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Angry Desi with OCI card faces difficulty while entering India

Desi with an OCI card faces difficulty while entering India- Visa Power-Travel-Services-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times


On my most recent visit to India in February 2010, I ran into a little trouble at the immigration check post at the Chhatrapati Shivaji International airport, Mumbai. I had just arrived on a sixteen-hour Air India direct flight from the John F. Kennedy airport in New York, with a newly issued US passport and an Overseas Citizen of India (OCI) card obtained through the Consulate General of India (CGI), New York. As it turned out, I needed the class 'U' visa issued along with the OCI card, which was stamped in my expired US passport that I had not thought to bring with me. I was made to pay forty US dollars for a five-day temporary entry visa known as Temporary Landing Facility (TLF). In effect, my OCI card was rendered useless...

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Default Thats how it works.

If a country has such a rule. Follow it.

If you ARE NOT a citizen DO NOT EXPECT to get benefits because you WERE a citizen.
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If a country has such a rule. Follow it.

If you ARE NOT a citizen DO NOT EXPECT to get benefits because you WERE a citizen.
No one asking for not follow it. If there is rule everyone has to follow that. How people asking to modify the allotment of Visa numbers same way people are expecting Govt. of India to issue one document which can be used to enter and exit for PIO and OCIs irrespective of the passport they are carrying.
If they are not trusting the document which they have issued then who will trust it?
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Its always good idea to carry expired/old passport when you travel out of country
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I completely agree with number30. Unless there is change nobody can stop have these kind of troubles.....
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No one asking for not follow it. If there is rule everyone has to follow that. How people asking to modify the allotment of Visa numbers same way people are expecting Govt. of India to issue one document which can be used to enter and exit for PIO and OCIs irrespective of the passport they are carrying.
If they are not trusting the document which they have issued then who will trust it?

OCI card is valid only with U visa stamp. It is clearly mentioned that both are needed for entry into India.



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No one asking for not follow it. If there is rule everyone has to follow that. How people asking to modify the allotment of Visa numbers same way people are expecting Govt. of India to issue one document which can be used to enter and exit for PIO and OCIs irrespective of the passport they are carrying.
If they are not trusting the document which they have issued then who will trust it?
Here are the rules for OCI from embassy/application documents:

1. OCI card is invalid without valid "U" stamp.

2. When you get new passport, get your "U" stamp validated again in new passport.

3. If you have have it in your expired old passport, you have to carray it along with new passport.

Rules are clear. It is the consumer's responsibility to follow it.
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OCI card is valid only with U visa stamp. It is clearly mentioned that both are needed for entry into India.



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Most of us are aware of that. But what I am saying is if someone has OCI or PIO card they must accept that document without looking U visa stamp. It is just redundant. Why can't they believe their own document instead of relying on document issued by some other country?
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Most of us are aware of that. But what I am saying is if someone has OCI or PIO card they must accept that document without looking U visa stamp. It is just redundant.
That's the rule clearly mentioned when applicant applied for OCI. So, it is his/her responsibility to follow it. Who are you to say that they must follow without looking at the U visa stamp? You don't make rules while applying for visa from other country? Yes, OCI is a visa too.

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Why can't they believe their own document instead of relying on document issued by some other country?

What are you smoking? Both OCI and U visa are issued by Govt of India. Which document is that issued by other country and they are relying on it.
Just don't harp anything without thinking.


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Most of us are aware of that. But what I am saying is if someone has OCI or PIO card they must accept that document without looking U visa stamp. It is just redundant. Why can't they believe their own document instead of relying on document issued by some other country?
Your question is valid and makes sense as many have the same in their mind about OCI cards and U stamps.

BUT, Govt. of India made such a rule for OCI when they designed the program and it has been there since the OCI was born. So we can not do anything about.

Because OCI has enough rights as citizens, so they want to make sure noone misuses it. May be down the road, rules are changed.

But what happened in the given case is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT and no one can blame the indian officials.

