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dpp
07-06-2007, 01:04 PM
The Visa Bulletin for July 2007 must be read in conjunction with the Update of July Visa Availability.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3263.html

I don't know why they changed it suddenly.

makemygc
07-06-2007, 01:06 PM
The Visa Bulletin for July 2007 must be read in conjunction with the Update of July Visa Availability.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3263.html

I don't know why they changed it suddenly.

They have just linked the two things together making it more explicit.

dpp
07-06-2007, 01:09 PM
They have just linked the two things together making it more explicit.

Yah, thats true. What is necessity for them to edit that right now? May be they want to make sure that people read July bulletin must read revised bulletin also.

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 01:09 PM
They have just linked the two things together making it more explicit.
they are indeed trying to cover loopholes for people to keep applying in the window of opportunity....

logiclife
07-06-2007, 01:10 PM
There's nothing new there. Its silly actually. The later bulletin supersedes the previous bulletin and everyone knows that.

But they are just connecting the "flip" and the "flop" of their flip-flop of visa bulletin. They are saying that if you read "Flip", then "Flop" must be read too and if you read "Flop", then "Flip" must be read too, in order to make sense of the Flip-Flop.

Its like saying "I voted for current visa bulletin before I voted against it".

ramus
07-06-2007, 01:10 PM
Please change subject of this thread or close it . It seems like we have new visa bulltein from DOS..

Munna Bhai
07-06-2007, 01:11 PM
The Visa Bulletin for July 2007 must be read in conjunction with the Update of July Visa Availability.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3263.html

I don't know why they changed it suddenly.


This is too confusing, it looks like USCIS is going crazy.

eb3_nepa
07-06-2007, 01:13 PM
They are covering their STINKIN A**

logiclife
07-06-2007, 01:13 PM
I have changed the thread title.

dpp
07-06-2007, 01:15 PM
I have changed the thread title.

Thanks, i don't want to confuse, but i just put something to post it initially.

GCBy3000
07-06-2007, 01:15 PM
Look at the mistake again

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3266.html

Effective Monday July 2, 2007 there will be no further authorizations in response to requests for Employment-based preference cases. All numbers available to these categories under the FY-2007 annual numerical limitation have been made available.

IS THIS A MISTAKE OR REAL

ilwaiting
07-06-2007, 01:19 PM
Lets call it "Re Revised Visa Bulletin". Non-Existent sentence.

What are they trying to do?

desi3933
07-06-2007, 01:20 PM
Look at the mistake again

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3266.html

Effective Monday July 2, 2007 there will be no further authorizations in response to requests for Employment-based preference cases. All numbers available to these categories under the FY-2007 annual numerical limitation have been made available.

IS THIS A MISTAKE OR REAL

It is NOT a mistake. Please read it again.

All numbers available to these categories under the FY-2007 annual numerical limitation have been made available
simple means that
all visa number (for FY-2007) are used up. They were made available to USCIS by DoS.


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ramus
07-06-2007, 01:20 PM
Thank you.. I am sure this thread is going to get more and more visits..

I have changed the thread title.

diptam
07-06-2007, 01:21 PM
I dont understand how organizations like DOS , USCIS can do such
Ping-pong childish things in their official website.

Save us God !

I have changed the thread title.

dpp
07-06-2007, 01:26 PM
I dont understand how organizations like DOS , USCIS can do such
Ping-pong childish things in their official website.

Save us God !

It is sure something internally happening in DOS and USCIS on this mess. They are Scared of consequences and so trying to cover all loopholes.

gg_ny
07-06-2007, 01:27 PM
Have all those visas made available been used up so far by USCIS? I doubt it.



It is NOT a mistake. Please read it again.

All numbers available to these categories under the FY-2007 annual numerical limitation have been made available
simple means that
all visa number (for FY-2007) are used up. They were made available to USCIS by DoS.


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jonty_11
07-06-2007, 01:29 PM
Have all those visas made available been used up so far by USCIS? I doubt it.
They are not coming clean on this...first they said they used up 60K visas, now they are saying they worked over wkend to use 25K VISAS...

Its a big scandal....Just to prevent us from filing...

chanduy9
07-06-2007, 01:31 PM
Thank god(USICS)... they haven't changed the visa bulletin..by making every thing "U":D


Send flowers on JULY 10TH.

Thanks,
Chandra.

desi3933
07-06-2007, 01:32 PM
Have all those visas made available been used up so far by USCIS? I doubt it.

It depends on how visa number requested is used in the I-485 approval and how it is termed as "used" from "made available".


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chanduv23
07-06-2007, 01:33 PM
Please update your profiles on IV if you have not done so - thanks

glus
07-06-2007, 01:34 PM
This is too confusing, it looks like USCIS is going crazy.

Something is cooking and they try to cover their as.... before the legal action takes its stand....:-)), but it is too late for them..

DSJ
07-06-2007, 01:35 PM
new from Aila.org

July 2, 2007, State Department Notice to USCIS Regarding EB Visa Availability

Has anybody got more info on this.

Libra
07-06-2007, 01:35 PM
Yeah because we already sent applications before bulletin revised:D

Something is cooking and they try to cover their as.... before the legal action takes its stand....:-)), but it is too late for them..

ramus
07-06-2007, 01:38 PM
Looks like something is happening.. They must be trying to close all loop holes.

But may be it is too late now...

new from Aila.org

July 2, 2007, State Department Notice to USCIS Regarding EB Visa Availability

Has anybody got more info on this.

makemygc
07-06-2007, 01:39 PM
new from Aila.org

July 2, 2007, State Department Notice to USCIS Regarding EB Visa Availability

Has anybody got more info on this.

Does IV have AILA membership? Can we get this detail.

diptam
07-06-2007, 01:40 PM
I dont want another flurry of emails by explaining no-nonsense "conspiracy theory" behind all this (Hint - The day CIR failed , AILF came up with this 95%-98% truth in their websites and the day 2nd CIR resurrection attempt was being discussed is June 13th which is the July Bulletin release Date)

Our only option is to expose USCIS wrongdoings ( I mean all Kind of Wrongdoings ) via Media and at the end of the day show your GUTS to support AILA lawsuit by providing our real names etc... ( incase they need)

Nothing else is going to help.

We didn't do anything wrong , so lets fight for Justice.

They are not coming clean on this...first they said they used up 60K visas, now they are saying they worked over wkend to use 25K VISAS... Its a big scandal....Just to prevent us from filing...

glus
07-06-2007, 01:41 PM
I wonder what.....something is coooking and they will be some changes soon. I have a feeling they are in fear of the lawsuit and media coverage as this thing has in fact taken off....

ramus
07-06-2007, 01:45 PM
Look at total members on IV now - 1259.. This thread will keep going..

stldude
07-06-2007, 01:46 PM
I called USCIS just for fun and the rep. who answered seems to have the updated VB. He says one is linked to another and he doesn't know what this means.. He asked me to wait for 15 days and call them back..

Something's Fishy here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>

PD - May 2003 / EB3
Missed the Boat by a day - Mailed on 6/28 and reached Uscis on 7/2.

diptam
07-06-2007, 01:48 PM
For last few year...
"Backlog - retrogression - Can't process more than 1 case in 1 week, have patience guys...."

