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Old 07-25-2006, 04:38 PM
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Default This will not work

I know a family who immigrated illegally from Peru back in late 70s. When ammnesty was offered in 80s some members of family did not become legal under the fear they will be deported and probably are still living in this country illegally.
Here they are talking about self deportation. Nice........
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Default Text Version of the Plan

http://mikepence.house.gov/News/Docu...cumentID=47657
-Rao.
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Old 07-25-2006, 05:24 PM
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Default This should be merged with SKIL bill

If this compromise becomes acceptable to a majority in both houses, I believe this should, and will, get merged with the SKIL bill in a conference committee. Either way, we should probably expect to see the benefits of SKIL by Oct 2007.

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Old 07-25-2006, 05:27 PM
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Default SKIL bill -- May not make it

I don't think SKIL bill make it.
No action on it still date.
So let us not build hopes around.
-Rao.
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Default Only head of house hold

Again they are talking about only head of house hold to return and come back leaving his entire family here in US. THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK. Though looks like lawmakers are giving some false assurances, no one will be dared to leave their family here and get stuck outside with unpredictable VISA rules and norms which changes by itself from now and then.

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Originally Posted by eb3_nepa
Logiclif has summarised this quite effectively. NO immigrant is going to go back and come back legally, unless you give him MAJOR and i mean MAJOR incentiveSSS to do so (yes just one incentive wont do). So unless they are planning on saying something like, "IMMEDIATE Green cards for those who do this, with NO tax for the next 5 years", I dont think any un-documented immigrant would be stupid enough to take the necessary steps. Think about it, you are getting to stay and work here without having to pay ANY taxes, plus no documentation means you can never be easily located. Why would you relinquish your position of strength?
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Default Leave as it is

yes, they have to admit it now or later. Also they have to secure the border and secure the border and secure the border. Why talk about illegals when the business and the illegals are OK with what they have now? It is like blind man (lawmakers/politicians) kicking a sleeping tiger(illegals). In the process the beautiful & calmfully mazing deer(legals) are running for cover, moving in opposite direction without knowing where it will end up. May be in home country.

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Why can they just admit that they have made a mistake by not having secured their borders all these years. It is so obvious that the only solution is to secure their borders and legalise all illegals.

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Honestly the way this whole bill is conceptualized,, its been the most casual and impractical among all the bills to date... my guess some lobby firm for a future potential "ELLIS ISLAND CENTER" agency got this idea floated…the only bill which I think, is practical is the Kennedy McCain bill… add tighter border security to it…and you have a very practical solution and compromise..
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This is precisely what the republicans want. Make an unrealistic proposal and blame the democrats for not going along with it. I hope that there is bi-partisan rejection of this proposal.
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Default One word to discribe this plan

Funny.....17 years of waiting for just applying for US citizenship...So then by the time one gets it, it will be another 15 years.......Seems like its more precious than ones lifetime?.....what a moronic plan!
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Funny.....17 years of waiting for just applying for US citizenship...So then by the time one gets it, it will be another 15 years.......Seems like its more precious than ones lifetime?.....what a moronic plan!
Maybe the application is "portable" across generations just like job portability with 485 pending
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I don't think SKIL bill make it.
No action on it still date.
So let us not build hopes around.
-Rao.
As I've posted before, and as the very helpful and quite knowledgable immigration lawyer of my company told me in private email, the SKIL bill seems to be part of the gaming towards a conference committee.

You're right to not hope that the SKIL bill will be passed separately from other immigration bills. My understanding is that passing it on its own was not the motivation for introducing the bill. The real motivation for the SKIL bill is to be ready for a conference committee so that the SKIL bill can be attached to whatever compromise is worked out on the illegal immigration issue.

Following on this thought, I would expect zero action on the SKIL bill by itself. And, speculating on this thought, I don't think the bill would've been introduced at all were House Republicans really pessimistic about the chances of some form of Comprehensive Immigration Legislation (whether or not it is similar to CIR that passed the Senate) passing the House, so that gives me hope.
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Default Triple whammy

If this thing passes as they would like it then it would be very bad for EB India.

Firstly if any form of CIR passes then there will be no skil bil and nothing else for the near future for immigration.

Secondly there will be a 2 yr hiatus when nothing will happen. No pro immigrant provisions will be enacted ie current rules status quo. So no improvement in the situation for EB India for 2 yrs guaranteed. Anti immigrant folks will see to it.

Thirdly if and when the border is certified sealed, and believe me they will heavily lobby against this also and almost certainly delay it, then will begin a huge Tsunami of application which will fully occupy the USCIS for years to come thus slowing down any favourable EB provisions at all.

I see this as a very dark development. I hope it folds completely. I see that if it crashes, then perhaps after the elections this fall there may be a push by corporate america for increasing the H1b cap, push for more numbers for Schedule A workers for whom numbers will lapse by then and perhaps a limited form of EB expasion for some of the SKIL bill provisions.

