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Old 01-22-2013, 02:22 PM
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This will have very small impact so I don't think administration will put effort to block this. Whereas STEM bill takes away visas from diversity queue so they could take a clear stance.

IV has the ability to make this happen. If this happens IV will have more supporters (Current generation of GC applicants). Imagine I go home and tell my family I am donating money to an organization which doesn't care about you vs an organization who fought for your EAD.
What makes you think IV is not working for it. As a donor member I can say that. They have given us updates in the past many months before it showed up on forums as a news.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:39 PM
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What makes you think IV is not working for it. As a donor member I can say that. They have given us updates in the past many months before it showed up on forums as a news.
Good to know.
Honestly I stopped contributing from last month because I don't have any insight on what IV is doing.
It could post updates on non controversial things to keep up hopes for all of us or give donor forum access for people with recurring contributions.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:27 PM
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Good to know.
Honestly I stopped contributing from last month because I don't have any insight on what IV is doing.
It could post updates on non controversial things to keep up hopes for all of us or give donor forum access for people with recurring contributions.
I don't have access to donor forum either. But I will not say that giving work permit to H4 is not controversial. Anyone who wants a specific provision to take them to the next level believes that their provision is non-controversial/low hanging fruit/easiest to do/can pass in a day etc. Nothing has happened for very long time. It just is an indicator how difficult it is to get anything done. Anything related to immigration is as controversial as anything else in immigration space.
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:24 PM
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I am amused at the manner people are fighting on this forum. Being a newbie I was expecting some same discussion and updates, and some note on effort required to move ahead. Do this site even sport an admin?
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:26 PM
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I meant *sane not same.
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:44 PM
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I saw the message, as well was about to startup a donation. But being new and suspicous shot a mail to site admin, to get an update on how active this group is and get some direction, I got no reply.
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I saw the message, as well was about to startup a donation. But being new and suspicous shot a mail to site admin, to get an update on how active this group is and get some direction, I got no reply.
No problem with activity, dude.. as you can see, there are many discussions that are current. I suggest you hang around a few months, ignore the crap discussions, and read the meaningful ones by Pappu and IV core, then decide what to do once it is clear to you if IV concerns are the same ones as yours ..
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http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/fo...ml#post3535955 (Two more holds on hr3012)

Here an admin is talking about action items, but this is a way old thread back from July last year, after which I see the mails about the rally/event.

But dont see anything for the last two months from December when I joined this group.
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http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/fo...ml#post3535955 (Two more holds on hr3012)

Here an admin is talking about action items, but this is a way old thread back from July last year, after which I see the mails about the rally/event.

But dont see anything for the last two months from December when I joined this group.
There maybe many posts by pappu after that. You did not see any action item because it was not publicly available. But I know being a donor member that there were many meetings in the last 2 months and some updates were given. You need to stick around and see the next public action item.

You need to reach out to IV if you want to be active. Contact info is on ImmigrationVoice.org - Contact Us
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Why is this EAD to H4 become such an important thing right now ? Is the bill atleast giving EAD to dependents whose spouse has a pending GC application or they get an EAD as soon as they land in the country.

If a spouse want to work, they should apply for H1 as the quota is available for longer times now than in the past. Remember EAD is more flexible than H1 because of the flexibility in terms of stamping etc. What is stopping them to apply for H1 ?

I totally understand the frustration about the spouses. If there is an option already available in the current process, we should leverage that and not try to push for new laws to make things easy for us.

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Good to know.
Honestly I stopped contributing from last month because I don't have any insight on what IV is doing.
It could post updates on non controversial things to keep up hopes for all of us or give donor forum access for people with recurring contributions.
Every small to big immigration relief is controversial. It is incorrect of us to claim something is an easy fix. Even if some of us think it is non controversial, does not mean it is. Have we reached out to other pro and anti groups and asked them their opinion? Are we sure that by pushing for a fix will not rattle other special interests and they will not ask for their fixes.... And it will destroy everything and we will be back to dealing it in CIR whenever it happens? And who should be doing all this work? IV core that is a handful of folks with full time jobs and families. So it is irritating that people expect us to travel every week to DC and other states, take time off from work for meetings, go on conference calls all the time on weekdays and weekends, sacrifice family time and there are people who cannot even contribute a petty amount of $25 and appreciate the hard work. And when they do not see a post with an update, they threaten to cancel their petty amount subscription. And should we stop our advocacy work and work on who is subscribing, canceling each day. If we had a full fledged staff and office we could have done that. For now we had only people who showed long term commitment and had a history be in donor group. We will soon add new people but only those who have been a Long term contributors. It is a waste of time to give access to people who contribute for a month and then do not. IV core and volunteers have spent thousands of our own on travel, stay, car rentals, food etc on IV work. Not to mention exhausting vacation time and spending weekends on IV work.

A lot of awareness is needed. The thousands of ignorant people signing online petitions is an indicator how much learning curve we have if we want to be successful. When we started this effort, we got a meeting with the highest office and we in the team thought that after this meeting all our issues will be solved once we give our ask list and tell about the problem. Then we can happily close the website and spend our time advancing our careers or get another degree etc. But it has been 7 years since then and thousands of meetings of IV members later we only have few fixes done till now. So you see it is a slow process. It will continue to be a slow process. HR3012 kind of bill was first introduced by our efforts in 2008 in the house by Rep Zoe Lofgren. This was no small effort and was couple of years of work to reach there. It was never voted. But it was a good start. We continued to work hard and in 2011 it was not only introduced as HR3012 but also voted and passed the house. It took us a Long time to get here after 2008. And the entire 2012 was spent focussing on Senate and reaching out to each office for their support. This is not an easy task. We made very good progress in 2012. So if someone says bill is dead or if IV is not accepting defeat etc kind of sentences, it shows how ignorant they are of the process and they really need to educate themselves first. We deal with so many such fools on the forums and when I read such posts I really wonder if people for whom I am spending my precious time really deserve the hardwork and fruits of labor of the handful?

The only way any fix can be a fast track process of fixes is either we do a large scale advocacy effort with lot of resources and full time staff in DC and/ or we also do street marches of tens of thousands every few months like the work done by undocumented. Then surely we can expect something like an executive order, quick admin fix or a smooth passage of bill. How many of you reading this post showed up in San Jose last year? Before we ask for update or action item we should each ask this question. How many of us desperately seeking H4 rule have volunteered their time to IV especially since H4s have more time than H1s leading this effort with their full time jobs? How many of us have an ongoing recurring contribution right now?

But on the contrary all we see on forums are people fighting for petty issues. EB3 saying EB2 are fraud.EB2 saying EB1 are fraud . Eb1 saying both EB2 and 3 are trash and they are the real genious. Or fights between countries, people from states and what not. But rarely people are willing to work together, sacrifice their time and resources.
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