And Today ...
"Yes we can process 25000 cases in 48 hrs , that's called efficiency "

An we keep on accepting whatever is slapped on us and who knows what will be said to us in future.... "guys go home" ???

I wonder what.....something is coooking and they will be some changes soon. I have a feeling they are in fear of the lawsuit and media coverage as this thing has in fact taken off....

eb3_nepa
07-06-2007, 01:53 PM
What the USCIS has done today is what they call "Locking the stables AFTER the horse has bolted" ;)

What a bunch of idiots, i swear this is WORSE than ANY of our home countries. Like I told my friend yesterday, atleast if the USCIS call center was based in India, the answers would have been consistent. They may have all been Wrong, but atleast they would be consistent.

stldude
07-06-2007, 01:55 PM
What is the recently posted link in AILA. This is a restricted page. Can one of the Admin's try to get the contents of the link " July 2, 2007, State Department Notice to USCIS Regarding EB Visa Availability" from AILA website pls.

ramus
07-06-2007, 01:58 PM
I think I am missing something.. Can anybody explain what they did today.. I am still trying to find out difference .
Thanks.


What the USCIS has done today is what they call "Locking the stables AFTER the horse has bolted" ;)

What a bunch of idiots, i swear this is WORSE than ANY of our home countries. Like I told my friend yesterday, atleast if the USCIS call center was based in India, the answers would have been consistent. They may have all been Wrong, but atleast they would be consistent.

badluck
07-06-2007, 01:59 PM
My lawyer told me that they are working on something to accept all applications which reached on july ... lets hope he is right.

ramus
07-06-2007, 02:01 PM
I think it is made up statement from your lawyer.. Can you ask him about lnew ink on AILA..

My lawyer told me that they are working on something to accept all applications which reached on july ... lets hope he is right.

makemygc
07-06-2007, 02:01 PM
My lawyer told me that they are working on something to accept all applications which reached on july ... lets hope he is right.

Dude enough of your and your lawyer's crap. I just checked your last post. This is what you claim your lawyer said and this was posted couple of days back.

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I called my lawyer he said the are accepting applications which reached there before 12:15. does anybody have news like that or he just lying....

DSJ
07-06-2007, 02:03 PM
He is trying to spin a news and get a answer of his comfort. Guyz never stop :)

Dude enough of your and your lawyer's crap. I just checked your last post. This is what you claim your lawyer said.

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I called my lawyer he said the are accepting applications which reached there before 12:15. does anybody have news like that or he just lying....

ramus
07-06-2007, 02:03 PM
More then 1300 users online now.. As always guests are more then members..
Can guests become member now and help us with action items.

makemygc
07-06-2007, 02:04 PM
He is trying to spin a news and get a answer of his comfort. Guyz never stop :)

Or may be he is in some mental shock and need some..you know what.

diptam
07-06-2007, 02:04 PM
He is a excellent lawyer it seems , may be i'll hire him ...

What is his name , is he/she a AILA member ?


My lawyer told me that they are working on something to accept all applications which reached on july ... lets hope he is right.

skd
07-06-2007, 02:04 PM
when did your lawyer told you that . today ?

cessua
07-06-2007, 02:04 PM
This read in conjunction thing is the dumbest thing....

glus
07-06-2007, 02:05 PM
What the USCIS has done today is what they call "Locking the stables AFTER the horse has bolted" ;)

What a bunch of idiots, i swear this is WORSE than ANY of our home countries. Like I told my friend yesterday, atleast if the USCIS call center was based in India, the answers would have been consistent. They may have all been Wrong, but atleast they would be consistent.


This is going to drag forever. Now, the USCIS will surely get investigated, as they approved some applications without FBI check complete....bunch of idiots in fact. I wonder when Chertoff will resign.....

badluck
07-06-2007, 02:05 PM
Thats what he is saying.. he is an expensive lawyer...

and about crap---who the hell are you to decide... if you dont like then just ignore the post...

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 02:05 PM
He is a excellent lawyer it seems , may be i'll hire him ...

What is his name , is he/she a AILA member ?
Wahtever this may be..lets hope this is also not a rumor like the VB July Fiasco turned out not to be a rumor.

badluck
07-06-2007, 02:06 PM
when did your lawyer told you that . today ?

Today.. 12:00 EST:)

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 02:07 PM
This is going to drag forever. Now, the USCIS will surely get investigated, as they approved some applications without FBI check complete....bunch of idiots in fact. I wonder when Chertoff will resign.....
chertoff will be the one who will be questioning/grilling/waterboarding USCIS....not resigning....

diptam
07-06-2007, 02:07 PM
Badluck,
Expensive or cheap - Please name him and the contact details.

May be we want to set up a small appointment with him - who knows, Thousands of possibilities.

Why aren't you giving the name & contact details ????

Thanks dude

Thats what he is saying.. he is an expensive lawyer...
and about crap---who the hell are you to decide... if you dont like then just ignore the post...

DSJ
07-06-2007, 02:08 PM
According to the State Department, from October 1, 2006 through May 30, 2007, the USCIS requested and was authorized the total EB visa numbers of 66,426. Between June 1 and the first few days of July (?), the USCIS requested and was authorized over 60,000 EB visa numbers, in approximately one month. Since it has been made clear by the USCIS that during the last weekend of June (2 days) the USCIS approved 25,000 EB 485 applications, apparently over 40,000 visa numbers were requested and authorized before the weekend. Obviously the 60,000 plus cases must thus have been approved (?) in one month

Source: http://www.immigration-law.com/

ramus
07-06-2007, 02:08 PM
07/07/2007: State Department Record of EB Visa Number Authorization Involving Current Fiasco

According to the State Department, from October 1, 2006 through May 30, 2007, the USCIS requested and was authorized the total EB visa numbers of 66,426. Between June 1 and the first few days of July (?), the USCIS requested and was authorized over 60,000 EB visa numbers, in approximately one month. Since it has been made clear by the USCIS that during the last weekend of June 30 and July 1 (2 days) the USCIS approved 25,000 EB 485 applications, apparently over 40,000 visa numbers were requested and authorized before the weekend. Obviously the 60,000 plus cases must thus have been approved (?) in one month. Unconformed sources indicate that they processed and approved (?) a substantial number of application on Sunday, July 1, exhausting the EB numbers by July 1 and making the EB number unavailable not from July 1 but from July 2, 2007. It is interesting that even before the legal team initiate any discovery, the truth starts coming out of the cabinet a bit by bit.

makemygc
07-06-2007, 02:09 PM
Thats what he is saying.. he is an expensive lawyer...

and about crap---who the hell are you to decide... if you dont like then just ignore the post...

I'm sure he is an expensive lawyer....care to expose his name?
What happened to his prediction on 12:15AM stuff in your last post. Can you please ask him?

