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hopelessinseattle
03-08-2007, 10:39 AM
When I was hired last spring, I was not told about GC retrogression by my employer. I beleive they should have explained in graphic detail and if they done so I would not have left a good job and my home in Canada to move to an American nightmare.

I recently discovered that I have at least a 5 year wait as an EB-3. My teenage daughter will be too old to get a green card as a dependent and my wife is seriously depressed about not being allowed to work.

How many other people are as P-Oed as I am and is there a class action suit here?

krishna.ahd
03-08-2007, 11:01 AM
When I was hired last spring, I was not told about GC retrogression by my employer. I beleive they should have explained in graphic detail and if they done so I would not have left a good job and my home in Canada to move to an American nightmare.

I recently discovered that I have at least a 5 year wait as an EB-3. My teenage daughter will be too old to get a green card as a dependent and my wife is seriously depressed about not being allowed to work.

How many other people are as P-Oed as I am and is there a class action suit here?
Sorry to hear you didnt get the correct picture before joing the American Dream. Read information on IV Home page more about retro. IV team is working on these issues and hopefully you may get the GC sooner than 5 years.

chanduv23
03-08-2007, 11:38 AM
Most employers pretend as if they dont know anything about retro, whereas they have employees in their own company in that situation.
Lot of people do not know what they are gettng into, a lot of new H1b applicants go look for employers promising Green Card carrots and switch jobs only to find out at a very later stage that they are retrogressed. Same with sub labor, lot of people switch companies as they get sub labor, just to find out later they cannot apply 485 due to retrogression.

A lot of people still don't know what kind of mess they are in. I tried explaining this to a lot fo people who do not understand, and they never made an attempt to understand, thats the reason why IV still has only several thousands members where those affected by retro is in lacs.

My only advice to you is "think positive", "put a lot of effort in your skill and job", "stay put with latest news", "Help IV" and be careful with employers or lawyers or body shoppers

smccrea
03-08-2007, 11:51 AM
When I was hired last spring, I was not told about GC retrogression by my employer. I beleive they should have explained in graphic detail and if they done so I would not have left a good job and my home in Canada to move to an American nightmare.

I recently discovered that I have at least a 5 year wait as an EB-3. My teenage daughter will be too old to get a green card as a dependent and my wife is seriously depressed about not being allowed to work.

How many other people are as P-Oed as I am and is there a class action suit here?
I'm pretty upset too after getting the same nasty surprise. Fortunately I only have about 100 miles to move to return home. I'm surprised that a major corporation like the one that hired me would be so sleazy.

go_guy123
03-08-2007, 11:57 AM
I'm pretty upset too after getting the same nasty surprise. Fortunately I only have about 100 miles to move to return home. I'm surprised that a major corporation like the one that hired me would be so sleazy.

They say that they will start green card process.
They cant and they dont promise how long it will take.
So its your job to do the homework. Even now i come across
people accepting job offers with lesser pay because they promised
green card processing (and have no clue about the backlog). I tried to explain him and he didnt seem to take it seriously. I guess he will (and thats
the way most do) learn it the hard way

Tito_ortiz
03-08-2007, 11:59 AM
Welcome hopelessinseattle!

I live in Seattle as well.

You are right. They do not tell you likely because employers enjoy the idea that people visa dependent many times turn out to be "more productive" for the company. This is just a nuance, but I can speak from my own experience that I used to work longer hours and demand less when I was on H1B. It is a fact.

Only time will tell. There is no lawsuit angle to be explored against this as far as I know.

It is interesting what other members reported about people being in denial, even when you clarify about the difficulties about the greencard process. I had my own brother coming here and his employer talked big about greencard, etc and he started making plans to bring his wife. I told him everything we have been through and he didn't pay attention to it. In the end it turned out that his profession was not even eligible for H visas.

Good luck to us all. God Bless America.

Tito





When I was hired last spring, I was not told about GC retrogression by my employer. I beleive they should have explained in graphic detail and if they done so I would not have left a good job and my home in Canada to move to an American nightmare.

I recently discovered that I have at least a 5 year wait as an EB-3. My teenage daughter will be too old to get a green card as a dependent and my wife is seriously depressed about not being allowed to work.

How many other people are as P-Oed as I am and is there a class action suit here?

sanan
03-08-2007, 12:31 PM
Green Card nahin mila H1 me he Khush raho ?? ;)

I like this...thanks form a nice afternoon laff! :D
KHUSH RAHO ....