We should appreciate them for giving 1 week visa instead of issuing a "Expedited Removal" or "Forcing to withdraw the application" order.
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http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1139.html

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Dual Nationality: In 2006, India launched the "Overseas Citizens of India" (OCI) program, which has often been mischaracterized as a dual nationality program, as it does not grant Indian citizenship. Thus, an American who obtains an OCI card is not a citizen of India and remains a citizen of the United States. An OCI card in reality is similar to a U.S. "green card" in that a holder can travel to and from India indefinitely, work in India, study in India, and own property in India (except for certain agricultural and plantation properties). An OCI holder, however, does not receive an Indian passport, cannot vote in Indian elections and is not eligible for Indian government employment.



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Your question is valid and makes sense as many have the same in their mind about OCI cards and U stamps.

BUT, Govt. of India made such a rule for OCI when they designed the program and it has been there since the OCI was born. So we can not do anything about.

Because OCI has enough rights as citizens, so they want to make sure noone misuses it. May be down the road, rules are changed.

But what happened in the given case is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT and no one can blame the indian officials.

We should appreciate them for giving 1 week visa instead of issuing a "Expedited Removal" or "Forcing to withdraw the application" order.
I am not asking you to answer that question. Everyone who has OCI card knows that because it is written on that.
I was asking if there is any valid reson. Someone told me that the reason is that you can forge that document very easily.
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http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1139.html

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Dual Nationality: In 2006, India launched the "Overseas Citizens of India" (OCI) program, which has often been mischaracterized as a dual nationality program, as it does not grant Indian citizenship. Thus, an American who obtains an OCI card is not a citizen of India and remains a citizen of the United States. An OCI card in reality is similar to a U.S. "green card" in that a holder can travel to and from India indefinitely, work in India, study in India, and own property in India (except for certain agricultural and plantation properties). An OCI holder, however, does not receive an Indian passport, cannot vote in Indian elections and is not eligible for Indian government employment.


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You are not reading what I am writing. Just harping anything without thinking or drunk.
I know that is the law . We all follow that
Green card holder can enter without any other country's passport with just GC in the hand, For India you need multiple documents even though you have OCI card with you. I was talking about this irony. I am not claiming Indian citizenship nor I am saying you do not need both U visa stamp and OCI card. All I was saying It does not make sense.


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Foreign nationals that are lawful permanent residents of the U.S. must present a Permanent Resident Card ("Green Card", INS Form I-551), a Reentry Permit (if gone for more than 1 year), or a Returning Resident Visa (if gone for 2 years or more) to reenter the United States. U.S. LPRs are not required by the U.S. to have a passport for travel within the Western Hemisphere, although most foreign destinations will require you to have one to enter their country.
https://help.cbp.gov/cgi-bin/customs...hp?p_faqid=572

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Well..

Paranoid Babudom at MEA (Ministry of External Affairs) has made its mark here to carry OCI + U visa. There is nothing wrong as a foreign national and an OCI holder to give valid feedback to the Overseas Indian Affairs (OIA) Ministry and MEA. If it is inconvenient to carry both docs then that should be relayed back to the authorities. The OIA was created to facilitate better travel and business among other facets with sensible policies. If that did not happen, then they should better hear from the "customer".

Obviously officials had security concerns when they drafted this rule, but unless they hear a lot from troubled stakeholders, they might not even think of making the document more secure, or whatever it takes to resolve the two document issue.

Nevertheless, as others pointed out, when it is a rule, then it is a rule...at least he should have made himself aware before boarding. No sympathies there.

That said, many points in the article are reasonable ones (inconsistent retro websites, unprofessionalism etc.)

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i don't believe anyone is arguing that what the airport immigration authorities did was against the law, i think they acted within the present law and guidelines which state a u visa is required along with an oci.

what i fail to understand is why is the law framed in such a way that 2 documents (oci doc and u visa stamp) are required. if the oci document is not secure enough, why can't the u visa serve as an oci as well? that way, the applicant needs to get a new u stamp when his passport expires. maybe they can frame it like green card renewal rules. i.e. the plastic green card may expire, but your perm resident status doesn't. plus forcing a gc holder to renew his plastic gc every 10 years gives the govt a chance to redo a background check.
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