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 02:09 PM
According to the State Department, from October 1, 2006 through May 30, 2007, the USCIS requested and was authorized the total EB visa numbers of 66,426. Between June 1 and the first few days of July (?), the USCIS requested and was authorized over 60,000 EB visa numbers, in approximately one month. Since it has been made clear by the USCIS that during the last weekend of June (2 days) the USCIS approved 25,000 EB 485 applications, apparently over 40,000 visa numbers were requested and authorized before the weekend. Obviously the 60,000 plus cases must thus have been approved (?) in one month
ok this is from Oh's website..pelase always quote source.

glus
07-06-2007, 02:09 PM
chertoff will be the one who will be questioning/grilling/waterboarding USCIS....not resigning....

OK, so , let his loose some nerves like we did. Let him have a few weeks of sleepless nights and then he will understand.....:mad:

nk2006
07-06-2007, 02:10 PM
He is trying to spin a news and get a answer of his comfort. Guyz never stop :)

The way DOS/USCIS behaved last couple weeks anything is possilbe - now its very easy to spin news. If someone comes here and says USCIS will not accept any applications for next two years - many of us might think "logically" and suspect the news - but last week proved that logic and USCIS/DOS dont go together.

Anything is possible with is freaking idiotic dumbass orgnanization. Now I can feel a bit better - at least for next 30 mts. :)

yabadaba
07-06-2007, 02:13 PM
there is a new post on aila

"July 2, 2007, State Department Notice to USCIS Regarding EB Visa Availability"

members only

makemygc
07-06-2007, 02:15 PM
Today.. 12:00 EST:)

SKD's next question should be, what was he wearing when you talked to him? Hope he was not in his sleepwear..just waking up from his beautiful dreams.:o

DSJ
07-06-2007, 02:15 PM
Forgot in a hurry, it is updated now

ok this is from Oh's website..pelase always quote source.

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 02:18 PM
Forgot in a hurry, it is updated now
no problem buddy, I just dont want u getting caught plagializing....just kidding!

Hope for thebest..I am hoping rumors abt accepting all July applications turn out true

ramus
07-06-2007, 02:20 PM
I never saw this roumer any where..


no problem buddy, I just dont want u getting caught plagializing....just kidding!

Hope for thebest..I am hoping rumors abt accepting all July applications turn out true

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 02:25 PM
I never saw this roumer any where..
well its a few posts above on this thread..


BTW, I am wondering why DOS keeps posting updates to July VB, rather than justmaking everything "U" instead of "C".....This is confusing.

Libra
07-06-2007, 02:26 PM
rumor always starts at one place may be it started right here in this thread

I never saw this roumer any where..

dpp
07-06-2007, 02:27 PM
Nebraska Service Center
USCIS expects to provide in time-compliance for receipting of form types listed below:
Data Entry:
Compliant BY
I-131 EB 8/1/2007
I-140 EB 8/1/2007
I-485 8/1/2007
N-400 8/1/2007
All other forms are currently in time-compliance.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/ReceiptingTimes06Jul07.pdf.

So, if they accept our applications for July, we can expect the receipt numbers on Aug 1st.

prinive
07-06-2007, 02:28 PM
it seems they are planning to honor the July VB and make chanes in Aug VB. So I guess they will accept the applications in July. :rolleyes:

ramus
07-06-2007, 02:29 PM
Why USCIS suddenly did this press release? Something fishy?




Nebraska Service Center
USCIS expects to provide in time-compliance for receipting of form types listed below:
Data Entry:
Compliant BY
I-131 EB 8/1/2007
I-140 EB 8/1/2007
I-485 8/1/2007
N-400 8/1/2007
All other forms are currently in time-compliance.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/ReceiptingTimes06Jul07.pdf.

So, if they accept our applications for July, we can expect the receipt numbers on Aug 1st.

ramus
07-06-2007, 02:29 PM
When you come with such statement please give source?


it seems they are planning to honor the July VB and make chanes in Aug VB. So I guess they will accept the applications in July. :rolleyes:

abracadabra
07-06-2007, 02:29 PM
Lets see how this rumours comes out

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 02:31 PM
Why USCIS suddenly did this press release? Something fishy?
see now this rumor is taking steam.....this would make james WAtt proud...

I think we are onto something here.

abracadabra
07-06-2007, 02:32 PM
When you come with such statement please give source? Yes giving source will help all of us, as you know we have enough frustration

alterego
07-06-2007, 02:33 PM
According to the State Department, from October 1, 2006 through May 30, 2007, the USCIS requested and was authorized the total EB visa numbers of 66,426. Between June 1 and the first few days of July (?), the USCIS requested and was authorized over 60,000 EB visa numbers, in approximately one month. Since it has been made clear by the USCIS that during the last weekend of June (2 days) the USCIS approved 25,000 EB 485 applications, apparently over 40,000 visa numbers were requested and authorized before the weekend. Obviously the 60,000 plus cases must thus have been approved (?) in one month

Source: http://www.immigration-law.com/

66K plus 60K still only makes 126K, do they still have another 20K or so? How does the math tally here?

I think this all boils down to them wanting to clear the 485 backlog without accepting any more 485s all while not wasting any visa numbers for this year.
In an effort to juggle all these issues, they screwed it all up.

Bottom line is they want to streamline the system such that they don't have "unapprovable" 485s in the system. They have caught on to the way the lawyers and us legal immigrants were filing 485s to get our foot in the door then sitting tight for eons. They simply don't want that. They either want you here on a temp. visa or on a green card straightforwardly. Thats what I am getting from all this.

bheemi
07-06-2007, 02:33 PM
if it is rumor how can u expect source man..it is rumor thats all...

dpp
07-06-2007, 02:33 PM
Why USCIS suddenly did this press release? Something fishy?

Generally they give this update on last week of every month.

for May, 05/24/2007
June, 06/28/2007

For july, 07/06/2007.

I don't know why they updated us so fast with in a week on this.

senthil1
07-06-2007, 02:34 PM
If they would not have approved 25k cases in 2 days still they could change the cut off date instead of making unavailable. In any case accepting 500k to 700k applications when Visa number not available might create more problems for USCIS than current mess. I think USCIS well aware of potential lawsuit as they got opposition for similar thing for EB3 other workers in June. There is no strong motive for Scandals as no one gets Finanicial benefit in USCIS or DOS. It needs to be seen how Courts will handle Adminstrative mess up. It is highly unlikely for courts to order USCIS to accept I485 even if they find violation of law. But if court considers the lawsuit it will be used to fix some of the issues in VB regulations



07/07/2007: State Department Record of EB Visa Number Authorization Involving Current Fiasco

According to the State Department, from October 1, 2006 through May 30, 2007, the USCIS requested and was authorized the total EB visa numbers of 66,426. Between June 1 and the first few days of July (?), the USCIS requested and was authorized over 60,000 EB visa numbers, in approximately one month. Since it has been made clear by the USCIS that during the last weekend of June 30 and July 1 (2 days) the USCIS approved 25,000 EB 485 applications, apparently over 40,000 visa numbers were requested and authorized before the weekend. Obviously the 60,000 plus cases must thus have been approved (?) in one month. Unconformed sources indicate that they processed and approved (?) a substantial number of application on Sunday, July 1, exhausting the EB numbers by July 1 and making the EB number unavailable not from July 1 but from July 2, 2007. It is interesting that even before the legal team initiate any discovery, the truth starts coming out of the cabinet a bit by bit.

softwareguy
07-06-2007, 02:35 PM
July 2, 2007, State Department Notice to USCIS Regarding EB Visa Availability
The State Departmentís Immigrant Visa Control office provided AILA a copy of the notice sent to USCIS Section 245 Adjudications on July 2, 2007. AILA Doc. No. 07070663.