Zindagi hai choti , har pal me khush raho...
Office me khush raho , ghar me khush raho..
Aaj paneer nahi hai , dal me hi khush raho,

Aaj gym jane ka samay nahi , do kadam chal ke he khush raho..
Aaj Dosto ka sath nahi , TV dekh ke hi khush raho..
Ghar ja nahi sakte to phone kar ke hi khush raho...
Aaj koi naraaz hai , uske iss andaz me bhi khush raho..
Jisse dekh nahi sakte uski awaz me hi khush raho...
Jisse paa nahi sakte , uske yaadon me he khush raho

MBA karne ka socha tha , S/W me he khush raho...
Laptop na mila to kya , Desktop me hi khush raho..
bita hua kal ja chuka hai , usse meethi yaade hai unme he khush raho..
aane wale pal ka pata nahi ..sapno me he khush raho..
Haste haste ye pal bitaenge , aaj me he khush raho

Zindagi hai choti , har pal main khush raho.....

oomshiva

smccrea
03-08-2007, 12:33 PM
Green Card nahin mila H1 me he Khush raho ?? ;)

I like this...thanks form a nice afternoon laff! :D
Could you share the joke with those of us who don't read this language?

logiclife
03-08-2007, 12:42 PM
Everyone please try to put english posts only.

If you have to put something in Hindi etc, please put an english version translated with it. Its insulting to share joke with only people who know a certain language.

Imagine this: If you are in a restaurant with a fellow Indian and an American co-worker, would you talk in Hindi, crack a joke in Hindi and then giggle? Wouldnt the other guy think that you are laughing at him?

Same thing. Please put translated english versions with whatever poems, phrases, proverbs...etc. you have.

eager_immi
03-08-2007, 01:06 PM
Why do you assume this is an indian website and everyone can understand hindi. This website has a purpose and if people like you write in hindi you will annoy a lot of people.

KHUSH RAHO ....


Zindagi hai choti , har pal me khush raho...
Office me khush raho , ghar me khush raho..
Aaj paneer nahi hai , dal me hi khush raho,

Aaj gym jane ka samay nahi , do kadam chal ke he khush raho..
Aaj Dosto ka sath nahi , TV dekh ke hi khush raho..
Ghar ja nahi sakte to phone kar ke hi khush raho...
Aaj koi naraaz hai , uske iss andaz me bhi khush raho..
Jisse dekh nahi sakte uski awaz me hi khush raho...
Jisse paa nahi sakte , uske yaadon me he khush raho

MBA karne ka socha tha , S/W me he khush raho...
Laptop na mila to kya , Desktop me hi khush raho..
bita hua kal ja chuka hai , usse meethi yaade hai unme he khush raho..
aane wale pal ka pata nahi ..sapno me he khush raho..
Haste haste ye pal bitaenge , aaj me he khush raho

Zindagi hai choti , har pal main khush raho.....

oomshiva

desi3933
03-08-2007, 01:23 PM
KHUSH RAHO ....


Zindagi hai choti , har pal me khush raho...
Office me khush raho , ghar me khush raho..
Aaj paneer nahi hai , dal me hi khush raho,

Aaj gym jane ka samay nahi , do kadam chal ke he khush raho..
Aaj Dosto ka sath nahi , TV dekh ke hi khush raho..
Ghar ja nahi sakte to phone kar ke hi khush raho...
Aaj koi naraaz hai , uske iss andaz me bhi khush raho..
Jisse dekh nahi sakte uski awaz me hi khush raho...
Jisse paa nahi sakte , uske yaadon me he khush raho

MBA karne ka socha tha , S/W me he khush raho...
Laptop na mila to kya , Desktop me hi khush raho..
bita hua kal ja chuka hai , usse meethi yaade hai unme he khush raho..
aane wale pal ka pata nahi ..sapno me he khush raho..
Haste haste ye pal bitaenge , aaj me he khush raho

Zindagi hai choti , har pal main khush raho.....

oomshiva

Since no one has come out with English translation, here is my version. oomshiva, Please feel free to correct it as you are the author


Life is short, enjoy its every moment
In Office and at Home, enjoy and just enjoy
Did get Chicken Masala, be happy with fast food

No time for gym today, walk a little and be happy
Didn't see a friend today, watch TV and be happy
Can't go to home country, make a call and be happy
Somebody is upset with you, ignore/remember him and be happy
You can't see him/her, listen to that voice and be happy
That person can't be yours, just remember and be happy

Planned to do MBA, so what if you are in software, be happy
Didn't get Laptop, With desktop be happy
Yesterday is gone, recall fond memories and be happy
Worried about future, stay in dreams and be happy
These times will pass, enjoy your present to the fullest and be happy

Life is short, enjoy its every moment

and may I add this one line

Enjoy your today to the fullest
who knows ..
there may be no tomorrow

===============================
Sanan has written this line
Green Card nahin mila H1 me he Khush raho ??

Translation: Didn't get Green Card, Be happy with H1

=================================================

This is my first post. May I make a request that if you post anything in non-english, please provide english translation. Thanks!

Here is a question for all those people who are good in Hindi --
What is the english word for "punarchakravat" punar-chakra-vat
Whay I am trying to say is that evenfor Hindi speakers it is possible that they may not get every word of it.

I will post answer in a little while.

Enjoy

asanghi
03-08-2007, 01:26 PM
Why do you assume this is an indian website and everyone can understand hindi. This website has a purpose and if people like you write in hindi you will annoy a lot of people.

Nice poem or whatever!
Since I liked it, I will translate it in english for those who don't understand Hindi.