Of course this is all a lot of speculation, but I am not liking what I am seeing in this compromise.
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I disagree. I think the pressure from business is so great that:

1. If CIR passes in the House, it will include the SKIL bill, or something close, with a 100% certainty; and

2. The 2 yr hiatus will not apply to SKIL bill provisions, only to the SAFE visa and "Ellis Island Centers" plan.

I do agree with your 3rd point. I believe USCIS is understaffed right now, and unless staffing is increased substantially, backlogs will increase due to processing, but not due to quotas.

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If this thing passes as they would like it then it would be very bad for EB India.

Firstly if any form of CIR passes then there will be no skil bil and nothing else for the near future for immigration.

Secondly there will be a 2 yr hiatus when nothing will happen. No pro immigrant provisions will be enacted ie current rules status quo. So no improvement in the situation for EB India for 2 yrs guaranteed. Anti immigrant folks will see to it.

Thirdly if and when the border is certified sealed, and believe me they will heavily lobby against this also and almost certainly delay it, then will begin a huge Tsunami of application which will fully occupy the USCIS for years to come thus slowing down any favourable EB provisions at all.

I see this as a very dark development. I hope it folds completely. I see that if it crashes, then perhaps after the elections this fall there may be a push by corporate america for increasing the H1b cap, push for more numbers for Schedule A workers for whom numbers will lapse by then and perhaps a limited form of EB expasion for some of the SKIL bill provisions.

Of course this is all a lot of speculation, but I am not liking what I am seeing in this compromise.
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Default Don't be overly pessimistic....!

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If this thing passes as they would like it then it would be very bad for EB India.

Firstly if any form of CIR passes then there will be no skil bil and nothing else for the near future for immigration.

Secondly there will be a 2 yr hiatus when nothing will happen. No pro immigrant provisions will be enacted ie current rules status quo. So no improvement in the situation for EB India for 2 yrs guaranteed. Anti immigrant folks will see to it.

Thirdly if and when the border is certified sealed, and believe me they will heavily lobby against this also and almost certainly delay it, then will begin a huge Tsunami of application which will fully occupy the USCIS for years to come thus slowing down any favourable EB provisions at all.

I see this as a very dark development. I hope it folds completely. I see that if it crashes, then perhaps after the elections this fall there may be a push by corporate america for increasing the H1b cap, push for more numbers for Schedule A workers for whom numbers will lapse by then and perhaps a limited form of EB expasion for some of the SKIL bill provisions.

Of course this is all a lot of speculation, but I am not liking what I am seeing in this compromise.
SKILL bill is likely to be folded in to CIR.
Its good not be overly pessimistic but too much pessimism leads us nowhere!!!

You guys don't forget Pence is one of cosponsors of SKILL!!!!


H.R.5744
Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to increase competitiveness in the United States, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Shadegg, John B. [AZ-3] (introduced 6/29/2006) Cosponsors (11)
Related Bills: S.2691
Latest Major Action: 6/29/2006 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
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COSPONSORS(11), BY DATE [order is left to right]: (Sort: alphabetical order)
Rep Hoekstra, Peter [MI-2] - 6/29/2006 Rep Tiahrt, Todd [KS-4] - 6/29/2006
Rep McCaul, Michael T. [TX-10] - 6/29/2006 Rep Shimkus, John [IL-19] - 6/29/2006
Rep Pence, Mike [IN-6] - 6/29/2006 Rep Doolittle, John T. [CA-4] - 6/29/2006
Rep Flake, Jeff [AZ-6] - 6/29/2006 Rep Campbell, John [CA-48] - 6/29/2006
Rep Conaway, K. Michael [TX-11] - 6/29/2006 Rep Souder, Mark E. [IN-3] - 7/11/2006
Rep Cantor, Eric [VA-7] - 7/19/2006
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Default Just sent this to Rep Pence

Probably will go down the drain of unanswered questions, but one can hope ...

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I'm not a constituent of the Congressman, neither a US citizen. I'm hoping I can still get a response to my question.

I support the Congressman's plan on illegal immigration that was released today. It is just and fair. I also know the Congressman is a co-sponsor of Rep Shadegg's SKIL bill, which will help people in my situation immensely. I thank the Congressman for both those positions, and hope both of these can pass the House, and be reconciled with the Senate bill, speedily.

I am a highly qualified (MS, PhD, 4+ years of experience) IT worker, and I work for one of the most entrepreneurial companies in the US on an H-1B visa. My Green Card process is ongoing. However, with current backlogs, I might have to wait 5-10 years for it, even with my high qualifications and very strong resume. The situation is depressing for my wife and I. While I wait for my Green Card, my wife, who worked in Canada before we got married, has to sit at home, stalling her career. We are seriously contemplating moving to Canada/India if no progress is seen in Green Card backlogs.

My question is: if and when the SKIL bill is passed, will the Congressman apply the two-year border certification requirement to the provisions of SKIL as well, or will those be applicable immediately in the Congressman's vision?

I would really appreciate a reply.

Thanking the Congressman for his positions on this issue and his work in the House again,

Sincerely,
Pankaj Kakkar

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