I don't have access to AILA.com website but this is what I gathered. - Not sure what it means.

Raju
07-06-2007, 02:35 PM
66K plus 60K still only makes 126K, do they still have another 20K or so? How does the math tally here?

I think this all boils down to them wanting to clear the 485 backlog without accepting any more 485s all while not wasting any visa numbers for this year.
In an effort to juggle all these issues, they screwed it all up.

Bottom line is they want to streamline the system such that they don't have "unapprovable" 485s in the system. They have caught on to the way the lawyers and us legal immigrants were filing 485s to get our foot in the door then sitting tight for eons. They simply don't want that. They either want you here on a visa or on a green card straightforwardly. Thats what I am getting from all this.

There are about 18K CP cases.

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 02:35 PM
66K plus 60K still only makes 126K, do they still have another 20K or so? How does the math tally here?

I think this all boils down to them wanting to clear the 485 backlog without accepting any more 485s all while not wasting any visa numbers for this year.
In an effort to juggle all these issues, they screwed it all up.

Bottom line is they want to streamline the system such that they don't have "unapprovable" 485s in the system. They have caught on to the way the lawyers and us legal immigrants were filing 485s to get our foot in the door then sitting tight for eons. They simply don't want that. They either want you here on a visa or on a green card straightforwardly. Thats what I am getting from all this.
Could be, But I still feel they did this to avoid a but load of applications simple because they DO NOT WANNA WORK.
If they think that we should be on GCs or VISA only, then they would be already working on streamlining the sytem instead of wasting so many VISAS every year as per Ombudsman's report.

delhiguy
07-06-2007, 02:35 PM
Generally they give this update on last week of every month.

for May, 05/24/2007
June, 06/28/2007

For july, 07/06/2007.

I don't know why they updated us so fast with in a week on this.

May be because they are not expecting to enter the July applications in the system (or just uptill July 2)

micofrost
07-06-2007, 02:38 PM
For sure DoS knew that something is wrong at USCIS end. Looks like they dint get along well on this one. So instead of saying that all the visa numbers has been used up, they said " all the entire 2007 numbers has been made available". Which means they know very well USCIS are still processing the cases, even after July 2nd.

Looks like, DOS trying to clean their hands and put the blame on USCIS.

This is what happened. Again my thoughts based on last fews days before the july 2nd.
USCIS was angered by DOS making it current for all categories. Every one knows there will be a minimum 100K apps flooding their gates. Imagine the revenue loss for them just bcoz of making it current b4 30th july. They expected DOS to make it current from Aug 1st instead of July 1st. Had the immigration bill passed, as promised by the GOVT., they would have stand to gain $4B in grants to secure the border. But the bill crashed on 27th of june. So what do they do to stop this loss of revenue from our application. They have to use of the entire fiscal 2007 quota in three days so that legally they can't accept more applications. Now that is legally correct. But they way they claimed all the visas within 4 days wasn't played by the rules and where the AILF stands chance to file a lawsuit against them.

Someone in the USCIS was hell bent upon forcing the DOS to make it unavailable for July. WHY ?

prinive
07-06-2007, 02:38 PM
That is what my law firm told me. Just an FYI.. I did file my I485 in june. Today I called the law firm to check whether they got my Receipt number. That is when I was told this. I wish that is true. Usually they give accurate info. They even told me that July VB will be revised (within 10 days after the release.) So I wish this time also this becomes true so every one can be benifited.



When you come with such statement please give source?

CADude
07-06-2007, 02:42 PM
I am 100% agree!! Two Govt Dept has their own ego and problems. They didn't work in tandem. Now they have to face the music of AILF. :D

For sure DoS knew that something is wrong at USCIS end. Looks like they dint get along well on this one. So instead of saying that all the visa numbers has been used up, they said " all the entire 2007 numbers has been made available". Which means they know very well USCIS are still processing the cases, even after July 2nd.

Looks like, DOS trying to clean their hands and put the blame on USCIS.

This is what happened. Again my thoughts based on last fews days before the july 2nd.
USCIS was angered by DOS making it current for all categories. Every one knows there will be a minimum 100K apps flooding their gates. Imagine the revenue loss for them just bcoz of making it current b4 30th july. They expected DOS to make it current from Aug 1st instead of July 1st. Had the immigration bill passed, as promised by the GOVT., they would have stand to gain $4B in grants to secure the border. But the bill crashed on 27th of june. So what do they do to stop this loss of revenue from our application. They have to use of the entire fiscal 2007 quota in three days so that legally they can't accept more applications. Now that is legally correct. But they way they claimed all the visas within 4 days wasn't played by the rules and where the AILF stands chance to file a lawsuit against them.

Someone in the USCIS was hell bent upon forcing the DOS to make it unavailable for July. WHY ?

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 02:42 PM
we really need this benefit....or else we may have our hair on fire....
Rumor has to be true..or else I am ......................going to Canada

pandu_hawaldar
07-06-2007, 02:46 PM
http://infotech.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2180544.cms

kdprasad
07-06-2007, 02:49 PM
I dont understand how organizations like DOS , USCIS can do such
Ping-pong childish things in their official website.

Save us God !

This shows that they are preparing for the legal fight!! Covering up as much as they can.

EndlessWait
07-06-2007, 02:50 PM
Cmon stop the rumour. Just because some of you sent the application on 2nd doesnt mean that they will honour it. If and if they do , there will be much more serious and valid lawsuit, because they've already issued a revision from 2nd July. Under law they have to give everyone a fair and equal chance (including the ones who haven't sent there application but were eligible as per old July bulletin).

So pls stop cooking rumours from your lawyer. He simply doesn't want to pay back your fee and keeping your hope high..

2 cents

badluck
07-06-2007, 02:52 PM
Cmon stop the rumour. Just because some of you sent the application on 2nd doesnt mean that they will honour it. If and if they do , there will be much more serious and valid lawsuit, because they've already issued a revision from 2nd July. Under law they have to give everyone a fair and equal chance.

So pls stop cooking rumours from your lawyer. He simply doesn't want to pay back your fee and keeping your hope high..

2 cents

I think you sent your application after july 2...:D

alterego
07-06-2007, 02:53 PM
There are about 18K CP cases.


Yeah but if the PDs are set as unavailable, what can they do about those cases anyway, as the priority date has to be current on the day of approval in the consulate.
Furthermore, unlike with 485s they can't consular process 18K cases on a Sunday! It is not a centralised process for them to do that.

EndlessWait
07-06-2007, 02:53 PM
I think you sent your application after july 2...:D

haha very funny..:cool:

Raju
07-06-2007, 02:55 PM
Yeah but if the PDs are set as unavailable, what can they do about those cases anyway, as the priority date has to be current on the day of approval in the consulate.
Furthermore, unlike with 485s they can't consular process 18K cases on a Sunday! It is not a centralised process for them to do that.