BE HAPPY ....
Life is short, every moment be happy
At office be happy, at home be happy
no cheese today, eat bread be happy

no time for gym, walk 2 steps and be happy
no friends, watch tv be happy
can't go back home, call home be happy
somebody is angry with you, even enjoy this and be happy
whom you can't see, listen to their voice and be happy
whom you can't get, in memories of them be happy

Keep thinking of doing MBA, in SW be happy
didn't get laptop from office, at desktop be happy
yesterday is gone, in its memory be happy
tommorrow is uncertain, dream about it and be happy
smile and laugh, in today be happy
Life is short, every moment be happy

Tito_ortiz
03-08-2007, 01:34 PM
I would add this one from Shangri-la, by Mark Knopfler:

"We may never love again, listening to the music of guitars...". That's true. Enjoy your moment today.

Since no one has come out with English translation, here is my version. oomshiva, Please feel free to correct it as you are the author


Life is short, enjoy its every moment
In Office and at Home, enjoy and just enjoy
Did get Chicken Masala, be happy with fast food

No time for gym today, walk a little and be happy
Didn't see a friend today, watch TV and be happy
Can't go to home country, make a call and be happy
Somebody is upset with you, ignore/remember him and be happy
You can't see him/her, listen to that voice and be happy
That person can't be yours, just remember and be happy

Planned to do MBA, so what if you are in software, be happy
Didn't get Laptop, With desktop be happy
Yesterday is gone, recall fond memories and be happy
Worried about future, stay in dreams and be happy
These times will pass, enjoy your present to the fullest and be happy

Life is short, enjoy its every moment

and may I add this one line

Enjoy your today to the fullest
who knows ..
there may be no tomorrow

===============================
Sanan has written this line
Green Card nahin mila H1 me he Khush raho ??

Translation: Didn't get Green Card, Be happy with H1

=================================================

This is my first post. May I make a request that if you post anything in non-english, please provide english translation. Thanks!

Here is a question for all those people who are good in Hindi --
What is the english word for "punarchakravat" punar-chakra-vat
Whay I am trying to say is that evenfor Hindi speakers it is possible that they may not get every word of it.

I will post answer in a little while.

Enjoy

desi3933
03-08-2007, 01:41 PM
Why do you assume this is an indian website and everyone can understand hindi. This website has a purpose and if people like you write in hindi you will annoy a lot of people.

Very true and only about 40% of Indian can undersatnd Hindi.

Don't Worry, Be Happy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_Worry,_Be_Happy

GC08
03-10-2007, 06:53 PM
Welcome hopelessinseattle!

I live in Seattle as well.

You are right. They do not tell you likely because employers enjoy the idea that people visa dependent many times turn out to be "more productive" for the company. This is just a nuance, but I can speak from my own experience that I used to work longer hours and demand less when I was on H1B. It is a fact.

Only time will tell. There is no lawsuit angle to be explored against this as far as I know.

It is interesting what other members reported about people being in denial, even when you clarify about the difficulties about the greencard process. I had my own brother coming here and his employer talked big about greencard, etc and he started making plans to bring his wife. I told him everything we have been through and he didn't pay attention to it. In the end it turned out that his profession was not even eligible for H visas.

Good luck to us all. God Bless America.

Tito

This is absolutely the truth. I think that's why some people likened H1B to "slavery"... The only difference is probably you have choice to not come under H1B, which may even disguise H1B's true nature further. :o

Maybe IV can also help spread the words about the whole H1B and GC thing to people who are thinking about coming here... not exactly as rosy as some people thought. Hopefully when people know more, they will make more informed decisions. :p

msp1976
03-10-2007, 08:24 PM
When I was hired last spring, I was not told about GC retrogression by my employer. I beleive they should have explained in graphic detail and if they done so I would not have left a good job and my home in Canada to move to an American nightmare.

I recently discovered that I have at least a 5 year wait as an EB-3. My teenage daughter will be too old to get a green card as a dependent and my wife is seriously depressed about not being allowed to work.

How many other people are as P-Oed as I am and is there a class action suit here?


They are legally not irresponsible....They very well know what is going on....
They are the ones who designed the whole doggone system....
At the worst you can say that they are ethically wrong...

They have no obligation to explain anything to you...
In fact some would tell you to wait for two years to file for green card and they would be well within their rights...

For a class action suit you need a credible argument.
The way the law is structured...we do not have a very good argument..

If you do find good argument let us know..I am sure there are members who would be interested...

Also who exactly would you sue ?? People have tried suing USCIS already with not much of success...

If you sue your employer..there goes your job...


The best recourse we have at present is through legislative efforts...

hopelessinseattle
03-12-2007, 11:06 AM
H1-B slavery: the American nightmare. Why would a major corporation deceive recruits only to end up with seriously unhappy employees with a serious grudge against their employer.

msp1976
03-12-2007, 01:02 PM
H1-B slavery: the American nightmare. Why would a major corporation deceive recruits only to end up with seriously unhappy employees with a serious grudge against their employer.

Well...You are definately not a slave....
You can walk away any time you like......
In the end it is the individual's decision...

Calling ourselves as slaves opens up whole new can of worms...