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Default CNBC - Sen. Graham says very unlikely anything on immigration & education

i was watching cnbc this evening around 4'ish pst & they announced that sen. graham said that after healthcare its very unlikely anything on immigration & education.

what does this mean? is it no cir.... or does it mean nothing at all on immigration bill...... did anybody else see that segment....
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Sen. Graham: ‘Immigration Will Be First Casualty of Health Bill’ - Washington Wire - WSJ
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I think the Obama admin did a smart thing by not allowing illegal immigrants to get health insurance.
Having 20 millions uninsured will be the opening for topic. It will be the push that introduce the immigration bill post Nov election. I hope this is the plan. Otherwise it will be really sad not to be able to medically treat people based on immigration status.
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i was watching cnbc this evening around 4'ish pst & they announced that sen. graham said that after healthcare its very unlikely anything on immigration & education.

what does this mean? is it no cir.... or does it mean nothing at all on immigration bill...... did anybody else see that segment....
It means Sen. Graham is not able to decide on what to do.. Lean to the left / right or take the middle road or concentrate more on the up coming election year to see, if he can get some more people on his side

When did any Senator / Congressman have told, they will most likely do something for Health care, Immigration, etc... while in office, they do say a bunch for or against while running for office or for re-election, depends on the place /state you are from. In the end, when it comes to actual business, the group with bigger lobbying strength gets the most out of any bill that is created for any issue. Either you need to lobby hard and get things, which is a very slow process or it must be a topic of interest for a vast majority and folks who works for or against it, must see some instant huge credits to their vote banks to fight for it.

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I think the Obama admin did a smart thing by not allowing illegal immigrants to get health insurance.
Having 20 millions uninsured will be the opening for topic. It will be the push that introduce the immigration bill post Nov election. I hope this is the plan. Otherwise it will be really sad not to be able to medically treat people based on immigration status.
so u think that the plan is to take it after nov elections....
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so u think that the plan is to take it after nov elections....
If democrats take Immigration up seriously after the elections then that would be a smart move that is likely to be supported in a somewhat bipartisan manner. But the dynamics will depend on the election outcome ofcourse. If democrats loose to many seats then this bill is kaput.
Democrats may be tempted to make the first, half hearted swag at immigration, before the elections, just to make the republicans look bad and show that they "tried" to fulfill their promise. Having this outcome(failure) would mean that "anti-illegal" folks won't be too much estranged, while the latino vote will be secured in hopes for a future push.
My guess is financial regulation bill will be used to negotiate the immigration bill. Dems will pass a rigid bill before Nov. that will be viewed as over regulatative by wall street and banks. But, this will have support from main street. Republicans ofcourse will kick and curse all the way, so Dems will be viewed as heroes in the Nov elections. Post Nov, financial regulation bill might be softened up in exchage for immigration bill support from republicans. There is no way Dems will risk passing that bill without bi-partisan support. That will be the end of the Dem party. They are smart they will not do it.
Either way nothing happening before Nov IMO.
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Govt. is dumping the Citi common shares (I presume all of it). I think this is preparing decks for the financial regulation. This is what got me thinking that the regulations will be stringent.

Side note not related to immigration:
After the financial regulations passes who knows Citi may not be considered too big to fail specially with the Govt gurantee off. At least there is a good chance that it will be broken up. So before you invest in C do your homework. Trading is fine, C is going to go North of 5 bucks temporarily. Just that you have to figure out when exactly to fold.
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If democrats take Immigration up seriously after the elections.........IMO.
Valid points, It is unfortunate that both the republicans and the democrats are calling shots based on the forthcoming elections. Before CIR can be brought up, the noise on health care should significantly subside & the financial regulations have to be cleared; Health Care took more than a year on deliberations before the actual voting process.
In all probability, CIR might not happen this year. Is this uncertainity good for the legal immigrant population? i personally don't think so. USCIS might not take a chance and repeat the July-07 anticipating additional workload due to CIR .
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Not so good news on immigration reform happening this year

Despite Obama's vow, immigration overhaul unlikely this year - Politics - SanLuisObispo.com

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i was watching cnbc this evening around 4'ish pst & they announced that sen. graham said that after healthcare its very unlikely anything on immigration & education.

what does this mean? is it no cir.... or does it mean nothing at all on immigration bill...... did anybody else see that segment....
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Actually Immigration bill needs atleast 6 months to pass in Senate and congress after bill is drafted. But there is no draft yet and there is no framework or policy. For example they need to decide first whether they are going for Guest workers or not. And no clue about policy for High skilled. Also they are struggling to convince even some Pro CIR Labor groups Like AFL CIO. Basically they are struggling to satisfy even pro immigrants groups. In this stage Obama could try to bring the bill but after that he has no control over that
Regarding politics Latinos may not vote Democrats. This argument will not work because if they do that Democrats will lose majority and there is no chance of CIR. It is best bet for Latinos to elect democrats than republicans. Only one window is 2011 because no election and chances are very less on 2012 as President election comes

This article gives the hint of what may happen
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...bate-aftermath

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CIR if it happens brings in millions of app's. We will be submerged in them .even if we get EAD
and then god knows when we wll get GC. Without CIR and with spill over we always have a chance , if not in near future
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Sen. Graham: Immigration reform 'dead' in health debate aftermath - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
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Default I don't think Latinos will allow any piecemeal..

So basically we will not get any relief until 2011 summer . I never seen immigration issue debated in winter... people get activated in summer and always run out of time.

same will happen for 2010.. CHC will try everything to block any piecemeal for legal immigrants. We are puppet in this business. When CIR will come to debate they will use us to show american people that CIR is all about legal immigrants and it has small part for illegals. and that is amnesty.
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So basically we will not get any relief until 2011 summer . I never seen immigration issue debated in winter... people get activated in summer and always run out of time.

same will happen for 2010.. CHC will try everything to block any piecemeal for legal immigrants. We are puppet in this business. When CIR will come to debate they will use us to show american people that CIR is all about legal immigrants and it has small part for illegals. and that is amnesty.
You have got it right. Legals are actually pawns in this whole game.
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Default the more they wait the lesser the immigration problem becomes

I feel the thinking in congress is that unlike healthcare or financial issues, immigration is an issue that they can wait. And the more they wait the lesser the problem becomes. In the last year or so, the count of illegals has come down by around 10%. The same is true for employement based immigration. The number of people waiting in the line for employment based GC has come down.

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So basically we will not get any relief until 2011 summer . I never seen immigration issue debated in winter... people get activated in summer and always run out of time.

same will happen for 2010.. CHC will try everything to block any piecemeal for legal immigrants. We are puppet in this business. When CIR will come to debate they will use us to show american people that CIR is all about legal immigrants and it has small part for illegals. and that is amnesty.
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