I think they have to be current when they get an appointment or something like that. I am pretty sure that they accounted those 18k as CP numbers

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 02:55 PM
we are indeed a bunch of smart people..I wonder why we cannot achieve more..
please contribute and participat ein Media Drive.

badluck
07-06-2007, 02:55 PM
haha very funny..:cool:

My man,

Thats why you dont want this rumor to come true... ask your lawyer to sent it ASAP..

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 02:56 PM
http://infotech.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2180544.cms
old news...please look thru threads before posting.

BharatPremi
07-06-2007, 02:57 PM
This is too confusing, it looks like USCIS is going crazy.

No This is a height of Cruelity from USCIS. They must have interpreted lot of phone calls and inquiries as "people might not have understood the revision" as they are not from "English Speaking" countries so change it and put "Flip" and "Flop" together as somebody mentioned ahead. But if people might not have understood "Flip" and "Flop" then how can they understand "Flip-Flop"?:)

gc_aspirant_prasad
07-06-2007, 02:57 PM
we really need this benefit....or else we may have our hair on fire....
Rumor has to be true..or else I am ......................going to Canada
me too. Personally I think Australia might have better weather but Canada is closer

makemygc
07-06-2007, 02:58 PM
me too. Personally I think Australia might have better weather but Canada is closer
How about newzealand?

badluck
07-06-2007, 02:58 PM
me too. Personally I think Australia might have better weather but Canada is closer

why not our motherland INDIA

saimrathi
07-06-2007, 02:59 PM
Or Singapore...

How about newzealand?

alterego
07-06-2007, 03:00 PM
I think they have to be current when they get an appointment or something like that. I am pretty sure that they accounted those 18k as CP numbers

Definitely not when you get the appointment. I am 100% certain of that. There have been cases of people going for the consular appointment and not getting it as dates retrogressed.

Only possibility is that the cases up to May were the 66K for 485s PLUS 18K for CP throughout the year until may. Right now noone wanting to get into the system will go for CP.

makemygc
07-06-2007, 03:00 PM
why not our motherland INDIA

coz we need some place to go for vacation ;)

Raju
07-06-2007, 03:00 PM
No This is a height of Cruelity from USCIS. They must have interpreted lot of phone calls and inquiries as "people might not have understood the revision" as they are not from "English Speaking" countries so change it and put "Flip" and "Flop" together as somebody mentioned ahead. But if people might not have understood "Flip" and "Flop" then how can they understand "Flip-Flop"?:)

They posted the revised bulletin in a hurry. They should have done this on July 2nd. The actual july bulletin consists FB dates and other dates.

Raju
07-06-2007, 03:01 PM
coz we need some place to go for vacation ;)
:D nice one

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 03:02 PM
They posted the revised bulletin in a hurry. They should have done this on July 2nd. The actual july bulletin consists FB dates and other dates.
i think they did revise it on July 2nd..didnt they?

pitha
07-06-2007, 03:04 PM
I doubt it, uscis used up 60k visas in one month just to make sure we dont get any ead, why in the world after doing all this nonsense would they accept our applications.

My lawyer told me that they are working on something to accept all applications which reached on july ... lets hope he is right.

EndlessWait
07-06-2007, 03:05 PM
My man,

Thats why you dont want this rumor to come true... ask your lawyer to sent it ASAP..

dude..i'm a straight guy..go find some other man....

and as much as i would like this rumour to come true (will create another lawsuit from 80% people who haven't filed).. i still wont give in...

finally..even if the lawsuit is filed..it would take years to settle by that time i hope and pray everyone gets to file..

Raju
07-06-2007, 03:05 PM
i think they did revise it on July 2nd..didnt they?

But when they revised it on July 2nd they took the original VB offline. Now they bring the original VB back online and they are asking folks look at both of them together.

makemygc
07-06-2007, 03:07 PM
I doubt it, uscis used up 60k visas in one month just to make sure we dont get any ead, why in the world after doing all this nonsense would they accept our applications.

Well...this is the same argument we gave when we first heard about the July VB rumour in june but no one belived. I hope badluck's lawyer brings us some good luck but this is hard to believe this time.

jambapamba
07-06-2007, 03:07 PM
Are they really accepting applications? What do you mean by accpeting!? They are just taking the applications but are not opening it. There is already a queue for opening those....and currently they are opening the applications recieved in Jun20th and around(I am just basing on the 485 applicants submitted around that timeframe and have not recieved a receipt notice yet). They will get to the ones as time goes by.....:rolleyes:

I doubt it, uscis used up 60k visas in one month just to make sure we dont get any ead, why in the world after doing all this nonsense would they accept our applications.

jambapamba
07-06-2007, 03:10 PM
No, they did not take the original offline...it was there online in archived sections. They may be getting calls seeing the current one and the archived one....so they thought to clarify (making us read both of them together). That is all.

{hmm....that makes me think...did USCIS complain to DOS that they are still receiving 485's and that the old bulletin still exists online. So, DOS found this solution....Just my 0.02
}
But when they revised it on July 2nd they took the original VB offline. Now they bring the original VB back online and they are asking folks look at both of them together.

DSJ
07-06-2007, 03:11 PM
Make sure you don't have internet in that area :D (You might accidentally login here are ruin your vacation)

coz we need some place to go for vacation ;)

test101
07-06-2007, 03:11 PM
I do not see a reason for what they are doing. The Original July VB was in Archived Bulletins as of july 2nd. The revised one is placed in the current visa Bulletins. So why the changes? is there any diference?

eagerr2i
07-06-2007, 03:12 PM
The USCIS automated line for Priority dates is still playing the PD's for June 2007 showing that EB-3 India cut off June 1st 2003 etc..

We have so contrasting images of the efficiency of USCIS. Hope they keep the same tempo as of the last week of June on Oct 1st when the FY 2008 quota kicks in.

paisa
07-06-2007, 03:15 PM
The USCIS automated line for Priority dates is still playing the PD's for June 2007 showing that EB India cut off June 1st 2003 etc..

We have so contrasting images of the efficiency of USCIS. Hope they keep the same tempo as of the last week of June on Oct 1st when the FT 2008 quota kicks in.

I think we should all chill and not worry what is going to happen. Have a beer. Say Happy Birthday to GW Bush. if the visas are over there is nothing USCIS can do. They cannot generate numbers automatically. So chill everyone.

makemygc
07-06-2007, 03:19 PM
Make sure you don't have internet in that area :D (You might accidentally login here are ruin your vacation)

Well that's hard to find because in India even villages have better communication system these days. They all use cell phones since govt could not provide land lines. Internet is definitely all over the place.

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 03:19 PM
The USCIS automated line for Priority dates is still playing the PD's for June 2007 showing that EB-3 India cut off June 1st 2003 etc..

We have so contrasting images of the efficiency of USCIS. Hope they keep the same tempo as of the last week of June on Oct 1st when the FY 2008 quota kicks in.
Man you wish too much....

they will never make numbers current in Oct 07...even if they are...esp after this lawsuit...

pappu
07-06-2007, 03:27 PM
The USCIS automated line for Priority dates is still playing the PD's for June 2007 showing that EB-3 India cut off June 1st 2003 etc..

