12-2008, 03:41 PM
Looks like backward clock is the most popular idea so far.
Now,
There are two scenarios someone suggested to me in the office:
Scenario 1: Send these indiviudually (one per person).
Scenario 2: Send collectively a set of 10 backward clocks, with a greivance/protest letter , where as 10 represents month of October and signed by IV.

only 30 people have voted so far....and we are talking about organizing 70,000 People.....Most of the users come here to get the latest news related to GC and to get answers to their questions....50% of users won't even log in to the site if they don't have any "URGENT Question" or "Need Help.."( I know that 50% of my friends don't log in to the site everyday) Type of questions to Post...I bet more then half of the users won't be aware of these efforts that we are trying to put in. I think we need to first inform everybody that IV needs theirs support. we should send emails to every users to come and check the site..

singhsa3
09-12-2008, 03:48 PM
We don't need 70K people. 50-100 will do. But we do need a media strategy.
only 30 people have voted so far....and we are talking about organizing 70,000 People.....Most of the users come here to get the latest news related to GC and to get answers to their questions....50% of users won't even log in to the site if they don't have any "URGENT Question" or "Need Help.."( I know that 50% of my friends don't log in to the site everyday) Type of questions to Post...I bet more then half of the users won't be aware of these efforts that we are trying to put in. I think we need to first inform everybody that IV needs theirs support. we should send emails to every users to come and check the site..

baleraosreedhar
09-12-2008, 03:48 PM
Instead of sending Pen,clock and flowers on 1 day , for a big impact lets send it for continously for 5 days starting on Sept 29 monday and ending on Oct 3 friday.

This way atleast Main Stream media will hear our woes and help in getting the message to the right parties.

funny
09-12-2008, 04:15 PM
^Bump^

petepatel
09-12-2008, 04:50 PM
I m in :)

funny
09-12-2008, 05:09 PM
Whats the plan guys...any thing agreed upon....^Bumping Again^

bestofall
09-12-2008, 05:48 PM
for any IV core agreed plan

sanjuatl
09-12-2008, 06:10 PM
Count me IN ......

kevinkris
09-12-2008, 06:13 PM
Hi All,

Lots of people agreeing.
singhsa3, since you started it, finalize on what we all need to do.

Thanks

ashishgour
09-12-2008, 06:19 PM
I am in tooo..DC rally wud not cost me $200...i was in the first one as well..:)

hopefulgc
09-12-2008, 06:26 PM
^^^
apun also ready
lets do it.





Hi All,

Lots of people agreeing.
singhsa3, since you started it, finalize on what we all need to do.

Thanks

singhsa3
09-12-2008, 08:21 PM
Let us agree on the format of letter first:

***************
Suggested Message:
Hon. Mr. ??,
I would like to register my protest with you for not following an orderly method when approving I-485 applications. In the last two months, while the priority dates were current for several applicants from India in the EB2 category, the applications with later priority dates and later receipt dates got their I-485 approved by USICS. This has generated a great anxiety among those who have been waiting patiently in the line before them.
I being one such affected person, is sending you this letter with a ???? as a symbol of my protest and hope that USCIS will deal fairly with all the applicants in the order of priority and receipt dates of their I-485 applications.
Thanks
Your Name

piyu7444
09-12-2008, 08:40 PM
I am in....will do what the group decides for...........clock, call whatever...

alkg
09-12-2008, 09:30 PM
Yes guys we should come forward and and start a compaign like we did in July 2007.
surely............ "Gandhigiri works"