We have so contrasting images of the efficiency of USCIS. Hope they keep the same tempo as of the last week of June on Oct 1st when the FY 2008 quota kicks in.
The automated line is actually a human trying to speak like a machine :D

If you call the number one has to press so many buttons, hear so many messages and finally when you reach an actual person, it is difficult to get any details on your case.

Raju
07-06-2007, 03:27 PM
The USCIS automated line for Priority dates is still playing the PD's for June 2007 showing that EB-3 India cut off June 1st 2003 etc..

We have so contrasting images of the efficiency of USCIS. Hope they keep the same tempo as of the last week of June on Oct 1st when the FY 2008 quota kicks in.

They were/are so busy approving cases that they donot have time to update the message. Everyone from Janitors to Execs have been working for the last week to approve those 66K cases.

IN2US
07-06-2007, 03:33 PM
Everyone from Janitors to Execs have been working for the last week to approve those 66K cases.


--- Good one :D

diptam
07-06-2007, 03:35 PM
More important is the last 48 hrs where they processed 25000 cases
AT-WILL.

Ohh this guy has a good first name - 485 granted.
Ohh this guy married twice,needs money - 485 granted.
Ooh this girl doesnt look good - 485 denied.
Ooh this girl has excellent looks - 485 granted.
Ooh This couple stayed EUROPE not so loyal - 485 denied.

and so on and so forth....


They were/are so busy approving cases that they donot have time to update the message. Everyone from Janitors to Execs have been working for the last week to approve those 66K cases.

Raju
07-06-2007, 03:37 PM
More important is the last 48 hrs where they processed 25000 cases
AT-WILL.

Ohh this guy has a good first name - 485 granted.
Ohh this guy married twice,needs money - 485 granted.
Ooh this girl doesnt look good - 485 denied.
Ooh this girl has excellent looks - 485 granted.
Ooh This couple stayed EUROPE not so loyal - 485 denied.

and so on and so forth....

I doubt if anyone was denied. They have to approve anyone and everyone to meet the numbers.

diptam
07-06-2007, 03:42 PM
Ooh - you are right !!! It took me more time to write the above than it took 25 USCIS workers to approve 25,000 I-485's... (48 hrs X 60 mins X 25) / 25000 = 3 mins.

They are thinking us dumb fools because we are immigrants and we have to accept whatever they say !!

I doubt if anyone was denied. They have to approve anyone and everyone to meet the numbers.

ramus
07-06-2007, 03:47 PM
We should learn something from USCIS.. If they have worked hard for 48 hours on last weekend, we should work more this weekend and do whatever we can to help core members.
__________________________________________________ ______________



More important is the last 48 hrs where they processed 25000 cases
AT-WILL.

Ohh this guy has a good first name - 485 granted.
Ohh this guy married twice,needs money - 485 granted.
Ooh this girl doesnt look good - 485 denied.
Ooh this girl has excellent looks - 485 granted.
Ooh This couple stayed EUROPE not so loyal - 485 denied.

and so on and so forth....

abhijitp
07-06-2007, 03:48 PM
We should learn something from USCIS.. If they have worked hard for 48 hours on last weekend, we should work more this weekend and do whatever we can to help core members.
__________________________________________________ ______________

I second that!

makemygc
07-06-2007, 03:49 PM
We should learn something from USCIS.. If they have worked hard for 48 hours on last weekend, we should work more this weekend and do whatever we can to help core members.
__________________________________________________ ______________
definitely if the result on Monday is the reversal of USCIS decision and July is open again.

stldude
07-06-2007, 03:56 PM
Anything we can do to get through without having to spend sleepless nights till Oct'.......

aarbi
07-06-2007, 04:12 PM
Anything we can do to get through without having to spend sleepless nights till Oct'.......

why would you have sleepless nights till Oct? Did you have sleepless nights before June 13th? Your sleepiness should be the same as it was before June 13th!

Libra
07-06-2007, 04:18 PM
There are many members who think IV and other members are fighting for re-reversal of VB or increase in visa number for 2007....

why dont they understand that we are fighting to avoid rejection, we are not asking them to re-revise bulletin, all we want is just accept the application without rejecting them, so that we can save ourselves from loosing money and time. dont make fun of IV and other members who's putting their efforts in it, no matter what the result is. if you dont want to participate please stop visiting this forum.

Paisa you too man.

definitely if the result on Monday is the reversal of USCIS decision and July is open again.

stldude
07-06-2007, 04:20 PM
Nobody was complaining b4 Jun 13th.. It's sucks when people get their hopes up and then go back to the infinite wait stage again... USCIS should be held responsible for it... Don't u agree ??

why would you have sleepless nights till Oct? Did you have sleepless nights before June 13th? Your sleepiness should be the same as it was before June 13th!

paisa
07-06-2007, 04:23 PM
--- Good one :D
you mean 60k

Libra
07-06-2007, 04:25 PM
aarbi, did you do your medicals, did you loose your work day, did you paid your attorney, did your wife(if any) came back from middle of the vacation, did you had health problem when you done your medicals....did your app got stuck at USCIS for years......
sleepless nights for those people who's answer is YES for most of the above questions

why would you have sleepless nights till Oct? Did you have sleepless nights before June 13th? Your sleepiness should be the same as it was before June 13th!

paisa
07-06-2007, 04:25 PM
can someone tell me who is core? I hear core mentioned all the time here

saimrathi
07-06-2007, 04:26 PM
http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&Itemid=49

can someone tell me who is core? I hear core mentioned all the time here

IN2US
07-06-2007, 04:26 PM
you mean 60k

I meant janitors approving 485 applications

makemygc
07-06-2007, 04:29 PM
There are many members who think IV and other members are fighting for re-reversal of VB or increase in visa number for 2007....

why dont they understand that we are fighting to avoid rejection, we are not asking them to re-revise bulletin, all we want is just accept the application without rejecting them, so that we can save ourselves from loosing money and time. dont make fun of IV and other members who's putting their efforts in it, no matter what the result is. if you dont want to participate please stop visiting this forum.

Paisa you too man.

I don't mean to disrespect you but I guess you are going too far with your words. We are with IV much before you born..ok so do not dare teach us what we should be doing, with your 49 posts.

Now back to your comments. You seem to be lost in some dreamy world. What do you mean by just accept the application, so that you can save yourself from loosing money. Do you worry about your GC/EAD or saving your money. From your posts it look like you are more interested in getting your money back than the eligibility to file for EAD.

I'm sure IV does not agree with you and that's not the IV goal. Focus is on to make USCIS accept what they promise and that is accepting the applications files on July for AOS.

What you are trying to do is twist your own agenda of getting your money back by making it as an IV goal. It's not a bad thing to save money or asking the money back from USCIS, which you anyway going to get when they reject your application and send your check back. As far as attorney's fees are concerned, lot of attorney's are going to refile without any charge or for some additional meagre fees.
Now the decision is yours, whether you want to get your money or you want the eligibility to file for EAD/GC/AP.

Libra
07-06-2007, 04:43 PM
You might be senior member than me, i may not post my comments more offenly, i just read what others are saying. Even i dont mean to disrespect you, and whatever i said below is not to offend you. I hope you understand

I don't mean to disrespect you but I guess you are going too far with your words. [COLOR="Black"]We are with IV much before you born.[/COLOR...really core born in 1970's i cant beleive that]. ok so do not dare teach us what we should be doing, with your 49 posts there are many who had 200 to 300 posts but dont say a sensible word

Now back to your comments. You seem to be lost in some dreamy world. What do you mean by just accept the application, so that you can save yourself from loosing money. Do you worry about your GC/EAD or saving your money. From your posts it look like you are more interested in getting your money back than the eligibility to file for EAD.
this is not my agenda, and by the way am not asking USCIS to give back my money which i paid in fees, i have that much sense, if they dont accept my app then they dont draw my money. first read my post properly and then comment and am not living in any dream, when USCIS can do anything they can do this one too. and this is my opinion not IV's. I made that comment because many of them discouraging other by -ve talk

I'm sure IV does not agree with you and that's not the IV goal. Focus is on to make USCIS accept what they promise and that is accepting the applications files on July for AOS.

What you are trying to do is twist your own agenda of getting your money back by making it as an IV goal. It's not a bad thing to save money or asking the money back from USCIS, which you anyway going to get when they reject your application and send your check back. As far as attorney's fees are concerned, lot of attorney's are going to refile without any charge or for some additional meagre fees.
Now the decision is yours, whether you want to get your money or you want the eligibility to file for EAD/GC/AP.

cjain
07-06-2007, 05:03 PM
AILA has reported a very interesting or confusing DOS LegalNet Office letter which one of the members received towards the fact that the consular posts had already been allocated their numbers for the month of July prior to EB visa numbers becoming unavailable on July 2 and that the posts may continue to use their July allocations of EB numbers, and continue to issue Immigrant Visas for the rest of this month, July, for those applicants who were scheduled for IV interviews in July. Hm.....................................

Raju
07-06-2007, 05:05 PM
AILA has reported a very interesting or confusing DOS LegalNet Office letter which one of the members received towards the fact that the consular posts had already been allocated their numbers for the month of July prior to EB visa numbers becoming unavailable on July 2 and that the posts may continue to use their July allocations of EB numbers, and continue to issue Immigrant Visas for the rest of this month, July, for those applicants who were scheduled for IV interviews in July. Hm.....................................

This was what I mentioned earlier. This was reported by AILA a while ago.

chanduv23
07-06-2007, 05:13 PM
This is confusing - so what about AOS cases? For AOS we definitely cannot do appointment scheduling ...

alterego
07-06-2007, 05:33 PM
I think they have to be current when they get an appointment or something like that. I am pretty sure that they accounted those 18k as CP numbers


See what I was saying. They are not supposed to grant CP appointments and approvals in July per the regulations. They have decided to bend the rules to approve the currently pending 485s and CPs. They came up with this lame excuse that since the visas were already shipped out to the consular posts ................yada yada. Point is as I said they can't do 18K CP applicatrions in a day at the consulates the way they seem to have done for the 485s. Even this I am not sure.
I doubt whether they have sent out all 60K 485 approvals either, they probably will in the course of the next month or thereabouts.
I'll say it again, they want 485s out but they don't want them in for whatever reason. It is getting clearer.

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 05:35 PM
they dont want any 485s coming in because they worked on a Sunday which (like this VB fiasco) is unprecedented..and they want to take OFF until Oct now.....

GCBy3000
07-06-2007, 05:49 PM
What does this statement mean?

http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/ReceiptingTimes06Jul07.pdf


per existing policies and procedures, requests for Premium Processing Service will continue to be processed within 15 days. USCIS wishes to assure all customers that the original received date (the date which the document is date stamped) will be honored and recorded on the receipt notice. This date will appear in the "Received Date" box on Form I-797, Notice of Action. The received date is different from the "Notice Date", which also appears on Form I-797. The Notice Date is the date the receipt notice was actually generated.



Why USCIS suddenly did this press release? Something fishy?

GCBy3000
07-06-2007, 05:54 PM
nice and humourous. Very good.

coz we need some place to go for vacation ;)

TomPlate
07-06-2007, 06:13 PM
One thing everybody need to understand here is we should not show anger even though we are angry. Please mind your words in the forum. Too bad from all people writing words which are not good.

This website is searchable from search engines like google.com and it is really bad to see any anger and bad words in this website.

Administrator do you have filter mechanism.

test101
07-06-2007, 06:17 PM
From OH mathew

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

07/06/2007: Revised July 2007 Visa Bulletin

The State Department has just released new July 2007 Visa Bulletin rather than "Update." It appears that this is intended to make it official July 2007 Visa Bulletin rather than previous release which was "update" in anticipation of the ALF class action lawsuit. One of the claims which have been addressed by various sources, INCLUDING THIS WEBSITE, was whether "update" can be considered a revised Visa Bulletin for the purpose of the regulations of DOS and USCIS. If it is not, the USCIS would have no authority to reject the I-485 applications in July.
There is still confusion as to which one is considered July Visa Bulletin which is provided in the DOS and USCIS regulations as they have released three versions: (1) Visa Bulletin released in June; (2) Update of July Visa Bulletin; and (3) July Visa Bulletin which has just been released today. This can affect the definition of "class" of the class action and latter two releases can fall under the two different classes. I wonder why the DOS is adding further confusion to the nation which is already in a state of extreme confusion and in despair because of their previous action.

http://www.immigration-law.com/

Libra
07-06-2007, 06:17 PM
All -ve thinking and -ve posts guys one more victim is waiting for your stinking comments go ahead and enjoy by discouraging others

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6156

pitha
07-06-2007, 06:23 PM
thats why aila lawsuit is important, if they can bend the rules for consular processing and a lot of other mischief for eating up 60k visas then they can bend there rules for giving us EAD as well when bulletin is revised.

See what I was saying. They are not supposed to grant CP appointments and approvals in July per the regulations. They have decided to bend the rules to approve the currently pending 485s and CPs. They came up with this lame excuse that since the visas were already shipped out to the consular posts ................yada yada. Point is as I said they can't do 18K CP applicatrions in a day at the consulates the way they seem to have done for the 485s. Even this I am not sure.
I doubt whether they have sent out all 60K 485 approvals either, they probably will in the course of the next month or thereabouts.
I'll say it again, they want 485s out but they don't want them in for whatever reason. It is getting clearer.

GCBy3000
07-06-2007, 06:23 PM
I am not seeing this in mathew Oh site. Where did you get this from?

From OH mathew

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

07/06/2007: Revised July 2007 Visa Bulletin

The State Department has just released new July 2007 Visa Bulletin rather than "Update." It appears that this is intended to make it official July 2007 Visa Bulletin rather than previous release which was "update" in anticipation of the ALF class action lawsuit. One of the claims which have been addressed by various sources, INCLUDING THIS WEBSITE, was whether "update" can be considered a revised Visa Bulletin for the purpose of the regulations of DOS and USCIS. If it is not, the USCIS would have no authority to reject the I-485 applications in July.
There is still confusion as to which one is considered July Visa Bulletin which is provided in the DOS and USCIS regulations as they have released three versions: (1) Visa Bulletin released in June; (2) Update of July Visa Bulletin; and (3) July Visa Bulletin which has just been released today. This can affect the definition of "class" of the class action and latter two releases can fall under the two different classes. I wonder why the DOS is adding further confusion to the nation which is already in a state of extreme confusion and in despair because of their previous action.

http://www.immigration-law.com/

ramus
07-06-2007, 06:24 PM
07/06/2007: Temporary Restrain Order of July Visa Bulletin Lawsuit Filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois as Separate from AILF Class Action

On July 6, 2007, the attorneys of Azulay, Horn & Seiden lawfirm filed this lawsuit individually in Illinois.


From OH

test101
07-06-2007, 06:26 PM
http://www.immigration-law.com/ under breaking news.
also they just updated the following

07/06/2007: Temporary Restrain Order of July Visa Bulletin Lawsuit Filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois as Separate from AILF Class Action

On July 6, 2007, the attorneys of Azulay, Horn & Seiden lawfirm filed this lawsuit individually in Illinois.

seriously i'm about to loose my marbels from today confusing news.

GCard_Dream
07-06-2007, 06:31 PM
Can someone explain what "Temporary Restrain Order" would do if it were successful. It sounds to me that the lawsuit is asking the court to temporarily invalidate the July visa bulletin so that USCIS will be forced to accept the applications. Is this a reasonable understanding? Any lawyers here?

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 06:34 PM
just like they made EB3 other workers number "U" in mid June...why didnt they do the same for all EB categries in July >?????

Why are they still showing CURRENT>

ksurjan
07-06-2007, 06:36 PM
I dont see anything about the law suit on OH site.
Can someone explain what "Temporary Restrain Order" would do if it were successful. It sounds to me that the lawsuit is asking the court to temporarily invalidate the July visa bulletin so that USCIS will be forced to accept the applications. Is this a reasonable understanding? Any lawyers here?

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 06:37 PM
look closely..I think this fiasco is affecting the basic senses also.

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 06:37 PM
just like they made EB3 other workers number "U" in mid June...why didnt they do the same for all EB categries in July >?????

Why are they still showing CURRENT>
what does the answer to this question mean?

makemygc
07-06-2007, 06:39 PM
I dont see anything about the law suit on OH site.

Clear you cache by hitting CTRL + F5

rick_rajvanshi
07-06-2007, 06:41 PM
7/06/2007: Temporary Restraining Order of July Visa Bulletin Lawsuit Filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois as Separate from AILF Class Action

* On July 6, 2007, the attorneys of Azulay, Horn & Seiden lawfirm filed this lawsuit individually in Illinois.

jonty_11
07-06-2007, 06:44 PM
7/06/2007: Temporary Restraining Order of July Visa Bulletin Lawsuit Filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois as Separate from AILF Class Action

* On July 6, 2007, the attorneys of Azulay, Horn & Seiden lawfirm filed this lawsuit individually in Illinois.
Ok here I go again in this Chicken and Egg situation......

Now that someone filed a lawsuit to invalidate the July VB, which BTW is still CURRENT.......it could invalidate the CURRENT sttatus....of all Eb categories....precisely what DOS USCIS wants....

My head is spinning.......Beer anyone?

test101
07-06-2007, 06:46 PM
Ok here I go again in this Chicken and Egg situation......

Now that someone filed a lawsuit to invalidate the July VB, which BTW is still CURRENT.......it could invalidate the CURRENT sttatus....of all Eb categories....precisely what DOS USCIS wants....

My head is spinning.......Beer anyone?

join the club...news make no sence at all.

vjkypally
07-06-2007, 06:47 PM
Does Condi know what shes speakin? That they worked during weekend clearing 25000 visas so that no one can apply on July 2nd.

desi3933
07-06-2007, 06:52 PM
See what I was saying. They are not supposed to grant CP appointments and approvals in July per the regulations. They have decided to bend the rules to approve the currently pending 485s and CPs. They came up with this lame excuse that since the visas were already shipped out to the consular posts ................yada yada. Point is as I said they can't do 18K CP applicatrions in a day at the consulates the way they seem to have done for the 485s. Even this I am not sure.
I doubt whether they have sent out all 60K 485 approvals either, they probably will in the course of the next month or thereabouts.
I'll say it again, they want 485s out but they don't want them in for whatever reason. It is getting clearer.

Incorrect.

The visa number is requested and alloted at the time of scheduling interview for immigrant visa for CP. If the interview results in declining the visa, then visa number is sent back to DoS. This is standard practice.

Typically for all July interviews, visa number is already allocated (in May/June). So these applicants can be still issued immigrant visa (aka green card) if they clear the interview.

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Not a legal advice.

softwareguy
07-06-2007, 06:54 PM
And how does it not apply to AOS.
For Consular processing people have to plan trips and get medical and all that.

Why doesnt the same analogy apply to AOS. - Please explain...:confused:

Immi_Nightmare
07-06-2007, 06:56 PM
aarbi, did you do your medicals, did you loose your work day, did you paid your attorney, did your wife(if any) came back from middle of the vacation, did you had health problem when you done your medicals....did your app got stuck at USCIS for years......
sleepless nights for those people who's answer is YES for most of the above questions

My wife is in the exact sme situation as yours . She to scramble around in India to get her passport re-validated after my H1 extension in the middle of her vacation and board the next flight to US , go through the medical tests only to find out that the dates have been pushed back again.

GCard_Dream
07-06-2007, 06:57 PM
You may have to hit refresh in your browser to see it. Give it a try.

I dont see anything about the law suit on OH site.

sunny1000
07-06-2007, 07:24 PM
And how does it not apply to AOS.
For Consular processing people have to plan trips and get medical and all that.

Why doesnt the same analogy apply to AOS. - Please explain...:confused:

The difference is that AOS is handled by USCIS and the CP is done by DOS. It is the USCIS which ran out of the 60000 visas (supposedly) before July 1st even though DOS opened those numbers up for the entire July.

Now, DOS is saying to USCIS " you guys used your quota even before the rush started and so, we won't give you any more visa numbers but, we will continue to honor our quota via CP which we accounted for July". Just my interpretation. Don't shoot the messenger ;)

royus77
07-06-2007, 08:05 PM
They can potentially avoid a law suit by making the revised July VB ( version 2) released today ?Any thoughts

prinive
07-19-2007, 03:20 PM
This is what I heared even before the flower campaigns started.

it seems they are planning to honor the July VB and make chanes in Aug VB. So I guess they will accept the applications in July. :rolleyes:

saimrathi
07-19-2007, 03:23 PM
Why dont you tell us when we will get the GC .. since you already knew what they were going to do about the July VB.. :rolleyes:


This is what I heared even before the flower campaigns started.

Originally Posted by prinive
it seems they are planning to honor the July VB and make chanes in Aug VB. So I guess they will accept the applications in July.